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Windows Phone 7 on Xoom

Would it be possible to run Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom you think. I know theJPhone part won't work. But just to see how it might look and run. Just a thought.

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Mods should delete the OP instead.

I sure hope not... eww.

Agreed.
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Windows 7 isn't supported on Tegra processors. Thats why you won't be able to install it.

i hope noone who has the ability to maybe realize that is trashing his abilities so hard.

Maybe Windows 8 as its supposed to support ARM processor instructions. Start looking for a leaked beta soon.
Also for future reference only post in the Development section if your developing something (an application or ROM). This doesn't include asking about developing something.

Hey All,
So can I just ask why?
I mean I have a Windows Phone 7 phone as my backup/work phone (benefit of being in IT I get to not order my self a blackberry or an Iphone) and I can honestly say its a nice device and have owned 3 different generations of Zunes. Battery life is excellent and the UI is nice and clean and it works well. If I wasn't as vested as I was in android I would possibly consider making that the OS of my primary phone (which is currently a Droid X) once they have them on good old Verizon and HDMI out. That being said even good old Microsoft (who I actually really like) has said Windows Phone 7 is a phone only OS and not meant to be run on tablets. The whole design of the OS actually kind of falls apart if you imagine it on a large display since its novelty instead of having sub windows have everything on one horizontally long display, with the sub menu features essentially hidden off screen.
Now as for Windows 7, as of this point it wouldn't be possible. Windows 7 currently supports only x86 and x64 chips and google stopped supporting these processor types in android after 1.6. Which is the odd reason why some of those new dual boot android/win7 tabs all use android 1.6. So to pull off a main stream Windows OS on this tablet you will have to wait for Windows 7 Embedded (which is win 7 + mobile cpu/gpu support) or Windows 8.
Once they release an offical beta of Win 7 Embedded I have a funny feeling it will be ported to all sorts of devices
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Reading the replies for that gentleman post is like reading a rude war against someone who is just asking a very simple question in an open forum, well people you all shouldn't be that rude to him.. replying with some helping words is better than posting harsh words.. aren't you all knowing what is the meaning of being "Polite"?

may be some day..
it would be a huge undertaking to do something like this.
however, despite feelings running high and peoples obvious favour toward android i do think it would be great to be able to run Windows7 or Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom.
Take as an example the HTC HD2 - its a windows mobile device that now supports the following list of operating systems..
windows mobile ce
windows phone 7 series
android stock
android sense
linux ubuntu - kubuntu
maego
windows95-98 ( emulation )
this is simply because some very talented developers locked on to the HD2 as it was the first superphone with a big screen and big power, and it came along before Android had such devices available...
back to the XOOM - i doubt we will ever see this sort of porting wizardry on our Xooms but nothing is set in stone, if someone could create something like MAGLDR (see HD2 forums) but for the Xoom then we could all enjoy a huge range of operating system choices.
Also, we all need to be aware that for the most part devices are perfectly able to run all sorts of operating systems in theory but as they are mass produced by manufacturers the way they are today we don't get to enjoy the fully unlocked benefits that we could.
imaging buying a pc and finding it wasn't possible to install LINUX instead of Windows !! - you would take it back to the store !!
Okay so i haven't offered a solution here - but lets not stop the imagination of others providing ideas that may some day become possibilities. and lets all hope that some day we can buy tablets like we buy pc's, with the ability to be loaded with a choice os O/S solutions.
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Immature forum members.....
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Windows 8 is now stable on ARM!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/

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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it

evil secure boot: if you get one of those, it won't run Android on it (unless someone cracks their keys)

mrevankyle said:
Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk

Completely off-topic; this thread should be moved to a forum that has anything to do with Windows 8.
And incidentally, Win8 will be the next Vista. It will flop, badly. Microsoft has never managed an even slightly successful touch-screen OS, and Win8 has significant design limitations that will put people off once they finally get to try it.

As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
If Microsoft can make Windows 8 work and improve on the "tiles" portion, I think it could be a reasonable tablet OS.

neofreek01 said:
so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
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I am sorry that you think that that was inconsiderate it just irritates me when someone opens a new thread for a topic that has already been discussed multiple times in the form of a device that will never get that operating system. There is an entire windows 8 section of XDA and i think that this post would have better served to start a discussion there

caseyc said:
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.

