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Windows 8 is now stable on ARM!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it

evil secure boot: if you get one of those, it won't run Android on it (unless someone cracks their keys)

mrevankyle said:
Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk

Completely off-topic; this thread should be moved to a forum that has anything to do with Windows 8.
And incidentally, Win8 will be the next Vista. It will flop, badly. Microsoft has never managed an even slightly successful touch-screen OS, and Win8 has significant design limitations that will put people off once they finally get to try it.

As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
If Microsoft can make Windows 8 work and improve on the "tiles" portion, I think it could be a reasonable tablet OS.

neofreek01 said:
so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
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I am sorry that you think that that was inconsiderate it just irritates me when someone opens a new thread for a topic that has already been discussed multiple times in the form of a device that will never get that operating system. There is an entire windows 8 section of XDA and i think that this post would have better served to start a discussion there

caseyc said:
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.

What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
The point isn't that Windows necessarily suck at touchscreen capability, it's just that they don't seem to have attracted much attention with it. Whether it's because they also believe that bull**** Apple has created around tablets and want to be seen as a more serious company... or if they're just too damn slow and big to move quickly, who knows?
(By the way, slightly off topic, but where is the best source to gather all past financial history on Apple and Microsoft??)

I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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Yeah, i really do wonder, how many people are going to buy some w8 tablet thinking that they might run any .exe files from their computer I believe there will be many flames thx to it. Not to mention the catastrophic amount of application after the launch....
And the impossibility to dualboot any other system -> w8 will be doomed and forgotten on arm.

asdfuogh said:
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
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A pretty good percentage, I'd say, and the same is true of Android users. However, that straw man has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is that Microsoft has had nothing but dismal failure with touchscreen features of every product they've offered.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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This is one of the key problems I alluded to, and given the number of people in this very forum who don't understand that issue, the answer is "a lot".

CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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blestsol said:
I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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Apparently, I am one, too. I am sadly mistaken, and was quite bigoted to have thought otherwise.

We have a ASUS see slate at the hospital that I work at. It runs Windows 7 64bit with a Solid state drive and 2 gigs of ram, able to go to 4 gigs. It is actually a very solid machine, And cost effictive for our hospital. Most doctors have dell xt2 tablets they carry around that are POS, cost around 3500. For like 1200 you can get a slate a eeeslate and keyboard.
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knoxploration said:
What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
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Uh, what? I get that the marketing sucks and they only have like 3 tablets out that run Windows 7 (if that), but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. I'm obviously not saying it is or ever will be as popular as Android/iOS tablets, hahahah.
Microsoft is an OS developer, and until they manufacture the hardware as well (which won't happen) they're going to have to license Windows to tablet manufacturers who actually want to make them. How many manufacturers want to pay a license for Windows when they can just as easily slap Android on any piece of hardware for free? Not to mention they've had to build Windows tablets using x86 architecture all along which isn't cheap when it's not mass-ordered by every other OEM.
That said, my point was that Windows 7 works surprisingly well as a tablet OS, not that it's going to compete for 1st place with the big boys.
Just as Windows Phone 7 is a relative dud, I'm sure Windows 8 ARM will be as well. Not because the OS doesn't work well on a tablet, but because they are FARRRRRR too late in the game. Popular app developers are just now starting to port their catalog to Android, it's not likely that they are going to consider also porting to Windows on ARM when the user base will be virtually non-existent.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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That's a great point, and I'm sure 90% of the people who buy Windows tablets are going to be people who want to take their desktop applications to a mobile platform.
I guess I just saw a glimmer of hope with the Windows 7 tablet I was surprised by in the store, but I'm being reminded how unlikely it is that Microsoft will ever succeed with any sort of a mobile product for regular consumers.

