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I was thinking, can't google just release a open-sourced release that can be used for ALL android phones? I understand why Samsung would want its Touchwiz in it, and tmobile would want their apps in the phone, but if Google started doing that, would it work? Like they put out a few versions of the next Android, and it just starts working? The different versions could be that theres one for small screens, bigger screens etc.
I'm just thinking, couldn't they just eliminate fragmentation with that?
What about drivers for the phone? Those are closed sourced most of the time, They release them for the nexus though.
Google can definitely release the rom, or the aosp as they do but can't be fully functional with drivers. Like cm7 early on for our phone but I believe they reversed engineered the drivers
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xriderx66 said:
I was thinking, can't google just release a open-sourced release that can be used for ALL android phones? I understand why Samsung would want its Touchwiz in it, and tmobile would want their apps in the phone, but if Google started doing that, would it work? Like they put out a few versions of the next Android, and it just starts working? The different versions could be that theres one for small screens, bigger screens etc.
I'm just thinking, couldn't they just eliminate fragmentation with that?
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They already do.
That's what AOSP is.
I agree, Google should handle OS updates the same way Windows/Linux operate. Google should release the OS with compatible drivers for all devices.
As long as your phone has the specs to run the latest OS fast enough, great!
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I agree, Google should handle OS updates the same way Windows/Linux operate. Google should release the OS with compatible drivers for all devices.
As long as your phone has the specs to run the latest OS fast enough, great!
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Since when has Linux or Windows come with all the drivers? Have you ever done a fresh install of Windows or Linux before?
This is known as Fragmentation.
You have many choices/options of hardware but it's up to manufactures & carriers to provide compatible drivers.
Hence, iPhone & Nexus phones are so stable. I think Samsung is skating on thin ice by offering their Galaxy S to too many carriers with too many variables.
My next phone will be Nexus Prime/Galaxy Nexus!!!!
Sigh
I realize that everyone has differing opinions on this, but this isn't "fragmentation" in the same manner that Google refers to "fragmentation". I'm not picking, but it's the most misused phrase in the Android world. Fragmentation isn't about different devices with different drivers and individual frameworks like TouchWiz, Sense and Motoblur. Fragmentation is about companies doing things like installing Android on hardware that doesn't meet minimum specs (yes, Google has minimum/recommended hardware specifications), and running devices that are cut off from the Market altogether.
The reason why that's called "fragmentation" is because it's a poor representation of Android. It may be open source, but it's still being used in a manner not intended.
But then people would just expect their"old"phones to do new things. Why upgrade software when Tmobile wants you to buy new hardware.
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Since when has Linux or Windows come with all the drivers? Have you ever done a fresh install of Windows or Linux before?
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Yes I've done a fresh install of win 7 and Kubuntu, and both find all the drivers I need flawlessly. Took Kubuntu/Ubuntu a while to be as easy as windows, but it's there now.
Really don't know what you meant either, Windows 7 goes and finds all the drivers you need if it doesn't already have a compatible one. It is a flawless easy install.
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Yes I've done a fresh install of win 7 and Kubuntu, and both find all the drivers I need flawlessly. Took Kubuntu/Ubuntu a while to be as easy as windows, but it's there now.
Really don't know what you meant either, Windows 7 goes and finds all the drivers you need if it doesn't already have a compatible one. It is a flawless easy install.
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The key words are "find drivers." Windows automatically finds what driver you need by downloading them from the net. Google would have to create a program that lets you update while getting required drivers..
I think that why ima go with the Nexus Prime. Its basically a GS2 but you get the android updates (I think)
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What about drivers for the phone? Those are closed sourced most of the time, They release them for the nexus though.
Google can definitely release the rom, or the aosp as they do but can't be fully functional with drivers. Like cm7 early on for our phone but I believe they reversed engineered the drivers
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False. Google gets the device first, loads Android on it the way they would like it loaded, drivers and all, and then hands it back to the manufacturer. The manufacturer then changes the source as they choose.
They make drivers for parts they didn't manufacturer? That makes no sense.
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They make drivers for parts they didn't manufacturer? That makes no sense.
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I don't know but it wouldn't be too hard to get drivers from part/chip manufacturers.
Doesn't Microsoft make drivers to parts they didn't manufacturer?
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I don't know but it wouldn't be too hard to get drivers from part/chip manufacturers.
