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Vanilla (stock) ICS vs. Sense 4.0 + ICS

In my recent mental debate over the EVO 4G LTE vs. the Nexus, I've pondered the differences between stock ICS (pure/vanilla/etc) and the ICS we will see on the One series by HTC, including our very own EVO sequel. From the few screenshots I've seen of the One X, it does not remotely resemble the ICS I've learned to know and love with the work our devs our doing to bring the latest and greatest to the OG. Examples include the lockscreen (the Sense ring appears to still be the default one - is there an option to go straight ICS for the lockscreen?), the dock (I'm sure I can switch the launcher to fix this issue...), the notifications pulldown (I've actually not seen the Sense one yet, but I've heard various things indicating it is different from the one I'm no accustomed to), etc. Heck, even the color of the battery meter is green instead of blue!
Does anyone know or at least have an idea if we can change some of those things without rooting our devices? Having a brand new device, I don't plan on needing to root (or at least install custom ROMs, that is) for a while. But I am already missing the slick new interface Google has provided. While many claim that Sense 4.0 is going for the minimalistic approach to the latest iteration of their infamous skin, why do I feel like they have completely altered a widely praised operating system that has barely rolled out? I'm a little saddened when I see the video of the EVO 4G LTE and feel like the look of everything is dated.
But then I look at the hardware, think about the devs who'll inevitably move to this phone, and that excites me about the possibilities. I guess I'm more curious than disappointed, but I was wondering others' feelings on this topic.

Long answer short, you'll get aosp, miui and sense on the HTC which is nice if you get bored and want something different.
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alaman68 said:
Long answer short, you'll get aosp, miui and sense on the HTC which is nice if you get bored and want something different.
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Can you make your short answer slightly longer? Haha how would I get AOSP and MIUI on the EVO LTE? You mean one devs get to work on it? Or stock?
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PsiPhiDan said:
Can you make your short answer slightly longer? Haha how would I get AOSP and MIUI on the EVO LTE? You mean one devs get to work on it? Or stock?
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Right. Not stock, would have to be rooted. My bad. The devs will be all over that phone anyway so it will be a blast
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It's a *good* thing the phone comes with Sense, its one more option you have, and Sense does add some useful features. Custom rom's will offer all kinds of options including optimized and bloatware free versions of Sense.

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Right. Not stock, would have to be rooted. My bad. The devs will be all over that phone anyway so it will be a blast
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Completely agree. I'm kind of thinking of galaxy nexus, cuz I'm not fond of sense. But, I'm sure in no time we'll be able to rip sense OFF that SOB and put AOKP or some other variant of vanilla ICS.
Then, if you wanna run sense for a few days, that option will still be there. It's win-win.
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If I'm running Sense 4.0, do you think I'll still be able to get the Quad ICS unlock screen, or something like that? I LOVE that lockscreen - way better than the silly ring that Sense creates. I don't understand why they didn't change that from 3.0 and 3.5 to something fresh. Oh, I would assume I have the "unlock with face" option too on this phone? It's been so long since I ran Sense, I forgot if these things are changeable or not!
My only concern with the custom ROMs is whether things will run okay, like camera and such. Also, if you are running AOSP, you'll miss out on the supposedly amazing camera suite that Sense 4.0 provides, right?
Tough choice!!!

Sense 4.0 + ICS ALL DAY!
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I went to tmobile today and toyed with the one s. I will say it isn't the ICS we know from the current development but it is beautiful and sleek. The soft keys are a bit cumbersome but I could get used to it. I am in no way drawn away from the evo lte and am more than anxious to own that device!
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imheroldman said:
I went to tmobile today and toyed with the one s. I will say it isn't the ICS we know from the current development but it is beautiful and sleek. The soft keys are a bit cumbersome but I could get used to it. I am in no way drawn away from the evo lte and am more than anxious to own that device!
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That's awesome, especially considering the One S is inferior to our EVO we're getting...
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Well I will answer my own question at this moment, because I stopped into a T-Mobile and played with the One-S for about 10 minutes. It appears that ICS as we know it is VERY coated by Sense, but not necessarily in a bad way. It is still beautiful, just very different. I noticed that there were no quick settings in the notifications menu, which is one thing I was very curious about. But overall, really nice and REALLY amazing! Considering that is the crappy version of our EVOs, I cannot wait for this thing. The One-S screen was awesome, and I know it can't touch the screen (both size and resolution-wise) of our new toy coming out. But the UI was terrifically smooth, the feel was nice (physically), and Sense was overall not intrusive. It was just omnipresent. I'm not disappointed at all - and I know the devs will give us amazing options in terms of removing Sense, or tweaking Sense to give us cool features like quick settings and slide to change brightness.
I can't wait until the One-X is out so that I can play with that one, since it will give a much more accurate portrayal of our experience we can expect. May 18th can't get here soon enough!