It's unfortunate, but both Windows 8 in it's tablet form, and Windows Phone 7 are relying on consumer ignorance to succeed.
The Tech news community are the ones at fault here, not highlighting these critical problems with the products, instead banking Microsoft's lucrative "advertising" payments in exchange for saying nice things.
Corporate America ****ing disgusts me. Almost as much as the lack of action by the US government in Microsoft's anti-trust practices.
Looking at the list of categories here, Microsoft have violated most of these at one time, and many they still continue to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices

I am waiting for win 8 Arm tablet
I am one waiting for an arm tablet on windows 8.

I was at one point looking forward to Win8 on ARM but after reading about how MS is going to be locking down ARM systems that run Win8 I have no desire any longer. When will MS and for that matter HW manufacturers understand that an ARM tablet is NO different than a white box PC. Leave it open and unlocked and if someone chooses to install Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, etc... let them.

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Windows 7 mods

Does anyone know whether we can change our NOTE to windows 7 mango like this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1914621

+1 buddy.
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Ajseter said:
Does anyone know whether we can change our NOTE to windows 7 mango like this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1914621
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There are a few applications on the market that will allow you to mimic the style of it without having to actually flash modifications over-top of the system. Launcher7, StatusBar+ to name a few. Neither require root or modification.

+1, Though I'm a noobie, I would love to try Original Windows Phone 7 or 8 rom on my Galaxy Note, If possible with dual boot feature

Lol there's no "windows 7/8 rom", it's just a collection of apps someone packaged together and called a rom. You can make any phone on any firmware look exactly like that right now.
Apple innovates and Samsung copies, huh? Tell that to my Galaxy Note.

omac_ranger said:
There are a few applications on the market that will allow you to mimic the style of it without having to actually flash modifications over-top of the system. Launcher7, StatusBar+ to name a few. Neither require root or modification.
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This is really the best advice on the matter. Whilst you may be capable of flashing your device (I do not know of your Android experiences, but I certainly don't classify myself as "capable" of doing so), why risk it when free applications found on the marketplace offer the same functionality? Although, if I am honest, I don't particularly like the "Metro UI" of Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 8, Windows RT and Windows 8.

Microsoft stuff is closed source, so although there may be a way to flash the rom, the kernel would never be able to activate any of the hardware, so you'd have no phone, no accelerometer, buttons wouldn't work, it would be completely pointless. The only way to do it is as said, to imitate it with custom launchers etc.
Launcher7 is fantastic btw, and the dev does good work on updates, highly recommend it.
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This is probably the wrong place to ask, but I'm going to anyway .
Can you run standard Windows (PC) applications and games on their mobile version? For example I have a (windows) game that I play a lot on my laptop, would it run on windows mobile?
Thanks .

go-away said:
This is probably the wrong place to ask, but I'm going to anyway .
Can you run standard Windows (PC) applications and games on their mobile version? For example I have a (windows) game that I play a lot on my laptop, would it run on windows mobile?
Thanks .
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No, different platforms.
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Windows 8 for Nexus 7- What're our chances?

Windows 8 CAN run on arm, we know that. Or at least, a modified version can anyway. What do you reckon our chances of getting a Windows 8 port to our devices? Maybe a port from Microsoft's Slate Tablet? Maybe the only thing preventing this would be legal issues?
I realise some XDA members may find this proposal ridiculous, but I thought I'd just put it out there anyway .
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Windows RT isn't open source and comes only preloaded onto devices; I don't think it's happening
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Surely Microsoft would be happy to sell Nexus 7 owners a license. Its worth asking xD
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but HTC HD2 got windows phone 7 port...