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Apparently it is. See: Vibrant GPS.
Doesn't Microsoft make drivers to parts they didn't manufacturer?
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No. There are generic drivers based upon standards, like NDIS, VGA, etc... that are freely available to distribute and provide very basic functionality. Non-standards drivers (that is, most drivers used since about 1994) are proprietary and must be obtained from the manufacturer.
Or do you not recall having to go out and search for hours to find the right drivers for windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, and Me (uggh)? Ever use linux before the likes of apt-get/yum and automated gui installs? Install printers over parallel ports? Serial mice?
I'm gonna guess no.
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Apparently it is. See: Vibrant GPS.
No. There are generic drivers based upon standards, like NDIS, VGA, etc... that are freely available to distribute and provide very basic functionality. Non-standards drivers (that is, most drivers used since about 1994) are proprietary and must be obtained from the manufacturer.
Or do you not recall having to go out and search for hours to find the right drivers for windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, and Me (uggh)? Ever use linux before the likes of apt-get/yum and automated gui installs? Install printers over parallel ports? Serial mice?
I'm gonna guess no.
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god thats a pain in the ass.
xriderx66 said:
god thats a pain in the ass.
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I do not miss those days. Not a single bit.
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Apparently it is. See: Vibrant GPS.
No. There are generic drivers based upon standards, like NDIS, VGA, etc... that are freely available to distribute and provide very basic functionality. Non-standards drivers (that is, most drivers used since about 1994) are proprietary and must be obtained from the manufacturer.
Or do you not recall having to go out and search for hours to find the right drivers for windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, and Me (uggh)? Ever use linux before the likes of apt-get/yum and automated gui installs? Install printers over parallel ports? Serial mice?
I'm gonna guess no.
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Who cares about windows 95, it's almost 2012 and Win 7 has practically all the compatible drivers you need upon install, and if it doesn't it searches and finds it for you. Not to mention windows update notifies you of new updated drivers also.
There is no reason Google can't direct Android in the same direction to make everything easier. They just have to work out deals probably with hardware/chip manufacturers for drivers or something. I think it would also help end fragmentation if Google just handled the OS release and updates and took the control away from phone manufacturers and carriers.
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Who cares about windows 95, it's almost 2012 and Win 7 has practically all the compatible drivers you need upon install, and if it doesn't it searches and finds it for you. Not to mention windows update notifies you of new updated drivers also.
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So that answers that.
It helps to know a tiny bit of history to understand why things are the way they are. How old are you? 14?
There is no reason Google can't direct Android in the same direction to make everything easier.
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Except for that whole "open source" thing.
They just have to work out deals probably with hardware/chip manufacturers for drivers or something.
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"or something" being the important part here. How, exactly is google going to "work out deals" with driver manufacturers, when they don't have any control over what hardware each phone uses? Moreover, unlike Android (which is distributed under the GPL) drivers are proprietary and don't fall under the same GPL license. Different driver manufacturers may have different licensing models with different handset makers as well. What microsoft does is quite different. But since you don't know anything about the history, I'm really not going to waste my time detailing Microsoft's approach, or the fact that it took them about 20 years to get there.
I think it would also help end fragmentation if Google just handled the OS release and updates and took the control away from phone manufacturers and carriers.
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That would end fragmentation a whole lot, because phone manufacturers and carriers would no longer sell Android devices, and we'd go back to iOS and Blackberry (or WP7). Chances are, manufacturer profit margins would go up if they did that, since there'd be less competition, and less room for hardware innovation too. That sure would be easier though.
A simple fix
a simple fix to this whole fragmentation problem would be:
1. Android Release all OS Updates
2. Each device manufacturer uploads individual device drivers to google just like github maintainers take care of each device like cyanogenmod
3. Service Providers like T-Mobile/AT&T/Verizon could issue updates and customizations to the market. Just like T-Mobile does, they have their own T-Mobile Market Section. This would allow them to add customizations to the launcher, and certain apps. Google could have an Agreement with each provider that when your phone updates, it could either WGet updates, or have the market auto download and install them.
This is a simple fix. Stupid Simple, because it would make all manufacturers device maintainers, updates are central organized, and everyone can get their updates, manually or automatically.
Thank you reuthermonkey.
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Is it possible? I'd like to have it on my galaxy tab 7.7
I'm sure it would be possible.. For Microsoft.
