When I first got into trying knew roms on my galaxy s and saw all the warnings about bricking the phone, I could not believe it.
Samsung is that primitive that it can not make a device that is brick safe, or maybe it is made that way in purpose?
As a software engineer - working in a small company that manufacture communication chips - I know all about the potential to sw brick a chip, and if we as a company that is maybe 0.1% from Samsung made sure that this is not possibile - unless a hw defect has occured - there is no reason for a giant like samsung to leave us the users of devices much much more expensive and sophisticated exposed to such a risk, unless they want us to get there and void our warranty and make us buy a new device, which is realy pathetic, since most of us will upgrade anyway to a new device when it comes out.
Instead of having a good reputation among us users and by that guarantee our loyalty, they get a reputation of a petty company.
A few years have passed and they released this powerfull device, more powerful than my home PC as of today, and we still facing the same shame.
I believe it is the same with other companies which leave us without any alternatives.
Hope they will realize that someday and we will not have to be affraid of bricking our devices anymore.
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When I first got into trying knew roms on my galaxy s and saw all the warnings about bricking the phone, I could not believe it.
Samsung is that primitive that it can not make a device that is brick safe, or maybe it is made that way in purpose?
As a software engineer - working in a small company that manufacture communication chips - I know all about the potential to sw brick a chip, and if we as a company that is maybe 0.1% from Samsung made sure that this is not possibile - unless a hw defect has occured - there is no reason for a giant like samsung to leave us the users of devices much much more expensive and sophisticated exposed to such a risk, unless they want us to get there and void our warranty and make us buy a new device, which is realy pathetic, since most of us will upgrade anyway to a new device when it comes out.
Instead of having a good reputation among us users and by that guarantee our loyalty, they get a reputation of a petty company.
However I believe it is the same with other companies which leave us without any alternatives.
Hope they will realize that someday and we will not have to affraid of bricking our devices anymore.
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You unbricked it alone?
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You unbricked it alone?
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I did not bricked it but the idea that it is possible in such an advanced device is upsetting me as if it is done deliberately, when I know how simple it is to make it safe.
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I did not bricked it but the idea that it is possible in such an advanced device is upsetting me as if it is done deliberately, when I know how simple it is to make it safe.
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Is it that simple? Now I don't feel like being a samsung-fan anymore. Why would them do that just for people avoid losing guarantee?
Tell me how easy it is to brick it please
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Tell me how easy it is to brick it please
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I guess you mean how easy it is to make it un brickable?
Well if that is what you mean then it is very easy especially when the chip set is of your own making like tge exynos.
You simply incoporate a boot rom that is not erasable which starts the boot process if it finds a valid firmware. If not it loads a firmware via the usb port.
This boot rom can be part of the chip or an otp device that is programmed with the boot rom at manufacturing time and thats it. You end up with fool proof device that is always recoverable even if it is totaly erased.
Hope this clears things a bit.
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Noobs should not play with stuff they have no knowledge in anyway
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Noobs should not play with stuff they have no knowledge in anyway
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You missed the point all together.
First I'm not a noob and I do have a large experience on how to make the hw to be sw un brickable, and can not find one reason to why samsung will release such expensive and advanced device that can be bricked to a point that it is un recoverable using the normal flashing port - usb in this case.
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You decide to unlock your phone, remove the software samsung installed, flash a rom made by somewhere on the Internet and if you screw up this is somehow Samsungs fault... I suppose if I take a hammer to my phone, LG are to blame for making it so easy to destroy my phone
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I flashed almost 10 roms,made 100 factory resets,had bootlops,my battery died,odin died while flashing and my phone runs like a monster
So unless you are ****ing with the bootloader or try different options in odin its unbreakable
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I understand that Samsung has some non-orthodox marketing procedures, but just a curiosity: are there any unbrickable android smartphones?
