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If froyo is optimized for snapdragon processors then why why samsung used humingbird

If froyo is optimized for snapdragon processors then why samsung used humingbird processor

Why do you assume this? The two cpu's share much in common.
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jaysins said:
Why do you assume this? The two cpu's share much in common.
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benchmarks and system speed

dadyal said:
benchmarks and system speed
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Why would Samsung make their own chip? Put simply, because they can. Samsung has the facilities and expertise needed to make their own chip, and by so doing they avoid the need of purchasing chips from another vendor (in this case, their competition: Qualcomm).
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http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/snapdragon-versus-hummingbird

dadyal said:
If froyo is optimized for snapdragon processors then why samsung used humingbird processor
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because they didn't want to use the ****ty gpu that comes with the original snapdragon (the newer snapdragon like in the dhd has a good gpu).

Because hummingbird is vastly superior in real world scenarios

Quadrant and linpack as well as most CPU benchmarks that rely on math being done by FPU run much quicker on the snapdragon because of its 128 bit register vs hummingbirds 64. I believe the snapdragons can turn half of it off to save power too. This explains part of the benchmarks but the hummingbird has optimizations snapdragon doesn't, and vise versa,but is suppose to be faster in most real world scenarios as Samsung claims and judging by browser load time comparisons I've seen and how well it runs android 2.1 I'd be inclined to agree. It keeps up with a nexus running 2.2 which is very reassuring so I'd worry less on benchmarks if I were you unless you really feel the need to show your friends how fast your phone can calculate pi to nth degree.
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@ darkimmortal, Is it really? Then why does my n1 with its "crap" snapdragon CPU run everything faster?
On paper yes hummingbird is better, but in the real world as you put it, its only as good as the software that runs on it, and I've not found anything yet that runs faster thanks to having a hummingbird than it would on say an n1 or desire.

The sgs is crippled by rfs, no processor can make up for that. In 3d games the sgs out performs any snapdragon based phones
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It keeps up with a nexus running 2.2 which is very reassuring so I'd worry less on benchmarks if I were you unless you really feel the need to show your friends how fast your phone can calculate pi to nth degree.
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No disrespect but a well setup nexus on 2.2 is noticeably faster than even the most streamlined lag fixed sgs. The sgs wins the quadrant benchmark but in actual use the nexus is a fair bit faster.

tameracingdriver said:
@ darkimmortal, Is it really? Then why does my n1 with its "crap" snapdragon CPU run everything faster?
On paper yes hummingbird is better, but in the real world as you put it, its only as good as the software that runs on it, and I've not found anything yet that runs faster thanks to having a hummingbird than it would on say an n1 or desire.
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You take into consideration just the CPU, N1 and SGS's file systems are different resulting in SGS to be bottlenecked; SGS's main plus is the GPU power, try running those types of GPU heavy items on N1 and they will not run as well. That's the main benefit of Hummingbird compared to Snap but don't just rely on comparing CPU's, there are more things at work here.
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No disrespect but a well setup nexus on 2.2 is noticeably faster than even the most streamlined lag fixed sgs. The sgs wins the quadrant benchmark but in actual use the nexus is a fair bit faster.
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Quadrant doesn't mean much, placebo effect at work here. Just a benchmark and doesn't translate (much) into real-world performance. Remember that Google also developed 2.2 almost specifically with Nexus One in mind resulting in more benefits on a N1 than a lot of phones.

lokhor said:
In 3d games the sgs out performs any snapdragon based phone
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Admittedly I've not tried them all, and I admit the sgs runs the graphics benchmarks in quadrant noticeably faster, but the games I've tried all run about the same, so what good is that super powerful gpu if nothing takes advantage of it?

Try some gameloft games like asphalt 5, the sgs is a lot smoother
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Ill give it a try. Games are nice but not my main use, the ones I've tried so far including some 3d ones have been fine on the n1 so far.

Hummingbird is the processor of choice for the two most famous smartphones in the world at the moment. Our best among the rest Galaxy and the Iphone 4. So it's the winners choice.

tameracingdriver said:
Ill give it a try. Games are nice but not my main use, the ones I've tried so far including some 3d ones have been fine on the n1 so far.
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You could try using a GPU benchmark rather than a system wide benchmark to determine GPU power. Neocore for example is strictly GPU and SGS outperforms N1 almost two-fold.
Again, that is a benchmark and you just have to try out different apps and games to test out GPU's for yourself.

