Hi, I am currently using stock rom, rooted, stock kernel, on 4.3.
Last night I tried downloading google map on ipad, because I thought, this cant be it, the latest nexus device directly from google, and google map lags on it? Its gotta be the app i am sure!......
Well **** me, i was wrong.
It is very smooth on the ipad, comparing to nexus 4, I dont have a iphone so I cant compare.
But judging from N4 and my friends nexus 10, I cant believe google would make their own app smoother on ios than their own android system......
Its not like my hardware is outdated, nexus 4 and nexus 10 are both latest table and phone from google (well i guess if you count the new N7 then N10 isnt the latest.....)
Anyone else find this strange? Google Map is in fact skipping less frame on ios than android? WTF IS THIS!?!
Unfortunately we get updates faster than them so their issues are nothing compared to ours.
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hhwong said:
Hi, I am currently using stock rom, rooted, stock kernel, on 4.3.
Last night I tried downloading google map on ipad, because I thought, this cant be it, the latest nexus device directly from google, and google map lags on it? Its gotta be the app i am sure!......
Well **** me, i was wrong.
It is very smooth on the ipad, comparing to nexus 4, I dont have a iphone so I cant compare.
But judging from N4 and my friends nexus 10, I cant believe google would make their own app smoother on ios than their own android system......
Its not like my hardware is outdated, nexus 4 and nexus 10 are both latest table and phone from google (well i guess if you count the new N7 then N10 isnt the latest.....)
Anyone else find this strange? Google Map is in fact skipping less frame on ios than android? WTF IS THIS!?!
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No lag in maps on my N4
hhwong said:
Hi, I am currently using stock rom, rooted, stock kernel, on 4.3.
Last night I tried downloading google map on ipad, because I thought, this cant be it, the latest nexus device directly from google, and google map lags on it? Its gotta be the app i am sure!......
Well **** me, i was wrong.
It is very smooth on the ipad, comparing to nexus 4, I dont have a iphone so I cant compare.
But judging from N4 and my friends nexus 10, I cant believe google would make their own app smoother on ios than their own android system......
Its not like my hardware is outdated, nexus 4 and nexus 10 are both latest table and phone from google (well i guess if you count the new N7 then N10 isnt the latest.....)
Anyone else find this strange? Google Map is in fact skipping less frame on ios than android? WTF IS THIS!?!
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I have the same two devices as you and have not had any issues with Maps... I don't use it a lot on the 10, but for my N4, it's my GPS. I will look t it on my wife's iPad tonight and see if I see a difference.
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No lag in maps on my N4
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Are you over clocking your gpu/cpu etc? I am not saying N4 lags hardcore, it is just some minor frame skip but I am quite anal about it.
At least to my eyes, the frame skip is quite constant and obvious on N4, where ipad is generally smoother and not nearly as visible.
I am not saying ios has a perfect 60 fps in google map, there are still frame skip but at least it is not quite visible if you scroll slowly....
On N4 and 2012 N7, the lag is very obvious, I honestly have no idea why.....ever since their update, they totally ****ed google map up, it was amazingly smooth upfore they updated the ui.....
God damn it google
hhwong said:
Are you over clocking your gpu/cpu etc? I am not saying N4 lags hardcore, it is just some minor frame skip but I am quite anal about it.
At least to my eyes, the frame skip is quite constant and obvious on N4, where ipad is generally smoother and not nearly as visible.
I am not saying ios has a perfect 60 fps in google map, there are still frame skip but at least it is not quite visible if you scroll slowly....
On N4 and 2012 N7, the lag is very obvious, I honestly have no idea why.....ever since their update, they totally ****ed google map up, it was amazingly smooth upfore they updated the ui.....
God damn it google
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Stock except root. Smooth as butter on mine, scrolling, pinch to zoom. Are you talking lag in the app itself or in its ability to render data? If you scroll really fast it can take a second for the map to render the new data as its not stored locally but on a server.
