Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...
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The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...
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I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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From anandtech:
[snapdragon 600] "This is quad core Krait 300 (as opposed to 200 in MSM8960 or APQ8064) which brings a 15 percent increase in IPC as well as higher clocks (from 1.5 to 1.7 GHz), for about 20–30 percent higher overall CPU performance"
20 - 30% So significant but not huge.
fredcorp6 said:
I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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I read on snapdragon s4 pro and compare it with spec of snapdragon 600 "the only" difference i got is memory technology, s4pro uses 533MHz LPDDR2 and 600 uses LPDDR3
Edit: our phone not made for benchmark, i read somewhere on google+ someone wrote about it.
Btw nexus is always behind in terms of benchmarking, but if you compare the smoothness even galaxy nexus is still so smooth.
Here is the link https://plus.google.com/u/0/101093310520661581786/posts/Q1yVmqtubG9 its exynos4 saga by one of exynos cm maintainer, but he give a reason why our benchmark not as good as optimus G.
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Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Well because sometimes its a good way of comparing the performance of 2 phones - unfortunately not the case with a nexus I've just learned. Eyeball is very subjective, benchmarks are not (well they shouldn't be!).
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lol @ benchmarks please welcome to technology soon as you bought the phone it was considered OLD !
But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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S4 Pro is still quick and i can see it being developed in devices for another 2+ years. i would safely assume low end tablets would also start using it when the price of these chips are reduced
Never cared about benchmarks, Even with the PCs I build. I over clock my pcs as much as possible for REAL WORLD usage and as long as they allow me to do everything I want and more and visually everything looks and feels fine and is stable, I'm good to go. Same applies with these phones. The nexus has top of the line internals and stock android allows this phone to be the way it was meant to. Now I have flashed asylum which is awesome, and I have used just about every kernel. I do notice differences in kernels “cough, matrix is the best, cough", but the differences are “seat of the pants" which is a curse in my opinion. Benchmarking stresses components, and at the price of these things why take a chance of shortening its life.
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tuilalnvinh said:
But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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That is my point right there.
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CheesyNutz said:
benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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My G2x used to get pretty high benchmarks... I hated that phone.
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Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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Yeah its my understanding that quadrant is also really easy to spoof
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AW: Snapdragon 600 vs Snapdragon S4 Pro
So far I can see only devices with Android 4.1, or less, score pretty high with Krait cores. We havn't any other phone with 4.2 and snapdragon CPU to compare fairly.
The dual core S3 in my Xperia S doesn't feel any difference to the quad core S4 Pro in my Nexus 4 in every day use so i aint going to lose any sleep.
The number I heard thrown around was 40% faster on paper, or theoretically. Real world applications that may translate to less but still somewhat significant depending on your use case.
The kicker is it seems to still be the Adreno 320, is that higher clocked than the S4 Pro? If not it's pushing more pixels in the HTC One.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bq3E_RfzxE&feature=g-u-u
You're welcome!
Benchmarks?
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Benchmarks?
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End of the video?
madhad said:
End of the video?
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Awesome. Gf is sleeping can't watch. How much ram is actually available after adreno and the 4g lte takes up some ram?
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youtube blocked at work, can someone please summarize the video?
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youtube blocked at work, can someone please summarize the video?
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Good 14min summary of the phone. Much like every other S3 video. Does two benchmarks at the end.
Speed test gives ~21mb down and ~11 up.
quadrant was blazing fast during the benchmark. Scored 5099, beating everything in the market.
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Thanks! What is the score for the int edition? Is he talking about battery life in the video?
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Good 14min summary of the phone. Much like every other S3 video. Does two benchmarks at the end.
Speed test gives ~21mb down and ~11 up.
quadrant was blazing fast during the benchmark. Scored 5099, beating everything in the market.
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The international version gets around 5665. Just saying.
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I have the international quad core version. Benchmark around 5200 - 5400 everyttime. The advantage comes from mostly the cpu score where all cores are used. However apart from benchmarks, I never saw more than 2 cores being used.
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I have the international quad core version. Benchmark around 5200 - 5400 everyttime. The advantage comes from mostly the cpu score where all cores are used. However apart from benchmarks, I never saw more than 2 cores being used.