chaplinb said:
Surely Microsoft would be happy to sell Nexus 7 owners a license. Its worth asking xD
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Wouldn't happen for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that the Nexus 7 does not meet the minimum hardware requirements set forth by Microsoft for Windows RT tablets. Secondly, it would further undercut their OEM contracts since RT is currently only licensed to them. Thirdly, there's a lack of drivers for our hardware. Fourthly, the bootloader would need to be locked down tightly with no way to unlock.
Finally, I highly doubt you'd ever see it ported, as any dev who did try would find themselves on the losing end of a rather substantial lawsuit coming out of Redmond.
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Why would you want to downgrade your N7 anyway? That's like installing Windows 95 on your 3rd gen Core i7 desktop.
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najaboy said:
Wouldn't happen for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that the Nexus 7 does not meet the minimum hardware requirements set forth by Microsoft for Windows RT tablets. Secondly, it would further undercut their OEM contracts since RT is currently only licensed to them. Thirdly, there's a lack of drivers for our hardware. Fourthly, the bootloader would need to be locked down tightly with no way to unlock.
Finally, I highly doubt you'd ever see it ported, as any dev who did try would find themselves on the losing end of a rather substantial lawsuit coming out of Redmond.
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While I don't technically disagree with what you're saying (Port is unlikely), I do disagree with some of your reasoning. The requirements of Windows 8 compared to the Nexus 7 are irrelevant, XDA is all about getting devices to do things they were never designed to do in the first place. The HD2 is a great example of this, as it runs ports of every major mobile OS out there (as well as a few not-so-major ones). This kind of shows that how it affects OEMs is somewhat irrelevant as the same thing can be said about most devices from the Windows Phone/CE days. Even if that were true, the numbers of people who would actually buy a Nexus 7 just to install Windows 8 on it (or who WOULDN'T buy a Windows 8 tablet because they can use their N7) are probably very small.
Similarly, I don't think Microsoft has ever taken any of our developers to court. A C&D might get sent out, but that's probably the height of it. It certainly hasn't prevented developers from trying before.
I think the bootloader is completely irrelevant as well, why does the bootloader have to be locked down? To meet Microsoft's licensing requirements? That doesn't make any sense, nothing would be licensed (Which is what makes the whole thing a grey area for sure) so licensing requirements don't matter. The fact that we have reasonable control over the bootloader is actually a massive advantage.
The real issue that you've mentioned is regarding drivers. There's very few RT tablets out there right now so there isn't a lot of drivers we can pilfer (Although it probably will help that Surface is based off of Tegra 3 - which is what the N7 uses, albeit not the same type). Never mind that, not a lot of research into RT has happened just yet so the ability to pilfer ANYTHING is up for debate right now - surface is certainly going to be locked down to a large extent and as far as I'm aware there aren't going to be any System Dumps lying around that we can use either so there's a lot to do before even considering porting to something like the N7. I doubt anything like that would happen any time soon and by the time it does (assuming it ever does), the N7 might be old hat. None the less, I wouldn't rule it out as a definite no, just more of an extremely long shot for now.

neoKushan said:
surface is certainly going to be locked down to a large extent and as far as I'm aware there aren't going to be any System Dumps lying around that we can use either so there's a lot to do before even considering porting to something like the N7. I doubt anything like that would happen any time soon
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Lol it's a Microsoft/Windows device. With their track record, there'll probably be a system dump before customers even start receiving devices
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Then again since when have we ever seen windows mobile os's ported over to android devices on this site, I've seen an ipod touch run android in my lifetime, but never any ports of Windows mobile 5, 6, 7 to any devices, but we ran android on windows mobile devices using haret.
I've toyed around with Windows Mobile 8 and Windows 8, it kinda reminds me of what windows ME was supposed to be ( being sarcastic) , it's a good OS but nothing to loose sleep over. By next year we will be asking for a Windows Mobile 9 port that will also never come to light.
At least we have Ubuntu running unoptimized on our N7............
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put win8 on desktop
http://www.splashtop.com/home
^install that
Profit

HD2 Can, why not Nexus?!
Cotulla, from this very forum!
HTC HD2 runs Windows RT...
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/htc-hd2-refuses-to-die-now-runs-windows-rt/

Very talented developer. He got further than I ever expected.
Wake me if he ever makes it do anything useful.
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Splashtop 2
You can always use Splashtop 2 to mirror you windows 8 PC to your Nexus 7.It works surprisingly well.

matb321 said:
You can always use Splashtop 2 to mirror you windows 8 PC to your Nexus 7.It works surprisingly well.
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So I can remote into a Mac, does that mean it can run Mac OS as well. This is useless.

wondows architecture is x86 based. windows rt is arm based. on nexus7 impossible to running windows desktop os. however, its possible to running windows rt on nexus7 if it's bootloader unlocked and customized for booting win rt.

