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Is it still worthit?

Many tablets are coming out in a couple of months equiped with tegra 3 one of which is the toshiba 7.7 with tegra 3 and super amoled screen similar to the tab. Tegra3 is always faster in running games and also has a very good battery life due to its helper core (5th core) plus most demanding and graphic intensive games are mostly designed to run on tegra. Should i wait for this or just shell out some cash and get the tab 7.7
Also i have red that one app that i always use is the splashtop which they just released a new version specifically designed for tegra3 processor so you can play graphic intensive games from pc and stream it to your tablet.
Quadcore cpu is the new technology and dual core is showing up its age , what do you guys think?

As many people say, if you always wait for the latest and greatest you will always be waiting. I got the 7.7 cause it was the newest model and I just wanted it, did i need it ? no but I just wanted it and the big seller is that I could finally use it as both a phone and tab, something that the original tmobile tab did not fully do. I am not familiar with tegra 3 but I do keep hearing about it. It is basically up to you and what your needs are.
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Any device you buy at any time is going to be out-dated within a few days/weeks. Just the way technology is. Gotta decide what your use case is and determine if a device meets your use case, and if so go for it.

Well with chainfire 3d all the new tegra 3 games works just fine.
I had TF prime for a week. It was with HC but I would say it doesnt look like fast tablet. I can't even watch YouTube 1080p in blowser. Laggyy.
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fobas001 said:
Well with chainfire 3d all the new tegra 3 games works just fine.
I had TF prime for a week. It was with HC but I would say it doesnt look like fast tablet. I can't even watch YouTube 1080p in blowser. Laggyy.
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So you mean if if i rooted my tab and install this plugin i can run all tegra/tegra3 games ? Thats awesome!

mywingtophone said:
So you mean if if i rooted my tab and install this plugin i can run all tegra/tegra3 games ? Thats awesome!
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Pretty much, yeah.

chainfire for HC?
I think chainfire is.not stable for HC yet? Any1 is using it?

The Galaxy Tab 7.7 is going to be leaps and bound better in the physical tablet war.. There's nothing coming out matching it's size/weight and feature set.
It's the thinnest and lightest 7-8" tablet in existence, has an amazing screen, a resolution only found in 10" Android tablets, list goes on.. Not the mention the 12+ hour battery life, besting the iPad2.
However, the CPU might be decently powerful at this time, but it will soon be easily overpowered by Qualcomm S4 tablets, Exynos2, OMAP5, (anything next gen, Tegra3 excluded). Tegra3 isn't that great, being based on Cortex A9 still.

allways a choice
This is the choice you allway have to make when it comes to electronic I personally buy something new and then enjoy it for a while until i just cant wait buying the next thing. Like its sayd many times before if you wait for the next "new" think, you can wait forewer
I really love my SGT-7.7 allthough i'm looking much forward to, it gets ICS

K999rrl said:
I think chainfire is.not stable for HC yet? Any1 is using it?
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Its in russian, but you can see how it runs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Ns8NQ-_Lc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I have the Verizon 4G LTE and I have to say, with regard to portability, feature set and shear amazement at the size and screen this tablet is the all in one device I have been looking for especially in the portability arena.

The 7.7 is an exceptional Tab. It is actually the BEST tab on the market with all features, best form factor, best screen and overall best performance.
Quad Core CPUs are USELESS for Android at this time. Let me repeat that, USELESS! And the Tegra 3 is particularly a joke. The OS and NO APPS can take advantage of it. Good Dual Core is the way to go.
There is plenty of power in the 7.7 as it is and you can overclock it to closer to 2GHz making it a treat! For long time, it will be enough! I still have the original Tab 7 running an overclocked 1.4GHz CPU (from its 1GHz stock speed) and still works amazingly well. The 7.7 compared to it is a rocket.
Sure the Qualcomm S4 and OMAP5 sound sweet though surely Samsung will prefer using it its own Exynos2 in the near future that is "faster" than the current processor on the 7.7 but not so much faster.. definitely will be more energy efficient I think.
So, the 7.7 has plenty or life in it for a long way to come.
If I have any gripes on the 7.7 are the pathetic choices of Samsung sticking with the near 3 year old 3MP camera modules that are on every Tab no matter the new models (its absurd they never got upgraded) and the fact speakers need a bit punchier sound to them..
Other than that the 7.7 is a great Tab, as thin as it can be, feature full and with a screen to die for.
Buy it and love it.

I took the plundge and bought the international tab considering that im on ATT network. I bought all the accesories i can think of from the
international tab 7.7
dock with keyboard
hdmi connector
extra usb cable and charger
original samsung book case keyboard
leather case
samsung pen
32gb micro sdcard
now i'm ready for battle!
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K999rrl said:
I think chainfire is.not stable for HC yet? Any1 is using it?
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I'm using it. Not all THD games work though. Galaxy on Fire 2 works perfectly though!

mywingtophone said:
I took the plundge and bought the international tab considering that im on ATT network. I bought all the accesories i can think of from the
international tab 7.7
dock with keyboard
hdmi connector
extra usb cable and charger
original samsung book case keyboard
leather case
samsung pen
32gb micro sdcard
now i'm ready for battle!
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Congrats!! Well done and enjoy

Spec wars are useless in this era of android...functionality is key. My samsung vibrant can do anything this tablet can...just a bit slower...a new tablet won't be able to do anything that this can't ...but other tablets like the padfone or transformer prime can turn into laptops if that's what you want...
For me...the screen is amazing and its portable to the point that I don't feel like an idiot leaving the house with it...so this is perfect for me

mywingtophone said:
I took the plundge and bought the international tab considering that im on ATT network. I bought all the accesories i can think of from the
international tab 7.7
dock with keyboard
hdmi connector
extra usb cable and charger
original samsung book case keyboard
leather case
samsung pen
32gb micro sdcard
now i'm ready for battle!
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Wow you bought the whole shebang, nice!
I think this is the best tablet out yet, (until tomorrow that is ). The hype now of comparing CPU cores is exactly the same as the frequency wars on desktop CPU's a few years ago, and also very much like the sensor pixel count on digital cameras. Up to a point it becomes meaningless and pointless. Its all marketing to hype up a product.
For mobile devices the performance of a device is not solely governed by the CPU. Its the sum of its parts. Its why an iPhone4 (single core) is as responsive and as fast in practical use as a GalaxyS2 (dual core). The Tegra2 was a joke, and it looks like the Tegra3 isn't the messiah its been hyped to be either.
Welcome to the 7.7 club and I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy using the device.

mywingtophone said:
Many tablets are coming out in a couple of months equiped with tegra 3 one of which is the toshiba 7.7 with tegra 3 and super amoled screen similar to the tab. Tegra3 is always faster in running games and also has a very good battery life due to its helper core (5th core) plus most demanding and graphic intensive games are mostly designed to run on tegra. Should i wait for this or just shell out some cash and get the tab 7.7
Also i have red that one app that i always use is the splashtop which they just released a new version specifically designed for tegra3 processor so you can play graphic intensive games from pc and stream it to your tablet.
Quadcore cpu is the new technology and dual core is showing up its age , what do you guys think?
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A search is always worth it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1503574

I would say it is defiantly still worth it. The portability of the device as many others have said is great. I don't really think there will be many apps that will really need or take advantage of a quad core CPU.

worth it? YES!
if you always wait about new technology, i think you'll buy your first tablet on next 10 - 15years from now.
if Toshiba will release their new product 7.7 which is totally copy from Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7, you'll get only shame.
why? for me, follower never better than leader.
who's the Best Leader of 7" in the world? Samsung.
that's why *pple want to make ip*d mini, another brand wants to follow Samsung.
sorry oot
may i know how to setting CF3D at 7.7? i'm afraid about CMW and others. thanks

Is the battery life a reason to wait till 510?

