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[Q] Flashing Stock FW, KNOX?

hi
my note 3 has a t-mobile branding ...
What happens if I flash a stock Rom? for example an open Germany.
Just asking because of Knox Counter :/

XtremeAt said:
hi
my note 3 has a t-mobile branding ...
What happens if I flash a stock Rom? for example an open Germany.
Just asking because of Knox Counter :/
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Id like to know this, I get good deal from network, but have always debranded handset before flashing BTU firmware.
Curious about the knox counter also in this situtation.

I'm not sure either but i think official firmwares should be safe to flash.
It's modded or unsigned kernels/bootloaders that will cause the KNOX flag to trigger.

On the S4 flashing stock fw triggers off the knox counter...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45669402&postcount=4

But he repacked the FW with an older Kernel. Maybe that was the Problem.
I hope someone would test this

Knox will increase when flashing.
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Does someone even use Knox? I prefere root over Knox!

I have a question about Knox...
I don't care if I trip the Knox counter to 0x1 because when I root I know I void my warranty.
My question is once rooted and the Knox counter is at 0x1 is there a way to get the phone in a state where it will receive OTA updates.

danieljamie said:
Knox will increase when flashing.
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It doesn't increase, it is 0x0 or 0x1, on or off

[Q] Google Édition Rom on knox'ed S4

Hi all,
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I have got a Galaxy S4 GT-I9505 running MI8, so I have a knox enabled bootloader. (counter is 0 right know so waranty is ok)
I'm fed up with TW so I would like to try a pure google edition rom (the one proposed by Jamal) but I was wondering whether it is possible as my device has knox already.
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Assuming I dont mind triping the efuse to 1, is it feasible ?

anyone ?

philuxe said:
Hi all,
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I have got a Galaxy S4 GT-I9505 running MI8, so I have a knox enabled bootloader. (counter is 0 right know so waranty is ok)
I'm fed up with TW so I would like to try a pure google edition rom (the one proposed by Jamal) but I was wondering whether it is possible as my device has knox already.
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Assuming I dont mind triping the efuse to 1, is it feasible ?
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To put any custom Rom you need custom recovery and this leads to Knox things

yeah I understand I will void the warranty but will that work ?

philuxe said:
yeah I understand I will void the warranty but will that work ?
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I use my custom ROMs MGA and GE like others here on my last MJ5 Why not become ?

armonten might
I thought you can not not flash a MGA ROM once the bootloader has knox

So I can install any custom rom even if I have a knox bootloader?
In the knox thread they state once your bootloader has knox you can't downgrade or install what you want.
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You can flash any custom rom that you want. You can only not flash certain stock firmwares. So yes, it will work.

replying to myself, it works !

thanks everyone, and thanks to dev's for their wonderful work

Question about knox/OTA

Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...

ozzalbatrozz said:
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
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yes in short you can

For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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cpgeek said:
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:

jaythenut said:
yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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cpgeek said:
Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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The argument is, We own the device therefore swapping out software shouldn't affect any hardware issues. Samsung don't have the best quality control and things are faulty sometimes.. why should you be penalized if your volume button breaks or screen breaks due to fault, and they won't fix it because you rooted to add a nice clean theme to your device?
Then there is the underlying security issue surrounding KNOX.. is it a spy tool? is it not? who knows?
- Best answer I could give you there lol -

Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings

shinchillahh said:
Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
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it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?

vndnguyen said:
it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
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Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???

shinchillahh said:
Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
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you can anyway update OTA while keeping root.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519103

Thank u sooo much!

Just purchased an s4... coming from an S2

Hi All
Just placed an order for a S4 with Mobile company EE to replace my S2 with the Custom Neat ROM. Feeling excited.
My S2 has served me well but time now to let go..
Quick question I had was what model is supplied for the UK Networks as I want to start looking at Rooting and ROMS for it.
Any advice would be great!.
Thanks

ranjb said:
Hi All
Just placed an order for a S4 with Mobile company EE to replace my S2 with the Custom Neat ROM. Feeling excited.
My S2 has served me well but time now to let go..
Quick question I had was what model is supplied for the UK Networks as I want to start looking at Rooting and ROMS for it.
Any advice would be great!.
Thanks
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It will be the I9505 model. Once you get it check if you're on old or new bootloader, before updating or rooting. You can boot into download mode (switch off, then hold volume down and switch on) and look for line with 'knox 0x0'. If you don't have it you will be Knox free and you can stay on it (as long as you dont update officially) and not worry about voiding Knox warranty. See the below post for more details on firmware and the Knox bootloader/software.
http://androidforums.com/international-galaxy-s4-all-things-root/765477-knox-security-locked-bootloader-new-firmwares.html

Thanks for the reply
So let me get this straight theres 2 different bootloaders for this model? Will this prevent me from rooting or installing a ROM if I'm on a newer bootloader?
gsmyth said:
It will be the I9505 model. Once you get it check if you're on old or new bootloader, before updating or rooting. You can boot into download mode (switch off, then hold volume down and switch on) and look for line with 'knox 0x0'. If you don't have it you will be Knox free and you can stay on it (as long as you dont update officially) and not worry about voiding Knox warranty. See the below post for more details on firmware and the Knox bootloader/software.
http://androidforums.com/international-galaxy-s4-all-things-root/765477-knox-security-locked-bootloader-new-firmwares.html
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ranjb said:
Thanks for the reply
So let me get this straight theres 2 different bootloaders for this model? Will this prevent me from rooting or installing a ROM if I'm on a newer bootloader?
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Below is some Q&A's on Knox which are worth reading up on before your S4 arrives. You can still root and install ROMs on the newer bootloader, but it will trip the Knox counter, which is currently irreversible. Worth thinking about before you do anything.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470635
Pre-rooted stock ROM thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2250824