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Quadrant is the worst benchmark to compare anything to now a days.
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Quadrant is the worst benchmark to compare anything to now a days.
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It has suddenly become the worse benchmark because somehow the dual core s4 can keep up with the tegra 3 and not far off exynos 4. People like to see benchmarks that's plays to their devices advantages. Antutu has become the new favorite as it scales well to four cores and not that critical of tegra 3 and exynos lack of memory bandwidth/ IO performance against krait. However in realworld usage I would say even quadrant paints an over optimistic idea of actual performance for quad core devices. Despite similar quadrant scores, multiple users who have both commented on faster and more fluid experience on the krait chip.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1685030
Why do people argue over benchmarks? Both the s4 and exynos are fast and fluid and won't go wrong with either.
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Wonder if the 2GB of RAM will help the S4 not lag. Especially while doing the popup video.
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Wonder if the 2GB of RAM will help the S4 not lag. Especially while doing the popup video.
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Pop up video doesnt lag on my quad core version. However i am experiencing out of memory home screen restarts and browser crashed when opening too many tabs with flash enabled. My music player also auto quits sometimes when open up a new tab in browser or using any other memory hungry apps. Very annoying.
I have noticed using TouchWiz/Apex was causing the phone to lag a lot. I switched to Nova and the experience is smooth as silk. No freezing or ram issues yet, and i normally have 20 tabs open on Opera Mini + Music playing and whatsapp + email + gtalk+ wordfeud + a calendar widget + Gtasks widget
Opera Mini does its own memory management tho, clears pages once in a while, but not often.
edit - using the international quad core version -
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Thanks! What is the score for the int edition? Is he talking about battery life in the video?
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He had used the phone for over 8 hours before filming and the battery was at 40%. Looks like a strong battery, should definitely last as long as other phones.
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So i guess, both the International version owners and the N American version owners have something to look forward to when Samsung actually releases the next generation Exynos. Maybe then, the phone will truly be Universal (same internals/user experience).
where is the branding on the back?
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It has suddenly become the worse benchmark because somehow the dual core s4 can keep up with the tegra 3 and not far off exynos 4. People like to see benchmarks that's plays to their devices advantages. Antutu has become the new favorite as it scales well to four cores and not that critical of tegra 3 and exynos lack of memory bandwidth/ IO performance against krait. However in realworld usage I would say even quadrant paints an over optimistic idea of actual performance for quad core devices. Despite similar quadrant scores, multiple users who have both commented on faster and more fluid experience on the krait chip.
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No, it's not programmed to bench current day processors that's why.
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Should buying s4 or waiting nexus 5 ?
Sorry for bad English!!
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Wait for the Galaxy S5. It will surely be faster than both.
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U must be joking! Now i use motorola razr. I will change my phone in this year. Should i buy s4 or wait nexus 5? There is a rumour nexus 5 cpu is snapdragon 800. Is snapdragon 800 cpu faster than exynos octa 5?
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monpeso said:
U must be joking! Now i use motorola razr. I will change my phone in this year. Should i buy s4 or wait nexus 5? There is a rumour nexus 5 cpu is snapdragon 800. Is snapdragon 800 cpu faster than exynos octa 5?
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Sure but they say that the Kyocera ultra is coming out soon with a new snapdragon 800 plus with an advance CPU and it makes great decaf coffee too. Should probably wait for that one.
if xda dev enable all 8 cores running performance should be same as 2.3ghz s800
even if 4 a15 clock at 2ghz should be same as 2.3ghz s800
but adreno 330 better than the adreno 320 and 533mp3 for sure
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if xda dev enable all 8 cores running performance should be same as 2.3ghz s800
even if 4 a15 clock at 2ghz should be same as 2.3ghz s800
but adreno 330 better than the adreno 320 and 533mp3 for sure
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This is only my guess, but IF that was even possible to run all 8 cores at the same time it most likely will not run at full speed because of the amount of heat that would be generated by running all 8 cores at once.
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Should buying s4 or waiting nexus 5 ?
Sorry for bad English!!