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You decide to unlock your phone, remove the software samsung installed, flash a rom made by somewhere on the Internet and if you screw up this is somehow Samsungs fault... I suppose if I take a hammer to my phone, LG are to blame for making it so easy to destroy my phone
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Taking it to a ridiculous place is not my meaning and I do not want to go there.
Let me give you an example:
You could take your car and rev the engine so fast so you whould ruin it and will not be able to blame it on the car manufacturer. So why car manufacturer today put a rev limiter so thing like this will not happen?
Do you see what I mean yet or should I give you another example?
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So whats ur point @op
every elctronice device can be bricked at some point ( hardware fault or user fault that cuz hardware failure ) other than that every thing can be fixed even the bootloader with jtag
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So whats ur point @op
every elctronice device can be bricked at some point ( hardware fault or user fault that cuz hardware failure ) other than that every thing can be fixed even the bootloader with jtag
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Let me ask this - if Samsung did not want thier devices to be altered in any way why go for an open source os, why not go like Apple on a closed proprietary os or os like windows and thats it. No one can change it and that it. Why go for an open source os but make every effort to not let it be changed , maybe even enhanced by other developers?
And don't tell me that they do not make a profit from all the magnificent minds out there making the os so much more interesting.
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Let me ask this - if Samsung did not want thier devices to be altered in any way why go for an open source os, why not go like Apple on a closed proprietary os or os like windows and thats it. No one can change it and that it. Why go for an open source os but make every effort to not let it be changed , maybe even enhanced by other developers?
And don't tell me that they do not make a profit from all the magnificent minds out there making the os so much more interesting.
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Much cheaper already successful formula ... samsung tried and still tries to produce their own software ... if it becomes at any point as good ans as popular as iOS eg ... they will ditch android any time ... samsung and all companies want to trap users into their ecosystem so they can sell most of their own thing maximizing profit ...
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Let me ask this - if Samsung did not want thier devices to be altered in any way why go for an open source os, why not go like Apple on a closed proprietary os or os like windows and thats it. No one can change it and that it. Why go for an open source os but make every effort to not let it be changed , maybe even enhanced by other developers?
And don't tell me that they do not make a profit from all the magnificent minds out there making the os so much more interesting.
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Samsung are just 'covering their ass' so to speak. They provide you with a device, with their own software. They then provide warranty and service to said device and software.
If you want to install your own software, Samsung are merely stating that they are not responsible for what you do with your phone, as after all, it may be the fault of the firmware that bricks your phone, not Samsung's problem. Also, they don't want to provide support for the billions of firmware versions out there.
Samsung could put in various ways (e.g. locking the bootloader) to stop users from bricking their phones, but then they'd end up like Apple and iOS with a 'walled garden' approach to software/hardware. This is not what Android is about (in my opinion).
There's a fine balance between letting users do what they want with the products they have purchased and protecting people from their own stupidity. Android is all about the former and Samsung are merely protecting themselves when noobs break their phone and come crying to the store asking for a warranty replacement for their own stupidity.
And as for outing Samsung from all the other Android device manufacturers, HTC also has similar warnings when you start flashing your phone.
I really can't understand your frustration , sorry
Edit: and about the car...again noobs should not do that kind of stuff if they don't have the knowledge IMO. Common sense is something we all should use..then maybe we don't need to put warning signs on the microwave "pls don't put in cat" or McDonalds "hot coffee " ..
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I really can't understand your frustration , sorry
Edit: and about the car...again noobs should not do that kind of stuff if they don't have the knowledge IMO. Common sense is something we all should use..then maybe we don't need to put warning signs on the microwave "pls don't put in cat" or McDonalds "hot coffee " ..
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Who said I'm frustrated? I'm just pointing out something that I think should have been done to secure the user - much like the car - especially when using an open source os which the whole idea - as I see it - is that it can be modified enhanced etc by the users, which can lead to errors and mistakes - or maybe I got it wrong.
Thats it.
Appart from that I'm happy with the device but whould be happier if the above was done.