There's a epic deal on 1saleaday and I've been eying the A500 or a while, but I'm still not sure if I should get it because of the battery life (6hours?) and older gpu.
It was that or the getting a A700 or A510 or Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (For the pen input). All about 10-12 hours batt life.
All of them have microsdhc *prob xc too* , but the battery life and form of decent note taking is important to me. Thats why I'm leaning towards the Galaxy, but those will cost twice as much as the a500.
Price wise I can get it, but I'm just not sure if its worth getting the new stuff.
If it doesn't sell out I got about 7 hours to decide.

I won't pretend to know what you want or need in a tablet. I can only say this. If my Iconia A500 broke right now, I would definitely buy one just like it today without pause.
My battery life is fine and with one of the ICS leaks it is lightning fast. I wouldn't even consider a different option right now. I think that a highly functional dock is the only thing that any other Android tablet has over on it right now. Other than that this is a premier device.

Can those fat stylus's be used to take accurate notes?
The ones that work on all tablets, its why I asked because the note 10.1 is supposed to act like a walcom pen

I just tried it with Handwrite Pro. I don't usually use the stylus so maybe I just lack the proper feel for it. But my experience was less than stellar. It was too slow to use for faster note taking. I could get words in accurately, but not whole sentences. If you want I can try a different app.

spaghetti_monster said:
There's a epic deal on 1saleaday and I've been eying the A500 or a while, but I'm still not sure if I should get it because of the battery life (6hours?) and older gpu.
It was that or the getting a A700 or A510 or Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (For the pen input). All about 10-12 hours batt life.
All of them have microsdhc *prob xc too* , but the battery life and form of decent note taking is important to me. Thats why I'm leaning towards the Galaxy, but those will cost twice as much as the a500.
Price wise I can get it, but I'm just not sure if its worth getting the new stuff.
If it doesn't sell out I got about 7 hours to decide.
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at the moment i would wait. there are TONS of tegra 3 tablets coming out. from a new low end transformer with tegra 3, to the A510, to a 10" kindle fire a google nexus tablet and more! this is the year of android tablets

^ If you're gonna wait for Tegra 3, might as well wait for Tegra 4; after all, that's not far away. And if you're gonna wait for Tegra 4, you might as well hold on for Tegra 5, or 6, or 7. After all, they won't be long after their predecessors.
The point being, if you're gonna wait for new tech, you'll always be waiting. Buy the device that suits your needs NOW, or procrastinate forever.

If the deciding factor is battery life, all I can say is my average is about 8 hours. If using Netflix I can watch four 45 min episodes before I get any low battery notices.
I am extremely happy with my a500, does everything I need.
Just my 2cents, hope this helps
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FloatingFatMan said:
^ If you're gonna wait for Tegra 3, might as well wait for Tegra 4; after all, that's not far away. And if you're gonna wait for Tegra 4, you might as well hold on for Tegra 5, or 6, or 7. After all, they won't be long after their predecessors.
The point being, if you're gonna wait for new tech, you'll always be waiting. Buy the device that suits your needs NOW, or procrastinate forever.
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Tegra 3 = now and in near future (depending on brand loyalty)....It actually makes sense to wait for Tegra 3.
Useless post is useless.

Yeah I would go tegra 3 nothing wrong with our tab but since you haven't committed yet go with the newest tech
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FloatingFatMan said:
^ If you're gonna wait for Tegra 3, might as well wait for Tegra 4; after all, that's not far away. And if you're gonna wait for Tegra 4, you might as well hold on for Tegra 5, or 6, or 7. After all, they won't be long after their predecessors.
The point being, if you're gonna wait for new tech, you'll always be waiting. Buy the device that suits your needs NOW, or procrastinate forever.
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i'm looking at the price points. the price will go down on the tegra 3. So if its not an immediate need then waiting is always the option. I agree that tegra 4 will come out eventually but you have to give yourself a time frame in which to buy things. I want a tegra 3 @ $350 - $399 sometime this year. current market conditions does not allow tablets to be at this price range yet. But If i wait 6 - 8 more months i can easily get the price to be in my comfort zone. New tegra 4 will be expensive when it comes out but i don't need the cutting edge processors/tablets. just something that is smooth and works and not apple.

jblah said:
i'm looking at the price points. the price will go down on the tegra 3. So if its not an immediate need then waiting is always the option. I agree that tegra 4 will come out eventually but you have to give yourself a time frame in which to buy things. I want a tegra 3 @ $350 - $399 sometime this year. current market conditions does not allow tablets to be at this price range yet. But If i wait 6 - 8 more months i can easily get the price to be in my comfort zone. New tegra 4 will be expensive when it comes out but i don't need the cutting edge processors/tablets. just something that is smooth and works and not apple.
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The T-Prime is only $100.00 over what you stated as your limit. IMHO it's worth every dime at $499.00 right now, although I'm certain that price will drop once again within the next three months.
I wouldn't go back to an A500 after being on a Teg3 tablet. While you can't miss what you never had, once you do, it's tough, if not impossible even considering taking a step backwards, and I very much enjoy my Prime! I sold my A500 for $300.00 on CL, put $208.00 more into it for a Prime...once again IMHO.....worth every dime!

wolverine423 said:
Tegra 3 = now and in near future (depending on brand loyalty)....It actually makes sense to wait for Tegra 3.
Useless post is useless.
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Congratulations. You completely missed the point.
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jblah said:
i'm looking at the price points. the price will go down on the tegra 3. So if its not an immediate need then waiting is always the option. I agree that tegra 4 will come out eventually but you have to give yourself a time frame in which to buy things. I want a tegra 3 @ $350 - $399 sometime this year. current market conditions does not allow tablets to be at this price range yet. But If i wait 6 - 8 more months i can easily get the price to be in my comfort zone. New tegra 4 will be expensive when it comes out but i don't need the cutting edge processors/tablets. just something that is smooth and works and not apple.
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I do believe acers tegra 3 seven device will debut at 250 dollars, well if price is the is main thing this tablet will be getting cheaper and is definitely getting ICS so it will be a nice smooth experience
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I would stay away from a500 if your a regular on XDA. Mostly because outside of the devs we have now there are few users here that feel the need to troll other users in our small community
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From GTab 10.1 to Nexus 10

Well, I decided to take the plunge. I have upgraded and moved on to the Nexus 10. This tablet has been good to me for the last 18 months, but I don't want to rely on rooting to have the latest software and sometimes there's just a little bit of lag that's upsetting. And I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz.
Tablets aren't as important to me as the smartphone that I am carrying, but I think this upgrade will last me a long long time. So it was worth it.
I haven't heard or read about many people here talking about the Nexus 10 yet*. Should I assume that everyone is just content with the Galaxy Tab 10.1? How much longer do you guys see yourself with it?
* Edit: let me clarify since this was not understood. Many forums talk about the "next" device to move on to. For example, the Galaxy Nexus forum had lots of talk going on about "should I upgrade to the Nexus 4?" There really was no 10" Nexus tablet, and it seems our device (10.1) is the logical precursor (Grandparent?) to the Nexus 10, which seems to be a GTab 2 10.1 on steroids.
Edit #2: See my post on page two with a full comparison now that I have both devices.