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Stock except root. Smooth as butter on mine, scrolling, pinch to zoom. Are you talking lag in the app itself or in its ability to render data? If you scroll really fast it can take a second for the map to render the new data as its not stored locally but on a server.
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No, frame skip, not rendering tiles
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No, frame skip, not rendering tiles
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Okay got you, I have no problems with that.
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Is there anything that will take care of that sudden jerk when you start to scroll in the browser? It's very annoying. It's been improved over the stock ROM using other ROMs, but it's still there. When you start to scroll...it snaps/jerks before getting smooth. Yeah, yeah...I know...we have a SNAPdragon processor... LOL...but hope you know what I mean. Seems to only be happening in the browser, stock/dolphin.
Mine seems very smooth in Dolphin, Im not sure what youre refering to exactly. Is there a video or anything that shows what you mean?
mines smooth as can be as well.
Mines smooth with no snap at first...
Agree with the above people. Can you post a video? Mine's just fine.
Only video camera I currently have is on the Nexus. Sorry. But, you really only notice it, I guess, when you do a slight scroll. It's very minute, but...ah...must just be an OCD of mine.
I think I know what you mean. You scroll and its late to react so it jumps ahead. This is something I only noticed after using another device ( that I wont address by name because it hurts peoples feelings around here )which scrolls a lot smoother. And its not just the browser its all scrolling. But again, if I hadn't used the "other" phone first I wouldn't even notice it.
If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...
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I think I know what you mean. You scroll and its late to react so it jumps ahead.
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Bingo!
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If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...
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Man...hope they get it done soon! Or, hope a dev is working on something to get it to 100% perfection...or at least 99%....I think it's at about 96-97 right now. LoL
Yep, the iPhone has much smoother scrolling(there, i said it.), i did a direct comparison in google maps between the n1 and my dad's old ipod touch. The touch movement is far smoother and feels more real, as real as a scrolling image on a screen can be i suppose.
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If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...
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Yeah I agree, android is young but google will take care of the shortcomings. Just have to be patient
I can't believe anyone even noticed this!
I've had my nexus one for near 2 months now (and an iphone before that), and I've never noticed this 'problem' until I looked carefully after reading this thread!
GlenH said:
I can't believe anyone even noticed this!
I've had my nexus one for near 2 months now (and an iphone before that), and I've never noticed this 'problem' until I looked carefully after reading this thread!
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Oops...Sorry!
Hi,
I'm thinking of getting rid of my S3 LTE for a Nexus 4, as one thing that really irritates me about my s3 is that scrolling is not smooth with apps such as facebook, or any apps with listviews and images.
I've read that the nexus 4 is "buttery smooth", so I just wanted to ask, does the nexus 4 have this problem or not? I am amazed that my 1.4ghz processor can run hd games but cant scroll a listview smoothly, which leads me to think theres something wrong with the s3.
Any feedback on the nexus 4's smoothness is much appreciated.
Cheers,
Jack
Same thing with nexus 4 scrolling within apps is jittery not smooth. But I think its an app issue because on some apps like currents it scrolls smoothly but on apps like xda it is not.
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hmm thats sad to hear it happens on the nexus 4 too.
I thought it was just bad coding, but even in the play store, when I scroll down the homepage and images are loaded there is lag here as well.
For me it's really noticeable and not smooth, I can't believe iOS can perfect this with half the hardware resources but android cant.
jdmdc2y0 said:
Same thing with nexus 4 scrolling within apps is jittery not smooth. But I think its an app issue because on some apps like currents it scrolls smoothly but on apps like xda it is not.
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I don't have that problem on mine @ all.
Everything is pretty fluid.
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I don't have that problem on mine @ all.
Everything is pretty fluid.
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So when you scroll the Facebook app at a fairly slow speed, do you notice no ever so slight glitches? Like its dropping frames? I notice this a lot on my s3.