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Samsung is using Android because it's free and it has many apps in the Store. Nothing more. It's just business. They had BADA OS as their own smartphone-system, and now it's dead because people want android. It's hard for new systems to fight with android and ios. Look at WP, only few % of market share. So why make own system, pay money for development, when you can use a giant for free? Again - it's just business. They are giving you a device with all it needs in Samsung's opinion. If you want more and you remove original rom and brick the device - that's your fault. If you change engine in your car and destroy something while putting the new engine, you can't blame manufacturer, right? The car was working good as a manufacturer said. But it is you, who wanted a faster car and made a mistake. You should just buy a faster car
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Even the rev limiter can be bypassed if the user wants to. As a "software engineer" you should already be aware of this. In the end, a system will always have an exploitable area. Even if the OEM places all needed idiot proofing, there will always be someone who'll render all those idiot proofing useless.
You say you company makes sure that your chips are brick free, but what that means is you company put all necessary/known steps for it to be brick proof.
That's what Microsoft, and other sw security firms says until someone finds and exploitable area they didn't know of.
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Venting frustrations with a question - Does ANYONE have ANY idea if Google is applying any pressure to hardware manufacturers to ensure updates? I would think not.
The ONLY thing that I really appreciate about Apple is that the iPhone is certain to get updates at least during the duration of your 2-year contract term. (by the second generation after your purchase the os might not be backward compatible. I get that.) Android is so hit and miss with updates.
Take the Vibrant for example. (please no idiot posts about "you knew what you were getting!" "They never promised upgrades!" etc) When this phone came out it was, and stil is, touted as one of the best gaming phones on the market due to it's gpu. So anyone with any technical understanding could only assume that updates would come. Why put a super charged turbo in a mini van? (again, no idiot posts about the obvious).
I for one will NEVER BUY SAMSUNG AGAIN. I am looking at the HTC Pyramid. At least my htc g1 got all the updates it could handle.
Fragmentation and lack of support could end up being the legacy of android unless something changes. on the other hand, I suppose I do appreciate the commitment of samsung to update their phones "within 6 months of an os update release."
Thanks for letting me vent...
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Alot of people see android and fragmentation in the same reply and become angry. Those are usually the words from iphone fans. But I do believe android needs to apply pressure to companies who put android on there devices. Support can make a big difference when it comes to customers. I have faith in android/google to figure out a balance of open source and some type of rule set for companies wth resources to apply updates.
I just hope it doesn't end up like winmo.
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Software updates should be given out by googleand google only.
I trust google and no one else in the android world.
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Software updates should be given out by googleand google only.
I trust google and no one else in the android world.
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All android phones should be like the nexus,get updates directly from google
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Software updates should be given out by googleand google only.
I trust google and no one else in the android world.
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Exactly.
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I am not considering anything but a nexus phone when its time to replace my vibrant....but honestly I don't care too much I got this phone knowing that samsung are gangsters and just leave phones with no real support...i knew from the start that it would be popular enough to have dev support....my phone has been rooted from day one
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Welcome to the open source world. Get a Google phone if you want updates, they only have two available .
If only they have done that from the start.
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ALL of you are ignoring the fact the nexus doesn't have gingerbread... I mean we may have it sooner (leaks)
Android is as open as the developers behind the handset. The whole open source is better is just a lie that geeks tell themselves to justify their purchase. Take Vibrants for example, Android can still be the open platform that it is but without the developers behind it, it is nothing. Openess doesn't worth ****, not for phones.
A good counter example is iPhone (or WP7 eventually if the community grows), while the platform is closed source, the jailbroken community is still prosperous and brought many additional function to the platform without being open source platform in the first place.
sp1kez said:
All android phones should be like the nexus,get updates directly from google
From a business perspective, Google does not even want to come close to this responsibility. To much cost and responsibility at stake.