Well for what its worth I've just tried asphalt 5, on the n1 and honestly its just as smooth as on the sgs, so in the end I still say there seems no real advantage in the real world.

dnsp said:
Hummingbird is the processor of choice for the two most famous smartphones in the world at the moment. Our best among the rest Galaxy and the Iphone 4. So it's the winners choice.
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makes me wonder, if only Samsung could put iOS4 into Galaxy. we would have the fastest phone for sure,
unfortunately they builded Apple hardware and loaded crapy Android,

tameracingdriver said:
Well for what its worth I've just tried asphalt 5, on the n1 and honestly its just as smooth as on the sgs, so in the end I still say there seems no real advantage in the real world.
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Sorry mate but I have to disagree. Having owned a Nexus One, a HTC Desire and a SGS, I can tell you that the Nexus One was the fastest for opening apps, market, etc. The SGS fell between the nexus and the desire. I think each processor has been optimised for different things.
There is a HUGE difference in the graphics department. Asphalt, especially the old hardware accelerated versions (the new ones are dumbed down so they work on the snapdragon phones) were extremely laggy on the nexus and desire. on the SGS theyre very smooth and dont have the annoying multitouch bug.
Try the other gameloft games (sandstorm), polarbit (toon warz), pretty much all of the (few) 3d intensive apps. Very noticeable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNt1EQYheQ
the difference in performance was the reason I switched, esp the annoying multi touch, and welcomed my way into a world of sgs lag issues and a non working gps
Im not a big gamer but I do occasionally pull out a title. The differences in the processors is also apparent if you use rockplayer to watch videos.
imho, I preferred the hardware and AOSP feel of the nexus but wish the hummingbird processor+gpu had been used instead of the snaprdragon (or alternatively the snapdragon with a better gpu).

sonci said:
makes me wonder, if only Samsung could put iOS4 into Galaxy. we would have the fastest phone for sure,
unfortunately they builded Apple hardware and loaded crapy Android,
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I hope you're kidding on this one!
iOS is a closed system with a closed mind. Apps have to go trough intensive aprouval for the AllMighty and AllKnowing apple before hitting the market and, for small idiotic mistake, like a logo to close to the one of the AllMighty, it won't be aprouved.
And not to talk about all the iTune that you have to install just to get it to sync/update... you think Kies is crappy, try iTune on windows...you'll get a couple of services in the background in bonus with the resource hog app!
And, on another note, you should all take in consideration all the GPU intessive task in android, Gaming is only part of it... don't forget browsing, gallery, video playback (you can record a 720p video and watch it back full fluid).
Frankly, I don't realy get all the fuss about the so called "lag" on SGS... I don't realy get any at all and I'm still on the original (no lag fix) rom...

Discovery(Can I call it so?) about Sensation's and Galaxy S 2's CPUs' performance

Hey guys,a long time ago in a galaxy far far away(well,it was only last week,but I gotta make it sound more dramatic ),I was watching video comparisons of the two phones on youtube and reading others like a maniac,trying to decide which is best.In every review that someone made a benchmark between the two and used Linpack to measure the CPU's power(believe me,there is nothing more reliable for the CPU),the end result was that the Sensation's CPU is better clock for clock marginally.
So there I was earlier today,trying to show myself how good my purchase was,and I was comparing my GS2 with my Desire HD.Before someone comes up and tries to defend the Sensation,bear in mind that:
1)The Sensation's dual-core CPU is actually two identical Scorpion cores,like the one found inside the Desire HD,just overclocked to 1.2GHz insted of 1GHz.
2)Linpack isn't able to properly benchmark dual-core CPUs,so the result you get is from one core.
Now,as most reviews showed,on 1.2GHz(yes,my DHD is rooted etc,check my sig) the scores of the Desire HD were slightly better than those of the GS2.Better...like 46MFLOPS against 45MFLOPS or so.
Then,the spirit of the overclocker took over my mind.So I grab both phones and overclock them all the way up to 1612MHz(usign Tegrak overclock ultimate on my GS2).The results are what I want to point out with this thread.
At that clock speed,the Desire HD struggled to get 60MFLOPS(In fact I don't think it ever reached that much,more like 58-59),while the GS2 was confidently between 63 and 65 MFLOPS.
Bottom line is that the GS2's performance increases in a more "linear" way than the Sensation's.I know most people won't overclock,but I am here to defend our phones!
In case you don't even care or find this thread pointless etc,you can pretty much press your back button and get out without flaming/trolling.Please?