What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
The point isn't that Windows necessarily suck at touchscreen capability, it's just that they don't seem to have attracted much attention with it. Whether it's because they also believe that bull**** Apple has created around tablets and want to be seen as a more serious company... or if they're just too damn slow and big to move quickly, who knows?
(By the way, slightly off topic, but where is the best source to gather all past financial history on Apple and Microsoft??)

I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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Yeah, i really do wonder, how many people are going to buy some w8 tablet thinking that they might run any .exe files from their computer I believe there will be many flames thx to it. Not to mention the catastrophic amount of application after the launch....
And the impossibility to dualboot any other system -> w8 will be doomed and forgotten on arm.

asdfuogh said:
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
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A pretty good percentage, I'd say, and the same is true of Android users. However, that straw man has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is that Microsoft has had nothing but dismal failure with touchscreen features of every product they've offered.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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This is one of the key problems I alluded to, and given the number of people in this very forum who don't understand that issue, the answer is "a lot".

CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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blestsol said:
I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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Apparently, I am one, too. I am sadly mistaken, and was quite bigoted to have thought otherwise.

We have a ASUS see slate at the hospital that I work at. It runs Windows 7 64bit with a Solid state drive and 2 gigs of ram, able to go to 4 gigs. It is actually a very solid machine, And cost effictive for our hospital. Most doctors have dell xt2 tablets they carry around that are POS, cost around 3500. For like 1200 you can get a slate a eeeslate and keyboard.
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knoxploration said:
What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
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Uh, what? I get that the marketing sucks and they only have like 3 tablets out that run Windows 7 (if that), but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. I'm obviously not saying it is or ever will be as popular as Android/iOS tablets, hahahah.
Microsoft is an OS developer, and until they manufacture the hardware as well (which won't happen) they're going to have to license Windows to tablet manufacturers who actually want to make them. How many manufacturers want to pay a license for Windows when they can just as easily slap Android on any piece of hardware for free? Not to mention they've had to build Windows tablets using x86 architecture all along which isn't cheap when it's not mass-ordered by every other OEM.
That said, my point was that Windows 7 works surprisingly well as a tablet OS, not that it's going to compete for 1st place with the big boys.
Just as Windows Phone 7 is a relative dud, I'm sure Windows 8 ARM will be as well. Not because the OS doesn't work well on a tablet, but because they are FARRRRRR too late in the game. Popular app developers are just now starting to port their catalog to Android, it's not likely that they are going to consider also porting to Windows on ARM when the user base will be virtually non-existent.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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That's a great point, and I'm sure 90% of the people who buy Windows tablets are going to be people who want to take their desktop applications to a mobile platform.
I guess I just saw a glimmer of hope with the Windows 7 tablet I was surprised by in the store, but I'm being reminded how unlikely it is that Microsoft will ever succeed with any sort of a mobile product for regular consumers.

It's unfortunate, but both Windows 8 in it's tablet form, and Windows Phone 7 are relying on consumer ignorance to succeed.
The Tech news community are the ones at fault here, not highlighting these critical problems with the products, instead banking Microsoft's lucrative "advertising" payments in exchange for saying nice things.
Corporate America ****ing disgusts me. Almost as much as the lack of action by the US government in Microsoft's anti-trust practices.
Looking at the list of categories here, Microsoft have violated most of these at one time, and many they still continue to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices

I am waiting for win 8 Arm tablet
I am one waiting for an arm tablet on windows 8.

I was at one point looking forward to Win8 on ARM but after reading about how MS is going to be locking down ARM systems that run Win8 I have no desire any longer. When will MS and for that matter HW manufacturers understand that an ARM tablet is NO different than a white box PC. Leave it open and unlocked and if someone chooses to install Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, etc... let them.

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[Q] Kindle Fire with Win 8?

I've read a number of posts regarding the many difficulties involved in porting Windows 8 to the Kindle Fire. Is it conceivable that a future incarnation utilize the Windows 8 os?