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Sign the petition!
http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices
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Signed. I want these manufacturers to look at cell phones the same as laptop manufacturers do -- realizing that several different operating systems might be installed on their hardware product. And of course, in this sense, Samsung should have a good perspective on this desire for flexibility, considering its relative success in laptop business.
so you want to pay for upgrades like you do on windows? im quite content with software upgrades on mobile devices.
a laptop owner doesn't pay the laptop manufacturer for the software upgrade... they obtain it by other means. and in this case, Android is available free of charge (much like its Linux roots). the manufacturer just provides the software/firmware to get that software working with their hardware
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a laptop owner doesn't pay the laptop manufacturer for the software upgrade... they obtain it by other means. and in this case, Android is available free of charge (much like its Linux roots). the manufacturer just provides the software/firmware to get that software working with their hardware
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yes and just like bios upgrades are very rare if ever. do a quick search on your motherboard bios and tell me how many revisions it has.
I believe my Lenovo model has had two BIOS updates. At any rate, what the petition is arguing for is not equivalent to a BIOS. Why are you even arguing anyway? Go away if it isn't relevant to you.
On a side note. You really should not flash bios images anyway. Only do it if you are having an issue. I flashed ECS bios update, using their tool and it bricked my board. They wanted $35 in order to send me a new bios chip. The board only cost $40 new. i got lucky, I was taking a class at a community college and noticed their electronics lab had devices to write to chips. I bought a blank chip and had an instructor write bios for me. Cost me less then $2.
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I believe my Lenovo model has had two BIOS updates. At any rate, what the petition is arguing for is not equivalent to a BIOS. Why are you even arguing anyway? Go away if it isn't relevant to you.
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why wouldn't this be relevant to me? you're going to annoy someone about something that they are doing for FREE so that they can then charge us for firmware updates.
you're clearly worth ignoring from now on
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why wouldn't this be relevant to me? you're going to annoy someone about something that they are doing for FREE so that they can then charge us for firmware updates.
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Put your thinking cap on
Isriam said:
why wouldn't this be relevant to me? you're going to annoy someone about something that they are doing for FREE so that they can then charge us for firmware updates.
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Why don't you start a petition of your own then? One asking Samsung never to disclose anything and let us wait forever for updates and fixes?
What are you doing here at XDA, anyway? Go someplace else and wait for Sammy to give you bits and bobs for free over Kies...when and if they see fit.
no use.... samsung takes a lot of time with their UI. Just crapware imo.
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why wouldn't this be relevant to me? you're going to annoy someone about something that they are doing for FREE so that they can then charge us for firmware updates.
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You're a retard. It's obvious you can't code your way of a paper bag, so you're very lucky there are developers that don't have your mindset.
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We, the undersigned, petition Samsung Mobile to release as much as is possible to third party developers (in particular, driver libraries and source headers) in order to allow users to obtain full functionality of the device they have paid for, and further the principles of free open source software (FOSS).
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seriously? tell me what functionality is missing from having to wait for an update?
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seriously? tell me what functionality is missing from having to wait for an update?
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ICS has a lot of features that GB is missing.
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seriously? tell me what functionality is missing from having to wait for an update?
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exactly. the crybabies in this thread are those who don't appreciate what devs give them, and always cry and complain about leaks (ics) and kernals that brick their device.
i've been on this forum for years and years, supported many devs. creating a petition demanding a manufacturer release free firmware upgrades faster is pathetic.
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and ICS is coming to the phone, so whats your point? so it might arrive a month or a few months after other devices, is that really a major issue?
edit : ICS might have features missing from GB but then GB had features more than froyo, some devices cant handle the upgrades is that samsungs fault for being unable to support old handsets? tell me is your phone able to do everything you need it to using GB and will ICS have features that you will use day in day out, if so please list them
Some exciting news came from yesterday’s Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 launch event where the company briefly announced they’ve sold more than 10 million Galaxy Note smartphones worldwide. The original Note made its debut in late October 2011 in Europe before making its way to the U.S. in February. To be honest with you, when Samsung announced the Note, I didn’t think it would be the first phone, greater then 5 inches, to have the success it did. It certainly has taken the mobile world by surprise!