I'm posting this everywhere . Its a post by toastcfh over in the oneX forums about how much HTC locked the phone down. Among many things, it is impossible to mount SD from recovery due to their locking, even with custom recovery and HTC dev unlock. If toast says it, it is so, I mean, the guy is an Android/Linux GENIUS. he's the one that had the Evo root method instructions posted before launch day.
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no, USB mount does not work in recovery. It appears to be locked out in recovery mode. the workarounds to get it working are one of two things.
(1) fastboot boot awesomeRecovery.img (this works because fastboot then boots recovery on the boot/temporary partition. So the you're not actually in recovery mode
(2) Offmode (this works because again you're again not technically in recovery mode. It uses the recovery ramdisk, kernel, and binaries but its still not technically recovery.
On that note I've seen suggestions that it's possibly a recovery issue with cwm and twrp. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case. If it were then in CWM u wouldn't have usb when u fastboot boot the recovery or in offmode (fair assumption since both these options use the same kernel, ramdisk and binaries as recovery?). Can it be fix? Not that i know of. It looks to me like a total radio or bootloader lockout from using USB in recovery. Which means on a radio or bootloader level USB is disabled in recovery mode.
On that note I think we should raise the point to HTC that this locking down of the device does not suite our needs.Key points of fail would be as follows.
(1) Can NOT flash the boot partition from recovery. I've personally contacted HTC on this numerous times and they seem to just not care. Responding with "It's a security issue" and so forth. I would love to know how this is a security issue of any sort. Every other Android device has this ability except HTC devices since they started the HTC unlock ordeal. It's utter fail IMHO and HTC should listen to our needs .
(2) Can NOT flash recovery or boot partitions from system. This issue is NOT a deal breaker and isn't so bad when it comes down to the nitty gritty. But since the issue above exists, flashing with applications like htc dumlock and such were our only options. These work around apps cant be used to flash now because of the lockpout from system and it wouldn't be such an issue if HTC didnt lock us out in recovery from flashing boot.
(3) Can NOT flash P*IMG.zips in hboot/bootloader anymore. For the unlocked device running a custom firmware this is a must. Specially when radio updates and such are needed from the OEM. We seen a big use of this on the Sensation when HTC updated the device from Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich. The update required new hboots, radios, and partitioning to actually use. So in that instead of having to flash a RUU Which didn't exist the only choice was to flash a custom P*IMG.zip that included all the radios and images need to run the builds. At this point we can't update those image/partitions without flashing an RUU. This makes no since and doesn't seem to do anything but make things more difficult on the unlocker to customize and modify their device.
(4) If all the conditions above HAVE to exist. Then why not give us documentation or utilities to flash fimware.zips from recovery like HTC does? When HTC was the proud Nexus device there was full support and documentation available on how to flash firmware on their devices. This made anyone choosing an HTC device blessed with knowing that their device was not only open and unlocked, but when flashing firmware that it was being flashed correctly to Google and HTC's standards. This code has now been moved out of recovery since right before the move to edify scripting and moved to vendor/htc/ (not arguing this choice as thats where it belongs from a maintaining point of view). But the problem is that vendor/htc is proprietary now. Which means Documentation and support for flashing firmware correctly is not available and left to developers of recoveries for the community to figure out. One would think if HTC was standing behind us that they would step up and give us a PROPER/OPEN/REAL unlock, or if they cant for the lame excuse of security concerns, then give us the documentation and utilities to flash the boot and firmware partitions properly. I mean really... what is there to lose there?