Hey you went to all that effort so ill say good work, and having a positive thread about the gs2 is a good thing so double thumbs up.
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NIK516 said:
Hey you went to all that effort so ill say good work, and having a positive thread about the gs2 is a good thing so double thumbs up.
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Haha!Yep,I thought so!
Well,it's a nice find for me.At least I've proven that the Sensation doesn't have a better CPU as its users would like to believe and boast about!
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erm... aren't sensation and desire hd two different phones? also, you first say that linpack is the best cpu benchmark out there, but then you continue by saying that it cannot test dual core cpu?
i'm a bit confused.

andrej.marinic said:
erm... aren't sensation and desire hd two different phones? also, you first say that linpack is the best cpu benchmark out there, but then you continue by saying that it cannot test dual core cpu?
i'm a bit confused.
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Yep,one doesn't cancel the other.The only benchmarking tool that uses both cores is smartbench 2011 as of now.Others will probably follow.It's not a fault that Linpack doesn't benchmark both cores,the programmers haven't done the coding yet.Just that.
And yes,the Desire HD and the Sensation are different phones,albeit with the same CPU CORE,not the same CPU.
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tolis626 said:
Hey guys,a long time ago in a galaxy far far away(well,it was only last week,but I gotta make it sound more dramatic ),I was watching video comparisons of the two phones on youtube and reading others like a maniac,trying to decide which is best.In every review that someone made a benchmark between the two and used Linpack to measure the CPU's power(believe me,there is nothing more reliable for the CPU),the end result was that the Sensation's CPU is better clock for clock marginally.
So there I was earlier today,trying to show myself how good my purchase was,and I was comparing my GS2 with my Desire HD.Before someone comes up and tries to defend the Sensation,bear in mind that:
1)The Sensation's dual-core CPU is actually two identical Scorpion cores,like the one found inside the Desire HD,just overclocked to 1.2GHz insted of 1GHz.
2)Linpack isn't able to properly benchmark dual-core CPUs,so the result you get is from one core.
Now,as most reviews showed,on 1.2GHz(yes,my DHD is rooted etc,check my sig) the scores of the Desire HD were slightly better than those of the GS2.Better...like 46MFLOPS against 45MFLOPS or so.
Then,the spirit of the overclocker took over my mind.So I grab both phones and overclock them all the way up to 1612MHz(usign Tegrak overclock ultimate on my GS2).The results are what I want to point out with this thread.
At that clock speed,the Desire HD struggled to get 60MFLOPS(In fact I don't think it ever reached that much,more like 58-59),while the GS2 was confidently between 63 and 65 MFLOPS.
Bottom line is that the GS2's performance increases in a more "linear" way than the Sensation's.I know most people won't overclock,but I am here to defend our phones!
In case you don't even care or find this thread pointless etc,you can pretty much press your back button and get out without flaming/trolling.Please?
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In regards to the linpack, i think i've seen the same comparison review. I mentioned it in the same thread that i ran the test and also got near 47MFLOPS when i ran the test. Same thing goes for quadrant, i've hit as high as 3450ish on stock rom and then gotten as low as 2900. I've posted in the same website that their testing method is flawed because they don't run multiple tests

I hate the fact that in comparision reviews between GS2 and Sensation, reviews usually just say both of them use 1.2GHz dual-cores and fail to mention that the CPUs are not the same.
As tolis626 pointed out that the CPU's cores in the sensation are the old Scorpion CPU used in the DHD but have one more core. They are partially out of order, while the Cortex-A9 in GS2 are fully out of order which translate to a win for GS2.
On the Linpack benchmark, it measures floating point performance and Scorpion has a better implementation of floating point unit hence Scorpion is better than Cortex-A9 clock for clock in Linpack. But smartphone application is not bound by floating point performance, according to AnandTech, so we won't see that extra performance all the time.

well I got 48.208MFLOPS without any overclock on my SGS2

Like the majority of users, I'm a noob when it comes to overclocking/rooting/benchmarking, I just haven't gone near it (yet )
I watch others' videos on it. And basically, on the stock browser, on the stock ROM, the GSII always get significantly better than the Sensation....so I'm happy with my purchase. Seems soo pointless going for a "HTC" because it has the "HTC" logo, even though it's browser is poor and it's signal fails.
ok, the above is a stupid troll comment. But you get the point.