Windows is a closed source operating system, meaning there can never be a direct port to your device. The closest someone could do is perhaps a bootloader that would allow it to run but you would still have other problems like drivers.
Not to mention the required boot security features that Windows 8 is rumored to have on the ARM version.
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Remember Microsoft said that windows 7 would not ever have a successful license hack. that happened and quite quickly at that. Give it time and the devs, specifically the black hatters, will get the security opened and then we'll have some very interesting ports.
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Awesome!
Eun-Hjzjined said:
Remember Microsoft said that windows 7 would not ever have a successful license hack. that happened and quite quickly at that. Give it time and the devs, specifically the black hatters, will get the security opened and then we'll have some very interesting ports.
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I understand that but a license hack is a whole different monster. This is taking an operating system that theoretically doesn't support the OP's device and making it work. Even if it can be made to boot, we'd still need input drivers, display drivers for it's GPU, etc.
Maybe possible if the ARM version uses a WinCE style BSP, but that's speculation I suppose.
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I suppose that they will use something similar to what they use on wp7 devices. And in that case we could see derivatives of those drivers running under arm-win8
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your biggest problem is drivers, assuming you get around the security and get it installed, you will need drivers, and traditionally, OEM built devices don't always have openly available drivers to every platform Esp, ARM devices
you would need to hope that Win RT uses some of the same hardware on its own devices, enabling us to take the drivers from those devices and install them on your own ex android device.
and given that Win RT isn't a user installable OS your looking at having to build images with the drivers available, flash it, and hope that it works!
to be honest, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Well, that is how WinCE/Embedded works and look how well it can be "ported" (if that can be said as the right word for this.) around.
A small hypothetical situation:
Someone hacks out drivers for the Galaxy Tab's components and just happens to release a version compatible with WinRT-ARM, That's fine. Someone with the WinRT Platform Builder creates an image targeting the Galaxy Tab, even better. But the problem would be getting the Galaxy Tab to actually boot something that isn't recognized by the device's inbuilt bootloader (Theoretically this could be bypassed like the Android phones that can dual-boot WM7). Only then, after you get a bootloader to actually bootstrap and start the image created will you be able to run "Windows 8 for ARM" on a Galaxy Tab.
The above situation is the only, only possible way you'd be able to get it to work.
Also, It seems even then it wouldn't work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466400&page=2
opps screwed up
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IHATEHIPSTERS said:
Is it possible? I'd like to have it on my galaxy tab 7.7
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Rumor is WOA (windows on arm) will require efi (locked boot loader).
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i am also a 7.7 user. very disappointed with honeycomb's performance so far i would love to see win8 here
what about missing windows button? it is very necessary in metro
Use custom lancher with moded windos 8
IF I HELPED PRESS THE THANKS BUTOM OR DONATE ME IN ORDER TO BUY A NEW PHONE AND CONTINUE THE DEV.
Pator57 said:
Use custom lancher with moded windos 8
IF I HELPED PRESS THE THANKS BUTOM OR DONATE ME IN ORDER TO BUY A NEW PHONE AND CONTINUE THE DEV.
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The OP wants to install Windows 8 on his tablet, not a custom launcher. Although if you want the metro experience, a Launcher like Launcher7 or such would probably be the best choice.
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Rumor is WOA (windows on arm) will require efi (locked boot loader).
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Microsoft stopped calling it WOA a while back, they now call it WinRT.
And EFI (or UEFI to be precise) doesn't imply boot signature checking, rather it is a next generation bootstrap that replaces the long dated PC BIOS with many improvements. My current PC does an EFI boot, and there is no signature checking involved.
Rather, in order to have signature checking, EFI is a requirement. (Signature checking is also a requirement to run the x86 version of Windows 8 OEM channel license, by the way.)
But that is only one among many problems (and not the hardest one, BTW) that will prevent you from running WinRT on non Microsoft approved ARM systems. The biggest problem will be creating a driver set that is compatible with the hardware.
It's going to be hard to find developers who will take on such a project since not only is it a huge time investment, but it's liable to get you sued by Microsoft.
Anything can be hacked given time and patience, but Win RT will be a tough nut to crack. You will have to have to find an exploit to unlock/replace the bootloader and likely write custom firmware. Given what a b!#@h the Lumia 900 has been to unlock, it may be a long time.