OK first thing you have to understand. Not all androids are the same. How the OS interacts with the hardware is very different from one device to another. With android being still in its baby stages you will find lag from time to time no matter what device you use. Apple can control all aspects of the hardware and software so they will always have an advantage. You have to remember even the OS is not designed to take advantage of anything more then a dual core. Android has a long way to go still.
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Ive been playing around, and if Ive found that the nexus 4 sets the min cpu frequency to 1026mhz when the screen is touched, and it appears my s3 only sets it to 800mhz. If i set my min frequency to 1.4ghz my scrolling is super smooth. I guess it's an s3 problem.
S3 is optimized to run the day to day routine tasks under 800 mhz. I installed android tuner and it kept reporting so about s3. Wasn't the case with my n4. N4 showed 1xx ghz or1.5 ghz... Somewhere between.
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I've changed my CPU governor from pegasusq to interactive which appears to be using more power when doing things, which is giving me much better performance including scrolling. I was on the verge of selling my s3 and getting an n4 before I found this! Its fairly smooth now though.
Its there. And it happens a lot. On 4.2.2 and on 4.3. I had to disable all transitions/animations because it is annoying to have a beastly phone with choppy stuttering animations
Inb4 my HTC one is silky smooth.. ..
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Its there. And it happens a lot. On 4.2.2 and on 4.3. I had to disable all transitions/animations because it is annoying to have a beastly phone with choppy stuttering animations
Inb4 my HTC one is silky smooth.. ..
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I don't have any of the issues you are referring to. My One GPE runs extremely smoothly with transitions/animations.
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Its there. And it happens a lot. On 4.2.2 and on 4.3. I had to disable all transitions/animations because it is annoying to have a beastly phone with choppy stuttering animations
Inb4 my HTC one is silky smooth.. ..
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Uhhh maybe because most people aren't having issues with chopiness? What GE rom(s) have you been using? I've been running sinless and it's silky smooth.
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No problems here either
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I think I'm running the first or second 4.2.2 ROM that came out. I also used the 4.3 ROM with the ridiculous huge icons and the animations stutter. Not all the time. But quite often.
Tell me what ROM you guys are using which is not choppy?
Running sinless and I don't have the choppiness. It's 4.3 as well. Have you tried fully wiping before flashing?
Ive run all the GE's 4.3 and it seems pretty choppy for the specs. For example, scrolling to side pictures in gallery isn't perfectly smooth. I didn't notice the very slight choppiness until I met the Moto X, which has worse specs but seems to pull out on top in overall smoothness
Android just isn't perfectly smooth. You have to deal with it. There was a reason for Google Project Butter in the first place and I highly doubt they could fix all the lag in a one go. However, don't get me wrong. The current state of smoothness is manageable and perfectly fine. Yet for a trained eye it is still not at the level of iOS.
All the guys saying their android device is perfectly smooth were probably saying the same thing back in the ICS days. Until they realized that it can be smoother after Google announced Project Butter.
I'm running the stock 4.3 image posted up and I do very occasionally get a few dropped frames but nothing to bother me about - quite surprised how well it runs tbh!
I have the HTC One GPE edition and there is no choppyness at all. My Nexus 4 was very choppy on 4.2.2 but it went almost away with 4.3. Still HTC One is much smoother.
I remember noticing this when I did GE convertion on 4.2.2. I think i figured out that the stock kernel is ramping up the cpu frequency too slow sometimes, try the performance CPU governor as see if things gets smoother. Haven't noticed the lag on 4.3 tho, not sure if it disappeared or I just got used to it. I noticed the same behavior on my Nexus 4 sometimes.
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I went from iPhone 5 to the HTC one and converted it to Google play edition. I am running 4.3 and see little to no difference in smoothness between the one and the iPhone.
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For_itembine said:
Its there. And it happens a lot. On 4.2.2 and on 4.3. I had to disable all transitions/animations because it is annoying to have a beastly phone with choppy stuttering animations
Inb4 my HTC one is silky smooth.. ..