(5) WHAT WAS THE POINT OF HTC UNLOCK? I was to reach out and except us as a community. It was to keep us from having to exploit their firmware and look for holes to gain control of a device we rightfully own. WHAT DID HTC UNLOCK DO? It unlocked the devices at first and with each new revision of the unlock it gets more locked down and harder for us to use it as intended. WHAT DOES THAT LEAD TO? It leads to us hoping someone will take the time out of their life and exploit HTC's firmware so we can have access and control of our devices. I mean, it's bad when u have people poking a device with a paperclip to get a device unlocked to avoid a official unlock.
Bottom line; I'm personally fed up with HTC's unlock. It's absolute crap! It does not serve the purpose it was intended and only makes things harder then they were before. As a devoted HTC customer it has me questioning if my next device will be an HTC. With all the other options that would allow me to spend less time trying to gain proper access to my device and more time actually having fun with it, why choose HTC? Everyone else is shying away for these same issues. Everyone with an HTC unlocked device waits for someone to exploit HTC's firmware and give them a proper unlock. Why not just choose a device without the locked down/unlock instead? IDK but HTC needs to step up and listen to us. Every HTC forum with an HTC Unlock is screaming for these issues to be fixed.
My call to HTC is to fix these issue and/or give us proper documentation on flashing firmware to our devices via custom recoveries. The boot flashing lockout is dumb, pointless, and in NO WAY a security threat AT ALL and is nothing more then a CRAP RESPONSE to something that they sould be working to correct, instead of ignoring. In the end its hurting HTC's relations with developers and is ultimately doing the opposite of what it's original intent.
HTC, PLEASE READ AND LISTEN!!!11ONEone
To everyone else, SPREAD THE WORD!!!ONEone
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There has to be a way to petition HTC. Reading this is making me lean galaxy Nexus, ...and I F$%kin HATE Samsung.
Edit: this post is from the One X forum TWRP topic.
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No way I'm buying a Samsung phone.
I'll trust that someone will figure out how to get around the issue at some point. I love how the phone is stock anyway.
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PsiPhiDan said:
In my recent mental debate over the EVO 4G LTE vs. the Nexus, I've pondered the differences between stock ICS (pure/vanilla/etc) and the ICS we will see on the One series by HTC, including our very own EVO sequel. From the few screenshots I've seen of the One X, it does not remotely resemble the ICS I've learned to know and love with the work our devs our doing to bring the latest and greatest to the OG. Examples include the lockscreen (the Sense ring appears to still be the default one - is there an option to go straight ICS for the lockscreen?), the dock (I'm sure I can switch the launcher to fix this issue...), the notifications pulldown (I've actually not seen the Sense one yet, but I've heard various things indicating it is different from the one I'm no accustomed to), etc. Heck, even the color of the battery meter is green instead of blue!
Does anyone know or at least have an idea if we can change some of those things without rooting our devices? Having a brand new device, I don't plan on needing to root (or at least install custom ROMs, that is) for a while. But I am already missing the slick new interface Google has provided. While many claim that Sense 4.0 is going for the minimalistic approach to the latest iteration of their infamous skin, why do I feel like they have completely altered a widely praised operating system that has barely rolled out? I'm a little saddened when I see the video of the EVO 4G LTE and feel like the look of everything is dated.
But then I look at the hardware, think about the devs who'll inevitably move to this phone, and that excites me about the possibilities. I guess I'm more curious than disappointed, but I was wondering others' feelings on this topic.
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There IS PLENTY of apps on the play store that offer home screen and lock screen customization, such as launcherpro, milocker, gosms, as far as changing the status bar and battery bar i'm not so sure, i haven't been on a phone with s-on in a while and can't tell you what rootless tweaks would work