Will not be possible. Ever. Hardware using windows 8 must be blessed by Microsoft themselves, and there are many, many other protections with it to ensure that it is only installed on authorized hardware. Sorry, its not going to happen.
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tripacer99 said:
Will not be possible. Ever. Hardware using windows 8 must be blessed by Microsoft themselves, and there are many, many other protections with it to ensure that it is only installed on authorized hardware. Sorry, its not going to happen.
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I would not jump to that, yet. Windows, by definition, is more of a universal operating system VS Mac OS X. Windows can run legally in a Mac, but OS X cant be run legally on a PC. Windows was made for a wider range of hardware, and likewise, in theory, could run on a completely unauthorized device, maybe through hardware bypass. Let us see. Earlier, no one thought this $200 amazon tablet could run ICS (nearly) perfectly. They thought it was absurd. But we, as a community, of devs, contributors, and noobs, proved them wrong. And we could do it again with Windows 8
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.... But we, as a community, of devs, contributors, and noobs, proved them wrong. And we could do it again with Windows 8
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I beg of you , community, please don't do this.

I would much rather see Linux on here. Even if Windows 8 got ported to the Kindle Fire, it would STILL be Windows, and by definition would be a step (or two) down from Android.

soupmagnet said:
I would much rather see Linux on here. Even if Windows 8 got ported to the Kindle Fire, it would STILL be Windows, and by definition would be a step (or two) down from Android.
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I guess so. I too hate windows, but there are a few people who want this.
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It would be interesting to know the reason why someone would like to have Windows on the Kindle. Kindle is cool. Android is cool. Windows is not that cool any more. I am a user, a noob from my head to the tail. I judge by coolness.

Windows 8 is not Window Desktop
Just to be fair, you can't really compare Windows 8 on a fire to Windows and in what you have seen for years on the desktop computer. It will not have any of the Win32 code in it because a Fire is a non-Intel CPU. Instead Windows 8 where talking about here will be the predecessor to the Windows Phone OS that you see on the Windows 7 phone. Here you are talking about a completely different experience. A Windows 7 phone can be argued as a much better touch interface than Android and possibly even the famous iPhone. It hasn't gotten much popularity because Microsoft missed the ball in the "phone war", but anyone I've seen who has a Windows Phone loves it and swears by it. So porting Windows 8 to a fire if it can be done would be actually be pretty awesome. If you don't believe me go to your nearest cell phone shop and play with a Windows Phone.
As for me, I have an android phone myself and like it very much. So I'm not preaching Windows 8. It was just sensing a slanted opinion of the topic based on Microsoft's flaws in a complete different market, which it has nothing to do with this topic.

Windows RT is supposed to support ARM architecture processors which means that, technically yes, it could work.
Now considering that drivers are proprietary, porting may be much more difficult unless Microsoft already did their legwork.
Functionally, the KF may be underpowered based on the hardware requirements for Windows RT.
Which leads to the question of, do you need Windows RT for your KF, or do you just want too say that it can be done?

Even if you still believe Windows is some unstable, immature operating system, in what possible way would porting it to any platform be detrimental to you? Name one. If you don't like it, don't do anything. How easy is that? Personally, I'd love to see it running on existing hardware simply because it's that much less I have to spend on more test equipment for development. It wasn't that long ago people were *****ing and complaining about porting "that Android garbage" to their Windows Mobile devices like it was the end of their world. I doubt it'll ever happen but if it did, I'd be first in line to see if it ran on any of my devices.

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Even if you still believe Windows is some unstable, immature operating system, in what possible way would porting it to any platform be detrimental to you? Name one. If you don't like it, don't do anything. How easy is that? Personally, I'd love to see it running on existing hardware simply because it's that much less I have to spend on more test equipment for development. It wasn't that long ago people were *****ing and complaining about porting "that Android garbage" to their Windows Mobile devices like it was the end of their world. I doubt it'll ever happen but if it did, I'd be first in line to see if it ran on any of my devices.
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Wooaahh. Hold on there Discussion Police. No need to get all bent out of shape over this. I don't remember seeing anyone here being personally attacked for their interest in using the Kindle Fire to run Windows 8. I only see people sharing their opinions on whether it would be a good idea or not. It's strange, how you took it so personally.
That being said...
Besides the potential of modifying Microsoft's software and porting it to a device that's not approved being ILLEGAL, you still have do deal with the lack of support, sketchy business practices (legitcheck, anyone?) and serious privacy concerns.
So, it is my absolutely permitted yet Not So Humble Opinion that supporting a company that has probably done more to damage the open source community than all others combined is probably not a good idea. Or maybe that's just me.
But hey, if you'd like to continue paying $300+ for a sub standard OS....
(getting off my soapbox now)