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Yes it's true. With sense I never had a shred of stutter but I'm on my second stock GE 4.3 and still have to lower animation settings to look "perfect". I'm still happy though, few tiny stutters don't bother me but makes me wonder why sense never did that.
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Buy an iPhone
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Buy an iPhone
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That troll face fits you well sir.
Better yet try AHRD. Its the bee's knees.
"why is nobody mentioning the choppy animations in the GE??"
On a stock unmolested GPE (4.3) - no choppiness whatsoever. Animations fly like turd off a lubricated shovel.
I am having same problem on GE 4.3 .... However i thought its because of Modaco Switch that i am using...
The htc sense 5 is very smooth ... Hats off to HTC for that... I had been using iphones from years .. Until i sold iphone 5 to get Htc one...smoothness is not on par with iphones but enough to satisfy me... Thanks HTC
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Ciebiada said:
Android just isn't perfectly smooth. You have to deal with it. There was a reason for Google Project Butter in the first place and I highly doubt they could fix all the lag in a one go. However, don't get me wrong. The current state of smoothness is manageable and perfectly fine. Yet for a trained eye it is still not at the level of iOS.
All the guys saying their android device is perfectly smooth were probably saying the same thing back in the ICS days. Until they realized that it can be smoother after Google announced Project Butter.
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I agree 100%. Android will probably never be as smooth as an iPhone. And so what. I personally could care less if my phone drops a few frames here and there. If people have the time to worry about it then they should just get an iPhone or WP if they want a super smooth UI/UX. An to answer the question, OP, I am on 100% stock GPE 4.3 and i rarely see and lags. If there are, they are very subtle and i almost never notice them at all.
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I agree 100%. Android will probably never be as smooth as an iPhone. And so what. I personally could care less if my phone drops a few frames here and there. If people have the time to worry about it then they should just get an iPhone or WP if they want a super smooth UI/UX. An to answer the question, OP, I am on 100% stock GPE 4.3 and i rarely see and lags. If there are, they are very subtle and i almost never notice them at all.
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That's definitely not a fact. I use and setup iPhone 4/4s, 5's and they still have stutters and hiccups like jelly bean. No difference. I hate it when people's default answer is "get an iPhone for perfection". Obviously you haven't used enough iPhones to get an educated opinion.
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Cyrixfreak said:
That's definitely not a fact. I use and setup iPhone 4/4s, 5's and they still have stutters and hiccups like jelly bean. No difference. I hate it when people's default answer is "get an iPhone for perfection". Obviously you haven't used enough iPhones to get an educated opinion.
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Well, sure they have hiccups from time to time, like for example the new youtube app on the iphone 4, it lags as hell, but things like that are to be expected.
I was talking solely about the fluidity of the UI animations, I am still amazed how fluid my fiance's iphone 4 is when I get to use it.
And nobody said about iphone being perfect. Like myself for example, there is a reason I have switched from iphone to android devices and I am not planning to go back.
I am just admitting that iOS was always better in regard of UI animations despite the inferior hardware. Android on the other hand is getting there, or the current generation cpus are (getting ready for android) I should say .
Hey I just got my g2. Incredible phone, there is a learning curve however. I'm not quite used to the dimensions and button the back, but I have only been using it for a couple days so I'll give it t some time. The screen and camera are the best I've ever seen(not counting the nokia1020).
The biggest issue for me right now is performance. Switching in and out of apps and navigating apps is pretty choppy. Had this been 3 years ago the speed would be great but I'm comparing it to my galaxy s4 and iPhone 5 side by side and the scrolling on some web pages and apps is frustratingly slow. I was wondering if anyone is seeing the same kind of performance?
No, my phone is flying. No lags whatsoever. I would try a master reset and see if that helps.
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mike2518 said:
No, my phone is flying. No lags whatsoever. I would try a master reset and see if that helps.