Hello streak users

I have been asked by one of your fellow streak users to come over and help bring new life to an elderly device. I have done some work with the HTC EVO 4g which has similar hardware. What I am looking to bring at this moment is a source built ROM by the name of cyanmobile. Like the Og EVO gingerbread is the best aka only fully functional os. Cyanmobile is gingerbread remade. It is not themed to look like ICS/jb but instead has ICS/jb features back ported. It is also extreamly customizable like all the new jb ROMs. It has the cool new features such as softkeys (Navbar), pie, toggle panels, and so much more.
Now I have a good source code with many mods and changes to increase the performance and looks. What I need is some info from yall the streak users. I do not own a streak and have not even seen one. Although the specs are not too far from an Og EVO the dev support here has been on the low side.
So far Giveen has helped me out with some of the vital source needed to start working on this project. Now I am also in need of users who know the basics of adb and logcat. Since I don't have the device y'all will be my eyes on this project. Anyone looking to help out feel free to hit me up here on XDA or via Google. My all my Google is linked to [email protected]. No matter the form g+, email, or talk/hangouts the one name will work for all.
Hope to here back from y'all and will strive to bring you the best gingerbread ROM to ever grace any device period!
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jlmancuso said:
I have been asked by one of your fellow streak users to come over and help bring new life to an elderly device. I have done some work with the HTC EVO 4g which has similar hardware. What I am looking to bring at this moment is a source built ROM by the name of cyanmobile. Like the Og EVO gingerbread is the best aka only fully functional os. Cyanmobile is gingerbread remade. It is not themed to look like ICS/jb but instead has ICS/jb features back ported. It is also extreamly customizable like all the new jb ROMs. It has the cool new features such as softkeys (Navbar), pie, toggle panels, and so much more.
Now I have a good source code with many mods and changes to increase the performance and looks. What I need is some info from yall the streak users. I do not own a streak and have not even seen one. Although the specs are not too far from an Og EVO the dev support here has been on the low side.
So far Giveen has helped me out with some of the vital source needed to start working on this project. Now I am also in need of users who know the basics of adb and logcat. Since I don't have the device y'all will be my eyes on this project. Anyone looking to help out feel free to hit me up here on XDA or via Google. My all my Google is linked to [email protected]. No matter the form g+, email, or talk/hangouts the one name will work for all.
Hope to here back from y'all and will strive to bring you the best gingerbread ROM to ever grace any device period!
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Hope you could bring more development for Dell Streak 5. I would sure appreciate such effort. I have just recently came across the website, unfortunately, so, I just started here, just started learning, and hopefully there are still more development for DS5 for many2 months before I decided to put it RIP :laugh: and hopefully that not too soon, since I am still much attached to my DS5...

I'd be very delighted to help.
Streak 5. Rooted with Gingerbreak. Stock 2.2. Build 15697 (353). AT&T

ok , thanks
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yeah that would be great

What ROM are you using now?

Hi, I'm a new nexus 7.2 WI-FI owner, coming from an old Samsung Galaxy tab 8.9 with CM10.1.2
I've been playing with the stock ROM for a week now and I'm happy. I'm wondering if I'm missing anything staying in stock. My old galaxy nexus phone is also on CM10.2, haven't tried any Rom other than CM.
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Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.

Summit1 said:
Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.
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I haven't rooted nor installed customized ROM yet but what I'm missing about cm is the little customizable things such as options and layout of quick notification tiles, quiet hours, DSP manager, etc. Also very looking forward to the day some Dev can unleash the cellular function of the LTE version,

If you want some additional features like customizable shortcuts, HALO, lock screen shortcuts, PIE or something else, flash some other ROM. If you're a Nexus 7 WIfi owner, then it's not a big problem to choose one. There's a lot of them for FLO (32GB, Wi-fi). I'm personally using PAC Rom and ElementalX kernel, but it's just because I like Paranoid Android and AOKP features. If you don't want a lot of customizing, find something else, possibly lighter, faster, more battery efficient. Or simply use CM 10.2. And if going to settings to change Wifi state doesn't get on your nerves, you did rooting and want your device to run fast and have the latest OS, stay on stock.