Eddog4DROID said:
Well, I decided to take the plunge. I have upgraded and moved on to the Nexus 10. This tablet has been good to me for the last 18 months, but I don't want to rely on rooting to have the latest software and sometimes there's just a little bit of lag that's upsetting. And I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz.
Tablets aren't as important to me as the smartphone that I am carrying, but I think this upgrade will last me a long long time. So it was worth it.
I haven't heard or read about many people here talking about the Nexus 10 yet. Should I assume that everyone is just content with the Galaxy Tab? How much longer do you guys see yourself with it?
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Why do not you go to Nexus 10 forum? Here is galaxy tab forum, of cause people are talking about galaxy tab only.
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anguslaw said:
Why do not you go to Nexus 10 forum? Here is galaxy tab forum, of cause people are talking about galaxy tab only.
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It was a little bit of "I got my brand new toy", please understand him...
But the OP was right... there are not so many Nexus 10 users here.... in the Galaxy Tab forum.
Sorry, for being off topic... but I don't see the topic.

How do you guys not understand the original post. I am specifically asking Galaxy Tab users, not users of any other device, if they plan on upgrading.
The Galaxy Tab has now been around for a long time. It seems this might be the next logical step for some of you. Or does the Galaxy Tab do everything you need still?
I really only got the Nexus 10 after the Nexus 4 was sold out and I wanted to walk away with something. But I'm still happy about the upgrade. Though I could have used the tab quite a bit longer.
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Eddog4DROID said:
How do you guys not understand the original post. I am specifically asking Galaxy Tab users, not users of any other device, if they plan on upgrading.
The Galaxy Tab has now been around for a long time. It seems this might be the next logical step for some of you. Or does the Galaxy Tab do everything you need still?
I really only got the Nexus 10 after the Nexus 4 was sold out and I wanted to walk away with something. But I'm still happy about the upgrade. Though I could have used the tab quite a bit longer.
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Just ignore it.. I understood your post just fine.
To answer your post. I moved on to the N7.. I purchased my 16GB version then two weeks later the 32GB was released and I exchanged it out. I haven't looked back since.. My Galaxy Tab sits on my TV stand and has been there for weeks now with an uptime of 445 hrs (just checked) and a screen on time of 5 minutes.. It's literally a paperweight. I tried to use the tab as just an e-reader but.. Seriously.. The Tab 10.1 sucks.. Once you use a real tablet on real hardware that isn't crippled and under-performing the flaws, lag, stuttering and slowness we already knew about the Galaxy Tab 10.1 are just heightened to the point you want to smash it.
So yes.. I moved on. I would buy the Nexus 10 if I had a need for a 10 inch but after using the N7.. I no longer want a 10 inch tablet.. For me the 7inch form factor is perfect.
BTW Congrats on your purchase and welcome to the Nexus family! Home of prompt updates straight from Google and pure AOSP support right out of the gate.. You'll never buy a non-Nexus device again

Eddog4DROID said:
Well, I decided to take the plunge. I have upgraded and moved on to the Nexus 10. This tablet has been good to me for the last 18 months, but I don't want to rely on rooting to have the latest software and sometimes there's just a little bit of lag that's upsetting. And I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz.
Tablets aren't as important to me as the smartphone that I am carrying, but I think this upgrade will last me a long long time. So it was worth it.
I haven't heard or read about many people here talking about the Nexus 10 yet. Should I assume that everyone is just content with the Galaxy Tab? How much longer do you guys see yourself with it?
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I'm not yet satisfied with the Nexus 10, perhaps I'll go for google's next 10inch tablet, though I might get a N7 before then, but I think I'd miss the larger sceen (a more likely scenario is that somebody else in the household would be the primary user)
P.S. Actually, maybe I would get it if I wasn't getting the N⁴, but two new devices is probably)too much for me atm, and (for me) the N10 definitely doesn't justify it.

Well I thank the last two users for "getting" it. That's all I was asking for, the perspective of 10.1 users.
To me the N10 advantages over the 10.1 are:
AOSP - No Touchwiz! (or Rooting needed)
Prompt Updates
Resolution makes reading a joy
Lag free on the A15 Cortex.
Doesn't look like an iPad
Lightweight but apparently a very sturdy, industrial design
If I DID choose to root and ROM, a bigger community because it's a Nexus(?)
Standard MicroUSB Charging connection
These things are a wash:
Cameras? Meh. Never use them anyway.
Battery life? I've never had any opinion of the 10.1's battery life. It's not a smartphone that I am constantly using so it last me several days in-between charges. I'm sure the N10 will be the same.
Design and looks: The 10.1 probably does look better? Though, more Appleish. So it's about even.
I honestly wanted to find more reasons why keeping the 10.1 makes sense. And as far as a point-by-point argument, the Nexus 10 wins hands down. But that doesn't really matter because it depends on how you are using a tablet. To me, a tablet is always secondary to my smartphone. I use it far less. The Browser, Email, Google Reader, scan the news apps. That's mostly it. I don't play games. I don't video chat. So really, even though I think the Nexus 10 is far superior, the 10.1 did most of what I wanted just fine. So I can't blame anyone for keeping the 10.1 (unless you're still using it on Stock TouchWiz 4.0, where it is soo laggy, etc? My Jelly Bean ROM has been fantastic!). If you don't like to root to "fix" things, but you are a heavy tablet user, than I'm thinking you probably are looking to upgrade--which goes back to the original question: Is the Nexus 10 good enough? I guess I'll see in a couple days... I'll probably post back some comparisons later.

Eddog4DROID said:
To me, a tablet is always secondary to my smartphone. I use it far less. The Browser, Email, Google Reader, scan the news apps. That's mostly it. I don't play games. I don't video chat. So really, even though I think the Nexus 10 is far superior, the 10.1 did most of what I wanted just fine. So I can't blame anyone for keeping the 10.1 (unless you're still using it on Stock TouchWiz 4.0, where it is soo laggy, etc? My Jelly Bean ROM has been fantastic!). If you don't like to root to "fix" things, but you are a heavy tablet user, than I'm thinking you probably are looking to upgrade--which goes back to the original question: Is the Nexus 10 good enough? I guess I'll see in a couple days... I'll probably post back some comparisons later.
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This.. This is why I am no longer interested in a 10inch.
Before I had my N7 as you said my phone would be my go to device and my Tab was second fiddle.. It was big, not very portable and kind of awkward to use in most circumstances unless you were just flipping through a book or something. Now.. Ever since I got my Nexus 7.. My phone is second fiddle.. The N7 form factor is like a phone on steroids.. Larger enough to make reading, gaming, app use and browsing much easier but small enough where it doesn't feel like you're Fred Flintstone holding a slab in your hands either.
This is ultimately the reason my Galaxy Tab has fall to the way side entirely and also my phone.. The 7 inch form factor is the perfect combination between phone and tablet..
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I never needed a tablet but I liked my TAB (especially since ICS). But the Nexus 7 really hit the spot: now I feel I DO need to have a tablet around. For me (old eyes and all), the 10 inch screen is a bit better for classic WEB browsing (and a lot better as a remote to my PCs), but the format and weight of the N7 makes it the "go to" device for anything but "work stuff".
I thought a lot about the N10 these past couple of weeks, but in the end I passed (and I still have the TAB: not worth the hassle of selling at this point; I'll use it intermittently until I find a potential Android recruit to recycle it to). I think I may wait for the Nexus 8 (lighter, much thinner bezel, high ppi... and able to replace any and all of my remotes).
P.-S. --- The N7 fits in the pockets of my hoodies: no X10 would!