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Same here, fastest Android phone I ever dealt with. Experience is better then N4, just with a load of junk... Cyanogenmod for us will make it better!
dotpage said:
Same here, fastest Android phone I ever dealt with. Experience is better then N4, just with a load of junk... Cyanogenmod for us will make it better!
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Since your coming from anexus 4, which was my favorite android phone besides the camera. How are you doing with the size difference? I have larger than average size hands and I have to bounce the phone around in my hand to reach things I need to press at the top of the screen. Never had that problem with the nexus or my gs4.
I'm coming from a N4 too (I'll get the phone the G2 this week) I'll miss vanilla, but the battery life, camera, and larger screen will MORE than make up for that with the G2.
do me a favor and try youtube, asphalt 8, riptide gp, etc etc. (heavy 3d games) everything is choppy for me but the choppiness is rhythmic for some odd reason
First off, what launcher are you using? I think alot of people that get lagged that are caused by a poorly written app, and assume its the phones fault. Only good way to tell will be factory reset, and run it that way a bit. All good then add ur apps back one at a time, testing it between apps, and that will pinpoint which app is the issue...
I've been getting some random gitter/lag with the ui as well, just tested in antutu got 30,000 then a second time got 26,000. Isn't the g2 supposed to get like 35k?
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Just so I could make a statement based on fact I downloaded Riptide GP 2 to see if I got any lag or stuttering, I played 2 races with no lag or slowdown. Then I went into the graphic settings but everything was already maxed out by default, I ended up playing for 20 more minutes and its a very fun game lol. So yep it just went thru the game like butter the way you would expect it to..
Hi ,
How is the overall performance of nexus 7 2012 after the kitkat update , kindly provide the pros and cons after the update.this could help me decide whether i should go for 2012 model or 2013 model.
If you are trying to decide between new and old, obviously go for the 2013, CPU is faster as well as more RAM. ART is also available on the new one.
As for issues, I don't have any with my 2012 so far on KRT16S. Adobe Flash no longer works because of chromium engine so if thats a big thing for you, may want to stay with 4.3
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If you are trying to decide between new and old, obviously go for the 2013, CPU is faster as well as more RAM. ART is also available on the new one.
As for issues, I don't have any with my 2012 so far on KRT16S. Adobe Flash no longer works because of chromium engine so if thats a big thing for you, may want to stay with 4.3
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Well the old one is cheaper though.. By quite a bit actually.
So does that mean flash won't even work with other browsers?
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Unless you don't have enough cash for 2013, go for 2012, it's still a great device and I never leave home without it, but 2013 is not really all that expensive, so the choice is clear.
Pros:
- it is smooth (but I factory reset it to install kitkat, so I don't know how it would've been if I just updated from previous version), but it was like this for every version
- transparent task and nav bars (with GEL or nova launcher, only on launcher though)
- clock font is the same again (in 4.2 the hours were bold while minutes were normal - I liked it this way more though)
- there's a new icon if you pull down notification bar on the right side
- battery life is good, but it's always been good
Cons:
- OTA rootkeeper doesn't work anymore, you have to manually re-root it every time
- 4.4 is pretty much the same as ICS except with slightly different icons and colors.
- lots of services still don't work outside US and couple of extra countries (play magazines, play movies...)
I don't know, it's android, it does everything, but starts to lag after a while and batteries die and such, I like my Nexus 7 2012 very much, if it broke (knock knock on the table, don't break!) I'd get a 2013 one, not 2012.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmhpivfu725it3v/Screenshot_2013-11-22-10-56-05.png
Obviously ours is cheaper but if it was me I'd rather spend the extra and have the newer hardware.. not to mention 2012 is creeping up on that 18 month EOL Galaxy Nexus just dealt with, the newer one will still be getting updates.
