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Before I start please know that I've been a MS fan since my first desktop running Win98 and also loved MS phones when it was called 'Windows Mobile'.
I've just installed the W8 Consumer Preview out of curiosity and the beautiful Metro UI. Now, I'm a big fan of the Metro UI but not on my desktop PC please!
I'm a gfx/web designer I spend hours on PC everyday and the whole Metro and Desktop thing going on here makes me wanna kill someone!
It's hard multitasking and not that productive either. First, I blame Facebook for the whole "share" thing going on! and finally Apple's "great" iphone for this don't ask me why. If you just connect all the dots since the iphone's release you can understand how every apple competitor tried to turn their products more simpler or iphone'ish and that's the bitter truth though I absolutely hate that piece of crap!
It's like history repeating itself. How Microsoft lost all their "Windows Mobile" customers(including me) and market share when they introduced new WP7. They went average to worse! Previous "Windows Mobile" tech savvy's or a power user like me switched to Android and rest iphones.
Clearly, that was a wrong move by MS, they took risk with something new instead of improving what they already have with the "Windows Mobile".
In present, MS wants to make WP7 successful so they're feeding their successful huge community of PC users with their touch/portable OS crap! **** I even hate the term "Apps" now!! I want the gold old "softwares" back! Using W8 on my on 20" LED screen is a waste. Since the new Metro UI doesn't allow resizing any "Apps" or I cant keep more than 2 open. It's same as using apps on my 4" Android phone! Yes, I can work on the W8 stripped down desktop UI for a while but that just steals the experience when Metro is designed as the prime UI for W8.
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
No, I don't care if its just a consumer preview or whatever. Previous Win OS beta builds and final builds never had huge noticeable differences. W8 looks like it was made out of frustration.
Of course I can stick to W7 but for how long ? it's gonna saturate at some point of time. W8 has changed everything including the MetroUI. Looks like MS is killing everything they created for themselves in past years even their company logo. And of course "Windows" was the biggest part of MS' success.
In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
This is just my assumption and opinion. Personally I'm an MS fan and never thought I'd critic MS like this.
Please share your thoughts
My thoughts are, I'm sticking with w7
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Personally I Loved The Metro Ui
It Just A Fantastic Ui
Even On NoN-TouchScreen
But I Think That Microsoft Should Add The Button "Enable/Disable Metro Ui"
For Desktop Fans !
bornotty said:
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
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Tons of alternatives to both (look up Ubuntu, perhaps). No reason to be worried.
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In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
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I agree; I think the temptation to try to bundle desktop with mobile will be too strong. The problem is the explosive growth of small devices, compared to the slacking growth of PCs.
The failure oft Ms ist, Thats they direct kill the Old style Startmenu. It would habe been a Wetter way Tod implement Metro as a Kind of Background replacement in an classic environment. So you would have the free choice of your Personal experience.
But wich the current way, you Are forced To Use the experience , they want .
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When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
Arnt there enough "I h8 windows 8" threads already?!?
The basic function of the operating system are fundamentally the same. The start menus functionality is the same, it just looks different. The lost start button is replaced by a function tile in an identical place which works in the same way. The jumping in and out of the start menu is as quick as it ever was. The desktop works in the same way as it always did. Apps are on almost all platforms now.
So I guess I'm saying, I don't get you. Windows 7 will still exist, my god there are still people running vista & there were some real problems to complain about there.
I live the fact that when I type it starts searching
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My biggest peeve so far is that it seems to ditch functionality in favor of flair.
I have no problem with a beautiful UI--but Metro is, on a rather consistent basis, slowing down my workflow.
For example, open settings in Metro, and you are greeted with a side tab with a few options: Settings, Help, Network, blah blah blah, and what's this? More settings.
When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
And why the hell isn't there just a simple "Settings" tile in the Metro start screen? That's what I would look for first--but no, you have to hover your mouse over the bottom right corner, then mouse up and click settings, only to be asked which of the two pointless menus you'd like to access. And if you really want to do anything worthwhile with your PC's settings, you're in the completely wrong frigging place, because Microsoft had the infinite foresight to make the control panel completely separate from the settings menu.
I hate the start up screen and how it makes me grab the screen with the mouse like a touch screen to get it out of the way.
I hate how it hooks me up completely to MSN, making me log into my desktop and MSN at the same time.
I hate how unintuitive the mash of Metro and Desktop is. If you open IE from Metro and IE from the Desktop - why do they launch separate instances that don't look the same, act the same...it is pure garbage.
The list goes on and on... but lets run into the first three things I found WRONG in the first 30 seconds.
Simply avoid Metro UI as much as possible if you're using your PC for highly productive work. While Metro UI is great for entertaining, e.g. reading books, watching movies, social network etc. it simply cannot handle multiple tasks at the same time.
I don't work on Metro UI either, but now I've got used to staying with the classic UI. The only thing that's still frustrating is some great features can only be found in Metro style. Like skydrive integration, mail and people etc. I wish there were equivalent applications on classic desktop, so I don't have to switch between two interfaces from time to time.
Sorry to hear your disappointment. I actually like the Metro UI. I give MS credit for doing something different instead of re-hashing to same old user interface.
Only issue so far is jumping back and forth between Metro and old Win7 style. Nevertheless, to each his own.
dialupboy said:
When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
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Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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Lol this like the other 20 "I hate windows 8" posts are all just troll boards. You may be clear on your "facts" but your facts arnt facts, there opinions, & you know what they say about opinions "opinions are like arseholes, everyone got them!