I can run Windows 7...
Theoretically, I am able to run Windows 8 Developer/Consumer Preview or Windows 8.1 PAE/NX Patched.
BUT THIS IS SO... SLOW

[Q] Windows 8

Any one done or know if its possable to get the new windows 8 tablet software running on a nexus 7 ??? Or know a good cheep android tablet that will dual boot it ??? Ty
Only want to have a little mess around with it and see how well it runs with an xbox before wasting money on buying one as already have a few tablets.

cubixgames said:
Any one done or know if its possable to get the new windows 8 tablet software running on a nexus 7 ??? Or know a good cheep android tablet that will dual boot it ??? Ty
Only want to have a little mess around with it and see how well it runs with an xbox before wasting money on buying one as already have a few tablets.
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What exactly do you want it to do with an xbox? It does no more than the SmartGlass app for Android can do.

Does a lot more then what smart glass does, music and video sync on the go sync to mobile phone and so on so many ways to link up the device all to work together. Also be nice to have a play with the new setups see how it runs and feels, what they actulay changed and what they just took from the windows 7.5 mobile edition
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Not going to happen for a handful of reasons, not the least of which are it being closed source, no drivers existing for our hardware, too much of a legal liability for anyone who tried, etc.
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Not even with as OEM copy of the software. I've seen things
Like the acer tablet on eBay with dual boot android and windows.
Looks like I might just need to invest in a windows tablet as well as my android
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No no no no no no no no no no
There is another thread that talks about this in VERY DEEP Details..
First there are two versions of windows 8
Windows 8 x86/x64 . Runs on tradition computer cpus
Windws 8 RT .. the tablet version Runs on Arm (TEGRA CPU) Similar to what nexus 7 has..
Windows 8 tradition version. The one you can buy will not run on ARM CPU
Windows RT is A ROM VERSION OF The os. NOT FOR SALE. Its Protected with boot-loader security beyond anything in the past. Beyond that Microsoft says NO.. You can only get this version From Windows 8 DEVICE PRELOADED..
So if you were to get a raw copy .. Making it work would be VERY ILLEGAL..
THE SHORT ANSWER IS Absolutely NO YOU CAN NOT DO IT..
Look for the other thread if you need to know more on the subject...
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No, you CAN do it, it's possible. It's just insanely difficult.
There are no drivers. There is no source code. You'll need to write a UEFI bootloader - which is also possible: it was done with HTC HD2.
And don't give me that bull**** about Microsoft suing you - if somebody wants to do this, they'll do it, and no legal department will stop them.

SilverHedgehog said:
No, you CAN do it, it's possible. It's just insanely difficult.
There are no drivers. There is no source code. You'll need to write a UEFI bootloader - which is also possible: it was done with HTC HD2.
And don't give me that bull**** about Microsoft suing you - if somebody wants to do this, they'll do it, and no legal department will stop them.
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The intellectually dishonest correlation to the HD2 needs to be put out to pasture as it really bears no relevance.
And you're absolutely right... laws don't deter thieves, or anyone else who is determined to act in a particular manner. Anything and everything outside of the law can get rationalized by someone determined to do it. If laws were alone were an adequate deterrent, then there would be no need for punitive measures. In the case of MS, they have a proven track record of aggressively litigating worldwide when it comes to whatever they consider to be their flagship software at that given time. Far from "bull****", it's quantifiable and qualifiable.
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najaboy said:
The intellectually dishonest correlation to the HD2 needs to be put out to pasture as it really bears no relevance.
And you're absolutely right... laws don't deter thieves, or anyone else who is determined to act in a particular manner. Anything and everything outside of the law can get rationalized by someone determined to do it. If laws were alone were an adequate deterrent, then there would be no need for punitive measures. In the case of MS, they have a proven track record of aggressively litigating worldwide when it comes to whatever they consider to be their flagship software at that given time. Far from "bull****", it's quantifiable and qualifiable.
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No, this time they are making a new bootloader for UEFI to work. Just because it's a phone that used to run Windows doesn't mean that it's any easier.
I just hate that this place keeps telling people that things are impossible. Impossible and very difficult are two different things.