As for Flash its dead except for Puffin which apparently runs slow ppl talking about it here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2531015
Depends what funds you have available. I don't leave home without it and wouldn't swap it. Been working on KitKat for a while and no major issues and a lot less "lag" on 4.4 than on 4.3 :good:
Nope, OTA suvival works!
I was running a custom rom for 4.3 and 4.2.2 that was heavily optimized for this device by experienced developers on this forum. And the roms were SO MUCH smoother and faster than stock rom google provided. Now that 4.4 is available, I'm just trying out the stock rom by google, and man..I don't like the performance. There are quite often stuttering moments, and I am eagerly waiting for a stable custom rom based on 4.4. I'm pretty sure 2013 version, you don't really need to have a custom rom to make it super smooth, because I have the nexus 4, very similar hardware as 2013 nexus 7, and my nexus 4 runs very smoothly with google's official 4.4 firmware.
Hope it helps.
Well... it was with a heavy heart, that this afternoon, I took the decision to downgrade my Nexus 7 from KitKat 4.4 back to Jellybean 4.3.
Too many issues that I feel are wrong with KitKat... the lack of visual clarity on the WiFi icon, and particularly with the battery icon when the device is recharging.
But the real deal breaker for me is that KitKat 'breaks' the AOSP browser.
Although there is an AOSP KitKat compliant browser available that will run on the first generation Nexus 7, it's tied to Chromium WebView (instead of WebKit), and functionally, it's essentially identical to Chrome. And like Chrome, it lacks the speed of AOSP... further, it also lacks the one single critical feature that I believe any web browser needs to have in order to provide a satisfying browsing experience on any mobile device - and that feature is text-flow. What is the point in having pinch'n'zoom capabilty on any device, if the text doesn't reflow and reformat itself? So much effort using Chrome, panning right, left and then right again... just to read something!
Of course, it could be argued, that there are many third party web browsers on Google PlayStore that provide this functionality... and some do indeed make a pretty good stab at it. Opera Classic for example... Maxthon is another... but all too often, these browsers lack the lightening fast speed of the AOSP browser... maybe because they are encumbered with lots of useless (to me, anyway) features.
For reasons which utterly escape me, Google have been 'pushing' Chrome for Android as though it was the last word in Android browsers - IMHO, it simply isn't. There are far better browsers available on Playstore... but not a single one comes even close to the experience afforded by the AOSP browser.
All of which would be tolerable, if KitKat didn't force AOSP based browsers down the Chromium WebView path... so for me, Android 4.4 KitKat has essentially ruined my browsing experience - and for this reason, I spent the afternoon fastboot flashing my Nexus 7 back to Jellybean 4.3, and then restoring my apps via Titanium... a real time consuming nuisance, but if I wished to continue to use my Nexus 7, predominantly for web browsing, it had to be done.
I'm now back on build JWR66Y, reinstalled the AOSP browser, and everything just works... the way it should... and the way it used to... before KitKat.
Rgrds,
Ged.
The Kit Kat update was so buggy that it drove me away. I went out and bought a dell venue 8 pro today. The tablet was only 279 and has full blown windows 8.1 AND I don't have to hack it in order use flash sites.
Ota was very smooth ,and so far on my n7 2012 its running fab , no delay , only a few odd games don't work ,but its very nice so far
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Kernel,M-kernel, to android 4.4 stock ROM(KRT16s)
to find out exciting new features on KitKat.
The performance of stock KitKat is good for
a stock ROM but not great. The optimized 4.3 ROM
with M-kernel is faster and smooth without over clocking the CPU. The battery life last longer .
KitKat ROM has many new features that worth the
upgrade from android 4.3.
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Although there is an AOSP KitKat compliant browser available that will run on the first generation Nexus 7, it's tied to Chromium WebView (instead of WebKit), and functionally, it's essentially identical to Chrome. And like Chrome, it lacks the speed of AOSP... further, it also lacks the one single critical feature that I believe any web browser needs to have in order to provide a satisfying browsing experience on any mobile device - and that feature is text-flow. What is the point in having pinch'n'zoom capabilty on any device, if the text doesn't reflow and reformat itself? So much effort using Chrome, panning right, left and then right again... just to read something!