Come on mods, lock this thread! There are enough Microsoft sucks threads already.
I personally come to xda dev for answers not opinions. You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it. Just leave us folks to discuss real issues (harware/software) conflicts and solutions.
bornotty said:
Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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bah I AM using it on my pc with kb and mouse, I don't see "the problems" , it is fast , easy to use , sure you need to learn new things, but I am sure 8 years old kid wont have problem with the new stuff. You and others like you are just whiners, Pathetic.
i never understood why almost every os had a start-menu-like button in one of its corners. it has never been user friendly, klicking and klicking and more and more "apps" Pop up it's getting confusing. that has never been intuitiv from the beginnung and just got it because we were used to it. and it was kind of stupid, why just using a small part of the screen for one of the most importing tasks: getting an app/program/software started.
i love the new Metro ui, even on the pc. and your just one click away from a Desktop-similar experience so wtf is everybody worrying about?
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You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
For me it's great so far
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When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
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Because that's the general settings section for each application and not for the entire system. It saves you from searching for the settings menu for each app. So it's more integrated into the Metro-UI. It is quite convinient.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
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Don't buy from Dell etc. Build your own and download Ubuntu etc. I've never HAD to buy an operating system & all the companies that preinstall windows sell over priced rubbish anyway.
Hi All
I am new to the Android tablet world, just bought my transformer yesterday actually, rooted it and tweaked the **** out of it
As being a previous loyal android user, i found myself quite moved and worried about the rumours regarding Windows 8 tablet taking over the market leaving android tablets to die, upon hearing this i asked myself if is this really possible?? Because if it is then what will become of my transformer after a year? For which to buy i had sold my old laptop.
Please leave your ideas and opinions so that this discussion can be carried on.
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Hi All
I am new to the Android tablet world, just bought my transformer yesterday actually, rooted it and tweaked the **** out of it
As being a previous loyal android user, i found myself quite moved and worried about the rumours regarding Windows 8 tablet taking over the market leaving android tablets to die, upon hearing this i asked myself if is this really possible?? Because if it is then what will become of my transformer after a year? For which to buy i had sold my old laptop
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In a year your tablet will be three maybe four generations old and lacking. That said it will be exactly what it is today. Awesome.
Windows 8 sucks. It won't take anything over.. garbage.
I haven't tried Windows 8 on a tablet, but I did try the free preview on a desktop. I am terribly ashamed to admit it.
I installed it on a computer that I don't use as a daily driver and I disconnected the ethernet to keep things relatively safe. Truly, this is more cautious than when I knowingly put viruses on my computer to test out my virus scanner. No joke. After I burned the installation DVD, I wrote "Caution! Windows 8" on it so that I wouldn't install it, thinking it was a linux distro that I wanted to play around with.
At any rate, Windows 8 is a joke. The UI is terrible and it's just a ploy to take your information. It reminds me of Vista and how that was a flop that they turned into Windows 7. Did anyone see the project Mohave videos?. Navigation is not intuitive and the tiles and charms bar are a mess. It's really the stuff that was leftover and fell on the floor. Take all the stuff that iOS and Android never used because it sucked and bam! Windows 8!
In the interest of disclosure, I dislike Windows and Microsoft products in general.
Good Question
This is a good question, and one I thought about myself. Honestly I don't think it would be hard for Windows to overtake Android tablets, Amazon did it with the kindel. I love my transformer and the OP it has basically replaced my laptop in a lot of ways. But honestly, up to this point I haven't seen anything that would suggest Google can compete well against Windows Amazon or Apple. The update process on Android is ridiculous, and developer support although improving is lacking. Google won't put some sort of QC process and organization on the market so tablet specific apps are hard to find. All of these things are off putting to casual consumers and usually why they choose other OS's. That said, all this can be improved and I think Android tablets will sell more but until then I'm keeping my eye on Windows 8. If they can offer me the same functionality with usb ports, user upgraded memory at a resonable price I might consider a Windows tablet.
I also have the Win8 Consumer Preview installed.
It is an interesting blend of a traditional OS and a tablet OS, but it is still not going to take over Android IMO.
There is still a lot of unknowns. Even if Windows tablets take off, the low powered Tegra variety will probably have issues running full software (like Office) since it is designed for x86 and x64 processors. I know the Atom processors struggled with this for a while.
In general, I will be sticking with Windows 7 because the metro UI is not what I want in a desktop OS. Even for a tablet OS, I still prefer Android.
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I am new to the Android tablet world, just bought my transformer yesterday actually, rooted it and tweaked the **** out of it
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Probably should have asked this question the day before yesterday.
I wouldn't rule out Microsoft, I have Windows 8 running on an Acer W500 tablet and although it is not quite ready for prime time, the fact that I can run Office 10, surf any site I want, etc. makes it pretty darn useful compared to Android or iOs. It's almost like iOS has the perfect consumption device for people who are just going to surf a bit and do some light stuff, while Windows 8 could handle that plus serious business stuff. I worry about Android's survival because of the lack of control by Google. Between vendors fighting to see who can put out the cheapest tablet, phone carriers and vendors modifying the heck out of it to "differentiate" themselves, and the inability to predict when or if a particular unit will get an update I can't see too many regular people picking an Android tablet compared to iOS or WIndows 8. By the way, that doesn't apply to the people on this forum who are by definition people who enjoy tinkering with their tablets, but if you start talking to the vast majority of the population about rooting, adb, etc. their eyes will glass over. A small vocal minority makes for a neat foruum experience, but it doesn't keep an operating system alive.