nhat2991 said:
I hate the fact that in comparision reviews between GS2 and Sensation, reviews usually just say both of them use 1.2GHz dual-cores and fail to mention that the CPUs are not the same.
As tolis626 pointed out that the CPU's cores in the sensation are the old Scorpion CPU used in the DHD but have one more core. They are partially out of order, while the Cortex-A9 in GS2 are fully out of order which translate to a win for GS2.
On the Linpack benchmark, it measures floating point performance and Scorpion has a better implementation of floating point unit hence Scorpion is better than Cortex-A9 clock for clock in Linpack. But smartphone application is not bound by floating point performance, according to AnandTech, so we won't see that extra performance all the time.
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What I was trying to get at is that the Sensation is NOT better clock for clock,it just gives better numbers at that frequency.It also kneels when underclocked and under terrible load,something the GS2 doesn't suffer from.
Don't be mistaken,the Scorpion CPU core is a really good one.And as far as I'm concerned it's by far better than the CPU of the Hummingbird inside the original GS.What plagues the Sensation is a terrible implementanion of the Scorpion core in a dual-core chipset.We should wait till some devs do their magic on that thing before we can call it worse.
Just my...5 cents,I wrote too much!
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tolis626 said:
And as far as I'm concerned it's [scorpion] by far better than the CPU of the Hummingbird inside the original GS.
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is this a subjective or an objective observation?
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
they both seem quite competitive

vizir said:
is this a subjective or an objective observation?
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
they both seem quite competitive
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Woah,I did state that ONLY the CPU is better on the QSD8255,not that the whole SoC is better than the Hummingbird.The latter was a beast in the graphics department(and still is),so it's more than competitive actually.
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Benchmarks

Tegra got smoked
http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-s-iii-quad-core-benchmarks-blow-us-away-20120503/

Hm.. Tegra 3 seems to win the GPU bench?
Quadrant sucks though. Will be waiting for more benchs.

Here are some other benchmarks (next to quandrant also SunSpider and browsermark)

Quadrant scores -
sgs3
cpu - 12781
memory - 4652
io - 7606
2d - 1000
3d - 2171
total - 5642
S4
cpu - 8505
memory - 7547
io - 6394
2d - 990
3d - 2204
total - 5128
tegra3
cpu - 12493
memory - 3472
io - 4769
2d - 962
3d - 2346
total - 4804
they seem pretty even in cpu/gpu capability. the s4 gets smoked in cpu performance according to those quadrant scores. interesting.. i thought it was faster.

Wow, the S3 doesn't seem to smoke the competition.

im interested about the antutu...can someone bring some more benchmarks?

Even if Tegra got smoked games will look better, so i'm really thinking how the S3 will be better in general use except for benchmarks...
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GPU performance gap between Tegra3 and Exynos4 Quad is huge
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Faster than iPhone4S' powervr sgx543mp2

LOL quadrant sucks so hard. the new mali 400 is killing tegra 3. according to http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview

The benchmarked result http://www.icsforums.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-gets-benchmarked-shows-plenty-promise.html

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The benchmarked result http://www.icsforums.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-gets-benchmarked-shows-plenty-promise.html
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um no
That's stolen straight out of engadget and they have recorded the lowest performance out of any of these tech blog/news sites

Antutu Benchmark available here:

ph00ny said:
um no
That's stolen straight out of engadget and they have recorded the lowest performance out of any of these tech blog/news sites
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In the video above it's got 5324 Quadrant and 11492 Antutu. Not much different from HOX.

Here are some results from the Swedish androidsite "Swedroid". It's in swedish (doh!) but you should be able to look thru the scores anyway
http://www.swedroid.se/hands-on-med-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-forhandsitt/#disqus_thread
In my humble opinion. To say that the exynos "kills" the Tegra 3 is just...plain...wrong.
They seem to be very capable CPUs in both of these beasts!

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In the video above it's got 5324 Quadrant and 11492 Antutu. Not much different from HOX.
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Did you see the gpu scores. Kills tegra 3.
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Imo they are very close to eachother, i would say exynos wins by a little margin could be just the software dragging it down, would love to see a pure ICS build doing the test.

