Hey,
Just wondering if its only me, I've tried PA 4.3 JSS and JWR, really choppy and slow.
So i restored the JWR still continues super choppy, even simply going through the pages of the app drawer lags, Antutu gets me 14k results where previously on 4.2.2 i got 22k, on games like Real Racing 3 i notice much lower FPS than on 4.2.2,
I've tried with stock kernel and Franco, with small improvements with Franco but still barely unusable.
Is this situation shared with any of you using 4.3? Will it get any better?
Thanks.
Mottz said:
Hey,
Just wondering if its only me, I've tried PA 4.3 JSS and JWR, really choppy and slow.
So i restored the JWR still continues super choppy, even simply going through the pages of the app drawer lags, Antutu gets me 14k results where previously on 4.2.2 i got 22k, on games like Real Racing 3 i notice much lower FPS than on 4.2.2,
I've tried with stock kernel and Franco, with small improvements with Franco but still barely unusable.
Is this situation shared with any of you using 4.3? Will it get any better?
Thanks.
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I think you are the only one with this problem. I am on latest PA 3.96 and its super smooth.. Won't comment on games as I dont play much but performance,battery wise PA + franco's kernel rocks..
try clean wipe..(factory reset wipe all except internal )
Also it matters if you flash JWR kernel on a JSS rom you will face such issues,this might be a problem in your case. :good:
Its not the kernels mismatch, that I'm sure as I am aware many problems could be originated by that.
I notice the difference mostly in games since its one of the things I most use the phone for, although in the menus and general usage it still feels choppy and not smooth at all.
I have tried that, I have even restored the factory image and tried factory reset after that, all with no apparent result.
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Did you measure CPU clocks for some time too so you can see if it's something about the governor/etc?
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Did you measure CPU clocks for some time too so you can see if it's something about the governor/etc?
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Not sure how to do that but i tested Antutu and Real Racing 3 with Performance Governor @1.5Ghz and it still didn't cut it, i currently have the same Franco kernel settings i had on 4.2.2
Mottz said:
Hey,
Just wondering if its only me, I've tried PA 4.3 JSS and JWR, really choppy and slow.
So i restored the JWR still continues super choppy, even simply going through the pages of the app drawer lags, Antutu gets me 14k results where previously on 4.2.2 i got 22k, on games like Real Racing 3 i notice much lower FPS than on 4.2.2,
I've tried with stock kernel and Franco, with small improvements with Franco but still barely unusable.
Is this situation shared with any of you using 4.3? Will it get any better?
Thanks.
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I think something is wrong with your device, because I´m on AOSP build with Matrix kernel and I can reach easily 22k on Antutu with no tweaks, just installing ROM and kernel. About games, I have played some and I do´t have any lag or anything related.
As someone stated before, you should try to make a factory reset and try to install an AOSP version, because it has many commits and patches that JW doesn´t have.
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Not sure how to do that but i tested Antutu and Real Racing 3 with Performance Governor @1.5Ghz and it still didn't cut it, i currently have the same Franco kernel settings i had on 4.2.2
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By measure for some time I mean to use an app like CPU spy reborn ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mirko.csr ) so it'll record CPU shifts and clock times during a reboot session. It's good to see if the governor is behaving normally, but since you won't have a reference from before I don't know if it'll be very useful.
Well, good luck with your problem, I hope you get it solved quickly. I'm a new N4 owner myself (barely 2 months) and don't much yet about the device.
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I've noticed some games which do not run smoothly with 4.3, where they did with 4.2.2. I use unrooted stock, I don't benchmark because I prefer real-world usage.
I think the solution is to wait for app devs to update their software.
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I guess I'll try the aosp build,I've had it in the past but steered away from it due to the locks and also slow performance.
I'll try it and report back
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If you have a dedexed rom try jszaq patch from the benchmark thread. It will give roms without bionic/krait optimisations those tweaks and also it will give a huge dalvik/java improvement.
I score 21000 antutu and 8000 quadrant with it on deodexed stock jwr rom at stock speeds.
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I've been trying different Roms lately, such as cm10.1, slim bean, liquid smooth. They were all fine except liquid smooth. But I was just wondering in general, is there a ROM that enhances or makes gaming better on?
No. Your question is silly, it's like asking. What is the best operating system for gaming? Is it windows 7? Mac? Or Linux?