I honestly don't see how windows 8 will capture the hearts of the public with the tiles instead of icons. Icons have become so popular because they take advantage of people's natural ability to recognize shapes and patterns at a glance. With tiles, everything looks the same at a glance. I tried out windows 8 and I very quickly found myself having to concentrate more just to see which tile belong to what app. It was annoying as hell.
I tried wp7 and i must say it feels the same as it looks, blocky as hell and windows 8 looks the same. I love android because i can customize it, install whatever i want, root it, flash it, is fast, lots of updates, innovations etc.
I <3 windows on my pc, but <3 Android on my mobile devices and i think it will remain like that for a long time.
I find it hilarious that people are bashing Windows 8 so much. Reminds me of the Win7 beta and RC days.
EDIT: It also reminds me of the jump from Office 2003 to Office 2007/2010. Or jumping from XP to Win7. Familiarity can be a *****; change is good.
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Take all the stuff that iOS and Android never used because it sucked and bam! Windows 8!
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Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Good one!
If windows 8 tablets run on an x86 platform then you'll be able to run all windows apps including games on it so I could see them taking a chunk out of the existing laptop/tablet market.
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I love my Android tablet but it can't totally replace a PC yet. I've been thinking about the ASUS Eee Slate for a while. Price and the fact that Windows 7 is not really tablet optimized has held me back (plus my dismal experience with ASUS RMA's didn't help much). A well made tablet with a tablet optimized OS and a Wacom stylus interests me. I draw and need an office program to do schoolwork.
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If windows 8 tablets run on an x86 platform then you'll be able to run all windows apps including games on it...
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This is perhaps the most commonly held misconception out there.
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letsgophillyingeneral said:
I find it hilarious that people are bashing Windows 8 so much. Reminds me of the Win7 beta and RC days.
EDIT: It also reminds me of the jump from Office 2003 to Office 2007/2010. Or jumping from XP to Win7. Familiarity can be a *****; change is good.
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Believe it or not, I'm very excited about windows 8. I really am. My gripe with it is for some unfathomable reason they decided to use tiles instead of icons. This one thing will turn most people away.
I think Tweaked hit it on the head.
With nVidia's announced product schedule, one year will bring about huge changes in the tablet market. I don't think you have to worry about Windows 8, but if the huge juggernaut that is the iPad is not killing us right now, then Windows 8 can do absolutely no harm.
Google isn't going to let Android die. It's Google. What Windows 8 will do is bring more competition into the market, which is always a good thing for us consumers.
What will eventually become obsolete are phones and tablets with hardware that can't support Windows 8 or Google's new Android.
Android, and even iOS, are specifically written for a mobile platform.
They are designed to be energy efficient, work with reasonably priced hardware (OK, maybe not in the iOS case) and were built from the ground up for this purpose.
Microsoft is trying to make their desktop environment fit on a tablet.
It was not designed for the mobile platform, not even talking about the interface, I'm talking about efficiency and lack of bloat.
In order to maintain their compatibility they have to add a lot of (in most cases) unnecessary bloat for the few people that may require it.
I'm not bashing Microsoft, I'm just saying the can't shoe-horn their desktop OS on a mobile device and expect it to compete with devices that were specifically designed for the mobile space.
I think Windows 8 is going to fail miserably in the desktop market. I haven't tried it yet because I don't care to, but from what I've seen and heard it has a horrible interface that makes desktop use a horrible experience. The interface looks like it will be useful on a tablet but Microsoft has come too late into the tablet game and will have to bust their asses to catch up. All their apps for their ARM version has to be rewritten from the ground up so they essentially don't have any apps available compared to Android and iOS which have hundreds of thousands of apps available, the x86 version may have more success since they don't have to completely change everything. Although they do have a lot of work ahead of them because apparently they're ditching .NET and using a new language which developers have to learn, here's the kicker the development tools aren't even finished yet!
I don't think we have a lot to worry about considering that the iPad hasn't killed the Android tablet yet. I think a lot of people are going to get Windows 8 and see how much of a clusterfuck it is and wish they had never spent the money on it. Windows has always been a dirty OS that requires Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software to keep it usable, do you really want to have to use that stuff on your tablet also? I guess we'll have to see how it pans out. I think its going to be a miserable failure just like their phones are. It's their last ditch effort to stay relevant in the changing PC market.
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brando56894 said:
I think Windows 8 is going to fail miserably in the desktop market. I haven't tried it yet because I don't care to, but from what I've seen and heard it has a horrible interface that makes desktop use a horrible experience. The interface looks like it will be useful on a tablet but Microsoft has come too late into the tablet game and will have to bust their asses to catch up.
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umm what? Windows 8 does have the standard Windows interface. Metro is basically an overlay GUI. You can turn it on and off.
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I think Windows 8 is going to fail miserably in the desktop market. I haven't tried it yet because I don't care to,
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Stopped right there. Do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you start an argument off like that?
If you had played with one of the early Windows 8 builds, whether it be the Dev Editition or the Consumer Preview, you would've quickly realized that Windows 8 provides the same exact desktop experience as Windows 7 / Vista.
Like I said earlier in the thread:
letsgophillyingeneral said:
I find it hilarious that people are bashing Windows 8 so much. Reminds me of the Win7 beta and RC days.
EDIT: It also reminds me of the jump from Office 2003 to Office 2007/2010. Or jumping from XP to Win7. Familiarity can be a *****; change is good.