I'm waiting for kitkat, so i figured if i root now, ill have to wait until someone gets the source and provide a flashable update. I'm originally from the Philippines but i stay in Ireland for 2 more months for a client im working with now. I bought the device in Dublin so I hope I get the update earlier than if i was in asia.
I actually miss being rooted and able to block annoying ads but i guess after the kitkat update I'll root immediately.
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I am stock, rooted. I really haven't seen the need for anything else at this point. I DO think rooting needs to be done, if for nothing else that Titanium Backup. Plus, I think it is silly to have a device that you don't have access to the file system. Kinda like installing Linux without the "su" function.

PJ Clifford said:
I am stock, rooted. I really haven't seen the need for anything else at this point. I DO think rooting needs to be done, if for nothing else that Titanium Backup. Plus, I think it is silly to have a device that you don't have access to the file system. Kinda like installing Linux without the "su" function.
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True that. But like Apple, Google is protecting the masses, aka non tech people, from breaking their own devices. Only knowledgeable people should root their devices.
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stgeorge88 said:
I haven't rooted nor installed customized ROM yet but what I'm missing about cm is the little customizable things such as options and layout of quick notification tiles, quiet hours, DSP manager, etc. Also very looking forward to the day some Dev can unleash the cellular function of the LTE version,
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You can do most of this on stock with Xposed Framework.

Using pandroid no problems or lock ups yet.
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CarbonRom and ElementalX kernel.
On my Galaxy S3 I also run Carbon with KT747 kernel.

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Using pandroid no problems or lock ups yet.
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I saw in one post they're having lockups at least once a day. Maybe you're not the heavy user type?
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martin707 said:
I saw in one post they're having lockups at least once a day. Maybe you're not the heavy user type?
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Not everyone experiences lockups. In fact, when everything works, people usually stay quiet.
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Summit1 said:
Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.
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I would think people are more likely to go the custom rom route because they wish to have more control over their devices, as in more settings/options. Then add in some of the cool additions rooms have.
Though some can be mimicked via apps.

Just the stock ROM; not rooted yet.

PA. Absolutely love PA.

PA and Franco kernel. Love the extra features of PA

Been using Carbon. I really like it and the nightlies have been very stable for me so far.

I'm running the latest PAC man ROM with elemental X kernel.
There actually is a lot to be gained... With this custom kennel I have double tap the screen to wake, swipe to sleep.
With PAC man you can also use the PA gapps to customize the colors of the apps. Also has swipe the top of the screen to adjust brightness. There are several themes as well. I run the PAC in black theme that comes with the ROM.
Just a few reasons why I prefer a custom ROM over the stock rooted rom
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I'm using AOKP and plan on staying with it. There wasn't anything wrong with the stock rom and I considered staying with it, its' the first android device where I wasn't unhappy with something. The reason I use AOKP is mainly because of how easy it is to theme it. Literally hundreds of options and changing the theme is like getting a new rom without the hassle of changing rom's. It's nice to have something new to look at when you get bored, plus I like all the rom control options like changing the battery icon and clock position and color.
Plus with this device its soooo easy to go back to stock I am not afraid of having any issues if I ever want to unroot and update.

I'm using AOKP, stable tablet ui with no need of changing dpi settings, adding 7 buttons to the navbar and customizing them.
Also use Carbon, for the lots and lots of features.

CM & franco kernel w/ DT2W

Motorola is pleased to provide the open source software used in the Ultra-Family devi

I haven't seen this posted anywhere else yet. Looks like this is the source for the Droid Ultra/Maxx line.
Hopefully using this and the AOSP 4.3, we can get a 4.3 ROM brewed.
Announcing the release of open source for the Ultra family of products
And if you want the source for the Moto X it's there as well:
Announcing the release of Open Source Software for Moto X

Sorry for the noob questions but how does this effect the bootloader? Will it completely unlock the device for recovery/kernels/ROMs? TIA.
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dr_acula said:
Sorry for the noob questions but how does this effect the bootloader? Will it completely unlock the device for recovery/kernels/ROMs? TIA.
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This won't effect the bootloader but could be used for kernels and ROMs on the developer editions where the bootloader is unlocked.
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This won't effect the bootloader but could be used for kernels and ROMs on the developer editions where the bootloader is unlocked.
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Does that mean there's no hope still for locked devices? I got my Maxx and am now questioning if I should return it for a device that can be unlocked. I really love everything else about this phone though.

