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No More Android or Apple OS !!!!

hey guys after watching this interview from Microsoft about Windows 8 , for tablets and PCs and laptops ,, i can truthfully say , am not going buy gtab10 or any tablets that support android . am going to wait for the release of any good company for tablet with OS windows 8 and surely i'll buy it ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnEndww2YQ&feature=player_embedded#at=16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDy-7IZBojo&feature=related
do you think android will get busted by windows 8 ?

i want this on my galaxy tab.....

exactly the same thing came to my mind after watching this

would that be possible? they tried arm that has dual core but how about our single core?

i think it will be so hard to fit windows 8 on galaxy tab .... its depend about the dev , anyways they didn't release it yet . now am thinking of buying tab10.1 or waiting for windows 8 with a good company like samsung and only samsung cuz its easy to play with it

Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho.

They announced support for ARM..

natious said:
Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho, and im glad you wont buy another android device, you should sell your tab now.
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don't be happy that much i can't sell my tab have u ever heard someone fall in love with a tab ? ? if u didn't u probably hear it now
that someone is me lolz .. and i didn't ask this to be on my tab !!!! am satisfied with overcome , am saying , windows 8 probably will eat android and mac OS .. maybe who knows

The problems of windows phone is not OS; its a market place, it seems empty. There is nothing on it.
I have used hd2 for couple of month and love user interface of windows but when i open market , it made me mad.
iOS is not a great os , but its apps make it great. Android is growing but windows is all empty place. I will not switch to windows tab unless it has some nice market place.
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Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.

I'm willing to give it a try, but I can't say if it'll be better than Android or iOS or QNIX. It's still too early to speculate.
@liniutze
- My Ubuntu crashes a lot more than Windows. My Windows 7 hasn't had a BSOD for a year already.
- Not have root is no problem as long as it will work, imo. What they have to do is to make it idiot-proof.
- We can't really say. There are a lot of free apps for the desktop copy of Windows. If they manage to port a lot of great apps, then money is no problem as long as their quality is nice.
Besides, I expected Apple to have apps which costs like $100. I was wrong, considering that Apple seem to have a more, "prestige" perspective than Windows. I mean, their laptops alone costs twice than Windows laptops.

liniutze said:
Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.
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Exactly. I can't believe this is even a conversation. Android is the fastest growing mobile OS out there. There are over 300,000 Android handsets activated each day. That's a pretty amazing stat. I for one won't give up Android, especially for Windows.
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Windows 8 seems great, so this will make people from google to make Android OS even better and that's good for us. Even Windows 7 is actually incredible.
As for iOS, Americans and British will always buy this crap...
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What a joke they said windows mobile 7 was going tobe the one not mobiles windows is old history move on.
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ive tried wp7 on a friends phone and its snappy and integrates well with social sites. however, i dont even have an active facebook account and i dont even remember by password in twitter. the only online socialiazing i do is post to forums.
i might have bought one myself but the deal breaker is the missing wifi hotspot functionality. don't count windows mobile out yet. who knows wp8 might be great.
as for windows 8, i think they should retain the current desktop ui as windows 7 is great. the touch interface should only be an option that can be turned on/off. admit it, the keyboard and mouse combo still is supreme if you really needs to get some serious work done. the touch interface for desktop is only good for kiosks or presentations.
the reason for the popularity of other OS alternatives is microsofts fault also. they started going into consoles and put less priority on games for windows. they are diminishing their biggest advantage over the other OSes on home use.. and now if they make windows 8 "touch only", they effectively killed gaming in PCs and i might as well move on to mac.

Where is innovation?
1. They advertise HTML5, Javascript etc as innovation feature, however, the same is possible on both Android and iOS. From my perspective Java is much more capable than any of these. It is object oriented and better suited for large projects.
2. Live applications = widgets on Android
3. There is nothing said about the framework and multitasking.
4. Windows will be a closed platform undoubtedly.
So far it looks like simply a promise and marketing show.

So Yea
I saw the videos and Wow, but then if everything was like in Microsoft Marketing Cuckooland we all be using fling cars and booking our holidays to Saturn directly from our courier file manager (does anyone remember courier?)
In the real world
Android is far more customizable than WM7, and yes probably tiles are nice and better than static icons, but widgets are even more powerful than tiles, hell, you can customize your own widgets in some cases (Check Maker Your Clock Application for example) or even use live wall papers to display info.
If you put your mind to it You can make your android phone to do whatever WM7 do and then some, same goes for ios, lots of things are doable in Android, the only thing needed is people interested and willing to code the right applications.
In WM7 and iOS, sorry, close source, not allowed.
When Win8 comes out and then I see it running in tablets and can compare with whatever version of Android or Chromium and whatever is out call me,
P.S. rest assured that neither Goggle nor Apple wont be seated doing nothing and waiting for MS to take their market share
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this would make a better tablet with a dock than the transformer! you use you tablet with the same os as you laptops and desktops.
and a marketplace isn't needed. there are tons of sources for windows apps. it may be helpful for a noob, but I know where to get all my software... legally.
if this works well I can see windows taking over both iOS and android. especially if it's as "open" as windows on desktops are. no freaking having to work for root.