SilverHedgehog said:
No, this time they are making a new bootloader for UEFI to work. Just because it's a phone that used to run Windows doesn't mean that it's any easier.
I just hate that this place keeps telling people that things are impossible. Impossible and very difficult are two different things.
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I don't believe it was ever stated to be impossible. At least I know I never termed it that. It is, as I've said, unfeasible for the aforementioned reasons. If someone's determined enough and is able to essentially build a the necessary drivers, bootloader, etc, they would have licked half the problem. The other half being the likely consequence of their endeavour.
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Windows 8 gripes / annoyances

So now that 8 is out, can anyone give a short list already of annoyances you've found, any carried over from Windows 7 or XP?

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So now that 8 is out, can anyone give a short list already of annoyances you've found, any carried over from Windows 7 or XP?
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You're posting this in totally the wrong place, so it will be moved or deleted, but ... Windows 8 is cr4p. No gain over 7 unless you have a touch-screen PC. There is no 'Start' button on the desktop so you have to pay to buy one from another software company. A load of drivers don't work on Windows 8 and there seems to be no rush to fix ...
In summary - avoid it. Businesses have already decided to skip this version.

Metro UI on any device without a touch screen and no Start button or menu. It seems Microsoft thinks its a great idea to not let the consumer choose to either have a start menu or use its craptro UI.

One annoyance of mine is the activation of the toolbar/ribbon from the start page to access the shut down/restart menu. I have a dual monitor setup and my mouse continues to the next screen instead of activating the hot corner.

Use [Win]+i to open the Settings charm, from where it's easy to access the Power options or other settings. Alternatively, [Win]+c opens the Charms bar in general. No need to use the hot corners.

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One annoyance of mine is the activation of the toolbar/ribbon from the start page to access the shut down/restart menu. I have a dual monitor setup and my mouse continues to the next screen instead of activating the hot corner.
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another tip for hot corners is to slightly offset the monitor in display config, lift the monitor a fraction, when you move the mouse to the corner you will hit a "wall" allowing it to work. But keyboard short cuts are where we should all be at, its so much simpler
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Metro UI on any device without a touch screen and no Start button or menu. It seems Microsoft thinks its a great idea to not let the consumer choose to either have a start menu or use its ******** UI.
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I don't have this issues and I don't have touch, the new start menu which is what it is, and is even called that in serveral places within the OS IS the metro interface, yes the button has gone but clicking where the button used to be will bring up the start menu

SimonTS said:
You're posting this in totally the wrong place, so it will be moved or deleted, but ... Windows 8 is cr4p. No gain over 7 unless you have a touch-screen PC. There is no 'Start' button on the desktop so you have to pay to buy one from another software company. A load of drivers don't work on Windows 8 and there seems to be no rush to fix ...
In summary - avoid it. Businesses have already decided to skip this version.
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What are you basing that on?? I think you are giving a personal opinion rather than professional advice.Windows 8 is not bad,and definitely not crap.Just accept change and learn the metro ui.Its very good once you get to know it.And by the way,there is a app called pokki which gives you back the start menu and its free! It also gives you an option to boot to desktop.Has microsoft ever disappointed users so far? Driver support will be added.Windows 8 hardly released bro chill.....skipping windows 8 will not help ..
In all likelihood microsoft will not continue development of a desktop ui version of windows...its all metro from now on.Theres a lot to like about windows 8 if you are adaptive
Please dont post such posts which dont have any fact behind them...
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What are you basing that on?? I think you are giving a personal opinion rather than professional advice.Windows 8 is not bad,and definitely not crap.Just accept change and learn the metro ui.Its very good once you get to know it.And by the way,there is a app called pokki which gives you back the start menu and its free! It also gives you an option to boot to desktop.Has microsoft ever disappointed users so far? Driver support will be added.Windows 8 hardly released bro chill.....skipping windows 8 will not help ..
In all likelihood microsoft will not continue development of a desktop ui version of windows...its all metro from now on.Theres a lot to like about windows 8 if you are adaptive
Please dont post such posts which dont have any fact behind them...
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It is not simply a personal opinion. If you actually bothered reading any of the industry reviews then you would discover 90% of businesses are going to stick with Windows 7 because Windows 8 is such a mess. You are purely looking at this from the point of view of a home-user, but Microsoft makes most of its money from the business customers and they are voting with their wallets right now.
As for "Please dont post such posts which dont have any fact behind them..." - I would suggest you wind your neck in before your head gets taken off. I don't know who the f**k you think you are, but I am entitled to my opinion and I have a damn site more experience in this than you do.