Just to give you an idea of the momentum, it was only four months ago that Samsung announced they had sold 5 million Notes. The surge of sales to 10 million units is no doubt a combination of its launch here in the States and continued promotion throughout the Olympic Games. Samsung is expected to launch a successor to the original device at their pre-IFA press conference on August 29th in Berlin, Germany. The new version is rumored to have an even larger screen, and a bump to a quad-core CPU.
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10 million units affected by the emmc brick bug yea baby !
Now someone do the math , 10 million. Bricks being sent back to the repair center is what ?
900 gazillion infinity dollars ?
I'd like to grab new a sheet of gorilla glass and break it over the heads of their executives
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10 million units affected by the emmc brick bug yea baby !
Now someone do the math , 10 million. Bricks being sent back to the repair center is what ?
900 gazillion infinity dollars ?
I'd like to grab new a sheet of gorilla glass and break it over the heads of their executives
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You assume that all galaxy note users are noobs trying to force their way into the magic world of root :silly::silly::silly:
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You assume that all galaxy note users are noobs trying to force their way into the magic world of root :silly::silly::silly:
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I reckon if samsung were getting loads of handsets back to replace the motherboard they would have done something about it by now, I think they are right by saying that wiping with stock kernel is safe if it wasn't thered be a lot of that 10 million with bricked notes by now. Cause most people don't even root or know anything about the bug so would wipe without realizing.
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root is not the cause, otherwise the warnings would read if on root then do not ever... Not everyone wipes or factory resets, thats is true.
ontopic:10 million is interesting, makes it a niche succes, but s2 sold 6 fold more no? And other sellers how much they sold? Funny how relational success is often omitted. I guess compared to Streak it sold more.
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i dont love my phone
its bricked with emmc bug !
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ontopic:10 million is interesting, makes it a niche succes, but s2 sold 6 fold more no?
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You can't compare the two - they are different markets. The Note has a smaller market.
It's like comparing sales of a SUV versus a midsized 4 door sedan. The disadvantages of the former's size outweigh, for most, the clear benefits of a vehicle of that size.
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You can't compare the two - they are different markets. The Note has a smaller market.
It's like comparing sales of a SUV versus a midsized 4 door sedan. The disadvantages of the former's size outweigh, for most, the clear benefits of a vehicle of that size.
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agree 100%. Relational wise its still nice to do a comparison in totals. Plainly because there is no phone directly that can be seen as a competitor. But does put things in perspective within phone industry. Thats what I still seek.
I guess 10 million units justifies a good market, Its about 6 billion $ in revenue counting from retail point of view.
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Probably less than .5% were returned by rooters and ROM flashers....
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I agree with baz77, that not all of N7000 users are rooters, as I believe, some are :
never even heard that there's such thing call as "root"
ever heard about it, but just don't care, because they don't need root access
ever heard about it, want to do, but scare expensive handphone spoilt
ever heard about it, want to root, but don't know how to do
ever heard about it, want to root, but lazy to find out how to do
so... For samsung, the numbers of rooters, custom ROM-ers, is very little, compare to the number they have sold.
here in singapore, many users complain that N7000 the battery life is sucks to the end (can last only 6-7 hours, with original stock ROM and stock Kernel). =p
For those my friend, I will freely do the "enhancement" for them.
For those I don't know ? hehehe.. just gone by the wind ah... I also only overheard their conversation on the public transport.
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But for the hardbrick bug, I believe, it is not about the rooting problems. Rooting and install the custom ROM, seldom do any hardbrick to the device, so long as we follow the dev instructions.
It is the wiping data / factory reset, which cause most of the hardbrick on the N7000.
I am one of those 10 million users
And one those those who got their phone bricked (ofcourse got it replaced)
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not caring bout the bug...
Tho I have a dangerous chip...
The Galaxy note is da baws!!
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I am one of those 10 million users
And one those those who got their phone bricked (ofcourse got it replaced)
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hahaha.
feels nice right when your phone brick ?
if you have never experienced it, you won't learn. And you won't feel that nervous feeling of "damn.... what did I do? what to do? damn it... I missunderstand the step!!!"