No wonder after watching M$ you are euphoric. Its simple social engeneering. Playing on emotions and expectations. The truth is more prosaic. Windows core idea was build on using mouse. MS tried tablets niche many times in the past but never suceeded. Do you imagine mouse with tablet?
This time it will be the same. Much hype will poooof quickly.
I dont consider using windows powered tab since I met android. In fact I have two various fujitsu tabs laying around collecting dust. I need windows to work but for everything else I use android because of easy of use.
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I do like the Look of the Touch UI, but it's just a UI.. Surely that can be duplicated to some extent under Android. If not now defiantly in future releases?

Kindle Fire or Win8 Tablet?

Who is going to wait for the rumored Windows 8 OS on a Tablet?

Wish I could wait, but I must have the Fire. Maybe someone will get W8 running on the Fire, but with only 8GB to play with, it would be pretty crippled.

I am inclined to wait for Win8 but this Metro theme has me a little worried.

Windows 8 isn't open source so it wont be on the Kindle.
I think it will be a while before win 8 is finalized and ready to be shipped, (at least 6 months imo) I want win 8, but there's no way I can wait that long. Plus there is no way anything will compete with the Kindles price tag

Having a rooted NC eliminates any desire or need for the AF. Am curiously watching the development of Win8 though.
Agree with the above that it's extremely unlikely the AF can or will run Win8.

I highly doubt we'll see a Windows 8 tablet at $199.

Very true, unless the Win8 tablet were wi-fi only. Also, waiting on Win8 tablets will allow time for development on the Kindle Fire to ramp up.

Anyone see the lenovo? 250 for16gb gingerbread, and Google access.
I apologize for posting in the wrong thread. Scrolled down and found one dedicated to the a1.
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Looked up the lenovo A1 and from the specs I'd go with the Kindle Fire.

Let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
Semantics I know but it's the way I see it.

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Who is going to wait for the rumored Windows 8 OS on a Tablet?
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Seems they are polar opposite for premise, so not an apple to apple comparison.
Windows 8 will be a multi-faceted and scalable platform for tablets on up to desktops, where as Kindle is an iTunes clone with heavy emphasis on their cloud storage.
Perhaps the Kindle 2 or even 2.5 would be the better point for discussion, since about a year away from Windows 8 tablets.

Lol technically Windows 8 won't have to be opensource to run on tablets, with this rendition Microsoft is allowing it to run on ARM processors. Although, since the Fire supposedly has a TI OMAP chip, it may be unlikely.

It will make an interesting holiday season 2011. Apps on android are nice but full applications as used on Laptops or Desktops on a Windows 8 tablet would be refreshing. Now, if it'll only have a GSM radio for wireless web.

skeeterpro said:
Let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
Semantics I know but it's the way I see it.
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Well if the AF gets rooted.... It's a simple matter of adding Android APP store and the necessary SYNC-ing... I don't know how hard it will be as they have already said that they aren't actively stopping anyone. As far as space you could do like I did on my droid1 and delete the official ROM than install the new one from CR... Though I know a lot of people dislike this, its the way we used to do it. And if you have both the amazon cloud and the google cloud. And your android phone (if you have one). 200 ain't too bad a deal. Either way for the purpose of Ereading on the subway? And looking at the newspaper? I think this is suitable even at stock. For the rest I have a netbook a desktop a laptop a phone and and IPOD touch.

I think question isn't correct, cause win8 wasn't release. There will be the new Kindle when win8 will be ready.
Sorry for my bad english...

I was asking if anyone thinks waiting for Windows 8 devices is a good idea or not wait and get the Kindle fire now.
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Or just install Windows 8 on a 7 tablet
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Highly developed Android is good enough for Kindle fire and i don't except too much, maybe after i'm tired of Android, i will think about Windows