Just to share my opinion, I have never touched Windows OS for a long long time and my life was so much better after that (productivity). My old lappy was so crappy the last time I loaded it with Windows, it's slow and so limited in what it can do. After I loaded my lappy with Arch Linux, all I can say is WOW, the speed was way way superior compared to Windows, and there're basically nothing you can't do with Linux. So yeah, I don't think Win 8 is a good option for Kindle Fire, especially with limited ram size like 512MB. I'd go crazy if someone able to bring a pure linux distro to Kindle Fire though

If you want windows 8 to say that you have it, it makes sense. But the developer who does port it will probably get sued by Microsoft.
Next, based on system requirements, performance with the OS is most likely going to be unbearable.
Which then again leads me to the question of what are you expecting out of a port of windows 8/RT?

If windows 8 gets ported to kindle fire, the viruses won't be far behind. I'm a pc tech shop owner i love windows for the fact it keeps me busy.
Curious as to what os you guys run.
I use osx and Linux mostly & windows for scanning hard drivez from other computers.
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Well I've been using Windows 8 for awhile now, and I love it. Now would I want out on my kindle fire, not sure. The version of windows 8 that will support hardware the fire hasn't been released yet, all we have is Intel based version. I can tell you thou as a tablet based Os is its brilliant, and when the full version is released, I will be picking up a windows 8 tablet. Haven't made decision yet whether I will go will arm or Intel based. Arm will have limitations over its Intel counterparts, but I'm sure the battery life will be far better.
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Personally I think that android is better because it's open source and has a great app store.I would suggest that if any one likes the windows 8 ui,he or she should wait for a theme to get the best from both worlds.
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Being that the hardware inside the KF is so cheap, I wouldn't bother. And I love Windows 8.

[Q] But will it run windows8?

The specs seem ok but does anyone have any plans to dual boot windows 8 on this mini beast?

Possible, yes
Legal, no
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Why would you want to?
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The specs seem ok but does anyone have any plans to dual boot windows 8 on this mini beast?
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Maybe but why would you want to put that crappy OS on it?

i would like Ubuntu, not some m$ s*it

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Legal, no
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Unlikely, as win8rt will only come as builds dedicated to a specific device (with that device) and the win8rt bootloader requires a secureboot-enabled EFI bios with _only_ the MS keys embedded. (E.G. how often did windows CE get hacked onto a device that never had it)
_If_ we see win8rt on other T3 Kai platforms, that end up exploitable _and_ people are able to hack out the EFI secure bootloader stuff, then _maybe you'll see a ropey build do the rounds, but I wouldn't count on it

No and why would be the answer.
Windows 8 won't run windows apps and it's a step back to the dark ages in UI design.
Microsoft have also locked have ensured that windows 8 will only boot on approved hardware with signed EFI certs. This also means that a windows 8 ARM tablet won't boot anything else either.
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Windows 8 RT sucks anyway, even if it was ported most people wouldn't care because it's RT and Arm based so it's not like your installing diablo 3.
now if someone releases an intel x86 android tablet, thats another story.
Still, can't wait for Microsoft Surface Pro, that thing looks amazing.

As everyone has said, It is not possible. Even if someone got the EFI to pass, windows RT was not designed for tegra devices.

Questions go in the Q&A section

Yea. But can it run Crysis? :laugh:

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As everyone has said, It is not possible. Even if someone got the EFI to pass, windows RT was not designed for tegra devices.
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The RT model uses tegra 3.
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Any Nexus forced to run Windows would die of shame... Might as well ask if it would run Ios6.

This has troll written all over it. Shame on you OP..lol.

sorry... (hangs head in shame)

Don't be ashamed. This is a very legitimate question.
Windows 8 finally brings a true mobile windows. And it would be awesome if the nexus could dual boot into it.
Now Windows 8 RT kinda sucks ass since outside of office your just running windows phone apps basically though i'm sure that'll change eventually.
Plus, windows 8 is not really meant for a 7" screen, more like 10" minimum right now.
but as it's been said, it'll probably never happen due to many different reasons.
my advice, save up for a surface pro thats coming out in december/january

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sorry... (hangs head in shame)
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Nah man I was fukn wit ya.lol Your cool..:laugh:

[Q] Windows 8

Any one done or know if its possable to get the new windows 8 tablet software running on a nexus 7 ??? Or know a good cheep android tablet that will dual boot it ??? Ty
Only want to have a little mess around with it and see how well it runs with an xbox before wasting money on buying one as already have a few tablets.