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Can this be done?
Could you install Windows 8 instead of Windows Phone 8 on a Nokia 920?
No can do on a Nokia 920? Will there be a smartphone that will have the hardware required by Windows 8 to make this possible?
I do understand that using some actual windows applications on a phone will be tedious and sometimes difficult. Its more a "Can and could if I wanted to" kind of thing for me.
BUT
Having Visual Studios, Win SCP and a lot of other software linked to the always on 4g internet...
in my pocket....
always available...
in that ooohhh so sexy red
I can't wait for that phone...
I have been able to do most of what I need to on my Samsung Vibrant. ES File Explorer has an AWESOME ftp option (and LAN!!)
But the screen is WAY to small to have code visible and a keyboard. Remote desktop has its obvious drawbacks, but I've used it.
Any thoughts questions of comments?
Thanks for reading my babble =P
Nick
ahhh, here comes the confusion from Microsoft's naming scheme....
NJDubois said:
Can this be done?
Could you install Windows 8 instead of Windows Phone 8 on a Nokia 920?
No can do on a Nokia 920? Will there be a smartphone that will have the hardware required by Windows 8 to make this possible?
I do understand that using some actual windows applications on a phone will be tedious and sometimes difficult. Its more a "Can and could if I wanted to" kind of thing for me.
Having Visual Studios, Win SCP and a lot of other software linked to the always on 4g internet...
I have been able to do most of what I need to on my Samsung Vibrant. ES File Explorer has an AWESOME ftp option (and LAN!!)
But the screen is WAY to small to have code visible and a keyboard. Remote desktop has its obvious drawbacks, but I've used it.
Nick
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No. There's no desktop on win phone 8. The ARM version won't support VS, even on tablets, though you won't be able to install it. Windows 8 RT(ARM) will only be available preinstalled on tablets.
If you've been satisfied with Android, and use features like a file explorer, keep in mind that many will NOT be available on win pho 8. If your existing phone is too small, consider the Galaxy S 3, Note, or other larger phones that are available on the market.
That's a shame! I had hopes that this would some how be possible.
Not even a modded version?
I have been following phone news like mad for 2 years. Pretty much since I got my vibrant. The S3 is AMAZING, but its android. There are things that I don't like about android, mainly fragmentation and its on going war with Apple.
I have had enough bad experiences with Android, for example :
1/3 into my 2 year contract with tmo and my Vibrant's USB port got water damage and I couldn't ODIN back to stock to install newer versions of Android. Also couldn't get the device fixed. Luckily I was able to do a factory reset every month or so as android just got useless. Frozen up at the unlock screen happens ALL the time, and usually happens with in a minute of reboot and isn't fixed until I do a reset. This didn't happen all the time, but always when I needed the device the most. For example, you have to reboot the device to get the GPS working after turning the option on, and of course BAM, phone keeps locking up. There has been times where I couldn't get to the dial a phone number screen, couldn't get visual voicemail to work and had a very important voice mail to check. took me 30 minutes to hear a 1 minute message! Than the time I was up till 8 am trying to get the phone to work because it was my only alarm clock and I couldn't get to the screen where I changed the time the alarm went off. All these issues are a result of having to root and mod my phone to get a newer maybe more secure version of android. I don't see a windows device having these problems.
Also, I am not a huge fan of Apple, but Apple has set itself up to deliver more complete experience's because of the control they have over there ecosystem. Apple TV's printers networks scanners and all that other stuff will just work with their phone. Well, I've been a user of windows for 15 years. Its what I know. I've been a windows developer for those 15 years. I don't see Google being able to provide that full functionality, I am not a fan of apple at all, and I think that Microsoft can get closer than Google. As it is, there isn't many devices you can plug into a windows system that windows wont be able to just start using. You know, this isn't windows 98 and older video games I'm trying to run.... lol
It really will be a shame if there is no way to get the desktop environment on my smartphone. Even more a shame when I could probably get a device compatible with Ubuntu's mobile stuff, and all the goodies that come with that. Wine, and now even Steam!
I don't know if this news sways my opinion of Windows Phone 8. I still crave the 920. My plan is to go out on Black Friday and get a top of the line device with full insurance for as cheap as possible. My next 2 years are not going to be a repeat of my first 2 years with a smartphone. November is still a few months off, and there is plenty of timed for other devices. Maybe even a decent smartphone with a Qwerty keyboard!!
I realize this post has kinda dragged on... sorry! And thanks for the replies!
[EDIT] The note is a great idea, but absolutely not an option. Douchtooths are the bane of my existence. And if I can't FTP into a server on a windows phone, why is Microsoft even bothering?
Nick
I have to say that it's unfortunate that you haven't had good experiences with android. I would think that the many devs on this site would have cooked up something that would fit your needs better, but if you broke your USB, then I guess you're kind of stuck with what you got. It's definitely true that android is very rough, especially with stock roms.
Win pho is there because it's targeting a different segment now. Win pho used to be something that was there to provide a feature rich experience. After WP7, "metro" looks
and interface idiot proofing has taken higher priority over actual functionality. As it is now WP8 has the least functionality when compared to Android and iOS, though it is supposed to be the easiest to use.
I would personally wait until a while after the lumias come out, and make sure that they do what you want before buying them. There are stories of people who bought WP7 phones thinking that they would have the features of WP 6.5. Those are stories of some very, very dissatisfied customers.
P.S.
No WINE on ARM ever. Remember, Wine Is Not an Emulator.