From what I have read around the forums, if you are looking for unlocked then this phone line isn't the way to go.
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Yep, the developer edition will probably be less headache for you in the long run.
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I don't really have 650$ lying around though :/
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Safestrap for moto X released, likely for maxx soon

rowland007 said:
I haven't seen this posted anywhere else yet. Looks like this is the source for the Droid Ultra/Maxx line.
Hopefully using this and the AOSP 4.3, we can get a 4.3 ROM brewed.
Announcing the release of open source for the Ultra family of products
And if you want the source for the Moto X it's there as well:
Announcing the release of Open Source Software for Moto X
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thank you for the links.
thread moved to general section

Toledo_JAB said:
thank you for the links.
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is this phone is locked to verizon only? how about the gsm? it's locked too?

The phone can be used globaly. That includes GSM networks.

Out of curiosity, is there any development going on with the Droid Maxx developer edition right now? I realize that some of the Moto X stuff works OK, but until someone figures out how to get the capacitive buttons working we're not going to see any ROMs. I'm willing to shell out the extra money for the Maxx Developer Edition if it meant I wouldn't be forced to wait for Verizon to approve firmware updates, but right now it's not looking promising that anyone is going to bother with Droid Maxx DE ROMs. Unless, of course, someone figures out how to unlock the bootloader on the non-developer version.

I haven't seen any activity in the known channels but then again it may be too early to expect anything.
On another note, it would be nice if you could port the Google Edition ROM over to the non Google Edition phones, without having to unlock the bootloader, maybe?

Yeah, I'm surprised at the complete lack of development on this phone. I realize that developer edition devices won't have communities nearly as large as other devices, but I expected at least SOME basic AOSP ROM's.

Wouldnt this being a offical source thats made for our phones atleast allow us to put 4.3 into our phones? Id guess it runs the stock kernel which is signed.

sfreemanoh said:
Yeah, I'm surprised at the complete lack of development on this phone. I realize that developer edition devices won't have communities nearly as large as other devices, but I expected at least SOME basic AOSP ROM's.
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Yeah, I particularly expected some basic ROMs too, since the Maxx will essentially run Moto X ROMs (apparently someone just needs to figure out how to get those ROMs to use the Maxx's capacative buttons). But, there's not a ton going on with the Moto X, either. I'm guessing that's mostly because the Moto X is already mostly a stock ROM. You could build your own AOSP ROM, I suppose, but then you'd lose some of the major features of the Moto X and Droid lines. They're working on CM 10.2, though.

I'd be happy with an AOSP ROM with touchless controls and active notifications
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I have to say since SS came out and we have exposed as well as modules like gravity box etc I don't see a huge need for ROMs. This phones is almost stock android as it is. I would be happy with a deodexed system so it would be easy to install inverted apps and such. I think that is all this phone needs. Other than a ROM that looks or acts completely different from stock what would be the benefit. Without an unlocked boot loader I have always noticed kexec Roms to run glitchy. I don't want a glichy phone when I can do what most Roms do using exposed etc. I think the time would be better spent on creating themes that could be flashed to the stock system. This is just my opinion based on using the maxx for the last 2months.

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I have to say since SS came out and we have exposed as well as modules like gravity box etc I don't see a huge need for ROMs. This phones is almost stock android as it is. I would be happy with a deodexed system so it would be easy to install inverted apps and such. I think that is all this phone needs. Other than a ROM that looks or acts completely different from stock what would be the benefit. Without an unlocked boot loader I have always noticed kexec Roms to run glitchy. I don't want a glichy phone when I can do what most Roms do using exposed etc. I think the time would be better spent on creating themes that could be flashed to the stock system. This is just my opinion based on using the maxx for the last 2months.
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I agree..seems as thow, if I had this stock ROM with a gray gapps to match system colors, maybe even a transparent status bar option, I'd be tickled..I do like some of the Apps. that come with this ROM, games I'm not into, and the "Amazon" stuff, nor the NFL, Ingress I would delete, BUT..The Droid Zap, Touch less Controls, NFC and others I'd like to keep..I do enjoy this device and for the most part, like the stock ROM..
Oh..and be able to turn GPS Off and On without having to give permission ever time ( check or uncheck the box)..
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System > 12.7.7.obake-maxx_verizon
Android > 4.2.2
Baseband > MSM8960PRO_BP_2323.011.75.00R
Kernel > 3.4.42
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I'm perfectly happy with stock MotoX/Droid ROMs too, particularly since they are so close to stock Android. But, I don't want to have to wait for Verizon to approve firmware updates. I got a Galaxy Nexus hoping to avoid some of the headaches associated with flashing ROMs, That didn't exactly turn out as expected (though probably how I should have expected it).