:laugh: lol
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hahaha.
feels nice right when your phone brick ?
if you have never experienced it, you won't learn. And you won't feel that nervous feeling of "damn.... what did I do? what to do? damn it... I missunderstand the step!!!"
:laugh: lol
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Actually that was a memorable moment for me with my note
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Anyone know if Samsung has said anything new or is there any other news to the Exynos sources?
I did follow the thread that got locked down witch was good.
I don't have Facebook and I don't know how to use Twitter so it's not that easy to get news about the Exynos that the other thread provided.
It's going as suspected, right down the crapper, that is. Origenboard is "under construction" according to insignal.
Sh*tty as usual.
If there is a breakthrough you'll see some threads pop up about it.
I think it is time that the FESM | Free Exynos Sources Movement
thread should be unlocked and make use of the fact that Samsung needs good publicity with the release of S4. Now the 4412 is getting way behind the current chipsets including the new ones from the Exynos family, what the hell can still hold Samsung from releasing them>
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I think it is time that the FESM | Free Exynos Sources Movement
thread should be unlocked and make use of the fact that Samsung needs good publicity with the release of S4. Now the 4412 is getting way behind the current chipsets including the new ones from the Exynos family, what the hell can still hold Samsung from releasing them>
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Simple explanation: Money
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Simple explanation: Money
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Yea, but i do see where he's coming from, that same money, or the potential loss it may come from bad publicity by them not releasing said sources may tilt the scales enough for them to find it worth it to release them. They'll be more exposed to bad publicity when they're releasing a new flagship device.
Not sure how farfetched this sounds, but who knows what makes a big corp like samsung tick on their insides... i think it's worth the shot.
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Simple explanation: Money
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To be honest there aren't many financial reasons not to release sources especially for hardware used with an open source system. If any thing it looses them money because people will buy more open devices.
We for example like open source if we wanted a closed source system we would get either an iPhone or windows phone, or at the very least not root.
I really can't see what Samsung would loose from not releasing sources, the people who don't care aren't keeping up with the news so they essentially don't matter, what does matter is the people moving to other devices over the sources.
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I really can't see what Samsung would loose from not releasing sources, the people who don't care aren't keeping up with the news so they essentially don't matter, what does matter is the people moving to other devices over the sources.
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They want make people to continuously buy new devices. Who would upgrade his aftermarket phone if it's able to run new software (and, may be provide better experience than current devices)? And this means loss of potential income for them.
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It is true that (not) releasing the sources would affect just a tiny percent of their sales but it is often the case that those people are asked for advice when someone is buying a new phone. After the worst possible experience with LG I have personally revert 10+ people even considering LG as possibility and recommended sony as alternative.
Also there is a case (as myself) that are not informed about the problems with CM before buying the phone as it never came to my mind that the most developed family of phone will have problems with cyanogen.
It would be great if we can work together with the S2 community because when the phone gets into the third year of existence it is more dependent on CM than official moded roms.
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They want make people to continuously buy new devices. Who would upgrade his aftermarket phone if it's able to run new software (and, may be provide better experience than current devices)? And this means loss of potential income for them.
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Most of the people who want to run CM so they dont buy new device are familiar with this problem are more likely not to update to Samsung anyway.
so what's so hard about using Twitter?
Well at least we should organise not just some useless spam now and then.
You seriously think it would matter if you organize or spam now and then? They couldn't care less either way.
You have more chance to have Lisa Ann and Amy Reid in your bed at the same time than seeing these sources mate forget about them...CM 10.1 runs prtty nicely on our device even if it could be way better
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You have more chance to have Lisa Ann and Amy Reid in your bed at the same time than seeing these sources mate forget about them...CM 10.1 runs prtty nicely on our device even if it could be way better
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I agree.
We would also have a bigger chance of Jessica Alba handing out free blowjobs to everyone on XDA than Samsung giving us those sources.