In all honesty who recommends windows 8 over windows 7 laptop?
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No one
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I've got it on my desktop...Im not impressed. It would be good on a tablet but for a pc, eh...
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I would go for it. Running windows 8 on my laptop and there are no downsides once you get used to the new interface.
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Who:
Gamers. It uses less system resources. Plus there are some decent games available in the Win8 store.
Anybody using multi-monitor systems; it has a bunch of cool new features for multi-mon.
Developers. If you want to write apps for the Windows Store, you have to be using Win8.
People buying very low-end PCs (see above comment about resources).
Anybody using virtualization (Client Hyper-V is awesome).
Anybody who wants to take advantage of Storage Spaces or other new Win8 features.
Anybody who wants their settings to sync automatically across their PCs (Windows account signin).
There are plenty of other advantages to Win8...
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Who:
Anybody using virtualization (Client Hyper-V is awesome).
There are plenty of other advantages to Win8...
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OK found a disadvantage (not really a disadvantage to the OS because it's a new, optional feature). On my computer, enabling hyper-v from windows setup locks the cpu to its max frequency, wasting the battery. Also, it breaks virtualbox so I can't boot guest os'es from there. Apparently, this only happens to Intel chips. So Hyper-V is really only worth it if you are only hosting Windows guests and 1) have an amd cpu or 2) have a desktop computer
Also, the new interface eats hdd space like crazy. Hdd usage has continuously been growing with each Windows release, but storage costs have been decreasing even faster, so it is a largely irrelevant issue, except that 1) windows 8 is meant to be used on low-capacity mobile devices, and 2) the advent of SSDs has led many users to replace their traditional HDDs with them, which leads to less storage space and a greater cost per gigabyte. Do not expect to run Windows 8 on a 32gb or smaller SSD unless the computer is going to be an Internet + Office device (as many $1500+ college student MacBooks become, ironically).
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In all honesty who recommends windows 8 over windows 7 laptop?
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people who know what their talking about. Get it, learn it, you won't regret it.
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In all honesty who recommends windows 8 over windows 7 laptop?
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Me. I have it on 2 laptops, a netbook, a tablet and a desktop.
Considering that you can activate Windows 7 with Windows 8 key, it only makes sense to get Windows 8 devices now. If you hate it, just get a Windows 7 installer and downgrade.
One that has too much free time to offer support after the purchase is being made.
My thought is - the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time (unless you abandon Windows for Linux or MacOS - or wait 4 years for Win9).
Honestly, I'm not a "get on the cutting edge" kind of guy most of the time, but I did upgrade one of my servers simply to support WinRT dev and Remote Apps. I have to say I like Win8. I kinda like the desktop mode better than Win7, and some of the new features are really nice.
Upgrades are cheap now. $40 for a legit upgrade to Win8 Pro if you do it before Jan 31. I plan to upgrade all of my stuff before then.
I have it on my gaming rig, and I love it now. Took me some time to get used to the interface. Now I have tons of custom tiles for my steam games. Also, some games run better. I'm getting straight fps boosts in most cases.
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I'd recommend it any day, I use it for my desktop and its great, the only time I use metro is when I use a metro app, some people are just over reacting to the whole new menu it really isn't that bad. I admit it that I would use the metro more if I had a touch screen as its made for that purpose but even with mouse it works quite good. Multiple monitors work great with it too
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OK found a disadvantage (not really a disadvantage to the OS because it's a new, optional feature). On my computer, enabling hyper-v from windows setup locks the cpu to its max frequency, wasting the battery. Also, it breaks virtualbox so I can't boot guest os'es from there. Apparently, this only happens to Intel chips. So Hyper-V is really only worth it if you are only hosting Windows guests and 1) have an amd cpu or 2) have a desktop computer
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It also breaks the Netflix app.
>the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time
Not really. I'm looking some sales info that's starting to roll in for Black Friday, and Win8 and associated hardware sales look like a major bust, worse than Vista. This of course goes double for WinRT and Surface RT. You can get some of the same indications by Googling (not Binging, heh) on "windows 8" sales black friday.
Some think that no matter how bad the adoption, Win8 will still succeed by virtue of being on every new PC. Again, not really. People are delaying their PC buys (and buying tablets instead), and Win7 is still an option.
All this isn't news to early adopters. Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic. The overpricing on Win8 laptops/hybrids only made it worse. Interest in Win8 desktops and tablets is minimal.
My best guess is that as a short-term fix, MS will release a SP to allow boot-to-desktop and putting back the Start button, effectively cleaving Metro out for the desktop crowd. This will need to happen soon, some time in spring, if there's to be any chance of salvaging Win8. IMO, Win8's rep is already irreparably damaged, and it'll be up to Blue to leave the stigma behind with a fall 2013 release.
For those still on the fence, my advice is don't bother with Win8. There'll be a "fixed" version coming, whether a SP or a Win9 coming down the pike, and whatever investment you make to transition to Win8 will be wasted, as you'll have to do it again. I say this as a Win8 user.
Now you know the real reason why Sinofsky is gone. If Win8 was a success like Win7, he'd still be around. But it doesn't take a whole quarter of sales to see whether Win8 flies or dies, and by this time MS should have ample data for sales projection.
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>the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time
Not really. I'm looking some sales info that's starting to roll in for Black Friday, and Win8 and associated hardware sales look like a major bust, worse than Vista. This of course goes double for WinRT and Surface RT. You can get some of the same indications by Googling (not Binging, heh) on "windows 8" sales black friday.