Oh god, does this thread actually exist? Are you new to planet Earth?
Welcome...
Microsoft is known for many things... Simplicity and stability are not two of them. "Ease of use" goes only as deep as the UI layer, which is thin.
Microsoft is also notorious for getting first releases wrong, then the next version would be tolerable, but still not great, and never perfect- win 95/win 98, Vista/win 7 would be just two examples. And this is by far microsoft's most ambitious leap.
Not to mention, the concept of "windows on a tablet" has failed for over 10 years... And those years having the advantage of the perception by most that Windows was the only OS on the planet, for most people.
For consumers who want a tablet for casual use, they want it to just work... They don't want to need an MCSE or a friend to burden with support...
Note Apple wasn't silly enough to put a halloween costume on Mac OS and use that on their tablets...
IPads are successful because they are an escape from the groans and headaches of Windows, not just because they are tablets. The only thing different between them and ten prior years of "windows on a tablet" failures is that there's no Windows headaches on board.
People have already voted with their wallets, they want a simple OS that is stable, and runs cheap/free apps. It is microsoft themselves who paved the path for ipad success by making Windows too ambitious, therefore too complicated.
Putting ANOTHER layer on top of already-complex, already-heavy Windows is like a halloween costume... It tries to hide what's underneath, makes for a few oohs and aahs if done well, but that's fantasy... What's reality is what is under the costume.
Plus, MS is wasting the opportunity they could have had with WP7...
the world has not only embraced simple mobile touch OS's, but the paradigm has shifted so people expect them.
...yet MS won't commit development to WP7 as their "we need to compete seriously with Android and iOS" operating system.
Instead, they are going to try to spread already "use-it-if-i-must" OS of the desktops of yesteryear in an impossibly ambitious direction.
...and, not only won't it be out for another year, but history shows us the first release won't be good... It'll be at least two years for a stable one that at least partially addresses criticisms, all the while the new mobile OS paradigm is shaping public expectation in a way that isn't Windows... No matter what halloween costume you put on the presentation layer.
Plus, haven't you seen the preview vids? It's a schizophrenic OS... MS apparently doesn't even have full confidence in the new UI: You must switch into legacy-windows-UI mode for certain things. Ugh.
I can't see anyone in 2014 doing anything but largely rejecting this, continuing Microsoft's legacy of "windows on a tablet" failures.
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I think it all depends on your money and if you can wait. ASUS said that in mid to late 2012 they will launch Win. 8 tablets. I don't see any decent ones coming before that. Win. 8 will be good, I'm excited (I don't care what you unbelievers say) but it'll be a while for a tablet to come out. The Fire is only $200. That means that after a year you will get your money's worth out of it and you would be able to get a beefier tablet once Win. 8 becomes available, since it's only available to developers and not the general public as of now. I'm getting the Fire and hold off for a better Win. 8 tablet in about 1 year and I would suggest that to others.
If you don't have the money to get both and you can wait, then wait for a Win. 8 tablet because they will be awesome. NVIDIA is launching the Tegra 3 later this year which is amazing. They will most likely launch another CPU for the Win. 8 tablets.
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Not to mention, the concept of "windows on a tablet" has failed for over 10 years... And those years having the advantage of the perception by most that Windows was the only OS on the planet, for most people.
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Plus, MS is wasting the opportunity they could have had with WP7...
the world has not only embraced simple mobile touch OS's, but the paradigm has shifted so people expect them.
...yet MS won't commit development to WP7 as their "we need to compete seriously with Android and iOS" operating system.
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In my opinion you are wrong! Win. 8 interface is based off of WP. 7 as far as I can tell. And you claim that they aren't developing for WP 7? What do you mean? Have you heard of the Mango update? It's a beast of an update! They are using WP. 7 as a base and optimizing it for a tablet. They aren't doing the normal windows things with the desktop and start menu. They see that WP. 7's metro is working and using that on Win. 8. And all of the videos say that they are excited for the release and if they weren't dedicated to make it awesome, why would they make it? Yes, they've screwed up in the past, but that they have learned from their mistakes and no OS is going to be bug proof, especially if you consider the amount of users that use Windows! The only reason that WP 7 hasn't taken off like Android and iPhone has is because there aren't a lot of phones available for it. Android took a couple of years to explode and it didn't hit big until the Droid phase, which isn't the first Android phone. Win. 8 will be good, just give it time.

will w8 do better than android??

i read somewhere that w8 has the potential of outselling android in the future.. what do you all think?

I think it is very probable that it will do better then android as google has not done very well at least compared to apple in the tablet area. wp8 is touch focused and is a very good OS and google and apple should be very worried.

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wp8 is touch focused and is a very good OS and google and apple should be very worried.
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i think your on to something ere

All 3 companies are very good at stealing each others ideas so I doubt any of them will suffer much from Windows 8. Fundamentaly all 3 do the same job, so it comes down too personal preference, with that I should say Mac fans wont buy Windows 8 and nor will Android Fans or visa versa. Windows 8 simply allows Microsoft to play with the other boys in the Tablet field. I don't believe its the killer blow that will knock the others out of the ring.

I don't think it's going to do better than android, but it's going to gobble up a large portion of the market. WindowsPhone 8 is going to have support for MicroSD cards, native code and multi core processors, which all point to it being better than both iOS and Android. I'm honestly considering skipping the SGS3 and waiting for a Windows Phone "Apollo" phone instead.
WP7 is already the fastest OS of the three, and with support for even faster and better hardware, it's going to be just lightning quick.
Exciting times ahead!

m0nkf1sh said:
All 3 companies are very good at stealing each others ideas so I doubt any of them will suffer much from Windows 8. Fundamentaly all 3 do the same job, so it comes down too personal preference, with that I should say Mac fans wont buy Windows 8 and nor will Android Fans or visa versa. Windows 8 simply allows Microsoft to play with the other boys in the Tablet field. I don't believe its the killer blow that will knock the others out of the ring.
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I don't agree so much with this. I'm a Mac and I own an Android phone.
I guess it is down to appreciating the software engineering side of things.
I love how my Mac "just works", however do not appreciate the way iOS devices seem to only be designed for children who need the restrictions and wouldn't do much else than play games, read, learn, etc.
I also appreciate Android devices for the freedom and endless opportunities.
Windows 8... It is pretty cool, however, I'd rather not a tablet that is prone to PC viruses AND locked to only the one OS. Apple are also guilty with the whole "locked to one OS" philosophy.
Then again, the Linux kernel is my preference over the bloated one from Microsoft.