I have a wifi tab 10.1, a 4G tab 7.7, and a GS3.
I use the 7.7 and GS3 far more than I use the 10.1. Probably use the 7.7 the most. It's portability and the 4G give it an advantage over the 10.1 while the larger screen gives it an advantage over the GS3. I'd love to get a N10, but it's more because I love gadgets than any real need for it. I'd love the S Pen functionality of the Note 10.1, but wish it was quad core... And obviously the N10 doesn't have this. So the primary draw of the N10 is the display and the prompt updates since it's a reference device.
If I had the money, I'd probably get a N10...though Engadget wasn't terribly impressed by it. I may try to get my hands on a Note 10.1 cuz the S Pen functionality would make it a good tool for work.
Never been impressed by the N7. The screen feels narrow and its fat/heavy. I'll happily exchange the quad-core processor for the thin, light design and AMOLED screen of the tab 7.7.

LurkSkywalker said:
I never needed a tablet but I liked my TAB (especially since ICS). But the Nexus 7 really hit the spot: now I feel I DO need to have a tablet around. For me (old eyes and all), the 10 inch screen is a bit better for classic WEB browsing (and a lot better as a remote to my PCs), but the format and weight of the N7 makes it the "go to" device for anything but "work stuff".
I thought a lot about the N10 these past couple of weeks, but in the end I passed (and I still have the TAB: not worth the hassle of selling at this point; I'll use it intermittently until I find a potential Android recruit to recycle it to). I think I may wait for the Nexus 8 (lighter, much thinner bezel, high ppi... and able to replace any and all of my remotes).
P.-S. --- The N7 fits in the pockets of my hoodies: no X10 would!
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What exactly do you mean by "pocket" here? The two hand thing? If so, how tall are you/what size do you where? I'm not a big person and I've gotten my gt10.1 in there :S

I have been looking at many of the next tablets being offered by most of the companies. The Nexus 10 is tempting, but I DO use the camera for some things, and the 10 inch screen is important to the main function for which I bought a tablet. I tried the 7 inch units and they're just too small for my needs. I use my tablet for a moving-map display and electronic flight-bag while I'm flying. I actually use an app that does a split-screen and shows me charts and flight data at the same time. The 7-inch was just too small for that. I had a Transformer Prime for a while and really liked the display and operational speed, but the lack of a functional wifi and GPS took that out of the picture in a hurry. For the moment, the Tab 10.1 still does the job. But I am looking.

I have used my Nexus 10 all weekend and can now compare it with the G Tab 101.1
GTab 10.1 vs N10
Screen:
N10 pixels/resolution obviously blows the GTab 10.1 away; but it seems like the N10 screen is more washed out compared to the deep colors of the GTab.
Speakers:
Maybe it's my hearing, but the GTab seems to have louder sound
Performance:
Oh my, not even close. The Exynos 5 in the N10 poops on the Tegra 2. FINALLY Android does not have any lag. Whereas the GTab hails from Lag City. (Rooting and Roming obviously helps).
Cameras:
Even? I took pic's, I skyped, saw no difference.
Build quality:
The N10 does not feel like a Samsung device. The GTab feels like a Toy in comparison. Though it feels much lighter (even though the specs say they are closer) so some may prefer that.
Software:
The GTab requires you to root it for decent performance. Or you can have full functionality to go along with lagginess and TouchWiz. The N10 is a Nexus. A full working 4.2. Yes it's new so there are bugs, but thankfully Samsung does not handle updates.
Battery:
More or less even. MAYBE the GTab 10.1 has a slight, slight edge? not sure yet.
Extras:
N10 has an HDMI port I probably will never use. Though it does have a notification light which is really helpful. Neither have SD's. I am fan of the wide bezels on the N10 because my thumb does not cover the screen.
Conclusion:
I feel like the N10 is so much better, but really, the GTab 10.1 did most of what I needed and did it "ok" to "well". The N10 just does it a little quicker. And it's nice to know I don't have to root it to be satisfied. So on those levels it is worth it. Otherwise, if you can not afford it, there is no reason why you need to be an early adopter. I think many GTab 10.1 users may end up getting the Nexus 7 instead as that is become standard for many hard core Android users. If you watch tons of videos, then the N10 is highly recommended. If you can not tolerate TouchWiz and rather not mod the device, also get the N10. For everyone else? No rush.

The N10 is 1.5 years newer.. It should smoke the 10.1

I'm dying to replace the tab with a new device, before the N10 I was considering the Asus TF700 but I'll only jump ship when one of them deliver a 3G option, I seriously don't get why the don't release mobile data versions in tandem of Wi-Fi only option.
But I suspect and hope Google bring it out soon, I don't think Asus will do now, not now the infinity has been out for so long.
Swyped, from my finger to your face, on my Samsung Galaxy Note II

I will try to present a slightly different view. Before I was forced to get my Samsung 10.1, I had a 10.1v which I truly think is a much better device than the plain 10.1. Eventually I will cannibalize my 10.1 to get my 10.1v working again.
My new tablet has to have the following features: 10" screen, 3G, quad-core and preferably a pen too. Such a device is still some ways from hitting the market and until such a time, I guess I'm content with my 10.1.
I have a 4.7" phone so there is little point for me getting a less than 10" tablet. Call it due to my older eyes but for me 10" is a very comfortable size, I don't even miss my notebook as I also have a Logitech BT keyboard. I have no problems carrying the tablet. I can understand that it comes down to a personal choice where screen size is concerned, for me the big screen just makes it easier to work with the device.
I did root my tab as it makes me uncomfortable that I can't even make a decent backup without a root. If I can put JB on my 10.1, it would definitely delay a new device

I really want to get the Nexus 10, but I currently only use my Galaxy Tab 10.1 for infrequent browsing and even less frequent Angry Birds Star Wars. I may get the Note 10.1 for my wife because she really wants the stylus---oops, I mean the S-Pen.
If Google adds a native Android feature allowing two apps to run side-by-side (like the Note, but implemented better), I'd buy the Nexus 10 tomorrow.
For now, I'll keep puttng up with the mild lag of the GTab 10.1.