The good news is that Windows 8 (at least full Win 8) is moving to a class driver model which makes the likelihood of cross device compatibility much more likely than in the past. Base drivers could very well be standard across the respective ARM families and OEMs are likely to reprovision standard chassis designs for both Windows RT and ICS (much like WP7, a la Samsung Galaxy and Focus).
There are still too many questions to accurately guess, but we'll know more soon.
Does anyone know whether we can change our NOTE to windows 7 mango like this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1914621
+1 buddy.
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Ajseter said:
Does anyone know whether we can change our NOTE to windows 7 mango like this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1914621
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There are a few applications on the market that will allow you to mimic the style of it without having to actually flash modifications over-top of the system. Launcher7, StatusBar+ to name a few. Neither require root or modification.
+1, Though I'm a noobie, I would love to try Original Windows Phone 7 or 8 rom on my Galaxy Note, If possible with dual boot feature
Lol there's no "windows 7/8 rom", it's just a collection of apps someone packaged together and called a rom. You can make any phone on any firmware look exactly like that right now.
Apple innovates and Samsung copies, huh? Tell that to my Galaxy Note.
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There are a few applications on the market that will allow you to mimic the style of it without having to actually flash modifications over-top of the system. Launcher7, StatusBar+ to name a few. Neither require root or modification.
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This is really the best advice on the matter. Whilst you may be capable of flashing your device (I do not know of your Android experiences, but I certainly don't classify myself as "capable" of doing so), why risk it when free applications found on the marketplace offer the same functionality? Although, if I am honest, I don't particularly like the "Metro UI" of Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 8, Windows RT and Windows 8.
Microsoft stuff is closed source, so although there may be a way to flash the rom, the kernel would never be able to activate any of the hardware, so you'd have no phone, no accelerometer, buttons wouldn't work, it would be completely pointless. The only way to do it is as said, to imitate it with custom launchers etc.
Launcher7 is fantastic btw, and the dev does good work on updates, highly recommend it.
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This is probably the wrong place to ask, but I'm going to anyway .
Can you run standard Windows (PC) applications and games on their mobile version? For example I have a (windows) game that I play a lot on my laptop, would it run on windows mobile?
Thanks .
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This is probably the wrong place to ask, but I'm going to anyway .
Can you run standard Windows (PC) applications and games on their mobile version? For example I have a (windows) game that I play a lot on my laptop, would it run on windows mobile?
Thanks .
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No, different platforms.
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Windows 8 CAN run on arm, we know that. Or at least, a modified version can anyway. What do you reckon our chances of getting a Windows 8 port to our devices? Maybe a port from Microsoft's Slate Tablet? Maybe the only thing preventing this would be legal issues?
I realise some XDA members may find this proposal ridiculous, but I thought I'd just put it out there anyway .
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Windows RT isn't open source and comes only preloaded onto devices; I don't think it's happening
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Surely Microsoft would be happy to sell Nexus 7 owners a license. Its worth asking xD
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but HTC HD2 got windows phone 7 port...
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Surely Microsoft would be happy to sell Nexus 7 owners a license. Its worth asking xD
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Wouldn't happen for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that the Nexus 7 does not meet the minimum hardware requirements set forth by Microsoft for Windows RT tablets. Secondly, it would further undercut their OEM contracts since RT is currently only licensed to them. Thirdly, there's a lack of drivers for our hardware. Fourthly, the bootloader would need to be locked down tightly with no way to unlock.
Finally, I highly doubt you'd ever see it ported, as any dev who did try would find themselves on the losing end of a rather substantial lawsuit coming out of Redmond.
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Why would you want to downgrade your N7 anyway? That's like installing Windows 95 on your 3rd gen Core i7 desktop.
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Wouldn't happen for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that the Nexus 7 does not meet the minimum hardware requirements set forth by Microsoft for Windows RT tablets. Secondly, it would further undercut their OEM contracts since RT is currently only licensed to them. Thirdly, there's a lack of drivers for our hardware. Fourthly, the bootloader would need to be locked down tightly with no way to unlock.
Finally, I highly doubt you'd ever see it ported, as any dev who did try would find themselves on the losing end of a rather substantial lawsuit coming out of Redmond.