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Adreno 330 will smoke the 544mp3
Cpu speed could be about the same
snapdragon will blow exynos cos exynos already par with s600 but s800 will be monster
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snapdragon will blow exynos cos exynos already par with s600 but s800 will be monster
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Lol please stop talking. The exynos octa smothers the s600 in benchmarks while at a lower clock.
Anywho, there were some leaked benchmarks a little while back I saw
(Don't remember where) for the s800 and it hit slightly higher than the Tegra 4 on antutu. But it also was clocked at 2.3ghz where as the t4 was 2 ghz.so to answer your question no, the s800 really isn't anything special compared to a15 chips, and exynos outperforms tegra. But the krait chips probably have slightly better efficiency. So maybe it might be worth looking into, the gpu (330) will most likely outperform the power vr marginally, not that it even matters at this point. From the bit I researched the s800 doesn't deviate too greatly from three s600 aside from higher peak frequencies and large band width
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Should buying s4 or waiting nexus 5 ?
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We can't compare something which isn't even out yet, so I wonder if there is any use of this thread
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Lol please stop talking. The exynos octa smothers the s600 in benchmarks while at a lower clock.
Anywho, there were some leaked benchmarks a little while back I saw
(Don't remember where) for the s800 and it hit slightly higher than the Tegra 4 on antutu. But it also was clocked at 2.3ghz where as the t4 was 2 ghz.so to answer your question no, the s800 really isn't anything special compared to a15 chips, and exynos outperforms tegra. But the krait chips probably have slightly better efficiency. So maybe it might be worth looking into, the gpu (330) will most likely outperform the power vr marginally, not that it even matters at this point. From the bit I researched the s800 doesn't deviate too greatly from three s600 aside from higher peak frequencies and large band width
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You might want to check other threads yourself before stating "facts" like that.
With the final firmware, things seem different, both version are pretty close to each other, sometimes the S600 version wins, sometimes the Octa does.
But most of the time, it seems the Octa has a faster CPU, but the overclocked Adreno 320 in the S600 version of the S4 beats the PowerVR 544MP3 of the Octa version.
Here's a comparison with the latest and most strenuous benchmark from GLBenchmark :
http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benc...true&arch-MIPS=true&arch-x86=true&base=device
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Should buying s4 or waiting nexus 5 ?
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I would wait for Nexus 5, i know it's painful, but trust me, it's gonna be whort it.
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You might want to check other threads yourself before stating "facts" like that.
With the final firmware, things seem different, both version are pretty close to each other, sometimes the S600 version wins, sometimes the Octa does.
But most of the time, it seems the Octa has a faster CPU, but the overclocked Adreno 320 in the S600 version of the S4 beats the PowerVR 544MP3 of the Octa version.
Here's a comparison with the latest and most strenuous benchmark from GLBenchmark :
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Glbenchmarks are not a good way for comparing gaming performance.
I think, gaming would be quite same on both devices.
i9100g user said:
Glbenchmarks are not a good way for comparing gaming performance.
I think, gaming would be quite same on both devices.
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That's ultimately what I meant, but you're right.. benchmarks are not the best way to compare gaming performance, but right now, it's pretty much all we have to compare
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You might want to check other threads yourself before stating "facts" like that.
With the final firmware, things seem different, both version are pretty close to each other, sometimes the S600 version wins, sometimes the Octa does.
But most of the time, it seems the Octa has a faster CPU, but the overclocked Adreno 320 in the S600 version of the S4 beats the PowerVR 544MP3 of the Octa version.
Here's a comparison with the latest and most strenuous benchmark from GLBenchmark :
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Lol you tell me to check other threads then repeat exactly what I just said? Anyways, I'm not basing my info of a single stream on benchmarks conducted by someone after a few firmware updates, that doesn't show anything and certainly doesn't do much towards leveling the playing ground between the two soc's. I've done pretty extensive research into the architectures of mobile chipsets, both Qualcomm and arm designs; mostly reading up on how each generation changes from one to the next and some blue prints. S600, or even s800, based chips will not perform as well as any a15 chip. More efficient? Definitely, but that's about it. In fact the s800 architecture really doesn't deviate that greatly from the dated krait s4.
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Damn the Gs4 has 8 cores what Gigs is the processor 1.8?
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Damn the Gs4 has 8 cores what Gigs is the processor 1.8?