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Oof. I was afraid of this (I use Naked Browser Pro). Thanks for confirming the worst. Had similar feelings about Chromium-based Opera (nowhere near as fast as old WebView).
An awful lot of browsers rely on WebView, which makes me think this was a clear move to make all of them suck as badly as Chrome. Not that Google was under any obligation to help their competition, but it's still a crap move.
I do wonder if anyone will take the effort to fill the now difficult speedy browser niche on KitKat. You'd have to either:
1.) Port old WebView
2.) Fork, fix, and optimize Chromium (if that's even possible), or
3.) Use an entirely different engine (possibly your own).
None of these options are great, dev-wise ... and unless we're talking about Naked Browser, any new option is almost guaranteed to come with privacy issues (ads, trackers, etc.)
Given that WebView is part of the ROM, I wonder if OmniROM would be interested in eventually fixing this.
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Kit Kat performance is exactly the same as 4.3, no better or worse. It's OK but gets laggy at times. By no means would I consider the 2012 model quick at this point and you should definitely get the 2013 model.
Overall I consider the first gen nexus 7 a big disappointment in performances especially considering the initial launch video Matias Duarte is calling it "a lag free device". Yeah it is...out of the box, and after full storage and system wipe. Over time it gets so annoyingly laggy you wanna chuck it against a wall! The more storage you use the worse it gets and don't even think about adding a second profile. That's an immediate lag bomb!
Also build quality is very suspect, the screen lift/creaking issue seems to be a matter of when not if. I thought I had dodged a bullet with mine until 3 days after my warranty expired. The left side creaks like crazy, and I cracked the back cover removing it to perform several of the home !made remedies. All worked for a day or 2 then the creaking would come back! I eventually gave up and stopped caring.
I don't really feel too ripped off from buying it. Nearly a year and a half of use and 3 major system updates as well as countless minor system updates feel like I got my moneys worth. But tegra 3 isn't getting any younger and getting more and more dated by the day. Also Google proved with the gnex they are pretty cut throat with their 18 months of support policy so KitKat is most likely the end of the road for the 2012 model. Do yourself a favor and get the new one! You won't regret it
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You have to be insane to get the 2012 model. Mine is showing definite age and I have barely had it a year. I think there are read write problems with the 2012 hardware that makes it laggy over time.
Get 2013 model but know that it will probably be beat up and slow a year from now. I'd say the life cycle is about a year.
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mtva24 said:
The Kit Kat update was so buggy that it drove me away. I went out and bought a dell venue 8 pro today. The tablet was only 279 and has full blown windows 8.1 AND I don't have to hack it in order use flash sites.
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Seriously thinking out getting one of those too.
jadesse said:
Seriously thinking out getting one of those too.
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You won't regret it!
Hey guys!! I update to 4.4 me too, but Does your battery drain faster than 4.3 or it s only mine ? Before the battery was easily 8 or 9 hours daily.. With a basically use, now with exactly the same.. not going more Than 6 hours ..
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elfacki20 said:
Hey guys!! I update to 4.4 me too, but Does your battery drain faster than 4.3 or it s only mine ? Before the battery was easily 8 or 9 hours daily.. With a basically use, now with exactly the same.. not going more Than 6 hours ..
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The battery has not been too bad for me. There may have been a slight decrease, but I find this is common with some updates. Are you on the latest KitKat build or the first one?
ryebread761 said:
The battery has not been too bad for me. There may have been a slight decrease, but I find this is common with some updates. Are you on the latest KitKat build or the first one?
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The Latest.. It is possible that the reason is the root? I dit it 3days ago after the update(ROM) and I forgot to install the recovery tool .. So This morning I re-root the nexus with rectool and now for 1hour use, I lost only 5% so I don't really understand what's going on ..
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