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North American Samsung Galaxy S III LTE Hands-on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bq3E_RfzxE&feature=g-u-u
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Benchmarks?
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SlimJ87D said:
Benchmarks?
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End of the video?

madhad said:
End of the video?
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Awesome. Gf is sleeping can't watch. How much ram is actually available after adreno and the 4g lte takes up some ram?
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youtube blocked at work, can someone please summarize the video?

tsukurimashou said:
youtube blocked at work, can someone please summarize the video?
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Good 14min summary of the phone. Much like every other S3 video. Does two benchmarks at the end.
Speed test gives ~21mb down and ~11 up.
quadrant was blazing fast during the benchmark. Scored 5099, beating everything in the market.
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Thanks! What is the score for the int edition? Is he talking about battery life in the video?

DangKid said:
Good 14min summary of the phone. Much like every other S3 video. Does two benchmarks at the end.
Speed test gives ~21mb down and ~11 up.
quadrant was blazing fast during the benchmark. Scored 5099, beating everything in the market.
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The international version gets around 5665. Just saying.
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I have the international quad core version. Benchmark around 5200 - 5400 everyttime. The advantage comes from mostly the cpu score where all cores are used. However apart from benchmarks, I never saw more than 2 cores being used.

nativestranger said:
I have the international quad core version. Benchmark around 5200 - 5400 everyttime. The advantage comes from mostly the cpu score where all cores are used. However apart from benchmarks, I never saw more than 2 cores being used.
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Quadrant is the worst benchmark to compare anything to now a days.

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Quadrant is the worst benchmark to compare anything to now a days.
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It has suddenly become the worse benchmark because somehow the dual core s4 can keep up with the tegra 3 and not far off exynos 4. People like to see benchmarks that's plays to their devices advantages. Antutu has become the new favorite as it scales well to four cores and not that critical of tegra 3 and exynos lack of memory bandwidth/ IO performance against krait. However in realworld usage I would say even quadrant paints an over optimistic idea of actual performance for quad core devices. Despite similar quadrant scores, multiple users who have both commented on faster and more fluid experience on the krait chip.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1685030

Why do people argue over benchmarks? Both the s4 and exynos are fast and fluid and won't go wrong with either.
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Wonder if the 2GB of RAM will help the S4 not lag. Especially while doing the popup video.

SiNJiN76 said:
Wonder if the 2GB of RAM will help the S4 not lag. Especially while doing the popup video.
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Pop up video doesnt lag on my quad core version. However i am experiencing out of memory home screen restarts and browser crashed when opening too many tabs with flash enabled. My music player also auto quits sometimes when open up a new tab in browser or using any other memory hungry apps. Very annoying.

I have noticed using TouchWiz/Apex was causing the phone to lag a lot. I switched to Nova and the experience is smooth as silk. No freezing or ram issues yet, and i normally have 20 tabs open on Opera Mini + Music playing and whatsapp + email + gtalk+ wordfeud + a calendar widget + Gtasks widget
Opera Mini does its own memory management tho, clears pages once in a while, but not often.
edit - using the international quad core version -

tsukurimashou said:
Thanks! What is the score for the int edition? Is he talking about battery life in the video?
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He had used the phone for over 8 hours before filming and the battery was at 40%. Looks like a strong battery, should definitely last as long as other phones.
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So i guess, both the International version owners and the N American version owners have something to look forward to when Samsung actually releases the next generation Exynos. Maybe then, the phone will truly be Universal (same internals/user experience).

where is the branding on the back?

nativestranger said:
It has suddenly become the worse benchmark because somehow the dual core s4 can keep up with the tegra 3 and not far off exynos 4. People like to see benchmarks that's plays to their devices advantages. Antutu has become the new favorite as it scales well to four cores and not that critical of tegra 3 and exynos lack of memory bandwidth/ IO performance against krait. However in realworld usage I would say even quadrant paints an over optimistic idea of actual performance for quad core devices. Despite similar quadrant scores, multiple users who have both commented on faster and more fluid experience on the krait chip.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1685030
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No, it's not programmed to bench current day processors that's why.

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Snapdragon 600 vs Snapdragon S4 Pro

Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...

everythingsablur said:
The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...
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I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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From anandtech:
[snapdragon 600] "This is quad core Krait 300 (as opposed to 200 in MSM8960 or APQ8064) which brings a 15 percent increase in IPC as well as higher clocks (from 1.5 to 1.7 GHz), for about 20–30 percent higher overall CPU performance"
20 - 30% So significant but not huge.

fredcorp6 said:
I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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I read on snapdragon s4 pro and compare it with spec of snapdragon 600 "the only" difference i got is memory technology, s4pro uses 533MHz LPDDR2 and 600 uses LPDDR3
Edit: our phone not made for benchmark, i read somewhere on google+ someone wrote about it.
Btw nexus is always behind in terms of benchmarking, but if you compare the smoothness even galaxy nexus is still so smooth.
Here is the link https://plus.google.com/u/0/101093310520661581786/posts/Q1yVmqtubG9 its exynos4 saga by one of exynos cm maintainer, but he give a reason why our benchmark not as good as optimus G.
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Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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+1 Please

Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Well because sometimes its a good way of comparing the performance of 2 phones - unfortunately not the case with a nexus I've just learned. Eyeball is very subjective, benchmarks are not (well they shouldn't be!).
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lol @ benchmarks please welcome to technology soon as you bought the phone it was considered OLD !