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The international variant has 8, with only 4 being able to be active at a time. 4 a15 cores clocked at 1.6ghz, and 4 a7 which I believe are clocked at 1.2 (I could be very wrong). Most of the world is receiving the i9505 variant which uses Qualcomm's s600 quad core though
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Lol you tell me to check other threads then repeat exactly what I just said? Anyways, I'm not basing my info of a single stream on benchmarks conducted by someone after a few firmware updates, that doesn't show anything and certainly doesn't do much towards leveling the playing ground between the two soc's. I've done pretty extensive research into the architectures of mobile chipsets, both Qualcomm and arm designs; mostly reading up on how each generation changes from one to the next and some blue prints. S600, or even s800, based chips will not perform as well as any a15 chip. More efficient? Definitely, but that's about it. In fact the s800 architecture really doesn't deviate that greatly from the dated krait s4.
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Hmm, you were the one talking about benchmarks (and how the Octa smothers the SD600 in them), I only gave you a link to one (that should be among the best benchmarks for GPU) that contradicts what you said.
If you want links to other benchmarks showing the same type of results between the 2 SOC, it's not hard to find either, it's not like this is the only benchmark giving these results.
Also, theoretical performance (based on blue prints, and the architecture of the SOCs) is one thing, but it does not always translate to practical performance.
To tell you the truth, I was pretty sure I'd import the i9500, but I'm changing my mind more and more based on what I'm reading.
I'm still not sure right now though
But in real life use and gaming, it shouldn't really make a noticeable difference in performance whether you have one or the other.
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Hmm, you were the one talking about benchmarks (and how the Octa smothers the SD600 in them), I only gave you a link to one (that should be among the best benchmarks for GPU) that contradicts what you said.
If you want links to other benchmarks showing the same type of results between the 2 SOC, it's not hard to find either, it's not like this is the only benchmark giving these results.
Also, theoretical performance (based on blue prints, and the architecture of the SOCs) is one thing, but it does not always translate to practical performance.
To tell you the truth, I was pretty sure I'd import the i9500, but I'm changing my mind more and more based on what I'm reading.
I'm still not sure right now though
But in real life use and gaming, it shouldn't really make a noticeable difference in performance whether you have one or the other.
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Fair enough. I suppose I did contradict myself, didn't I
By the way I'm getting the i9505 as well.
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Fair enough. I suppose I did contradict myself, didn't I
By the way I'm getting the i9505 as well.
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Yeah, but truth is that it's still hard to tell which version is better, and it probably won't even make much difference in usage
Battery usage is still unknown too, even though on paper, the Exynos sounds good, it really depends on what you do, and how well the dual processor architecture manages that.
Isn't this just practically the same spec as the N4? Same CPU, same amount of RAM, GPU etc. etc.?
Yes
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With a better display resolution ofc. Is that a good thing or a bad thing for you? Because I think It's awesome to have a tablet like that at this price tag. I'll refresh my Nexus 7 with the new one as soon as I can since it's extremely affordable.
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With a better display resolution ofc. Is that a good thing or a bad thing for you? Because I think It's awesome to have a tablet like that at this price tag. I'll refresh my Nexus 7 with the new one as soon as I can since it's extremely affordable.
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I have a Nexus 4, no Nexus 7. Have an iPad 3 but want something more portable so don't know if I should get the new N7 or wait for an iPad Mini update. Tied into both ecosystems, but if I go all Android, there's a lot of money wasted on iOS apps.
Also, how do you change names? My girlfriend set this up but doesn't use the account anymore - or is it best to just start a new account?
You can either use multi-user functionality or detach current Google account from tablet and set it up with a new one again.
Nexus 7 is also really portable. It fits into my back pocket and I'm going to everywhere with it without any hassle. iPad 3 in the other hand it's a gigantic device compared to Nexus 7 because it's bigger than 10" and also it has a 4:3 display makes it even more harder to carry around with ease.
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You can either use multi-user functionality or detach current Google account from tablet and set it up with a new one again.
Nexus 7 is also really portable. It fits into my back pocket and I'm going to everywhere with it without any hassle. iPad 3 in the other hand it's a gigantic device compared to Nexus 7 because it's bigger than 10" and also it has a 4:3 display makes it even more harder to carry around with ease.