I am buying a Nexus10 32Gb (it should arrive Monday) but I also have been very happy with my 10.1 GT-7510 (aka p4wifi). I have been running the following JellyBean 4.1.2 ROM for almost 2 weeks now without any problems.
Make a nandroid, then install:
AAcount's TWRP 2.3.2.3: recovery http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833136
Make another backup with TWRP if you were coming from ClockworkMod (paranoid)
Clean Wipe
triptosyll's unofficial AOKP November 12th Build: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1953915
Formula84's JZ054K Gapps: http://goo.im/devs/Formula84/gapps-jb-20121012-4.1.2-JZO54K
Reboot, set everything up (I use Titanium Backup Pro)
then install AAccount's A1 kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833136
Go into AOKP performance tab and select 1.6Ghz OC or 1.5Ghz if you're conservative.
Win!!
Install "voodoo sound" sound control panel for amazing audio quality
Install Dice or MX Player with the appropriate Tegra 2 codecs and you'll be able to play virtually any 720p video without lag.
Install Dolphin Browser with Flash and Jetpack for Desktop Browser experience and install Chrome for mobile browser experience.
Everything works great. Google Now works, front and rear cameras work as well. It will take an hour the first time through, but I think you will be super happy with your Tab. This could extend the viable life of the 10.1 for another 6-12 months until the next big thing comes along.
(Of course all of this is at your own risk. It works great for me, but might not work so well for anyone else.)
On the Nexus10 front, I can't believe that anyone would buy a 16Gb tablet! If I have a couple nandroids and a few movies or TV show seasons, I'm well above 16Gb. Right now I have <5Gb free on my GTab10.1 and I only have a few games, 1 season of Breaking Bad and about 3 or 4 hours of music on it. This IMO is "minimum" local storage for a week away from home on a business trip. 5+ hour flights are a drag without copious local data.

I'd love to buy a nexus 10, sadly it's not available in Italy, maybe it never will be
that means my money is going to Asus this time, 299$ for 32Gb plus 3g is the best deal out there in my opinion; that said I'll keep my gtab 10,1 to watch movies in case I'm not satisfied with the 7 inch display.

OK, first impressions on the Nexus10 from someone who's been an Android user since the OG Droid and has had a Galaxy Tab 10.1 Wifi for 16 months.
It is a little bit wider and almost exactly the same height and thickness of the p4wifi
The Nexus10 is heavier, 604g vs 558g on my kitchen scale. Its width makes it seems a bit heavier since it puts more torque on your hand if holding it one handed.
The buttons are in the same orientation as the p4wifi
The buttons on the Nexus10 are slightly further to the left than on the p4. This leads me to accidentally hit the power button more since I'm used to being able to grab the tab by that corner safely
The buttons are lower-profile and seem a bit chintzy compared to the p4
The Nexus10 screen is warmer and a bit "dimmer" than the p4. I think the p4 actually has slightly better contrast. This is a subjective judgement. I'm using automatic brightness on both. Although the stock auto-brightness stinks. I need to get AOKP installed on the Nexus10 and tweak the brightness.
Nexus10 does indeed poop on the p4 from performance perspective. It is like night and day even running the Stock Nexus 10 versus highly overclocked and tweaked p4.
I haven't auditioned the headphone out yet. Will get some high-bitrate music on here and try it out soon.
It looks better in person than in the pictures. I think in the pictures that the roundedness of the Nexus10 looks unattractive, but in person it is fine.
I am very dissappointed with how few accessories have been announced so far. I suppose this isn't surprising, but I would really like a bluetooth keyboard case for it. The Logitech ZAGG case for my p4wifi, of course, doesn't fit at all.
My very cheap "Acase" flip case ALMOST fits. It is very snug due to the extra width. I think with a little Xacto knife action, I'll have a usable but not ideal case. The speaker holes aren't too far from the charging port.
My wife actually prefers the p4 for reading books as the Nexus10 is "too small". At least on Google Play (I haven't played with Kindle Reader yet) this is not merely a matter of zoom level. For example the free "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" the pictures of the Rabbit are about 2x the size on the p4 as on the Nexus10. I assume this is because the Play Store hasn't been fully adapted for high-dpi devices yet.
The p4 would slowly charge when plugged into USB but the Nexus10 seems to actually lose charge while plugged into USB. Hopefully custom kernels will be available soon with "fast charge" capability.
Well hope that helps somebody make a decision.

Nexus 7 with Kitkat vs Retina Ipad mini

As we now, we are the second device in the list of devices which will get android Kitkat. the exact date confirmed for kitkat release is in about 1 or 2 weeks.
Google bought Flexycore for 23 Million, and they worked hard in kitkat android to optimize all at max.
What is flexycore?
it's a company which focus in soft optimization in android. they (with google) optimized all in kitkat for a great perfomance, graphics & battery use.
so, normally when we get through android versions (ej: From GB to ICS) we get a little bit less perfomance and smoothness, but, not now, if you thought of buying an ipad mini 2 because you are stupid then retreat from that, because a quad-core optimized to run at max will get you into a new level. trust me.
Kitkat does run AMAZING in devices with just 512 MB ram and a 1GHZ processor, imagine kitkat in a new nexus 7, will be as fast as light.
as of ROMS,Developement,Rooting,Apps, i don't know anything about that, i just know that this update is going to be a big hit.
here are some sites i read about it..
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/10/22/google-aims-improve-android-4-4-kitkat-flexycore/
http://androidandme.com/2013/10/news/google-buys-flexycore-creator-of-droidbooster-optimization-app/
i also made this thread to tell the users who want to buy the new ipad mini 2, that, basing in TRUE information, nexus 7 owns it. see:
Screen : 323/324 PPI N7 FHD vs 326 PPI Ipad Mini Retina (not noticeable. so it's not a plus for ipad mini 2)
point for both
Processor : Quad-core 1.5GHZ Qualcomm Snapdragon "S4 PRO" modified to be similar to next gen snapdragon. the Ipad mini has a 64 bit processor so it's supposed to be better, but with less cores.
point for ipad mini 2
Design : Shut up *****, Nexus 7 design it's not bad, it's awesome for me. if you personally like ipad mini 2 design most we don't care.
point for both
Apps & Games: thinking of future, android since this year become the best mobile gaming platform. think of it, all games which were not on android and where HITS on IOS appeared all of them this year at android. also some games which are free in android are paid in IOS.
also, google has much more of apps than apple, as google has GMAPS, GMAIL, Chrome, all Gapps (you know), apple just itunes, safari and another ****ty thing no one likes. but, as that was a personal like/dislike i just count the gaming part.
point for nexus 7 fhd
GPS : oh yeah the ipad mini doesn't have one.
point for nexus 7 fhd
Price : well, $600+ Ipad mini 2 vs $300+ Nexus 7 LTE 32 GB.
point for nexus 7 fhd
Weight compared to size: nexus 7, the ipadmini 2 became heavier from 1 gen to 2 gen.
point for nexus 7 fhd
Portability:
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RAM and Multitasking: Nexus 7 has 2 GB of ram, ipad just 512... also you can download a task killer or set minfree values in android.
point for nexus 7 fhd
and well. lots more of things, you may notice that.
and it's not that IPAD MINI 2 is better, it's not, it's worth double. if the nexus 7 would cost $600 it would have maybe an armv8 processor or a much better screen. it's obvious. the price matter. nexus 7 wins.
if you want to get then a fast phone / tablet get japanese ones, they have the best processor technology / screen technology, but no services like google has.
please sorry me for the bad english..