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While I don't technically disagree with what you're saying (Port is unlikely), I do disagree with some of your reasoning. The requirements of Windows 8 compared to the Nexus 7 are irrelevant, XDA is all about getting devices to do things they were never designed to do in the first place. The HD2 is a great example of this, as it runs ports of every major mobile OS out there (as well as a few not-so-major ones). This kind of shows that how it affects OEMs is somewhat irrelevant as the same thing can be said about most devices from the Windows Phone/CE days. Even if that were true, the numbers of people who would actually buy a Nexus 7 just to install Windows 8 on it (or who WOULDN'T buy a Windows 8 tablet because they can use their N7) are probably very small.
Similarly, I don't think Microsoft has ever taken any of our developers to court. A C&D might get sent out, but that's probably the height of it. It certainly hasn't prevented developers from trying before.
I think the bootloader is completely irrelevant as well, why does the bootloader have to be locked down? To meet Microsoft's licensing requirements? That doesn't make any sense, nothing would be licensed (Which is what makes the whole thing a grey area for sure) so licensing requirements don't matter. The fact that we have reasonable control over the bootloader is actually a massive advantage.
The real issue that you've mentioned is regarding drivers. There's very few RT tablets out there right now so there isn't a lot of drivers we can pilfer (Although it probably will help that Surface is based off of Tegra 3 - which is what the N7 uses, albeit not the same type). Never mind that, not a lot of research into RT has happened just yet so the ability to pilfer ANYTHING is up for debate right now - surface is certainly going to be locked down to a large extent and as far as I'm aware there aren't going to be any System Dumps lying around that we can use either so there's a lot to do before even considering porting to something like the N7. I doubt anything like that would happen any time soon and by the time it does (assuming it ever does), the N7 might be old hat. None the less, I wouldn't rule it out as a definite no, just more of an extremely long shot for now.
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surface is certainly going to be locked down to a large extent and as far as I'm aware there aren't going to be any System Dumps lying around that we can use either so there's a lot to do before even considering porting to something like the N7. I doubt anything like that would happen any time soon
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Lol it's a Microsoft/Windows device. With their track record, there'll probably be a system dump before customers even start receiving devices
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Then again since when have we ever seen windows mobile os's ported over to android devices on this site, I've seen an ipod touch run android in my lifetime, but never any ports of Windows mobile 5, 6, 7 to any devices, but we ran android on windows mobile devices using haret.
I've toyed around with Windows Mobile 8 and Windows 8, it kinda reminds me of what windows ME was supposed to be ( being sarcastic) , it's a good OS but nothing to loose sleep over. By next year we will be asking for a Windows Mobile 9 port that will also never come to light.
At least we have Ubuntu running unoptimized on our N7............
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put win8 on desktop
http://www.splashtop.com/home
^install that
Profit
HD2 Can, why not Nexus?!
Cotulla, from this very forum!
HTC HD2 runs Windows RT...
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/htc-hd2-refuses-to-die-now-runs-windows-rt/
Very talented developer. He got further than I ever expected.
Wake me if he ever makes it do anything useful.
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You can always use Splashtop 2 to mirror you windows 8 PC to your Nexus 7.It works surprisingly well.
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You can always use Splashtop 2 to mirror you windows 8 PC to your Nexus 7.It works surprisingly well.
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So I can remote into a Mac, does that mean it can run Mac OS as well. This is useless.
wondows architecture is x86 based. windows rt is arm based. on nexus7 impossible to running windows desktop os. however, its possible to running windows rt on nexus7 if it's bootloader unlocked and customized for booting win rt.
I can run Windows 7...
Theoretically, I am able to run Windows 8 Developer/Consumer Preview or Windows 8.1 PAE/NX Patched.
BUT THIS IS SO... SLOW
Is it possible to use an OEM license from a dead laptop to install Windows 8 on a different PC?
I have 2 custom built PCs that are running illegal installations of Windows 7 that i'd like to get on Windows 8. I have access to dead discarded laptops like dell, hp and acer, many with their license stickers still on them. I'd like to know if i can install Windows XP, Vista or 7 onto my custom PCs using an OEM license from the old laptops, and then upgrade to Windows 8 from there.
Your situation is proooobably not allowed in here, but let's say "you corrupted your win 7 installation." I think you can install from consumer preview with an upgrade disk.
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Ok, i just did some googling and found that using an OEM license on any computer other than the one it came with, wont work.