Some think that no matter how bad the adoption, Win8 will still succeed by virtue of being on every new PC. Again, not really. People are delaying their PC buys (and buying tablets instead), and Win7 is still an option.
All this isn't news to early adopters. Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic. The overpricing on Win8 laptops/hybrids only made it worse. Interest in Win8 desktops and tablets is minimal.
My best guess is that as a short-term fix, MS will release a SP to allow boot-to-desktop and putting back the Start button, effectively cleaving Metro out for the desktop crowd. This will need to happen soon, some time in spring, if there's to be any chance of salvaging Win8. IMO, Win8's rep is already irreparably damaged, and it'll be up to Blue to leave the stigma behind with a fall 2013 release.
For those still on the fence, my advice is don't bother with Win8. There'll be a "fixed" version coming, whether a SP or a Win9 coming down the pike, and whatever investment you make to transition to Win8 will be wasted, as you'll have to do it again. I say this as a Win8 user.
Now you know the real reason why Sinofsky is gone. If Win8 was a success like Win7, he'd still be around. But it doesn't take a whole quarter of sales to see whether Win8 flies or dies, and by this time MS should have ample data for sales projection.
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First of all, 8 hasn't "taken off" but the sales are on par with 7, and the launch sales were pretty significantly higher than 7.
"Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic."
This is pretty much bull****. Most self proclaimed "techies" who disliked it never even used it- it's all just "I read it was bad from some blogger and hey, let's all jump on the MS is stupid again bandwagon!"
Those that did use it never knew how to properly use it because they went in hating it, never gave a real effort to use it, *****ed about how hard it was and called their crappy self confirmation bias a terrible "experience". Experience my ass. Learning curves are not inherently bad. In fact most *real* "techies", ie server admins and people who can think for themselves, really like what 8 has to offer.
I suspect that a lot of PC gamers don't know what's good for them and hate 8 for no other reason than Gabe Newell hates 8. And you know why he hates 8? If you take what he says at face value, he sounds like an old fart who has used Macs all his life. The real reason is competition- he is worried that 8 might actually catch on and threaten steam sales via the store.
It's so hard to know what the average user actually thinks because the whole damned thing is so steeped in political and other various biases. But you know what I say? Shut your damn mouth. There's no reason to *not* buy 8 now that it's $40, there's nothing but benefits to the system, and all perceived "negative traits" are so easily changed or removed that I'm surprised the lazy assholes who refuse to get 8 because of them haven't died from starvation, being too lazy to stand up and go shove food at their faces.
There's nothing wrong with 8, it's well worth the money- telling people to "not bother" is only going to make a self fulfilling prophecy that does not need to happen.
GOOD DAY, SIR.
>But you know what I say? Shut your damn mouth...I'm surprised the lazy assholes who refuse to get 8 because of them haven't died from starvation, being too lazy to stand up and go shove food at their faces.
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Also, some games run better. I'm getting straight fps boosts in most cases.
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I'm pretty sure they've shown gaming increases to be negligible unless you're running hardware that has conflicts with Win 7 and not Win 8. I wanna say Tom's Hardware did a shootout where they ran the same two machines with Win 7 and Win 8 and showed +/- 2 FPS in all games except one.
Edit: Found the link
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html
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I suspect that a lot of PC gamers don't know what's good for them and hate 8 for no other reason than Gabe Newell hates 8.
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Hate is a pretty strong word. I don't hate Windows 8. I do hate the "Modern (Not Metro)" UI, as I feel it sacrifices information density and customization for the sake of aesthetics, which I find to be mostly useless. I don't care if my OS is pretty. I care if it works. I especially don't care if it's designed for a method of input that I not only do not own, but do not plan to purchase.
I've been using Windows my entire life. My first home computer (at 8 years old) had Windows 95. When the local computer store told us that we couldn't install Windows 98 (Not enough RAM), I took the copy home and installed it myself. I skipped 2000 and ME because they were garbage, and bought a new store-built for Windows XP. After the recovery partition got corrupted and HP told me that to get a copy of the discs would cost $60 + shipping, I went out and bought Windows XP Pro. I skipped Vista, because it was garbage, and bought a new Win 7 laptop a week after the launch of the new OS.
With my level of familiarity with the Windows OS I would say that I am a power user. I am equally comfortable on the command line and in the policy editors. With the latest incarnation of the OS Windows has lost me. I now have a laptop that I'm triple booting Win 7 Ult, Win 8 Pro, and Linux Mint Cinnamon, while my main computer (now degraded to file server) is running a bulletproof install of XP that hasn't been reinstalled since late 2004. It'd be on Win 7 ultimate if nVidia didn't buy out ULi and decide that making Vista+ drivers for their RAID hardware was a fruitless endeavor.
I love the fact that they have optimized the underlayings of the operating system. A more efficient registry with a lot of bloat cut out really increases Windows performance, and you can plainly tell in Windows 8. That along with features in Pro that I bought Win 7 Ult for is a big bonus, especially at the $40 price point.
My biggest gripes are touch input. It's a gimmick. I've spent the last 17 years yelling at my parents, coworkers, nieces, nephews, and any other asshole who dared touch my screen and leave their nasty greasy fingerprints on my display device. I don't want to touch my screen. Ever. It's a desktop computer, not a tablet, and requiring me to mimic campy finger gestures with my mouse is annoying. The neon pastel color scheme looks like it came out of My Little Ponie's My First Computer, and not an adult's operating system, and even customizing the colors leaves you with nasty shades. Then there's Windows Explorer. Imagine my frustration when I hit Alt+V and a ****ING RIBBON pops up with my options. I hated Ribbons in Office 2007, hoped they'd be gone in 2010, but at least they made major improvements. Now the same menu that used to be maybe 100 pixels by 100 pixels is expanded to fill up a 600 x 100 pixel space, with no additional functionality.