Leigh Kennedy said:
I don't agree so much with this. I'm a Mac and I own an Android phone.
I guess it is down to appreciating the software engineering side of things.
I love how my Mac "just works", however do not appreciate the way iOS devices seem to only be designed for children who need the restrictions and wouldn't do much else than play games, read, learn, etc.
I also appreciate Android devices for the freedom and endless opportunities.
Windows 8... It is pretty cool, however, I'd rather not a tablet that is prone to PC viruses AND locked to only the one OS. Apple are also guilty with the whole "locked to one OS" philosophy.
Then again, the Linux kernel is my preference over the bloated one from Microsoft.
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It would be nice to stop insulting people who prefer efficiency more than complexity. It's getting old.

I think the Microsoft strategy is starting to show itself and I with with in 18 months there will be more METRO devices than Android and even IOS...
I expect Microsoft to virtually give Windows 8 away for Free or at least very cheaply. This is because of the huge potential to make money from the APP STORE so they don`t need to charge much for the OS itself.
Now Windows 7 sold 400 Million Licences as of July 2011 so by Windows 8 release in say Oct 2012 there could be 600 Million Windows 7 PC`s in use...
If only 50% upgrade to a Windows 8 within six months you could be talking about 300 Million customers for METRO APPS a year from now. That is even before any new PC`s or Tablets are sold.
This could even impact the smartphone sales numbers going forward as Windows Phone 8 is likely to be very similar to Windows 8 thus increasing it`s awareness and familiarity to the average person.
With a potential market of 300 Million + customers ...I expect METRO APPS to look better and be more feature rich than Android and IOS APPS, I think this will help drive the sales of Windows 8 tablet hardware.
A year from now Android will be finished in the tablet game and Apple will have big big competition!!

jerome snail said:
It would be nice to stop insulting people who prefer efficiency more than complexity. It's getting old.
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Uh... Okay then.
Definitely nowhere near what I was intending to do.
Unless you were trying to troll.
I was only expressing my opinion. If you don't like it then ignore. The whole fanboy thing is getting old.

Future is full of uncertainty, no body had ever thought that Nokia vl have to compete with other companies for selling dr product, there was time when N series was consider as kind of huge status but now we have only two major OS iOS n Android outrunning symbian. So just wait n watch how win8 gets ported to phones n tablets.

Will Windows have something like Rosetta to support millions of existing programs on ARM? no.
I said programs, not apps because most people want Windows as they have a need to run Windows programs. That is why Linux and even Macs are limited in growth. And these programs are huge and hard to port due by developers due to libraries dependencies. Moreover, some of these program are specific for an industry/product and weren't updated for years, but people still need to use them. That is why Vista failed and people still use vulnerable XP, even when Windows 7 is out.
But do people need to have Windows to run apps? No. There is thousands of apps for Android and iPad. And I don't think that number of Metro apps will be greater than for Android at launch. So why anyone would want Windows on arm instead of iPad/Android?

Well android is still an os for mobilephones... It's not made for tablets. W8 will be good on a tablet so i think you are right..

borjeboy said:
Well android is still an os for mobilephones... It's not made for tablets. W8 will be good on a tablet so i think you are right..
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Android on a tablet works quite well though.
Yes, I do look forward to seeing how Windows 8 would work, however, the UEFI is what I don't agree with.
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The whole "locking the device to only one OS" is why I won't buy an iPad...
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Leigh Kennedy said:
Then again, the Linux kernel is my preference over the bloated one from Microsoft.
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NT kernel is bloated

I think whoever gets the first mid-range tablet out at the right price point will win. This is total opinion, but my gut tells me the magic number for price is the $200-$300 dollar range for a mass market tablet. Saw glimpses of this during the HP Touchpad fire sale and the Kindle Fire before the user complaints of the device started coming in.
This needs to be a full featured tablet and not the ones that feel watered down that are currently offered at this price range. I think Android has the advantage but w8 could do well if they can offer something that is less clunky and can really nail the backward compatibility of x86 programs.

[Q] Put windows 8 on ipad for free

Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?

install win8 on ipad2? you're kidding, right?

OptimusLove said:
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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Just a quick question, what is it you are wanting to do?
im not sure if you quite understand what is going on with Splashtop , your not installing Windows 8, your using a remote VM that's streamed to your ipad.
besides that, Win 8 ARM isn't available to us, its not a retail product, we have no idea how hard it is going to be to rip out the OS and install it on other devices, or indeed if its possible at all
What you could try, and I don't have an ipad so I cant be sure it would work, is use a web service such as logmein,
setup a win 8 desktop somewhere, then install logmein, if your ipad will allow it log on to the logmein service and connect to your Win 8 desktop, technically you now have a crude version of Splashtops product

OptimusLove said:
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).

??? how will that work ???
How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?

This will never be possible =[

Taimur Akmal said:
First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).
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Not to mention that iBoot is very particular about what it downloads during recovery.
Cogixo: it's possible with both Mac and Windows PCs, Bootcamp and Hackintoshing (respectively). But on Apple's ARM based tablet? Probably not (in fact, definitely not going to be too possible)
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Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.

junpeikawada said:
Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.
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I had to explain the same thing to my friend who switched from iOS to Android and asked me why he couldn't use Java when "cloud browse for iOS could". Had to explain to him that all he was seeing was a Linux system shunting the images from the java site to his iPod.
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:laugh: this is kind of joke.... :laugh:

hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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LOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!