But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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S4 Pro is still quick and i can see it being developed in devices for another 2+ years. i would safely assume low end tablets would also start using it when the price of these chips are reduced

Never cared about benchmarks, Even with the PCs I build. I over clock my pcs as much as possible for REAL WORLD usage and as long as they allow me to do everything I want and more and visually everything looks and feels fine and is stable, I'm good to go. Same applies with these phones. The nexus has top of the line internals and stock android allows this phone to be the way it was meant to. Now I have flashed asylum which is awesome, and I have used just about every kernel. I do notice differences in kernels “cough, matrix is the best, cough", but the differences are “seat of the pants" which is a curse in my opinion. Benchmarking stresses components, and at the price of these things why take a chance of shortening its life.
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tuilalnvinh said:
But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need

CheesyNutz said:
benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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That is my point right there.
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CheesyNutz said:
benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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My G2x used to get pretty high benchmarks... I hated that phone.
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Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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ksubedi said:
Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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Yeah its my understanding that quadrant is also really easy to spoof
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AW: Snapdragon 600 vs Snapdragon S4 Pro
So far I can see only devices with Android 4.1, or less, score pretty high with Krait cores. We havn't any other phone with 4.2 and snapdragon CPU to compare fairly.

The dual core S3 in my Xperia S doesn't feel any difference to the quad core S4 Pro in my Nexus 4 in every day use so i aint going to lose any sleep.

The number I heard thrown around was 40% faster on paper, or theoretically. Real world applications that may translate to less but still somewhat significant depending on your use case.
The kicker is it seems to still be the Adreno 320, is that higher clocked than the S4 Pro? If not it's pushing more pixels in the HTC One.

Android 5...

Hello, I saw that google nexus 10 (tablet) probably will get the Android 5 and it's not fair that Galaxy 2 will not accept, as Nexus 10 has a Cortex-A15 Dual Core 1.7GHz frequency on Exynos 5250 platform and Galaxy 2 has a dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9 so it does not look to me like a significant and it's really not fair Why Samsung is not making an effort and adjusts the system to S2 it also lowers the company, it really takes off and makes me think of the move really Nexus or something else, and I do not see why not make a Android suit herself processor, which means that if the CPU is 2 cores then it will use the two cores if you have 4 or more so she will know to take advantage of the 4 and get more like it should be like Linux comes soon and I hope we can install it on Hgalksi, I personally have 3 Galaxy S2 and I was really annoying me these two things ...

lol wut????
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Okay, so what do you want to accomplish with this post? It's not like we can do anything about or with it.
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Not this again...

i like how he didn't finish one sentence properly but just kept on going. :good:
so it does not look to me like a significant
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This guys interesting
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I'm just saying it sucks Galaxie 2 not getting the Android 5,Samsung neglecting its buyers, it is impossible to make a protest and demand that they give both Galaxy 2

At least we will or may have cm11.
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Yeah well I hate that my old HTC Magic won't get it either. Think I'll start a new thread about it..

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I'm just saying it sucks Galaxie 2 not getting the Android 5,Samsung neglecting its buyers, it is impossible to make a protest and demand that they give both Galaxy 2
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That is a perfectly reasonable opinion. But that doesn't mean you should create a thread about it here.
Share something useful or a problem u face, or ask a question.
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kobi_shalom said:
Hello, I saw that google nexus 10 (tablet) probably will get the Android 5 and it's not fair that Galaxy 2 will not accept, as Nexus 10 has a Cortex-A15 Dual Core 1.7GHz frequency on Exynos 5250 platform and Galaxy 2 has a dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9 so it does not look to me like a significant and it's really not fair Why Samsung is not making an effort and adjusts the system to S2 it also lowers the company, it really takes off and makes me think of the move really Nexus or something else, and I do not see why not make a Android suit herself processor, which means that if the CPU is 2 cores then it will use the two cores if you have 4 or more so she will know to take advantage of the 4 and get more like it should be like Linux comes soon and I hope we can install it on Hgalksi, I personally have 3 Galaxy S2 and I was really annoying me these two things ...
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You do realise that the Cortex-A15 Exynos 5250 in the Nexus 10 is a lot more powerful than most of the current quad core CPUs out there and quite possibly more powerful than some Galaxy S4 variants? Not to mention the beast that is the Mali T604.