Nachospeicys said:
Screen : 323/324 PPI N7 FHD vs 326 PPI Ipad Mini Retina (not noticeable. so it's not a plus for ipad mini 2)
point for both
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Screens are pretty much equal, can call this equal.
Processor : Quad-core 1.5GHZ Qualcomm Snapdragon "S4 PRO" modified to be similar to next gen snapdragon. the Ipad mini has a 64 bit processor so it's supposed to be better, but with less cores.
point for ipad mini 2
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To me, it's a bit moot. They aren't for the same platform, so it's not necessarily more cores is better, or more advanced cores. It's all in how the software uses it.
Design : Shut up *****, Nexus 7 design it's not bad, it's awesome for me. if you personally like ipad mini 2 design most we don't care.
point for both
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Clearly, you are not being completely subjective, as expected.
Apps & Games: thinking of future, android since this year become the best mobile gaming platform. think of it, all games which were not on android and where HITS on IOS appeared all of them this year at android. also some games which are free in android are paid in IOS.
also, google has much more of apps than apple, as google has GMAPS, GMAIL, Chrome, all Gapps (you know), apple just itunes, safari and another ****ty thing no one likes. but, as that was a personal like/dislike i just count the gaming part.
point for nexus 7 fhd
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Free in Android but ad-supported. The problem I find with Android is there aren't nearly as many tablet-optimized apps as I expected there would be, this late into the game. Many are still stretched phone apps, sadly.
iOS is way better for kids games, imo, than Android is. The quality of the kids games on iOS is much farther ahead.
GPS : oh yeah the ipad mini doesn't have one.
point for nexus 7 fhd
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Sure does, when you buy the iPad mini with cellular
Price : well, $600+ Ipad mini 2 vs $300+ Nexus 7 LTE 32 GB.
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Definitely, too much of a price difference to compare with here. Nexus wins this.
Weight compared to size: nexus 7, the ipadmini 2 became heavier from 1 gen to 2 gen.
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True but we're talking 32grams weight difference here. That's almost negligible really.
Portability:
point for nexus 7 fhd
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Fair enough, the ipad mini is about 0.7 inches wider than the N7. If that matters that much, but it's not as big a difference between the 2 as your image is trying to show
RAM and Multitasking: Nexus 7 has 2 GB of ram, ipad just 512... also you can download a task killer or set minfree values in android.
point for nexus 7 fhd
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iOS doesn't "truly multitask" but the iPad mini has at least 1GB RAM, and iOS has always been the standard by which OS "responsiveness" and "fluidity" is measured.
and well. lots more of things, you may notice that.
and it's not that IPAD MINI 2 is better, it's not, it's worth double. if the nexus 7 would cost $600 it would have maybe an armv8 processor or a much better screen. it's obvious. the price matter. nexus 7 wins.
if you want to get then a fast phone / tablet get japanese ones, they have the best processor technology / screen technology, but no services like google has.
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It's not necessarily that Nexus 7 is clearly better than iPad mini either. It really depends on what the person wants from the tablet.
Your points are clearly looking for things that you like about the N7, and that's fair and all. But being honest about the differences, and not skewing them to suit your view, is really what "fair" is about.
Different devices, different prices, different target consumers, imo. The price is a big factor in that, as is the ecosystem.
We can just simply enjoy our devices, no need to try to convince ourselves that we made the right choice, whichever that may be. :good:

Kit Kat is the main reason I'm keeping the Nexus 7...

It's not necessarily that Nexus 7 is clearly better than iPad mini either. It really depends on what the person wants from the tablet.
Your points are clearly looking for things that you like about the N7, and that's fair and all. But being honest about the differences, and not skewing them to suit your view, is really what "fair" is about.
Different devices, different prices, different target consumers, imo. The price is a big factor in that, as is the ecosystem.
We can just simply enjoy our devices, no need to try to convince ourselves that we made the right choice, whichever that may be. :good:
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i tried to be the less subjective. but, as you like apple you have to admit that here in this android forum we treat apple better than the apple fanboys which treat google/android like ****.

Nachospeicys said:
As we now, we are the second device in the list of devices which will get android Kitkat. the exact date confirmed for kitkat release is in about 1 or 2 weeks.
Google bought Flexycore for 23 Million, and they worked hard in kitkat android to optimize all at max.
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First, do you have any source for the release of kit kat? There hasn't been anything official about the release of it at all... So that's already reducing your credibility.
Second, is there any proof that the modification from that company will be included with kit kat or released later on down the road? How can you be sure that it's going to be included in this os?
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phishfi said:
First, do you have any source for the release of kit kat? There hasn't been anything official about the release of it at all... So that's already reducing your credibility.
Second, is there any proof that the modification from that company will be included with kit kat or released later on down the road? How can you be sure that it's going to be included in this os?
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He is probably making assumptions about what will be included in KitKat as has half of the world for the past month.
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I tried flexycore's droidbooster app on my n7 and HTC one, both running jb 4.3, and it showed an 5.5-6 times performance gain. I wasn't very anxious for kitkat (hate the candy bar) but since I found that out I am.

godutch said:
I tried flexycore's droidbooster app on my n7 and HTC one, both running jb 4.3, and it showed an 5.5-6 times performance gain. I wasn't very anxious for kitkat (hate the candy bar) but since I found that out I am.
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Link to demo? Like to see it.

mi7chy said:
Link to demo? Like to see it.
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Remember it is just a benchmarking tool and a very ugly one at that but the results are amazing
http://wap.stevebasu.net/android-app-download/en/50435/DroidBooster_1.0-apk.html

Nachospeicys said:
i tried to be subjective. but, as you like apple you have to admit that here in this android forum we treat apple better than the apple fanboys which treat google/android like ****.
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It shouldnt matter what other people say or do. I dont care much if people call me a phandroid or isheep or whatever. I see the value in an apple device for specific purposes, same as i do with android devices. Does it make me blind or less intelligent that i don't only own one of these devices? To each their own.
The world has much bigger problems than apple vs android.

No... Everything is around apple vs android.
It s mega companies not paying any tax in usa.
Everybody is losing. No winners.

I find Nexus 7 preferable because the weight(mini retina have a huge battery and is going to weigh more than old mini as a result), width (Mini is too wide imo),aspect ratio(Ipad's 4:3 stinks for HD video contents), price( Nexus 7 is $180 cheaper) & Android.
But if you are looking for a 4:3 tablet then you have no choice but Ipads.

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I find Nexus 7 preferable because the weight(mini retina have a huge battery and is going to weigh more than old mini as a result), width (Mini is too wide imo),aspect ratio(Ipad's 4:3 stinks for HD video contents), price( Nexus 7 is $180 cheaper) & Android.
But if you are looking for a 4:3 tablet then you have no choice but Ipads.
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ipad is not a bad tablet. but, when compared to the nexus 7 , it's difficult to get an ipad since n7 is like the half of the ipad price.
and, if kitkat get's that "boost" with gpu optimization, apps optimization (in november every android tablet will get this via play store) , RAM optimization,etc.. will be amazing, much more amazing than a $600 ipad mini 2.