If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)

Put DOS on your macbook. U can really do it for free)

cogixo said:
How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?
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The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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DavidinCT said:
If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.

pflatlyne said:
The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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While there is quite a lot of misinformation in your post, as I don't have a laptop at the minute, I'll only point out a few.
One, your using "vaporware" to describe metro apps on a system currently in active development. This is like you releasing a program currently in development and people calling it vaporware during it's beta release because there's no plugins "yet". Metro applications do exist and are growing in number.
Two, Microsoft has stated many times that RT would not run standard windows applications and I'm sure that will be in the advertising for the surface RT as well. Metro has enough apps for your causal tablet user. If casual joe wants standard windows applications, he'll buy a Surface Pro.
Three, Microsoft stated that Windows 8 was not going to have so many editions in this release. Not to mention that Windows 8 on a Surface Pro and RT (and probably WP8) will run the same Metro applications. Windows 8 on a surface pro will run the same applications as the normal computer.
Four, Microsoft is probably not going to scrap Metro. They've got enough of a user base on Windows 8 (since Developers Preview) to have enough information about metro. IMHO, if there was to be any inclination to scrap metro, we would've seen it in Release Preview with an on/off switch. Besides, they've put so much work into the interface and making that interface unified across their services and software.
As I said, I would write more if it weren't for the fact that I'm currently in the process of a move and my laptop's charger died on me.
No offense is meant by my post here, just thought I'd clear up some confusion that you seem to have.
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pflatlyne said:
The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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i disagree with you completely, just cause something has changed doesnt mean it is bad, metro is an amazing UI for both touch and keyboard and mouse, sure it takes some getting use to but it will always be like that and i dont think you have even tried windows 8, the windows store already has a bunch of metro apps and the os isnt even released as a final product yet. as for windows rt, i feel that will succeed because it is enough for average joe blow to browse the web and play some small games, and even if you need to run pc programs, im 100% sure there will be emulation for x86/x64 programs whether its native or its from a third party company like vmware.
tbh you are being a fanboy so please dont lie to yourself by saying you're not, you're comparing an unreleased os to a failed os because webos doesnt have any apps and windows 8 doesnt have many in its current state and on top of that, you're defending current tablet os's at every chance you get just because they have more apps
heck the reason you NEED an app to do something on ios and android is because you cant do much with the built in apps, have you tried using facebook's desktop site on your android tablet, the experience is terrible, nothing clicks right, you cant hover over drop menus, ect. while on IE10 everything works the way it should, it doesnt freezee or try to click something behind a drop menu, everything just works
and yes i am being a fanboy, windows 8 is the future for mobile computing, especially when there are going to be so many hybrid laptop tablets coming out in the near future, windows 8 would have done what the ipad and android tabs have failed to do, kill the laptop

I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom

mtmerrick said:
I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom
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but it could do, future Atoms will be developed and improved uppon, there is no technically reason Win8 Pro wont run on an Atom or an i7!
infact id put money it there being mid level devices released some time after the initial release to fill the void between ARM and i5 although in saying that there is apparently only 10w difference between the two so perhaps new i3s will become the new Atom ultra low watt SKUs

Windows 7 or 8 which...

In all honesty who recommends windows 8 over windows 7 laptop?
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No one
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I've got it on my desktop...Im not impressed. It would be good on a tablet but for a pc, eh...
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I would go for it. Running windows 8 on my laptop and there are no downsides once you get used to the new interface.
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Who:
Gamers. It uses less system resources. Plus there are some decent games available in the Win8 store.
Anybody using multi-monitor systems; it has a bunch of cool new features for multi-mon.
Developers. If you want to write apps for the Windows Store, you have to be using Win8.
People buying very low-end PCs (see above comment about resources).
Anybody using virtualization (Client Hyper-V is awesome).
Anybody who wants to take advantage of Storage Spaces or other new Win8 features.
Anybody who wants their settings to sync automatically across their PCs (Windows account signin).
There are plenty of other advantages to Win8...

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Who:
Anybody using virtualization (Client Hyper-V is awesome).
There are plenty of other advantages to Win8...
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OK found a disadvantage (not really a disadvantage to the OS because it's a new, optional feature). On my computer, enabling hyper-v from windows setup locks the cpu to its max frequency, wasting the battery. Also, it breaks virtualbox so I can't boot guest os'es from there. Apparently, this only happens to Intel chips. So Hyper-V is really only worth it if you are only hosting Windows guests and 1) have an amd cpu or 2) have a desktop computer
Also, the new interface eats hdd space like crazy. Hdd usage has continuously been growing with each Windows release, but storage costs have been decreasing even faster, so it is a largely irrelevant issue, except that 1) windows 8 is meant to be used on low-capacity mobile devices, and 2) the advent of SSDs has led many users to replace their traditional HDDs with them, which leads to less storage space and a greater cost per gigabyte. Do not expect to run Windows 8 on a 32gb or smaller SSD unless the computer is going to be an Internet + Office device (as many $1500+ college student MacBooks become, ironically).

ganggreen30 said:
In all honesty who recommends windows 8 over windows 7 laptop?
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people who know what their talking about. Get it, learn it, you won't regret it.
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ganggreen30 said:
In all honesty who recommends windows 8 over windows 7 laptop?
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Me. I have it on 2 laptops, a netbook, a tablet and a desktop.