Benchmarks mean squat.. it comes down to user experience.. if u can really feel the difference.. also, apps need to be fine tuned for quad core too.. so I guess u won't feel an actual difference..
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jits1988 said:
Benchmarks mean squat.. it comes down to user experience.. if u can really feel the difference.. also, apps need to be fine tuned for quad core too.. so I guess u won't feel an actual difference..
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good benchmark do shows the raw power of the mobile, its never meant to test the user experience.

jits1988 said:
Benchmarks mean squat.. it comes down to user experience.. if u can really feel the difference.. also, apps need to be fine tuned for quad core too.. so I guess u won't feel an actual difference..
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All the hands-on video clip made it seemed as if s3 is doing great in general ui transitions. It was noticeably quicker when used side by side.

Always astounds me how people are judging by benchmarks. I mean, its a phone, not a server station.
I wont be running virtual machines for rendering movies on it. I wont be playing Crysis 3 on it.
I`ll phone, message, watch clips, pictures, surf and use navigation. Even the single core phones can do that perfectly.

Snapdragon 600 vs Snapdragon S4 Pro

Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...

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The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...
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I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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From anandtech:
[snapdragon 600] "This is quad core Krait 300 (as opposed to 200 in MSM8960 or APQ8064) which brings a 15 percent increase in IPC as well as higher clocks (from 1.5 to 1.7 GHz), for about 20–30 percent higher overall CPU performance"
20 - 30% So significant but not huge.

fredcorp6 said:
I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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I read on snapdragon s4 pro and compare it with spec of snapdragon 600 "the only" difference i got is memory technology, s4pro uses 533MHz LPDDR2 and 600 uses LPDDR3
Edit: our phone not made for benchmark, i read somewhere on google+ someone wrote about it.
Btw nexus is always behind in terms of benchmarking, but if you compare the smoothness even galaxy nexus is still so smooth.
Here is the link https://plus.google.com/u/0/101093310520661581786/posts/Q1yVmqtubG9 its exynos4 saga by one of exynos cm maintainer, but he give a reason why our benchmark not as good as optimus G.
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Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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+1 Please

Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Well because sometimes its a good way of comparing the performance of 2 phones - unfortunately not the case with a nexus I've just learned. Eyeball is very subjective, benchmarks are not (well they shouldn't be!).
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lol @ benchmarks please welcome to technology soon as you bought the phone it was considered OLD !

But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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S4 Pro is still quick and i can see it being developed in devices for another 2+ years. i would safely assume low end tablets would also start using it when the price of these chips are reduced

Never cared about benchmarks, Even with the PCs I build. I over clock my pcs as much as possible for REAL WORLD usage and as long as they allow me to do everything I want and more and visually everything looks and feels fine and is stable, I'm good to go. Same applies with these phones. The nexus has top of the line internals and stock android allows this phone to be the way it was meant to. Now I have flashed asylum which is awesome, and I have used just about every kernel. I do notice differences in kernels “cough, matrix is the best, cough", but the differences are “seat of the pants" which is a curse in my opinion. Benchmarking stresses components, and at the price of these things why take a chance of shortening its life.
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tuilalnvinh said:
But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need

CheesyNutz said:
benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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That is my point right there.
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CheesyNutz said:
benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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My G2x used to get pretty high benchmarks... I hated that phone.
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Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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ksubedi said:
Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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Yeah its my understanding that quadrant is also really easy to spoof
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AW: Snapdragon 600 vs Snapdragon S4 Pro
So far I can see only devices with Android 4.1, or less, score pretty high with Krait cores. We havn't any other phone with 4.2 and snapdragon CPU to compare fairly.

The dual core S3 in my Xperia S doesn't feel any difference to the quad core S4 Pro in my Nexus 4 in every day use so i aint going to lose any sleep.

The number I heard thrown around was 40% faster on paper, or theoretically. Real world applications that may translate to less but still somewhat significant depending on your use case.
The kicker is it seems to still be the Adreno 320, is that higher clocked than the S4 Pro? If not it's pushing more pixels in the HTC One.

Just get straight to the point!

Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?

hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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I would say the Snapdragon 800 because more devs would get it= more roms, better clock speed, better battery life because of chipset enhancements, faster charging because of chipset enhancements. If none of those matter to you get the Exynos version.
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hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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Define performance.
Then we talk. My definition of performance is much different from that of my neighbour.

Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same

XDA HellHound said:
Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same
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To be technical, it seems that Exynos benchmarks are slightly higher. However, I believe that is without the HMP update. With that, scores will skyrocket.

I can't make my mind up whether to get snapdragon 800 version or exynos 5420. By performance i mean which can do more multitasking and which can run apps faster etc

From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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Sammath said:
From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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One thing that pushes me towards the exynos is that it has 1866 ram speed whereas snapdragon only has 800
Which do you think will be better in the long run?

^^^ forgot to mention that because exynos has higher ram speed then that means quicker performance.
So, which one should I get? Will there really be any difference between the performance of exynos 5420 and snapdragon 800?

You really do seem to have an attitude in your posts. Anyways, the phone isn't out yet so all anybody has is benchmarks to go by. Not a lot of real world use reviews out there to compare the two.
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I guess the ram speed can be neglected in real life usage. The s4 with the s600 feels the same as the octa version to me. And that is while the octa s4 obliterated the s600 in Antutu and some other Benchmarks. Like I've said before, if you want lte and better rom support get the s800 one. If you're really spec whoring get a 8 core exynos.
Anyways, from what I've seen so far the s800 seems to be faster in Antutu but not that much so I guess they will be at the same level of performance.
I would get any device I could get which for me is the s800 since I'm from the Netherlands.
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S800
LTE
Better support
Benchmark mean absolutely nothing and are a terrible way if measuring a phone. I've seen plenty if phones have high numbers but real world experience sucked.
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Easy. Snapdragon since there will be much more support for it from developers.

Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.

designgears said:
Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.
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Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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Source? Cause idk about that....

kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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I thought they were. Wasn't it something like a Heterogeneous or HMP update.

SgtGoldy said:
Source? Cause idk about that....
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was news a few weeks ago.......
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-update-to-become-true-octa-core-chip_id47353
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...a-software-new-hardware-not-needed-after-all/

kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.

designgears said:
It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.
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Let me tell you some preludes:
The reason behind using 8 cores was to put in a pair of four aggressively powerful quad processors like the cortex A15 with another pair of less powerful yet more power efficient four quad processors like cortex A7.
This is the main intention behind putting all these 8 cores of ARM's big.little architecture. The purpose is to let the A15s handle power hungry tasks like web page opening, playing an asphalt 8 game etc while the a7s would handle "simple" tasks. This is more vividly demoed in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwbeb08W27U
Now, the way you are saying it is not a true 8 core processor as if you are
1. demanding 8 cortex A15 processors using 28 nm technology.
Do you know/have any idea what could happen if they all be available online at the same time in this case?
or
2. you knew there was a "true" octa core processor in the world, to be (or already) implemented in another device. IF SO, point us to that device and also explain what is the ideal to call a processor true 8 core.
It was never an intention of ARM to put eight A15s (for example) available for heterogeneous multi-processing.
Go here. Again 64 bit A57s are to be paired with 32 bit A52s.
Even the S4 equipped with exynos 5410 is an octa core processor device. It is just that the bloody CCI (cache coherence interconnector, CCI400) was crippled to enable all the 8 cores available online. Once the 8 cores packed in a SoC like this it is an octa core processor device. Whether or not you like it to call true 8 core.
Samsung/ARM worked on this and released another SoC (in the form of upgraded exynos) which has a working CCI that is free from the above mentioned flaw(s) which will have Cluster Migration by default and will receive the update that is made from Linaro team to enable all the 8 cores available online and therefore will become a "TRULY WORKING" 8 core processor which is implemented in Note 3.
These are facts, these have been heavily discussed in the general section of Samsung Galaxy S4 forums.
Oh, another thing- just because all these 8 cores are made to be available online it does not mean all the 8 cores will be working Simultaneously regardless of what application is in the process. Depending on the needs of the app(s) all these 8 cores (ranging from 1 core to the extreme case- 8 cores) can be used. If an app needs 4 cores, they can be used. If it needs 6 cores then they can be used. If it needs 8 cores then they can be used.
I personally am curious to see how it be going when all the 8 cores were used for an app.
And to the OP who's demadning a straight answer, my thoughts:
we do not know anything atm how power efficient and cool it'd be to have the HMP doing all these tasks. This requires
real life buyers buy the device
start playing with it
see how hot the device becomes (compared to another exynos device like s4).
It actually depends on those stuffs. You demand the answer as if we all knew from the beginning how exynos 5420 gonna perform in real life.