Right. The kitkat will be ready for thanks giving or right before.
They need it to boost n7 sells.
Many will decide to buy the n7 if battery match or beat the new iPad mini 2

Nachospeicys said:
i tried to be the less subjective. but, as you like apple you have to admit that here in this android forum we treat apple better than the apple fanboys which treat google/android like ****.
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What the f are you talking about. Apple and Google are just corporations who sell electronics made by borderline slaves in the developing world. Why are you taking sides lol, it makes you look pretty pathetic haha.
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Most are made in China and its far ahead of the world, compared to Canada or the USA or even most Europe. So I don't know if you would call it the developing world when we are falling behind them lol.
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kingsway8605 said:
What the f are you talking about. Apple and Google are just corporations who sell electronics made by borderline slaves in the developing world. Why are you taking sides lol, it makes you look pretty pathetic haha.
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yaya buddy you didn't even understand what did i mean with that. get a brain because i will simply won't explain it to you.

I think Nexus 7 and Ipad mini retina are the same

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Most are made in China and its far ahead of the world, compared to Canada or the USA or even most Europe. So I don't know if you would call it the developing world when we are falling behind them lol.
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Its called the developing world because those people work for a few dollars a day making electronics in terrible conditions.
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dakunclear said:
Most are made in China and its far ahead of the world, compared to Canada or the USA or even most Europe. So I don't know if you would call it the developing world when we are falling behind them lol.
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I'd love to hear how you quantify "ahead." Not that life is a race, but in terms of things like personal freedoms, over population, economy, etc.. I disagree in a very large way. For sure you are right that China cannot fairly be called "developing" or "3rd world," but neither is it hardly a place I can imagine someone from USA, Canada, or Europe willingly immigrating to.

Do you still prefer the 10.1 2014?

This may be a bit too earlier to ask. For those who have both the 10.1 2014 and PRO 12.2, which one do you prefer? In terms of the weight and the ease of typing, which is better? Is the PRO noticeably much heavier? In my city, we don't have the PRO yet. Thanks.
I use SwiftKey on my Note 2. Probably will install it on whichever device I am going to buy.

Didn't have the Note 10.1 2014 but did have the original Note 10.1
I much prefer the NotePro12.2 - the full swype enabled samsung keyboard works really well - weight wise there is obviously a noticeable difference, but I think the dimensions of the NotePro work better for balance - can hold it either in a one hand grip or laying across my forearm without any issues for well over an hour if needed!!!
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I much prefer the note pro than any 10 inch tablet out there as its nearly the same size as an A4 paper and the weight man will never be a problem as its very balanced with its size and the screen is outstanding for multimedia consumption and for work am sure an A4 size of screen real estate is big enough specially for a nice android touch device. there is one of the best reviews on youtube right now on mobiletechreviews channel with a very detailed walkthrough that maybe help you out with your decision :cyclops:

I own both devices but i prefer the 12.2 mainly because of the screen.Android 4.4 is also a bit faster but it's a matter of time i think till the 10.1 will have 4.4.The 12.2 is heavier of course but it's only 750 gr and because of the size you will use it almost all the time with 2 hands.The keyboard is great!!
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I've got the 10.1 and debating if I should return it and get the Note pro 12.2.
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Not at all. It really does come down to screen size. The resolution on the 10.1 is better but obviously the screen on the 12.2 is bigger. For me it's all about portability and the 12.2 is simply out of that range. If you plan on using the tablet at your office or your home office then I can see the point of the 12.2. If you plan on carrying it around the extra 2 inches of real estate just don't justify the hassle of transportation.
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DarkManX4lf said:
I've got the 10.1 and debating if I should return it and get the Note pro 12.2.
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Having used both, I can say the ingoing thoughts of the two being the same devoid the size is far from true. An associate of mine had the same dilemma this weekend and made the switch. We both have arrived to the same conclusion that the Note Pro is a remarkably different experience than the 10.1 variant. The S-Pen seems to be better integrated throughout. Unlike the 10.1 out of the box, have yet to see any lag with the 12.2.
Do the swap and give it a good unbiased look over during your return window period, I think you'll find it's a keeper. One disappoint is the accesories didn't make it the shelves when launched. I ordered a $10 case from Amazon with free 2-day shipping to hold me over.
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The Hancom Office suite is surprisingly the best O suite I've seen on an Android device to date. As one G+ user stated, it's 90% MSFT Office.
Happy to answer any questions you may have.

merics said:
Having used both, I can say the ingoing thoughts of the two being the same devoid the size is far from true. An associate of mine had the same dilemma this weekend and made the switch. We both have arrived to the same conclusion that the Note Pro is a remarkably different experience than the 10.1 variant. The S-Pen seems to better integrated throughout. Unlike the 10.1 out of the box, have yet to see any lag with the 12.2.
Do the swap and give it a good unbiased look over during your return window period, I think you'll find it's a keeper. One disappoint is the accesories didn't make it the shelves when launched. I ordered a $10 case from Amazon with free 2-day shipping to hold me over.
The Hancom Office suite is surprisingly the best O suite I've seen on an Android device to date. As one G+ user stated, it's 90% MSFT Office.
Happy to answer any questions you may have.
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I was thinking the Note pro wouldn't be as good while laying down... But I have a Note 3 for that... I guess I will do the swap.
I couldn't find many cases either. A tpu case would be nice.
Also I hope root for the Note pro is achieved soon.

DarkManX4lf said:
I was thinking the Note pro wouldn't be as good while laying down... But I have a Note 3 for that... I guess I will do the swap.
I couldn't find many cases either. A tpu case would be nice.
Also I hope root for the Note pro is achieved soon.
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The $10 2-day free shipping was the kicker to get that particular case. Remain awfully nervous with it being exposed. Def poses the challenges while laying, have to have head propped pretty high to comfortably use, that's where my gNote 8 comes in.
Another notice: WIth the 10.1, I felt I was constantly tweaking the brightness, just never liked the auto-brightness and the display just always seemed too bright or too dark. Maybe it's the LCD vs Amoled, but the 12.2 auto-brightness is really good and I've yet to need to adjust no matter the lighting.
Put the pic but not case name >> WAWO Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 Case - Slim Folding Cover for SM-P905/P900 12.2 Inches Touch Screen Tablet,(with Smart Cover Auto Wake / Sleep), black.

merics said:
Having used both, I can say the ingoing thoughts of the two being the same devoid the size is far from true.
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M-UX is already shown as a N10.1-14 feature on some of Samsung's e-commerce sites and 4.4/M-UX leaks have been reported. So at some point, most likely soon, at least UI wise the N10.1-14 is going to be brought up to the same feature and performance level as the N12. The h/w powering the N12 and N10.1-14 are identical as is the number of pixels being pushed because of the N12's lower PPI. So whatever performance is being achieved on the N12 will be identical on 4.4/M-UX-equipped N10.1-14's.
What's most likely to be missing from any N10.1-14 update are the Pro s/w features. All but Hancom Office and e-Meeting are available as-is or the same product from the same vendor not white labeled as "Samsung" on Play today.
So, eventually, it's going to come down to two s/w products and size as the differences between the two. That and the N12's lower PPI and addition of USB 3.0 for faster file transfers to Windows PCs.