Considering that you can activate Windows 7 with Windows 8 key, it only makes sense to get Windows 8 devices now. If you hate it, just get a Windows 7 installer and downgrade.

One that has too much free time to offer support after the purchase is being made.

My thought is - the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time (unless you abandon Windows for Linux or MacOS - or wait 4 years for Win9).
Honestly, I'm not a "get on the cutting edge" kind of guy most of the time, but I did upgrade one of my servers simply to support WinRT dev and Remote Apps. I have to say I like Win8. I kinda like the desktop mode better than Win7, and some of the new features are really nice.
Upgrades are cheap now. $40 for a legit upgrade to Win8 Pro if you do it before Jan 31. I plan to upgrade all of my stuff before then.

I have it on my gaming rig, and I love it now. Took me some time to get used to the interface. Now I have tons of custom tiles for my steam games. Also, some games run better. I'm getting straight fps boosts in most cases.
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I'd recommend it any day, I use it for my desktop and its great, the only time I use metro is when I use a metro app, some people are just over reacting to the whole new menu it really isn't that bad. I admit it that I would use the metro more if I had a touch screen as its made for that purpose but even with mouse it works quite good. Multiple monitors work great with it too
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OK found a disadvantage (not really a disadvantage to the OS because it's a new, optional feature). On my computer, enabling hyper-v from windows setup locks the cpu to its max frequency, wasting the battery. Also, it breaks virtualbox so I can't boot guest os'es from there. Apparently, this only happens to Intel chips. So Hyper-V is really only worth it if you are only hosting Windows guests and 1) have an amd cpu or 2) have a desktop computer
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It also breaks the Netflix app.

>the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time
Not really. I'm looking some sales info that's starting to roll in for Black Friday, and Win8 and associated hardware sales look like a major bust, worse than Vista. This of course goes double for WinRT and Surface RT. You can get some of the same indications by Googling (not Binging, heh) on "windows 8" sales black friday.
Some think that no matter how bad the adoption, Win8 will still succeed by virtue of being on every new PC. Again, not really. People are delaying their PC buys (and buying tablets instead), and Win7 is still an option.
All this isn't news to early adopters. Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic. The overpricing on Win8 laptops/hybrids only made it worse. Interest in Win8 desktops and tablets is minimal.
My best guess is that as a short-term fix, MS will release a SP to allow boot-to-desktop and putting back the Start button, effectively cleaving Metro out for the desktop crowd. This will need to happen soon, some time in spring, if there's to be any chance of salvaging Win8. IMO, Win8's rep is already irreparably damaged, and it'll be up to Blue to leave the stigma behind with a fall 2013 release.
For those still on the fence, my advice is don't bother with Win8. There'll be a "fixed" version coming, whether a SP or a Win9 coming down the pike, and whatever investment you make to transition to Win8 will be wasted, as you'll have to do it again. I say this as a Win8 user.
Now you know the real reason why Sinofsky is gone. If Win8 was a success like Win7, he'd still be around. But it doesn't take a whole quarter of sales to see whether Win8 flies or dies, and by this time MS should have ample data for sales projection.

e.mote said:
>the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time
Not really. I'm looking some sales info that's starting to roll in for Black Friday, and Win8 and associated hardware sales look like a major bust, worse than Vista. This of course goes double for WinRT and Surface RT. You can get some of the same indications by Googling (not Binging, heh) on "windows 8" sales black friday.
Some think that no matter how bad the adoption, Win8 will still succeed by virtue of being on every new PC. Again, not really. People are delaying their PC buys (and buying tablets instead), and Win7 is still an option.
All this isn't news to early adopters. Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic. The overpricing on Win8 laptops/hybrids only made it worse. Interest in Win8 desktops and tablets is minimal.
My best guess is that as a short-term fix, MS will release a SP to allow boot-to-desktop and putting back the Start button, effectively cleaving Metro out for the desktop crowd. This will need to happen soon, some time in spring, if there's to be any chance of salvaging Win8. IMO, Win8's rep is already irreparably damaged, and it'll be up to Blue to leave the stigma behind with a fall 2013 release.
For those still on the fence, my advice is don't bother with Win8. There'll be a "fixed" version coming, whether a SP or a Win9 coming down the pike, and whatever investment you make to transition to Win8 will be wasted, as you'll have to do it again. I say this as a Win8 user.
Now you know the real reason why Sinofsky is gone. If Win8 was a success like Win7, he'd still be around. But it doesn't take a whole quarter of sales to see whether Win8 flies or dies, and by this time MS should have ample data for sales projection.
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First of all, 8 hasn't "taken off" but the sales are on par with 7, and the launch sales were pretty significantly higher than 7.
"Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic."
This is pretty much bull****. Most self proclaimed "techies" who disliked it never even used it- it's all just "I read it was bad from some blogger and hey, let's all jump on the MS is stupid again bandwagon!"
Those that did use it never knew how to properly use it because they went in hating it, never gave a real effort to use it, *****ed about how hard it was and called their crappy self confirmation bias a terrible "experience". Experience my ass. Learning curves are not inherently bad. In fact most *real* "techies", ie server admins and people who can think for themselves, really like what 8 has to offer.
I suspect that a lot of PC gamers don't know what's good for them and hate 8 for no other reason than Gabe Newell hates 8. And you know why he hates 8? If you take what he says at face value, he sounds like an old fart who has used Macs all his life. The real reason is competition- he is worried that 8 might actually catch on and threaten steam sales via the store.
It's so hard to know what the average user actually thinks because the whole damned thing is so steeped in political and other various biases. But you know what I say? Shut your damn mouth. There's no reason to *not* buy 8 now that it's $40, there's nothing but benefits to the system, and all perceived "negative traits" are so easily changed or removed that I'm surprised the lazy assholes who refuse to get 8 because of them haven't died from starvation, being too lazy to stand up and go shove food at their faces.
There's nothing wrong with 8, it's well worth the money- telling people to "not bother" is only going to make a self fulfilling prophecy that does not need to happen.
GOOD DAY, SIR.