[Q] Anyone ditched KK for 4.3 or 4.2

Just curious to know how many have decided KitKat isn't for them on their Nexus 4s and gone back to a previous version of Android, be it 4.3 or 4.2?
Also, any particular reasons for moving away from KK?
Been on KK for a week or so but I do miss some of the customizations that more establish roms from previous versions offer such as theme engine and various tweaks. I appreciate some of the newer KK roms are getting there but it's still early days.
Thanks.

I switched back not because of the customizations. I am using complete stock. I switched back cuz its like a beta version. They said all the blue in UI will turn into white/gray but its stil blue. Just like a little part of the UI is like it should be. Kinda disappointed that its not done at 100%. Switched back to 4.3 and lovin' it.

I went back to 4.2 because I don't like the direction Google is taking. Now that Android has won the popularity vote, it seems Google is pushing forward more aggressively with its agenda, control.
Android was supposed to be about choices, yet I can no longer choose if I want to use talk instead of hangouts, AOSP browser instead of Chrome or other apps for example. You can no longer use HotSpot (T-Mobile user) unless you modify a db file. Things are being blocked or taken away while being forced into their ecosystem. Google plus, their recent youtube changes. Also instead of privacy being DEFAULT you have to dig deep into settings to enable it. The new Google caller ID while a nice idea, should be an option to enable not one that has automatically been selected for you. The whole agenda is to pry into your private information as much as possible AND make you feel comfortable doing so. But what ship can I jump to? iPhone? No thanks. Stop using smartphones? Not likely.. I guess for now my only option is using an older version of Android that is actually very functional.
Otherwise I do like the smoothness of KitKat, I'm just trying to choose the right ROM that brings back some of the old features with the new.
/sorry for the rant.

KitKat taste better than JellyBean.

What are you looking for as far as customization?

I am still running 4.2.2 on my Nexus 4, it has nothing to do with Kit Kat tho. I'm looking for a 4.4.2 rom that I'm comfortable with, but haven't found one yet. I don't do stock anything so that's out of the question. ?
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The sole reason for kitkat is art
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Kitkat is by far the smoothest Android version today imo, but still holding on to carbon 4.3 because of features and stability reasons. ?
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It is pretty clear when moving to KK that a lot of useful features have been taken away. Many more utilities need root access now to do things like control Airplane Mode or to read battery statistics. I'm sure Google will have some excuses around "security" but I just feel like the walls are closing in on Android. Also KK seems to have introduced more bugs than useful new features. I've had several irritating battery drain problems, partly due to stupid default settings but also to bugs. Seriously considering going back to 4.3 which was perfectly functional for everything I needed.

I stayed on 4.2.2 aokp milestone mostly because everything works perfectly fine without a bug. The only thing not letting me moving forward is the whole thing about using 1 default messaging app. For example i like the default messaging app but i need the quick send from chomp sms. No, i have to use only one. That's what's android is all about, ( the choice that you want to do with your device, if im gonna be taking all the good options away, then mind as well say go iPhone.