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Pretty sure he is referring to his XDA screen name.
Just make a new account, doesn't take long.
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Pretty sure he is referring to his XDA screen name.
Just make a new account, doesn't take long.
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You could also email the administrator.
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So can one use the Steps to Flash the Android 4.3 Build [Clean FLASH or Retention of Data /w Flash], for the N7? IOW: Will this N4 procedure work on the N7?
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So can one use the Steps to Flash the Android 4.3 Build [Clean FLASH or Retention of Data /w Flash], for the N7? IOW: Will this N4 procedure work on the N7?
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This thread is discussing the new nexus 7, however many nexus operations are similar, so I don't see why it wouldn't work. Just make sure to use the proper filenames for your device.
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Also, how do you change names? My girlfriend set this up but doesn't use the account anymore - or is it best to just start a new account?
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You could try asking an admin, but your best bet would be to just create your own account.
I would say yes but this devicenis more capable. I know LG is known for thermal throttling on their mobile phone line. Those constraints won't apply to this new device. Its able to run hotter longer. So even if not stock, once Roms come out, this device/processor can be pushed alot more than in a phone.
Btw, I disabled thermal throttling. On my LG optimus G pro with Snapdragon 600 and Andreno 320. It runs great. So the S4 can be easily pushed past stock limits with no problem.
Eh, its smooth enough. Really no lag at all, but then again, I never had the 1st Nexus 7, so I don't know if that lagged at all. Overall, I couldn't care less whats inside as long as its smooth and fast for the user (me). The ipad mini has 1/4 the power of this, and it runs just as smooth.
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Isn't this just practically the same spec as the N4? Same CPU, same amount of RAM, GPU etc. etc.?
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Yup it's an oversized N4, just like an iPad is an oversized iPod/iPhone.
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Yup it's an oversized N4, just like an iPad is an oversized iPod/iPhone.
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Except Google actually used a good screen.
NO there internals are different
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Isn't this just practically the same spec as the N4? Same CPU, same amount of RAM, GPU etc. etc.?
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NO there internals are different
Snapdragon s4 pro (1.5GHZ) = uses krait 200 cores
snapdragon 600 (1.7GHZ) = uses krait 300 cores
Nexus 4 SOC - (APQ8064) = four Krait 200 cores + 2GB LPDDR2 RAM +Adreno 320
Nexus 7 SOC - (APQ8064–1AA) = four krait 300 cores which are underclocked + 2GB DDR3L-1600MHz SDRAM + Adreno 320
so basically the New Nexus 7 uses a underclocked Snapdragon 600
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NO there internals are different
Snapdragon s4 pro (1.5GHZ) = uses krait 200 cores
snapdragon 600 (1.7GHZ) = uses krait 300 cores
Nexus 4 SOC - (APQ8064) = four Krait 200 cores + 2GB LPDDR2 RAM +Adreno 320
Nexus 7 SOC - (APQ8064–1AA) = four krait 300 cores which are underclocked + 2GB DDR3L-1600MHz SDRAM + Adreno 320
so basically the New Nexus 7 uses a underclocked Snapdragon 600
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Source please?
I read something like this already, but I'm a bit skeptical about it. Why would Google advertise the lower spec than they actually are?
If this is true, than it's a gamechanger as krait 300 cores are some 30-40% faster than their older (krait200) brothers.
ashbringer said:
Source please?
I read something like this already, but I'm a bit skeptical about it. Why would Google advertise the lower spec than they actually are?
If this is true, than it's a gamechanger as krait 300 cores are some 30-40% faster than their older (krait200) brothers.
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i believe they claim that it's a s4 pro because of it clockspeed alone, most phones out today which use the snapdragon 600 soc have 1.7ghz + clockspeeds
Sources
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-7-2013-s-4-pro-snapdragon-600-249594/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/4
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-7-2013-s-4-pro-snapdragon-600-249594/
Yea we have an underclocked S4 600. So its faster then the N4. Also the memory bus has been increased.
The N72 is faster then the N4 but probably nothing noticeable right now. Perhaps with KLP, the additional memory bus and newer CPU instructions might distance the N72 further away from the N4, but who knows.