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Buy exynos handset version for UK

Hi, anyone bought a exynos version and using it in the UK, if so how much did it cost, where from and are there any hardware issues using it?
I already have an S3, the snapdragon version doesn't seem like a big enough upgrade to me, looking to get the exynos version .

S3 Geekbench 2 -- 1374
S4 I9505 Geekbench 2 -- 3160
How much of an upgrade do you need?
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Pagnell said:
S3 Geekbench 2 -- 1374
S4 I9505 Geekbench 2 -- 3160
How much of an upgrade do you need?
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Fair point, however I dont see any point spend the same money on an inferior phone, if I'm going to shell out for a new phone might as well get the best version or not bother at all.

Both phones have advantages and disadvantages. Under ideal conditions the CPU speed of the Exynos will give you better performance, although not by much. As a tradeoff the GPU in the I9505 is better and has better OpenGL support.
For me the ease of development for AOKP and CM makes the I9505 the better option and I will use 4G eventually when it becomes more widely available in the UK.
It's a trade off though. Are you prepared to have less support for the phone as a result of importing it? And for a slight performance gain in certain circumstances that won't even be noticeable in real terms? If so then the Exynos model becomes an option but I'm just saying don't expect a big difference between it and the model you can buy today by walking into your local shop. In real life terms you won't see it.
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Pagnell said:
Both phones have advantages and disadvantages. Under ideal conditions the CPU speed of the Exynos will give you better performance, although not by much. As a tradeoff the GPU in the I9505 is better and has better OpenGL support.
For me the ease of development for AOKP and CM makes the I9505 the better option and I will use 4G eventually when it becomes more widely available in the UK.
It's a trade off though. Are you prepared to have less support for the phone as a result of importing it? And for a slight performance gain in certain circumstances that won't even be noticeable in real terms? If so then the Exynos model becomes an option but I'm just saying don't expect a big difference between it and the model you can buy today by walking into your local shop. In real life terms you won't see it.
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All good points, I may have a rethink.

is this for real?

Samsung reportedly cooking benchmark books for Exynos-powered Galaxy S4 http://drippler.com/updates/share/s...king-benchmark-books-exynos-powered-galaxy-s4 Via j.mp/getDrippler
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Samsung Galaxy S4 tweaked to achieve unrealistic benchmark results http://drippler.com/updates/share/samsung-galaxy-s4-tweaked-achieve-unrealistic-benchmark-results Via j.mp/getDrippler
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http://allthingsd.com/20130730/samsung-busted-boosting-international-galaxy-s4-benchmarks/
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Thats low, not that its a big deal but still, what need did they have to cheat on benches?
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This has been going on since the S2 some of our developers even talked about it and that is when scores stopped meaning anything
Wayne Tech Nexus

Now....so samsung himself prooved that they are cheater....they treated very unfair with some consumer (please refer to GSMArena)
It is Unexpected & very Very Dissapoi ting.....
If only....we should have realised when AndreuLux said that Octa core is only gimmic...
....and now Will Samsung compansate for cheating people

i wonder what are the real benches, my phone normally gets around 28000 and 30000 antutu
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samsung has never mentioned anywhere officially that the clock speed of powervr gpu will be 533mhz!! If they mentioned the max speed as 480 mhz and used 533 mhz for benchmarks then it can be considered as cheating. Since this is out all over the net most people dont even know about this and start talking whatever they want!! crap!!
The only thing that can be considered as cheating will be the raise in cpu thermal temp limit by 10C for better scores in antutu.
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Now....so samsung himself prooved that they are cheater....they treated very unfair with some consumer (please refer to GSMArena)
It is Unexpected & very Very Dissapoi ting.....
If only....we should have realised when AndreuLux said that Octa core is only gimmic...
....and now Will Samsung compansate for cheating people
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being not able to use all cores is indeed a shock to andrei, every one including andrei was expecting smp to be enabled some time soon.

So they optimise the phone for benchmarks? Big deal. How about you force your gpu to run at max setting all day and see how your battery fairs.
I understand how this can be seen as disingenuous but it's not nearly as big s deal as allthingsd and anandtech are making. Then again that's news for them..

Just install a custom ROM and check the benchmarks according to the sources this thing has occurred especially due to an apk file which has some several optimization for benchmark apps in stock firmware. I don't find this as cheating because the scores are lot more higher in cm compared to the stock so do you guys think cm team has some secret app to raise the benchmark of the s4 lol
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So whats new, manufacterers all cheat one way or another to make their products look good in tests/benchmarks. The gas mileage of a car is at least 20% higher than advertised because they test with cars that have almost no interior to save weight

Yup. Another example from my industry is lamp life. Obviously not a single led light fitting has ever been tested for 30,000 hours but that's what the manufactures claim. They run the led for only a few seconds and calculate the life based on the carbon degradation over that time. It proves nothing as there are too many variables in the real world which will affect life such as quality of the power supply and ambient temperature.
Joe consumer loves it though, he thinks he's buying a lamp that he'll never need to replace. ..
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