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Any one done or know if its possable to get the new windows 8 tablet software running on a nexus 7 ??? Or know a good cheep android tablet that will dual boot it ??? Ty
Only want to have a little mess around with it and see how well it runs with an xbox before wasting money on buying one as already have a few tablets.
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What exactly do you want it to do with an xbox? It does no more than the SmartGlass app for Android can do.

Does a lot more then what smart glass does, music and video sync on the go sync to mobile phone and so on so many ways to link up the device all to work together. Also be nice to have a play with the new setups see how it runs and feels, what they actulay changed and what they just took from the windows 7.5 mobile edition
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Not going to happen for a handful of reasons, not the least of which are it being closed source, no drivers existing for our hardware, too much of a legal liability for anyone who tried, etc.
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Not even with as OEM copy of the software. I've seen things
Like the acer tablet on eBay with dual boot android and windows.
Looks like I might just need to invest in a windows tablet as well as my android
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No no no no no no no no no no
There is another thread that talks about this in VERY DEEP Details..
First there are two versions of windows 8
Windows 8 x86/x64 . Runs on tradition computer cpus
Windws 8 RT .. the tablet version Runs on Arm (TEGRA CPU) Similar to what nexus 7 has..
Windows 8 tradition version. The one you can buy will not run on ARM CPU
Windows RT is A ROM VERSION OF The os. NOT FOR SALE. Its Protected with boot-loader security beyond anything in the past. Beyond that Microsoft says NO.. You can only get this version From Windows 8 DEVICE PRELOADED..
So if you were to get a raw copy .. Making it work would be VERY ILLEGAL..
THE SHORT ANSWER IS Absolutely NO YOU CAN NOT DO IT..
Look for the other thread if you need to know more on the subject...
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No, you CAN do it, it's possible. It's just insanely difficult.
There are no drivers. There is no source code. You'll need to write a UEFI bootloader - which is also possible: it was done with HTC HD2.
And don't give me that bull**** about Microsoft suing you - if somebody wants to do this, they'll do it, and no legal department will stop them.

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No, you CAN do it, it's possible. It's just insanely difficult.
There are no drivers. There is no source code. You'll need to write a UEFI bootloader - which is also possible: it was done with HTC HD2.
And don't give me that bull**** about Microsoft suing you - if somebody wants to do this, they'll do it, and no legal department will stop them.
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The intellectually dishonest correlation to the HD2 needs to be put out to pasture as it really bears no relevance.
And you're absolutely right... laws don't deter thieves, or anyone else who is determined to act in a particular manner. Anything and everything outside of the law can get rationalized by someone determined to do it. If laws were alone were an adequate deterrent, then there would be no need for punitive measures. In the case of MS, they have a proven track record of aggressively litigating worldwide when it comes to whatever they consider to be their flagship software at that given time. Far from "bull****", it's quantifiable and qualifiable.
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The intellectually dishonest correlation to the HD2 needs to be put out to pasture as it really bears no relevance.
And you're absolutely right... laws don't deter thieves, or anyone else who is determined to act in a particular manner. Anything and everything outside of the law can get rationalized by someone determined to do it. If laws were alone were an adequate deterrent, then there would be no need for punitive measures. In the case of MS, they have a proven track record of aggressively litigating worldwide when it comes to whatever they consider to be their flagship software at that given time. Far from "bull****", it's quantifiable and qualifiable.
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No, this time they are making a new bootloader for UEFI to work. Just because it's a phone that used to run Windows doesn't mean that it's any easier.
I just hate that this place keeps telling people that things are impossible. Impossible and very difficult are two different things.

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No, this time they are making a new bootloader for UEFI to work. Just because it's a phone that used to run Windows doesn't mean that it's any easier.
I just hate that this place keeps telling people that things are impossible. Impossible and very difficult are two different things.
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I don't believe it was ever stated to be impossible. At least I know I never termed it that. It is, as I've said, unfeasible for the aforementioned reasons. If someone's determined enough and is able to essentially build a the necessary drivers, bootloader, etc, they would have licked half the problem. The other half being the likely consequence of their endeavour.
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