I feel like Microsoft is telling me that "[I'm] holding it wrong." I always bought Microsoft because of the level of customization I was afforded. Looks like it's finally time to learn Linux.
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>the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time
Not really. I'm looking some sales info that's starting to roll in for Black Friday, and Win8 and associated hardware sales look like a major bust, worse than Vista. This of course goes double for WinRT and Surface RT. You can get some of the same indications by Googling (not Binging, heh) on "windows 8" sales black friday.
Some think that no matter how bad the adoption, Win8 will still succeed by virtue of being on every new PC. Again, not really. People are delaying their PC buys (and buying tablets instead), and Win7 is still an option.
All this isn't news to early adopters. Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic. The overpricing on Win8 laptops/hybrids only made it worse. Interest in Win8 desktops and tablets is minimal.
My best guess is that as a short-term fix, MS will release a SP to allow boot-to-desktop and putting back the Start button, effectively cleaving Metro out for the desktop crowd. This will need to happen soon, some time in spring, if there's to be any chance of salvaging Win8. IMO, Win8's rep is already irreparably damaged, and it'll be up to Blue to leave the stigma behind with a fall 2013 release.
For those still on the fence, my advice is don't bother with Win8. There'll be a "fixed" version coming, whether a SP or a Win9 coming down the pike, and whatever investment you make to transition to Win8 will be wasted, as you'll have to do it again. I say this as a Win8 user.
Now you know the real reason why Sinofsky is gone. If Win8 was a success like Win7, he'd still be around. But it doesn't take a whole quarter of sales to see whether Win8 flies or dies, and by this time MS should have ample data for sales projection.
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First, Black Friday is now and has always been a day to offload all the old, **** stock. It is not now, nor has it ever been, about selling the new, current stock.
Microsoft has no interest in going backwards. There is a new SDK that is coming out that will merge Windows and Windows Phone development. In the future you will target screen size and resources, just like in the past. There will not be a desktop/mobile choice like there is now.
When Microsoft releases an update for Windows 8, it will no doubt be to remove MORE of the desktop features and move them to Metro. I already think there are way to many trips to the desktop for RT users to do things like configure keyboard, mouse, network, file management, etc.
No one thinks their computer is easier to use than their phone.
>Hate is a pretty strong word. I don't hate Windows 8.
As said, Win8 is no longer a new thing, having been in available to techies for over a year. We all have our opinions on it by now, and there's no need to justify it to anyone.
>With the latest incarnation of the OS Windows has lost me...I feel like Microsoft is telling me that "[I'm] holding it wrong."
Yes, legacy support was always the Windows mantra, going all the way back to Windows 3.0. It was the major reason that Win95 prevailed over OS/2 (anyone here old enough to remember that far back?) The Windows userbase got thrown under the bus in the rush to adopt mobile. Since Sinofsky was the man in charge, and as imperious as he was, I have little doubt of the culprit. That he's summarily tossed out face-first is a good sign that dumping the desktop may not have been a wise move, thus my expectation for rapproachment with the desktop crowd.
MS has trumpeted the "40 million licenses sold" pretty loudly, and is good fodder for fanboys to rally behind. But those who know the difference between sell-in vs sell-through take the PR spiel with a yawn. Yes, MS claimed the same for "strong" Vista sales vs XP five years ago.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Says-Vista-Sales-Strong/
>Microsoft has no interest in going backwards.
You can only forward if the userbase follows. There is no "going forward" if Win8 flops. Win7 still works just fine, just as XP still works just fine for a large segment of the userbase. Unlike years past where Win is the dominant monopoly, there are now viable choices. The many iPads users have lock-ins to Apple's ecosystem, and buying a Mac is becoming an appealing choice, even moreso if "new" Windows forces a substantial learning curve. Again, I say this as a current Win8 user.
>When Microsoft releases an update for Windows 8, it will no doubt be to remove MORE of the desktop features and move them to Metro.
The fundamental problem with the "Metro uber alles" view is that it can't replace the desktop WIMP metaphor with multiple overlapping windows. Try doing Photoshop, or any heavy-duty productivity applications with a single window (or the 1/4 split window). You can't. To say the desktop will disappear is just plain idiotic.
>No one thinks their computer is easier to use than their phone.
Spoken like a true consumer who only knows how to consume content rather than produce it. If yours were true, then you shouldn't be using Windows, because iOS and Android already have the phone market cornered.
Anyway, we'll know soon enough how Win8 sales go, once the new year rolls around. That's only a month away. Wait and see, yes?
@TheScaryOne: If you think 2000 was crap compared to 98, then you are part of the problem with why a Windows "Power User" is considered a complete joke on whoever would call themselves that. The entire Win9x family, from first release of 95 through to ME, was a complete technological backwater compared to the NT family (which includes 2000). Yes, it used a bunch of hand-tuned assembly code to let it boot up and run quickly on low-RAM systems, but in turn you sacrificed
* stability (soooo many crashes, and it was terrible at recovering from them)
* reliability (no filesystem journaling so data loss or corruption on a crash was common, etc.)