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Post on Gsmarena:
"The motherboard has a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 APQ8064-1AA chipset, which as it turns out is a downclocked Snapdragon 600 chipset – four Krait 300 cores (rather than Krait 200) at 1.5Ghz and Adreno 320. There are also four Elpida 512MB RAM chips, SK Hynix 16GB eMMC storage, a Wi-Fi a/b/g/b and BT4.0 capable Qualcomm chip and an Analogix SlimPort transmitter."
PS: Sorry if this piece of info was clarified somewhere else in the forums, I did not found it.
Yes it is a downclocked s600 which comes with krait 300 and lpddr3 ram.
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Yeah, this is a fairly good explanation of why these things are so battery efficient and smooth.
Anybody excited to kick this baby up to stock speed and see how she flies
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swagstr said:
Anybody excited to kick this baby up to stock speed and see how she flies
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It's not exactly a 1.9GHz SD600 (APQ8064T, APQ8064AB) downclocked, but a Krait 300 variant (APQ8064-1AA) that is intended to run at 1.5GHz, so overclocking I'd imagine would come with plenty of throttling and battery consumption.
It really is the perfect HW for current generational need, it's not like we can do pro-grade stuff that needs Core i5 power, so it's best using the stock clock which is well balanced between performance and battery life.
Good suff
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It's not exactly a 1.9GHz SD600 (APQ8064T, APQ8064AB) downclocked, but a Krait 300 variant (APQ8064-1AA) that is intended to run at 1.5GHz, so overclocking I'd imagine would come with plenty of throttling and battery consumption.
It really is the perfect HW for current generational need, it's not like we can do pro-grade stuff that needs Core i5 power, so it's best using the stock clock which is well balanced between performance and battery life.
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I read it was a 1.7Ghz model... Must have been misinformed. She's a beast nonetheless.
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swagstr said:
I read it was a 1.7Ghz model... Must have been misinformed. She's a beast nonetheless.
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I can't imagine overclocking to 1.7 would drain anymore than a percent or 2 of total battery consumption. With the current setup it looks like it can even be done with the same voltage settings to me.
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conan1600 said:
I can't imagine overclocking to 1.7 would drain anymore than a percent or 2 of total battery consumption. With the current setup it looks like it can even be done with the same voltage settings to me.
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I mean, I'm not the type to OC obsessively. I mean, underclock = better battery... But if we could bump up to "stock" it prob wouldn't be that bug of a difference. BUT apparently this model of the S600 is supposed to run at 1.5. I'll probably keep it there.
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On Wikipedia it says that the APQ8064-1AA has a way faster memory speed than the S600 in the HTC One (1600MHz DDR3L 12.8 GB/sec vs. 533MHz LPDDR3 8.5 GB/sec).
I don't know if I can trust it, but...
swagstr said:
I mean, I'm not the type to OC obsessively. I mean, underclock = better battery... But if we could bump up to "stock" it prob wouldn't be that bug of a difference. BUT apparently this model of the S600 is supposed to run at 1.5. I'll probably keep it there.
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Underclocking doesn't necessarily lead to a better battery life. It depends on the efficiency at the actual frequency. If you underclock, the chip needs less current but needs more time to finish the work load because it is slower. So what matters is total energy consumption: W = U * I * t (Voltage * Current * time). So to save energy, the current has to decrease more than the time increases for a given workload. Also we can see that decreasing the voltage (undervolting) also saves energy (in this case we don't loos calculation speed because the frequencies are untouched)
See world record by new iphone 5s which clearly on top all android phones right now...:
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=534985&t=43212
To see if Note 3 is near it all need to do is install droidfish app, set threads to 4 (in settings). From starting position, press M->"Analysis Mode" for 20-30 seconds and check the nps number at the bottom. (pls specifiy if snapdragon or exynos) - For example - see attachment from my note 2...
(EXYNOS - Cortex - VERSION REQUIRED FOR TESTING.)
I'll be honest, I've never heard of this benchmark and I'm struggling to see what I'm looking at here. .. but I ran it because I was curious. Good or bad?
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I have the snap dragon 800 version btw.