... What you're asking for are kernels, not roms. And there is no best rom or kernel. Just look around and try for yourself
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As zephix mentioned, you should be looking at kernels, not roms, to improve gaming performance. You would want to look into kernels that overclock the GPU by default, or give you the option to overclock it yourself. Compare the different kernels out there, matrix, faux, motley,harsh, etc and see which one benefits the GPU the most.
For example the Matrix kernel has a GPU overclocked version that boost the gpu up to 487mhz. This should help improve game performance but will also negatively affect battery life when gaming.
Trinity kernel, its the BOOM
Trinity kernel forces gpu over clocking all the time though, with no option to set it back.
You can try the RasBeanJelly ROM + Trinity kernel combo. RasBean has new bionic patches while Trinity bumps up GPU. I'm running that right now. There was a nice jump in my Antutu score (20,000+), but we all know benchmark numbers mean nothing.
Like zephiK and Raider said: it's up to you to try out a bunch of different ROMs/kernels and see which ones you like best. Since I'm answering, I say check out RasBeanJelly and Trinity.
Faux' kernel gives me quite good 3D performance.
franco r53 has quite bad 3D performance for me. r61 seems to be really good, but somehow uses more battery while gaming, at least for me.
Every ROM is okay, I play games with vsync off and 128mhz CPU and they run good. Dead trigger, most wanted, temple run 2, and riptide are smooth. Games that aren't tolerable are basically not optimized and most likely lag on every device it can run on. Long story short, every ROM is apt, the GPU is a beast and isn't necessary for things out now. And HD YouTube even works in this mode.
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All roms have bionic. Rom won't do anything to your game. Kernel probably won't either. Games on the stock nexus 4 run great. If it weren't for washed out colors I'd say kernels are a waste of time. But anyone saying that stock android on the nexus 4 is slow or unfit for gaming is a liar. Just stop worrying about this performance bs, enjoy your nexus.
Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster. I am using the stock rom with faux123 mako jb enhanced stock 422-r2. So my first benchmark on Antutu i got 18003. re-ran the same benchmark again with the same tweaks and got 14206 and thought it was anomaly so i ran it one more time and got 16142. I went back and re tweaked everything and my scores were every were, even in quadrant. the ranges were between 14200-16800. I haven't been able to get it back to 18003, maybe because i did it on a cold boob. but, the scores shouldn't be all over the place compared to benchmarking I've done on other phones. Any ideas on this and or fix it?
Your phone is throttling. Your first benchmark will normally be your fastest. I that's how it was for me anyways.
I've also had the same experience. It is certainly due to throttling.
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Welcome to thermal throttling. I recommend a ROM with the Bionic patches (there is an otherwise 'stock' AOSP ROM with these in the dev section, I'm not a stock ROM user so I haven't any experience with it) and you should notice AnTuTu scores going up to 20k+ and a noticeable boost to actual usage. If your device will under volt well (most will do at least -100mV AFAIK) you may mitigate the throttling to some extent without compromising stability however I don't recommend disabling the thermal protection as is possible in some kernels due to the red light death issue. Throttling is only really noticeable when you benchmark back-to-back. It's not a massive issue in most real-world use. I suspect it will become more and more noticeable on newer devices as device manufacturers and SoC designers are forever scrambling to provide the best performance within the thermal constraints of a smartphone. As idle and low load consumption goes down with new processes, full load GPU and CPU thermals are forever increasing!
PA tweak improves benchmarks
I have to agree with you on this. The stock gave me an score of 17K (antutu). stability curve was all over the place in stock. switching to PA did not help much either, the scored went down to around 14K. yesterday i got an update from PA and flashing that gave me a boost of 18991. some good tweaks from PA i guess.
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Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster. I am using the stock rom with faux123 mako jb enhanced stock 422-r2. So my first benchmark on Antutu i got 18003. re-ran the same benchmark again with the same tweaks and got 14206 and thought it was anomaly so i ran it one more time and got 16142. I went back and re tweaked everything and my scores were every were, even in quadrant. the ranges were between 14200-16800. I haven't been able to get it back to 18003, maybe because i did it on a cold boob. but, the scores shouldn't be all over the place compared to benchmarking I've done on other phones. Any ideas on this and or fix it?
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Lmao cold boob!