BarryH_GEG said:
M-UX is already shown as a N10.1-14 feature on some of Samsung's e-commerce sites and 4.4/M-UX leaks have been reported. So at some point, most likely soon, at least UI wise the N10.1-14 is going to be brought up to the same feature and performance level as the N12. The h/w powering the N12 and N10.1-14 are identical as is the number of pixels being pushed because of the N12's lower PPI. So whatever performance is being achieved on the N12 will be identical on 4.4/M-UX-equipped N10.1-14's.
What's most likely to be missing from any N10.1-14 update are the Pro s/w features. All but Hancom Office and e-Meeting are available as-is or the same product from the same vendor not white labeled as "Samsung" on Play today.
So, eventually, it's going to come down to two s/w products and size as the differences between the two. That and the N12's lower PPI and addition of USB 3.0 for faster file transfers to Windows PCs.
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Points well taken n correct. Being I'm using the 12.2 now, this appears an instance where hands on is required to fully appreciate the 180 experience myself and others are seeing. I'm very familiar with the 10.1, bought and returned x3 as recent as two weeks ago. Will also add that I used the Surface 2 for month plus, was impressed. The Hancom office, 12.2 display and S-Pen are few reasons this is better device for productivity and consumption usage, for now.

Purchased the Note Pro 12.2 because I wanted to make a real go at using it for taking notes using S-Pen. I'm tired of having a dozen different note pads laying around my office and not knowing where a particular meeting's notes are.
I figured the larger screen size is the best way to get something as close as possible to a letter sized page. For note taking I'm fairly impressed on how acurately it will record small handwriting. Certainly will never replace paper but gets much closer than I've seen on other devices, certainly enough for my needs anyway.
The same reason I wanted this over the 10.1, screen size, is probably the one thing I dislike about it too. The tab simply is a little too heavy and large for casual browsing and media consumption. Sooner or later I end up propping my hand up on something to support the tablet or if trying to hold one handed while navigating with the other hand I end up switching back and forth for comfort. I'm using this thing without any case at the moment since Best Buy didn't have any cases in stock so once i do have a case I'll have both improved options for holding the tablet and increased weight in hand when there's nothing to set it up on. . .
For typing on the couch, the full size keyboard is a little hard to use with two thumbs when holding the tablet on the bottom corners with both hands in landscape orientation. The screen simply is too wide in landscape to reach the letters in the middle. Going to floating keyboard or split helps but it would be nice if Samsung took a hint from Swiftkey and included the ability to resize the keyboard in those two layouts, I'd like the split keyboard to be a little larger for my large but short thumbs LOL.
All in all I think I'll stick with the 12.2 and supplement it with my Nexus 7 around the house.
Oh and as for Magazine UI . . it was something that intrigued me prior to purchase but I ditched it for Nova within 15 minutes of setup. I simply can't stand wasting the screen real estate that I paid a huge premium for and the stock launcher app drawer has margins and gaps between app icons that are far far too large for my taste. Large margins and the inability to overlap widgets make stock touchwiz launcher a no-go for me.

merics said:
Being I'm using the 12.2 now, this appears an instance where hands on is required to fully appreciate the 180 experience myself and others are seeing.
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Unless that "180 degree" difference is caused by the extra screen real estate or you spend the majority of your time in Hancom Office or in e-Meeting's with other Tab/Note|Pro owners the updated N10.1-14 should provide the same experience. At least on paper. Comparing the 4.4/M-UX-equipped N12 to the N10.1-14 on its 4.3 launch s/w is kind of apples and oranges.
Samsung could care less which of their iPad-priced premium tablets people buy. Because of poor product planning (they should have launched the N10.1-14 as the "Note|Pro 10.1" and then added a "Premium Suite" once they finalized and announced the feature set of the "Pros") the N10.1-14 is their 10" S Pen-equipped tablet for the foreseeable future albeit with an "out of family" name. So other than the missing "Pro" features, some of which are of more marketing than practical value, it still comes down to size.

Isn't Hancom Office available for free download from Playstore? Can it play animations embedded in PowerPoint files?
I have heard conflicting comments in regard to the lower PPI on the 12.2 than that of the 10.1 2014. Do the letters and images look worse than those on the 10.1 2014?
I plan to use the device on public transportation (bus, subway) most of the time. Of course, if I cannot find a seat, I have to hold the device one handed like holding a baby on one hand and feeding her using another hand.

Exactly! You are comparing 4.4 to 4.3. It's already been shown that Android kit kak has a lower system requirements meaning it will run a lot more efficiently on lower end devices and extremely fast on high-end devices. So the experience that you're having on 12.2 is the same experience you will get on 10.1 when Kit Kat is finally sent to our devices. Especially since the 10.1 and 12.2 have the same hardware components. So it really does come down to if you want a higher PPI device or one with a larger screen. Me personally, I will always take portability and screen resolution over sheer size. Especially when it comes to tablets...
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pierrekid said:
Exactly! You are comparing 4.4 to 4.3. It's already been shown that Android kit kak has a lower system requirements meaning it will run a lot more efficiently on lower end devices and extremely fast on high-end devices.
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I have an AT&T N3 and have been running a leaked (but official) 4.4 test ROM for about three weeks. The N3 on 4.3 was plenty fast and I had no complaints. It's amazing how much more fluid it is on 4.4. Not only that, (my) battery life's improved by 20-25%. I'm guessing the efficiencies gained in 4.4 are probably behind the improvements "Pro" users are experiencing more than anything Samsung's done specifically. From various forums I'm getting the sense 4.3 wasn't one of Google's finest release versions.

Any regret in upgrading from 10.1 2014 to PRO 12.2?
I tried the Note Pro 12.2 yesterday. I was not impressed. 1) After holding it for a few minutes the way one usually holds a baby with one hand, I felt tired. 2) There were lags even the machine was on display for 1-2 days. 3) The letters did not seem to be as sharp as those on the 10.1 2014. 4) I had two apps in one screen. Did not find the feature useful especially when I have to see less in each window. Better if I could overlay the windows on top of each other. Given the above, is there a point to get the PRO 12.2 over the 10.1 2014? Are Hancom Office and Samsung Remote Desktop PC available for the 10.1 2014? How likely it is to be able to install Kitkat and Magazine UX on the 10.1 2014?

After having a 12.2 for a month now, everything else just feels teeny-tiny to me. I like the 10.1 2014 a lot, but I really couldn't do that size anymore for the same productivity tasks I've gotten used to on the 12.2
It's spoiled me for size, the same way my Note 3 spoils me against smaller screen phones.

What are the productivity tasks you have gotten used to on the 12.2?

pierrekid said:
Not at all. It really does come down to screen size. The resolution on the 10.1 is better but obviously the screen on the 12.2 is bigger. For me it's all about portability and the 12.2 is simply out of that range. If you plan on using the tablet at your office or your home office then I can see the point of the 12.2. If you plan on carrying it around the extra 2 inches of real estate just don't justify the hassle of transportation.
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The resolution is the same, the DPI is better on the 10.1 because is has the same number of pixels within a smaller screen.
As for comparison... I have Nexus 10 and Note Pro 12.2. The bigger screen is priceless, way overdue! I often run 3 apps in multiwindow and can't imagine doing that on my 10 inch tab, just not enough screen real estate...