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I don't have a Note 3 (damn you Handtec!) but I do have a Snapdragon 800 device (Galaxy S4 LTE-A). When running the benchmark for 20s the score ranged from 560k to 640k.
The Note 3 may perform better, but the S4 didn't hit thermals. It appears that ARM implementations (i.e. Cortex cores) perform better in this benchmark than Krait ones looking at the thread you link to.
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I'll be honest, I've never heard of this benchmark and I'm struggling to see what I'm looking at here. .. but I ran it because I was curious. Good or bad?
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Did you set it to 4 threads in the settings menu? The score in your screenshot is lower than my Note 2...
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I have the snap dragon 800 version btw.
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You can look at the chart (at the link) to see its quite bad...But i wonder if Exynos cpu will do better.
Yep, set to 4 threads. It obviously doesn't like this test much then.
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haelio said:
I don't have a Note 3 (damn you Handtec!) but I do have a Snapdragon 800 device (Galaxy S4 LTE-A). When running the benchmark for 20s the score ranged from 560k to 640k.
The Note 3 may perform better, but the S4 didn't hit thermals. It appears that ARM implementations (i.e. Cortex cores) perform better in this benchmark than Krait ones looking at the thread you link to.
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You are right - it looks like Exynos will do better also on Note 3 - but i want formal test to approve it. (btw, S4 Exynos does 820knps...)
It's not only that benchmark comparisons are pretty much useless , this obscure one OP mentioned seems to be even more useless...
The only thing that is more useless than stuff like that, is mentioning iPhone on an Android forum and of course this thread itself...
It ought to be closed, really .....
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I ran it and it's ranging from 500k-600k-640- then back to 500's nps, snapdragon model.
Not sure what it means though.
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It's not only that benchmark comparisons are pretty much useless , this obscure one OP mentioned seems to be even more useless...
The only thing that is more useless than stuff like that, is mentioning iPhone on an Android forum and of course this thread itself...
It ought to be closed, really .....
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+1
Pointless thread
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betoNL said:
It's not only that benchmark comparisons are pretty much useless , this obscure one OP mentioned seems to be even more useless...
The only thing that is more useless than stuff like that, is mentioning iPhone on an Android forum and of course this thread itself...
It ought to be closed, really .....
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it is not useless as this is very demanding benchmark that pulls the juice out of the cpu....OK - we can ignore the iphone 5s since it is 64bits cpu which gives it real benefit in this kind of test...
But we need Note 3 Exynos result to complete the picture...
The benchmark does an infinite search using the engine. Useful to see how the processor and OS work together to accomplish this. This could also point to differences in design, not necessarily deficiencies.
If anything it will show how fast a chess AI using that engine on that hardware will process.
Real world application? Not so much.
its seems very useless benchmark
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MohJee said:
I ran it and it's ranging from 500k-600k-640- then back to 500's nps, snapdragon model.
Not sure what it means though.
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Short explanation:
http://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Nodes+per+second
Other processors (just to compare to PC/Servers...i know it is not fair..)
http://www.jens-hartmann.at/Fritzmarks/
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its seems very useless benchmark
form my N2
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Same as mine...So, any bets on Note 3 Exynos result? Will it hit 1000k mark?
Need Exynos user to test
Please - if Someone has the Exynos version of the Note 3 - please test.
Someone with Exynos 5420 Note 3 to report result?
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M8 honestly you have a bet or something for this; you will buy a iPhone 5s or a note 3 from this chess thing; all the development of new phones like the 2 you mention are end up been judged by a chess game; I am happy that Apple and Samsung programmers are not Japanese because they would do harakiri
Don't misunderstand me but you can judge things better in your hands after a bit of usage and you can have better opinion easier than to fell to the placebo of benchmarking .
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I understand what you mean... But still benchmark is comparable tool to see which phone will perform better under heavy computation load which tests cpu caches, memory speed, etc - highly tested on chess benchmark on which i know exactly whats is tested compared to other benchmarks that tests so many things and sometimes the result does not mean too much...
It os not only chess - it implies also to other distributed computation workloads - maybe you think who cares for those workloads - but still it gives you insight of the power of the phone in case you will be interested to use it for those workloads.
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