>But you know what I say? Shut your damn mouth...I'm surprised the lazy assholes who refuse to get 8 because of them haven't died from starvation, being too lazy to stand up and go shove food at their faces.
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Also, some games run better. I'm getting straight fps boosts in most cases.
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I'm pretty sure they've shown gaming increases to be negligible unless you're running hardware that has conflicts with Win 7 and not Win 8. I wanna say Tom's Hardware did a shootout where they ran the same two machines with Win 7 and Win 8 and showed +/- 2 FPS in all games except one.
Edit: Found the link
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html
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I suspect that a lot of PC gamers don't know what's good for them and hate 8 for no other reason than Gabe Newell hates 8.
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Hate is a pretty strong word. I don't hate Windows 8. I do hate the "Modern (Not Metro)" UI, as I feel it sacrifices information density and customization for the sake of aesthetics, which I find to be mostly useless. I don't care if my OS is pretty. I care if it works. I especially don't care if it's designed for a method of input that I not only do not own, but do not plan to purchase.
I've been using Windows my entire life. My first home computer (at 8 years old) had Windows 95. When the local computer store told us that we couldn't install Windows 98 (Not enough RAM), I took the copy home and installed it myself. I skipped 2000 and ME because they were garbage, and bought a new store-built for Windows XP. After the recovery partition got corrupted and HP told me that to get a copy of the discs would cost $60 + shipping, I went out and bought Windows XP Pro. I skipped Vista, because it was garbage, and bought a new Win 7 laptop a week after the launch of the new OS.
With my level of familiarity with the Windows OS I would say that I am a power user. I am equally comfortable on the command line and in the policy editors. With the latest incarnation of the OS Windows has lost me. I now have a laptop that I'm triple booting Win 7 Ult, Win 8 Pro, and Linux Mint Cinnamon, while my main computer (now degraded to file server) is running a bulletproof install of XP that hasn't been reinstalled since late 2004. It'd be on Win 7 ultimate if nVidia didn't buy out ULi and decide that making Vista+ drivers for their RAID hardware was a fruitless endeavor.
I love the fact that they have optimized the underlayings of the operating system. A more efficient registry with a lot of bloat cut out really increases Windows performance, and you can plainly tell in Windows 8. That along with features in Pro that I bought Win 7 Ult for is a big bonus, especially at the $40 price point.
My biggest gripes are touch input. It's a gimmick. I've spent the last 17 years yelling at my parents, coworkers, nieces, nephews, and any other asshole who dared touch my screen and leave their nasty greasy fingerprints on my display device. I don't want to touch my screen. Ever. It's a desktop computer, not a tablet, and requiring me to mimic campy finger gestures with my mouse is annoying. The neon pastel color scheme looks like it came out of My Little Ponie's My First Computer, and not an adult's operating system, and even customizing the colors leaves you with nasty shades. Then there's Windows Explorer. Imagine my frustration when I hit Alt+V and a ****ING RIBBON pops up with my options. I hated Ribbons in Office 2007, hoped they'd be gone in 2010, but at least they made major improvements. Now the same menu that used to be maybe 100 pixels by 100 pixels is expanded to fill up a 600 x 100 pixel space, with no additional functionality.
I feel like Microsoft is telling me that "[I'm] holding it wrong." I always bought Microsoft because of the level of customization I was afforded. Looks like it's finally time to learn Linux.

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>the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time
Not really. I'm looking some sales info that's starting to roll in for Black Friday, and Win8 and associated hardware sales look like a major bust, worse than Vista. This of course goes double for WinRT and Surface RT. You can get some of the same indications by Googling (not Binging, heh) on "windows 8" sales black friday.
Some think that no matter how bad the adoption, Win8 will still succeed by virtue of being on every new PC. Again, not really. People are delaying their PC buys (and buying tablets instead), and Win7 is still an option.
All this isn't news to early adopters. Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic. The overpricing on Win8 laptops/hybrids only made it worse. Interest in Win8 desktops and tablets is minimal.
My best guess is that as a short-term fix, MS will release a SP to allow boot-to-desktop and putting back the Start button, effectively cleaving Metro out for the desktop crowd. This will need to happen soon, some time in spring, if there's to be any chance of salvaging Win8. IMO, Win8's rep is already irreparably damaged, and it'll be up to Blue to leave the stigma behind with a fall 2013 release.
For those still on the fence, my advice is don't bother with Win8. There'll be a "fixed" version coming, whether a SP or a Win9 coming down the pike, and whatever investment you make to transition to Win8 will be wasted, as you'll have to do it again. I say this as a Win8 user.
Now you know the real reason why Sinofsky is gone. If Win8 was a success like Win7, he'd still be around. But it doesn't take a whole quarter of sales to see whether Win8 flies or dies, and by this time MS should have ample data for sales projection.
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First, Black Friday is now and has always been a day to offload all the old, **** stock. It is not now, nor has it ever been, about selling the new, current stock.
Microsoft has no interest in going backwards. There is a new SDK that is coming out that will merge Windows and Windows Phone development. In the future you will target screen size and resources, just like in the past. There will not be a desktop/mobile choice like there is now.
When Microsoft releases an update for Windows 8, it will no doubt be to remove MORE of the desktop features and move them to Metro. I already think there are way to many trips to the desktop for RT users to do things like configure keyboard, mouse, network, file management, etc.
No one thinks their computer is easier to use than their phone.