Hi
Got the phone today and when I boot into download mode it does show KNOX Kernel Lock as 0x0 and KNOX warranty avoid as 0x0. So this basically means if I ROM it it will break the KNOX?
Thanks

ranjb said:
Hi
Got the phone today and when I boot into download mode it does show KNOX Kernel Lock as 0x0 and KNOX warranty avoid as 0x0. So this basically means if I ROM it it will break the KNOX?
Thanks
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Yup if you flash any custom rom/root/ etc , This mean the knox will be triggered to 0x1 and your warranty will be void. Unless ur country is part of EU.
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has there been any known way of not tripping this if you root?

[Q] What Shall I Do About KNOX?

Hi
My s5 currently is rooted and KNOX is 0x0. I want to flash something more exciting to it but what can I do about KNOX? Can I Remove It Before it is tripped or does it happen no matter what?

Hi - Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but could you share how you managed to root your phone without tripping Knox? All guides / info I have read says Knox will be 0x1 after root and as such I cannot / have not rooted.
Thanks

you cannot remove KNOX.
If you flash anything - KNOX goes to 0x1 making you void your warranty

dieselboy said:
Hi - Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but could you share how you managed to root your phone without tripping Knox? All guides / info I have read says Knox will be 0x1 after root and as such I cannot / have not rooted.
Thanks
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Visit this thread https://towelroot.com/ on your phone and click the lambda and follow instructions. KNOX will stay on 0x0.

Thanks !
It seems within the last 2 weeks after almost everyone saying "rooting will trip Knox and don't count on anything different any time soon" that rooting now does not trip Knox
Very pleased, I am.
And thanks for the link. Seems not everyone knows about this yet.

KNOX
Understood. But is the warranty that important?

Sure using towelroot to root your device won't trip knox but once you flash a custom recovery so you can use custom roms, kernels etc it will

What happens after you disable KNOX from SuperSU?
I thought that you could do anything you want and KNOX will be 0x0 since it's "disabled".

forsberg78 said:
What happens after you disable KNOX from SuperSU?
I thought that you could do anything you want and KNOX will be 0x0 since it's "disabled".
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Iirc Knox is implemented in the boot loader which can't be hacked, so Knox will always be there
If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor

DSA said:
Iirc Knox is implemented in the boot loader which can't be hacked, so Knox will always be there
If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor
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Quote: `If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor`.
Can you explain this a bit more please, or do you mean warranty wise

gee2012 said:
Quote: `If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor`.
Can you explain this a bit more please, or do you mean warranty wise
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Yeah. I Would like this explained. If KNOX isnt a factor in Europe Then Thats A Plus For Me.

Wildey1771 said:
Yeah. I Would like this explained. If KNOX isnt a factor in Europe Then Thats A Plus For Me.
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They are referring to some regula by EU Laws, which indirectly tells that manufacture cannot deny warranty because of rooting.
At same time, organization in my country responsible about these kind of claims says, they agree on Samsungs warranty paper, which says we are not allowed to root. So If I would want justice in my country, it can be done only by court!
So dont count on EU law helping... may work and may not.

gee2012 said:
Quote: `If you live in Europe, Knox isn't a factor`.
Can you explain this a bit more please, or do you mean warranty wise
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Warranty...there are laws here that supercede it, but the above post is basically true (although two people I know who had rooted and used the warranty didn't have to go to court)

txr33 said:
Sure using towelroot to root your device won't trip knox but once you flash a custom recovery so you can use custom roms, kernels etc it will
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Understood.
However in my case all I want to do right now is disable the silly camera shutter sound.

Alright, So Im From The UK. I Want To Get Rid Of Silly Touchwiz which Samsung loves to use. To do so I know I need to flash a different ROM. Doing this will flag KNOX. KNOX being flagged will void warranty. Should I Care About Warranty? Or Should I Flash Away?

Wildey1771 said:
Alright, So Im From The UK. I Want To Get Rid Of Silly Touchwiz which Samsung loves to use. To do so I know I need to flash a different ROM. Doing this will flag KNOX. KNOX being flagged will void warranty. Should I Care About Warranty? Or Should I Flash Away?
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Not necessarily.. Have you heard of "Themer"? I was running themer on my completely stock Note3. You have a wide selection of touchwiz replacements. Take a looksie.

Knox will be tripped if you load a custom recovery or kernel.
Apart from resale reasons, why is everyone so worried about going 0x1?
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Inm8 said:
Knox will be tripped if you load a custom recovery or kernel.
Apart from resale reasons, why is everyone so worried about going 0x1?
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Perhaps because it may void people's phone warranty.

born4trance said:
Perhaps because it may void people's phone warranty.
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True, didn't think about how many people actually used that.
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Inm8 said:
True, didn't think about how many people actually used that.
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Hopefully not many. You'd expect Samsungs warranty return % to be very low. I wonder if there are published figures, but I would hope <0.1% of customers. However, after a few months of using your device you would know if you need to warranty the phone or not. Then I guess you wouldn't mind going 0x1.