Im basically trying to find a way to get Windows 8 for $40, but i have no legal upgrade path available. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Jaa-Yoo said:
Ok, i just did some googling and found that using an OEM license on any computer other than the one it came with, wont work.
Im basically trying to find a way to get Windows 8 for $40, but i have no legal upgrade path available. Any suggestions?
Thanks
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Well Technically if you have an OEM install disc you could place an hard drive from one of those machines in your custom rig (if you don't want to override the 7 install) and install the OEM version on your custom rig run the upgrade tool it should pick up your hardware from that and you can get a key. As of your Win7 (illegal ) stuff just copy the files over that you need or change the boot option to the one you upgraded as primary boot device.
The OEM key is just that an OEM key, if it was never used to actually install an OS then it is still open. Once used it is locked to the hardware it was installed on first. Meaning mostly the motherboard. If you say buy a new motherboard and you had an OEM install you would need to purchase a new license.
Thanks for the info.
that's not exactly true
in fact its not true at all
due to various issues ive essentially done what you want to do all be it mine were completely legal reasons
go on to an old laptop or desktop running Win Xp, vista or 7
run the upgrade assistant
buy the win 8 upgrade key,
copy it down (you get an email if you forget)
abort installation
go to computer you want to upgrade, use a downloaded ISO to install Win 8
use product key your obtained earlier
done
it works just fine
in my case, Instead of farting around with other devices I simply installed Vista to a VM on my computer, I had it activated then ran the upgrade assistant, purchased the code then used an ISO to install Win 8 with the perfectly legit code. Note that in order to run the upgrade assistant you will need a valid older OS, but if you have legit software on them then you are laughing.
I don't support piracy in the slightest, however there are legitimate reasons for doing this which is why I posted it, I suppose its better to have BEEN a pirate and change your ways to be legal then to just steal it all together.
Of course there are ethical reasons around the "upgrade" part, you need to have a previous OS to upgrade, I suppose if you retired the older original PC then technically it isn't completely illegal, but it is very very grey!
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I don't support piracy in the slightest, however there are legitimate reasons for doing this which is why I posted it, I suppose its better to have BEEN a pirate and change your ways to be legal then to just steal it all together.
Of course there are ethical reasons around the "upgrade" part, you need to have a previous OS to upgrade, I suppose if you retired the older original PC then technically it isn't completely illegal, but it is very very grey!
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Ahh, a pirate after my heart. I like the analogy and post
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Ahh, a pirate after my heart. I like the analogy and post
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ha, believe what you must, its the bloody upgrade assistant that was to blame for my issues, stupid thing, MS tech support told me ,"just find another pc an run it on that" so I did.
What's really interesting is I read back your post in a pirate accent....curious Indeed!
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Well, you can upgrade from a non-legal copy of Windows 7 to a legal copy of Windows 8. The Upgrade Assistant runs fine on a non-legal copy of Win 7.
I'm pretty sure MS allowed it to happen because: why not get the Win 7 pirates to pay for Win 8 (since its cheap anyways)?
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/10/windows-8-pro-upgrade-experience/
Tested on 2 separate systems.
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Well, you can upgrade from a non-legal copy of Windows 7 to a legal copy of Windows 8. The Upgrade Assistant runs fine on a non-legal copy of Win 7.
I'm pretty sure MS allowed it to happen because: why not get the Win 7 pirates to pay for Win 8 (since its cheap anyways)?
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/10/windows-8-pro-upgrade-experience/
Tested on 2 separate systems.
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absolutely agree, which is why im happy to post that, and as you said, MS could have quite easily stopped it working or ran another activation check so by there inaction I think its ok to assume MS doesn't have an issue, so long as you pay up!
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ha, believe what you must, its the bloody upgrade assistant that was to blame for my issues, stupid thing, MS tech support told me ,"just find another pc an run it on that" so I did.
What's really interesting is I read back your post in a pirate accent....curious Indeed!
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It wasn't meant in any negative way, I like the way you think. Hell, we've all spent enough money buying Microsoft products that it should be cheap and simple. I like any way I can find to skirt the system, but remain legally acceptable.
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jlangleyrn said:
It wasn't meant in any negative way, I like the way you think. Hell, we've all spent enough money buying Microsoft products that it should be cheap and simple. I like any way I can find to skirt the system, but remain legally acceptable.
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apologies, I wasn't meaning to come across negative, it was you starting with an "Ah," that got me reading in a pirate accent