Lets all calm down, Xmas what a horrible time of year, we all get stressed out an every ones fuses are that bit shorter, why on earth do we bother with it all
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SimonTS said:
It is not simply a personal opinion. If you actually bothered reading any of the industry reviews then you would discover 90% of businesses are going to stick with Windows 7 because Windows 8 is such a mess. You are purely looking at this from the point of view of a home-user, but Microsoft makes most of its money from the business customers and they are voting with their wallets right now.
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I tend to agree that businesses have no particular need to upgrade. However the new systems are shipping with Windows 8 and there are add ons that enabled the start menu. One could argue that Windows 8 is more secure, because the desktop is running as a separate app under the Windows 8 interface. Windows 8 is fully compatible with network configurations and logins, so there is really no reason why businesses wouldn't accept it for new systems.
I have it running on my ultra portable, which came with a touch screen. It is surprisingly simple to use, but totally unnecessary as an upgrade to Windows 7. I generally go right to the desktop immediately, where all my applications reside. And the first thing I did was install a start button on the desktop!

stevedebi said:
I tend to agree that businesses have no particular need to upgrade. However the new systems are shipping with Windows 8 and there are add ons that enabled the start menu. One could argue that Windows 8 is more secure, because the desktop is running as a separate app under the Windows 8 interface. Windows 8 is fully compatible with network configurations and logins, so there is really no reason why businesses wouldn't accept it for new systems.
I have it running on my ultra portable, which came with a touch screen. It is surprisingly simple to use, but totally unnecessary as an upgrade to Windows 7. I generally go right to the desktop immediately, where all my applications reside. And the first thing I did was install a start button on the desktop!
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Exactly. It isn't anything to jump on if you have a corporate budget to consider (enterprise licenses are expensive), but if you get it for free, have it bundled with a new computer, or in some cases for the $40 upgrade, it becomes feasible to get because it is all around a better OS. Businesses aren't sticking with 7 because they don't like 8. They are sticking with 7 because it works almost as well as 8 and is not worth upgrading for all of their systems at a couple hundred dollars per machine. The majority of businesses that adopt windows 8 will be those who still have xp and haven't upgraded to 7 because either way, they have to pay a hefty sum.
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JihadSquad said:
Exactly. It isn't anything to jump on if you have a corporate budget to consider (enterprise licenses are expensive), but if you get it for free, have it bundled with a new computer, or in some cases for the $40 upgrade, it becomes feasible to get because it is all around a better OS. Businesses aren't sticking with 7 because they don't like 8. They are sticking with 7 because it works almost as well as 8 and is not worth upgrading for all of their systems at a couple hundred dollars per machine. The majority of businesses that adopt windows 8 will be those who still have xp and haven't upgraded to 7 because either way, they have to pay a hefty sum.
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I have a couple of people whom I am providing with consulting, and they are using Windows XP. I have suggested that they consider going to Windows 8 now, simply because it is so cheap at the moment, and MS is going to stop Win XP support in 2014.