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Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster.
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You are making faster a device which already is one of the FASTEST devices on this planet?
maybe because i did it on a cold boob
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LOL:laugh:
See if it's a governor problem, set it to performance and see if it levels out. GPU scores on antutu vary by @ 1000 marks, so take that into account too.
terrible performance.
You are not alone...throughout this forum I have read complaints about Asphalt 7 from people who own N10. The thing is, the older versions used to run really great. Then they went ahead and updated it to something horrible.
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?? Running fine here. Ran it on both Mr. Robinson AOKP and Sentinel CM Linaro with Trinity kernel, Interactive Governor and SIO Scheduler.
Using custom Kernel, RAM, LMK, ADJ, Dalvik, init.d, build.prop, and sysctl.conf tweaks as well but you should be fine with the settings above.
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?? Running fine here. Ran it on both Mr. Robinson AOKP and Sentinel CM Linaro with Trinity kernel, Interactive Governor and SIO Scheduler.
Using custom Kernel, RAM, LMK, ADJ, Dalvik, init.d, build.prop, and sysctl.conf tweaks as well but you should be fine with the settings above.
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I will presume that you are running the latest updated version of the game. Unfortunately for me, and many others (just check the playstore reviews specific of N10 users) the framerate is very poor. I think there are 2-3 threads dedicated to the low performance of the game, both on the N10 general and applications sections. Earlier, the game was smooth as butter. I have tried it on 3 roms, Vanilla Rootbox, Task's AOKP and Mr.Robinson's itself, but for an earlier versions of the roms in the last two cases as now I prefer the rootbox. Other high graphics games such as NOVA 3, MC4 and Real Racing 3 etc run very smoothly. It's a shame, cos I used to love Asphalt before.
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runned ?
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runned ?
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Not everyone on the forums knows English very well so you don't need to point out grammar mistakes. Just help them out. Or it could just be a typo.
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its not the Nexus 10 its the game, ive got it on my ONE S as well as the nexus 10 and the game stutters and lags in the exact same places
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its not the Nexus 10 its the game, ive got it on my ONE S as well as the nexus 10 and the game stutters and lags in the exact same places
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I know, if it were the device, then no other high graphics game would run smoothly either. I have only found this problem with A7 yet.
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Hey have you tried an clean install of Mr. Robinson AOKP I'm getting great fps on this game with some lag
Hey everyone
I ran antutu benchmark on my nexus 4 running PA v3.97 and i got a score of a little more than 16 thousand and then i install the semaphore kernel and got an embarrassing score of 14162. Whats happening? Arent these a little odd considering that a STOCK Nexus4 has a score of 20 thousand?
And another un-related thing, The carbon rom is not booting up with the matr1x kernel. the google sign comes up and no bootanimation and it stays there.
Really need your help, Thanks
If there is one thing I learnt here it would be that benchmarks are unreliable.
Make sure that kernel matches the ROMs Android version and build, it may not be even supported.
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Stock doesn't score 20k
Check your CPU speed on your Antutu Detailed Score, I would say most likely it was caused by the CPU throttling if it's not 1514 (or something around that),
Custom ROM can be the culprit too, since I only get 13k-14k score with MIUI (from miuiandroid) which is pretty embarassing, that was MTK6579 level.
My stock 4.2.2 doesn't even come close to 20k score. Only 17,900 something.
Hello all!
Strange "issue" - i don't know if this is an issue but yeah - i installed the KITKAT release that appeared about 20 hrs ago on the google website...
Now - Antutu score has dropped a lot!
Before 4.4, i hat stock 4.3 - 19000 score and last AOKP with franco kernel - 20600
NOW - with 4.4 it has dropped to 14639 !!!!!!!
kreindler said:
Hello all!
Strange "issue" - i don't know if this is an issue but yeah - i installed the KITKAT release that appeared about 20 hrs ago on the google website...
Now - Antutu score has dropped a lot!
Before 4.4, i hat stock 4.3 - 19000 score and last AOKP with franco kernel - 20600
NOW - with 4.4 it has dropped to 14639 !!!!!!!