I had been using the stock rooted version of 4.4.2 for almost a week now and have been having trouble with the phone freezing up every few hours wherein none of the hardware buttons response. Need to restart the phone then
Not sure how many have been facing these issues
Now i m switching back to Carbon Rom again
maritimesbob said:
Just curious to know how many have decided KitKat isn't for them on their Nexus 4s and gone back to a previous version of Android, be it 4.3 or 4.2?
Also, any particular reasons for moving away from KK?
Been on KK for a week or so but I do miss some of the customizations that more establish roms from previous versions offer such as theme engine and various tweaks. I appreciate some of the newer KK roms are getting there but it's still early days.
Thanks.
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I'm waiting for a gingerbread ROM, best android version so far - but no ROMs for the nexus 4. Far faster than anything since.
If you're aware of one, please let me know.
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I'm on KK but I also feel that android(AOSP) is going in wrong direction: left side of home screen is Google now in gel, read somewhere and agree that it reminds like iPhone UI,
And all love for android is because is different than iOS, so im in doubt to downgrade, speed on jellybean is good for me and its smooth enough.
Greets
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andynx1 said:
I'm waiting for a gingerbread ROM, best android version so far - but no ROMs for the nexus 4. Far faster than anything since.
If you're aware of one, please let me know.
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It's not possible cause there are no drivers of N4 for gingerbread.
And kk is by far the best Android. I love the design, the features, the speed (ART). I haven't had any bug so far and I am using stock rooted. I think kk is the first of android revisions that's as smooth as ios or even better.

sandy-achar said:
It's not possible cause there are no drivers of N4 for gingerbread.
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Err, my "gingerbread" comment was meant as a joke.
Of course kk is the best yet, there's really no good reason not to use it. Unless you're a Luddite.
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andynx1 said:
Err, my "gingerbread" comment was meant as a joke.
Of course kk is the best yet, there's really no good reason not to use it. Unless you're a Luddite.
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LOL! That would be interesting tho.
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I can see why quite a few look at KitKat and think it a half baked product. It just doesn't seem quite complete, almost like it was rushed out in time for Christmas or something.
The wife has just had her KitKat OTA for her MotoG. She knows nothing about rooting and all the fun stuff, her phone is a phone! However she said she prefers it before the update as her battery life is much worse now. The MotoG comes with pretty much a clean Google rom.
I've tried KitKat again over the last week, but I'm going back to a 4.3 rom as it "feels" more complete if that makes sense.

maritimesbob said:
I can see why quite a few look at KitKat and think it a half baked product. It just doesn't seem quite complete, almost like it was rushed out in time for Christmas or something.
The wife has just had her KitKat OTA for her MotoG. She knows nothing about rooting and all the fun stuff, her phone is a phone! However she said she prefers it before the update as her battery life is much worse now. The MotoG comes with pretty much a clean Google rom.
I've tried KitKat again over the last week, but I'm going back to a 4.3 rom as it "feels" more complete if that makes sense.
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Rom's are a personal choice , my favorite right up until jellybean was Ginger bread and to be honest I wasn't overly impressed with KK.
However apart from Google trying to undo what android is about .
I can honestly say my battery life and general running is far better on kk and I really like it now.
Wouldn't think about returning to JB.
I missed network indicators and hated hangouts but after searching and fixing my dislikes I now believe my phone has never been this smooth , good looking and battery friendly.
Again its a personal choice but with a little searching and modding I think you can get good results on KK.
Phone : Nexus 4 /Rom : cataclysm / Kernel : Stock.

I'm happy with KK it looks nicer, but in saying so it doesn't feel complete but I guess that's why with have devs coding awesome ROMs to add anything they think is missing. For example... I'm running the latest 4.4 AOKP and at the moment its almost like a stock ROM with only a few features and tweaks. But in time everything we know and love from AOKP will be added. So all in all at the moment I think its just a waiting game while developers work their magic.
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chicohonda91 said:
I stayed on 4.2.2 aokp milestone mostly because everything works perfectly fine without a bug. The only thing not letting me moving forward is the whole thing about using 1 default messaging app. For example i like the default messaging app but i need the quick send from chomp sms. No, i have to use only one. That's what's android is all about, ( the choice that you want to do with your device, if im gonna be taking all the good options away, then mind as well say go iPhone.
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Have you even tried Kitkat? You can still use the default messaging app or any other sms app. When you first boot up Kitkat, by default hangout is a messaging app but you can change it. Hangouts > Settings > SMS > SMS Enabled > Default SMS app > Choose any other sms app you prefer.