>Hate is a pretty strong word. I don't hate Windows 8.
As said, Win8 is no longer a new thing, having been in available to techies for over a year. We all have our opinions on it by now, and there's no need to justify it to anyone.
>With the latest incarnation of the OS Windows has lost me...I feel like Microsoft is telling me that "[I'm] holding it wrong."
Yes, legacy support was always the Windows mantra, going all the way back to Windows 3.0. It was the major reason that Win95 prevailed over OS/2 (anyone here old enough to remember that far back?) The Windows userbase got thrown under the bus in the rush to adopt mobile. Since Sinofsky was the man in charge, and as imperious as he was, I have little doubt of the culprit. That he's summarily tossed out face-first is a good sign that dumping the desktop may not have been a wise move, thus my expectation for rapproachment with the desktop crowd.
MS has trumpeted the "40 million licenses sold" pretty loudly, and is good fodder for fanboys to rally behind. But those who know the difference between sell-in vs sell-through take the PR spiel with a yawn. Yes, MS claimed the same for "strong" Vista sales vs XP five years ago.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Says-Vista-Sales-Strong/
>Microsoft has no interest in going backwards.
You can only forward if the userbase follows. There is no "going forward" if Win8 flops. Win7 still works just fine, just as XP still works just fine for a large segment of the userbase. Unlike years past where Win is the dominant monopoly, there are now viable choices. The many iPads users have lock-ins to Apple's ecosystem, and buying a Mac is becoming an appealing choice, even moreso if "new" Windows forces a substantial learning curve. Again, I say this as a current Win8 user.
>When Microsoft releases an update for Windows 8, it will no doubt be to remove MORE of the desktop features and move them to Metro.
The fundamental problem with the "Metro uber alles" view is that it can't replace the desktop WIMP metaphor with multiple overlapping windows. Try doing Photoshop, or any heavy-duty productivity applications with a single window (or the 1/4 split window). You can't. To say the desktop will disappear is just plain idiotic.
>No one thinks their computer is easier to use than their phone.
Spoken like a true consumer who only knows how to consume content rather than produce it. If yours were true, then you shouldn't be using Windows, because iOS and Android already have the phone market cornered.
Anyway, we'll know soon enough how Win8 sales go, once the new year rolls around. That's only a month away. Wait and see, yes?

@TheScaryOne: If you think 2000 was crap compared to 98, then you are part of the problem with why a Windows "Power User" is considered a complete joke on whoever would call themselves that. The entire Win9x family, from first release of 95 through to ME, was a complete technological backwater compared to the NT family (which includes 2000). Yes, it used a bunch of hand-tuned assembly code to let it boot up and run quickly on low-RAM systems, but in turn you sacrificed
* stability (soooo many crashes, and it was terrible at recovering from them)
* reliability (no filesystem journaling so data loss or corruption on a crash was common, etc.)
* security (it had *no* support for a permissions system so you couldn't run with anything other than "admin" permissions, and was full of exploitable bugs)
* portability (single-CPU x86 systems only, and low caps on amount of usable RAM and HDD space)
* features (the NT line was, especially back then, the only true "power user" environment).
OK, with that out of the way...
Why are you spending any time in the "metro" environment if you don't like it? Ever since Vista, if you actually use the Start menu with a mouse, you're doing it wrong. Windows key + <first few letters of program name> + Enter. You can be launching a program before Start finishes its load animation.
The ribbon takes up less space than a menu bar + toolbar, or than the Win7 "command bar" used in Explorer, unless you for some reason leave it open all the time. As a "power user" shouldn't you be using keyboard shortcuts and context menus instead of moving your mouse up to the top of the window anyhow? The ribbon is for people who aren't familiar with what a program can do, but want to find things. The keyboard (and to a lesser extend context menus) are for people who already know how to use the system. The old menus are for people who only ever learned a bunch of operations by rote... it may have taken me a whole week to get used to them, back when they first appeared in a pre-release version of what wasn't even yet called Office 2007.
... I could go on, but I'm not sure there's a point. If you want to live in the past and ignore the last half decade of usability improvements to Windows (which I'll admit Metro doesn't count as if you're using a mouse and keyboard, but it's only a very slight downgrade and since you didn't even mention that particular flaw I doubt you're even aware of it; if you use touch it's a *huge* upgrade though), nobody here can stop you. We might laugh and shake our heads, though.