* security (it had *no* support for a permissions system so you couldn't run with anything other than "admin" permissions, and was full of exploitable bugs)
* portability (single-CPU x86 systems only, and low caps on amount of usable RAM and HDD space)
* features (the NT line was, especially back then, the only true "power user" environment).
OK, with that out of the way...
Why are you spending any time in the "metro" environment if you don't like it? Ever since Vista, if you actually use the Start menu with a mouse, you're doing it wrong. Windows key + <first few letters of program name> + Enter. You can be launching a program before Start finishes its load animation.
The ribbon takes up less space than a menu bar + toolbar, or than the Win7 "command bar" used in Explorer, unless you for some reason leave it open all the time. As a "power user" shouldn't you be using keyboard shortcuts and context menus instead of moving your mouse up to the top of the window anyhow? The ribbon is for people who aren't familiar with what a program can do, but want to find things. The keyboard (and to a lesser extend context menus) are for people who already know how to use the system. The old menus are for people who only ever learned a bunch of operations by rote... it may have taken me a whole week to get used to them, back when they first appeared in a pre-release version of what wasn't even yet called Office 2007.
... I could go on, but I'm not sure there's a point. If you want to live in the past and ignore the last half decade of usability improvements to Windows (which I'll admit Metro doesn't count as if you're using a mouse and keyboard, but it's only a very slight downgrade and since you didn't even mention that particular flaw I doubt you're even aware of it; if you use touch it's a *huge* upgrade though), nobody here can stop you. We might laugh and shake our heads, though.
Hi some time ago when windows 8.1 was still called blue there were some rumours that Micro$oft will merge its two platforms. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 would share she same Metro apps. This move should give M$ edge over Apple where you could have best of both worlds on single device. It seems now that this idea has been lost somewhere in 8.1 changelog.
So I was looking for revolution but it seems that we will receive just evolution. Oh and for most of the portals major change is the start button! Really?!
You seem to be suffering from some keyboard defect. I suggest you look into that. In the meantime, get back under your bridge.
Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?
It was never said that wp8 and w8 would become one and the same. You have misunderstood. Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain seperate.
>Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain desperate.
that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.
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that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.
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iPhone and iPad share apps simply because they are the same operating system. The iPad is just a giant iPhone. its the same as how one android phone and another share apps, they are the same thing.
Windows phone and windows 8 are not.
The desperate thing I said above, may be true but autocorrect fail, wrote it from my nexus this morning.
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Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?
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Purpose of his post is that you stop using that $ instead of S.
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Oh. I am sorry I didn't know that I hurt his / yours religious feelings.
Unless of course this gentleman refers to his home as "under the bridge" I read his post as simple attempt to offend.
In light of recent E3 news (xbox one- drm management, activation fees, price, Internet connection requirement to work, always-on camera pointing your face and listening all the time which you cannot just unplug) I thing that using $ instead of S is good way to comment the situation.
To end this pointless conversation - unless there there is a XDA rule which prohibits me to do so then please stop trolling and trying to offend other forum members.
Now coming back to 8.1 - is this correct what I understood from brief installation description that if you install this release you will have to reinstall all the programs if you would like to install final release?
"M$" and similar (and I'd apply this statement even to, for example, "$ony" which is a company I personally detest) is most commonly used as trolling behavior online. This is doubly true in a forum devoted to discussing Microsoft products. It's possible you had, and still have, a legit intention to create a meaningful discussion. However, it looked (and to an extent, still looks) like you're merely trying to stir up trouble.
I agree that the XbOne restrictions are nasty, but I have no intention of buying one, and this forum has nothing to do with that product.
The only hint I ever saw regarding merging the app models was a job posting about installing both XAP and APPX packages on the same platform. That's interesting, and does imply a merged app platform, but there's no guarantee it was even going to happen, much less when. To the best of my knowledge, Microsoft never officially said anything to the effect of "we will do this" although there's been rampant speculation since the Win8 beta days.
You are right. I has never been said officially thus my expectations and hopes to see any bits of confirmation during the press conference. When I haven seen any I asked the question here. Still must say I am looking forward this update (probably not for first public beta - if the rumours are true that you will have to reinstall all your applications).
Personally I believe that The Redmond company will need stronger impact to conquer more market right now windows 8 is getting the love it should receive as is being designed for touch but mostly is being use on non-touchscreen laptops and PC. Marked wasn't ready for this. So right approach would be IMO to get more tablet users on their side (look at the latest adverts windows 8 vs iPad). If 8" tablets market is good for win8 is another discussion thou.
But coming back to subject. Has this been confirm that win 8.1 final version cannot be I painless way installed on top of preview?
Cheers
In practice, it's pretty much always possible to do an in-place upgrade via tweaking a few files in the installer or a value in the registry. However, in-place upgrades are a bad enough idea even when they're supported; I really can't endorse doing it on your main system. I may well install the preview in a VM, though.
I think in this case I will rather wait for official final release. Hdd restrictions will not allow me to have more fun on vm. I am already running win8 on bootcamp so no more complications are required
Also partially as an answer to my initial question it has been announced that new halo game for win 8 and win phone 8 will not be a cross buy. These will be two independent apps so no one unified system for now at least.
Yeah, that's been the case for a number of games already. On the plus side, the games *can* still share data between platforms if you have it on boath, and you can earn achievemnts on both... which would matter more if I gave a damn about gamerscore (I've got like 3500, LOL) but some people really care.
Hi all. There is still light at the end of the tunnel (hope it's not a train
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...indows-phone-teams-in-titanic-microsoft-rejig