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Wait antutu gets compatible with 4.4 kikat
Karo. said:
Wait antutu gets compatible with 4.4 kikat
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already is, while i was on n5 port i got 16k witch is standard for stock, that 14k just confirm what i said in other threads, 4.4 is more laggy than 4.3(not laggy like it lags a lot, but sometimes u see some little lags where u dont see on 4.3)
1. Antutu has changed a lot since even 4.3.. Separate dalvik tests etc.. Scores may have changed
2. Google phone software always comes unoptimised.. No krait/bionic optimisation and also with dog slow dalvik/Java libraries.
Kernel and rom devs should have normal performance resumed shortly.. Hopefully.
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1. Antutu has changed a lot since even 4.3.. Separate dalvik tests etc.. Scores may have changed
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Not a valid argument - i've done all the tests today and yesterday- same antutu version
Furthermore- has anyone made similar before/after tests with other benchmark programs??
I dont know if it's placebo, but 4.4 seems at least that buttery as 4.3 to me....
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Don't go on what antutu says it's the worsts bench mark use geek bench for CPU and gfx bench for gpu
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Don't go on what antutu says it's the worsts bench mark use geek bench for CPU and gfx bench for gpu
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now why do you say that antutu is the worst? in reality, they are both just as bad. yes, geek bench is just as inaccurate.
So, do these results indicate any sort of actual real life increase or decrease in performance?
I apologise just would like for someone to clear this up for me.
No. It is well known that bench marks mean nothing. They are easily fooled into giving higher scores with laggier performance
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yes and no.... benchmarks are irrelevant to a certain point. But overall - they offer a view on the performance - an s2 will get a lower score as an s3, or a nexus 4.. and that with cheating on benchmarks, i think the only one that was found was samsung... one more reason 4 me to hate them and their recycled plastic products
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yes and no.... benchmarks are irrelevant to a certain point. But overall - they offer a view on the performance - an s2 will get a lower score as an s3, or a nexus 4.. and that with cheating on benchmarks, i think the only one that was found was samsung... one more reason 4 me to hate them and their recycled plastic products
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You should be aware that the phone underclocks when reaches a certain temperature. Keep that in mind and re-do your benchmark. Put your phone somewhere cold, like granite, wait some minutes and do your benchmark.
Me too its just 15k in antutu.. And im getting some lags in games like FIFA 14 and a good battery drain it drains 7-10% in one night without use.
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already is, while i was on n5 port i got 16k witch is standard for stock, that 14k just confirm what i said in other threads, 4.4 is more laggy than 4.3(not laggy like it lags a lot, but sometimes u see some little lags where u dont see on 4.3)
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Agreed! Felt the same when i started using.
Any issues yet?
The only issue im having is that when i increase the volume while playing music and try to slide the volume bar on the screen, it doesnt work.
EDIT: Runnin butter smooth after 2 restarts since the rom installation.
Just got 17,915 Antutu on stock 4.4, tested in performance mode. Seems normal to me; bring on the bionic and dalvik enhancements.
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Hello all!
Strange "issue" - i don't know if this is an issue but yeah - i installed the KITKAT release that appeared about 20 hrs ago on the google website...
Now - Antutu score has dropped a lot!
Before 4.4, i hat stock 4.3 - 19000 score and last AOKP with franco kernel - 20600
NOW - with 4.4 it has dropped to 14639 !!!!!!!
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i tried antutu and got over 15k i will try again with ART
Flashed purity now... Will do antutu benchmark tomorrow! Fingers crossed)
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kreindler said:
Hello all!
Strange "issue" - i don't know if this is an issue but yeah - i installed the KITKAT release that appeared about 20 hrs ago on the google website...
Now - Antutu score has dropped a lot!
Before 4.4, i hat stock 4.3 - 19000 score and last AOKP with franco kernel - 20600
NOW - with 4.4 it has dropped to 14639 !!!!!!!
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Although i am new to nexus 4, ye i upgraded from nexus one just 1 week ago (nexus one lasted almost 4 years, what a dog !) i do have to say the kitkat update has made a significant negative impact in 3d games/applications.
The performance drop is obvious on say, minion rush. As i am a gamer in PCs for many years, since 1986, and a tv control news expert , i can easily feel the frames being near 25 and i can even tell if frames are down to 20 10 or 5.
I am pretty certain the frames in Minion Rush for example (heavier game i have atm in n4) have dropped at least 30% and i am pretty sure they were not way above 25 before kitkat. I estimate 10-15 fps max