Theshawty said:
I agree.
We would also have a bigger chance of Jessica Alba handing out free blowjobs to everyone on XDA than Samsung giving us those sources.
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Hahahaha that would be even better than the sources...
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Hahahaha that would be even better than the sources...
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Fair enough. ^^
After all, Jessica Alba is one very fair lady. A mother I would most certainly like to -beep-
Woah! I just saw one of the most fair comparisons.
chances of Samsung releasing sources < Pornstars on our bed + an actress offering blowjobs..
xD
Well, ONE QUESTION. does UBUNTU TOUCH also require these sources??
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Woah! I just saw one of the most fair comparisons.
chances of Samsung releasing sources < Pornstars on our bed + an actress offering blowjobs..
xD
Well, ONE QUESTION. does UBUNTU TOUCH also require these sources??
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Yes, because it relies on CM10.1.
And I don't agree with you guys: even if Samsung don't release the sources, it's too easy to leave them alone (they don't comply with their license obligations, plus their promise, and on top of that, nobody bothers them), at least we should let them know we don't like to be f***** and it was the last device we buy from them.
that's cute
you're so naive
Hi people,
My wife and i both have notes. I'm rooted and have been running JB ever since the first leak.
My wife's is totally stock, running ics.
She's fed up of waiting for it, and before you all start flaming, she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying (her words not mine)
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know, but at this rate her contract upgrade will be upon her before she even gets jelly bean (due In august!!!) and I doubt she'll stay with android.
Personally I'm beginning to loose faith in Android and the fragmentation of its OS
The most used version is GB still!!!
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
Rant over
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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This answer might be considered standard from now on to every thread, question and rambling comparation of iPhone (6device company) and Android (+1000device not-a-single-company). Full stop.
Flashing a ROM in Odin does not need root :|
My thoughts
The most used version is GB still!!!
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Your Point? Nokia 1110 is the most used mobile phone. How many have you seen using that nowadays?
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
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It's nobody's fault.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
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It took 2 years from Single Core to Dual, but less than 6 months from proper Quad Cores to First Octa Core unveiled.
I used to think investing this many on a mobile phone keep me not in Enthusiast but in mainstream category for atleast 2-3 years. Not 8 months after purchase, it already feel cheap.
At least with iPhone, you have the peace of mind that if you got screwed, so are others, and pain won't resurface until a year or so.
But with Android, its like, you invest 500 Bucks on a phone and 30 minutes later, a new phone twice as powerful for 550 is unveiled set to release 2 months later.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Sadly, Stockholm Syndrome is a little wider than you think.
lol stockholm syndrome. Never heard of it that way with devices/product lock-in. Gave me quite a laugh, cause it could be true. Bit drastic but whatever.
Good thing Apple did push the envelope rushing android and other mobile manufacturers into better areas. Since they lost momentum I hope the Androids momentum continues.
On topic, there is another factor slowing multicountry roll outs, thats the countries themselves, so its not necessary Sammies fault one country is faster then others, go blame your countries for unable to keep up with Trini-Bego
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
Well i kind of agree with you but if a person is too hungry for updates. There always are the custom roms. I am a tw fan and i keep my phone stock but when i get bore or anything i try the custom and use it for a week or two.
So android basically is not locked up. U always have ways out. Good thibg about android is that u always get what google has to offer and plus the OEM update is a bonus.
I like to stay with samsung because of this fact.
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iPhone = One manufacturer, one OS, each iPhone (3g, s, 4s, 5) will run the same official shyt apple gives them
Android = Several manufacturers, several options, several price groups, several specs
Apple = MoFo autocrat
Android = Democracy
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Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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Android users would take it as a compliment. Android is evolving faster - open source - :thumbup:
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she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying
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Since when you need root to flash official XXLSZ for Germany via Odin? You don't even loose warranty...
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Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know
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Then why you're whining when you have no idea what you're talking about?
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The most used version is GB still!!!
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So? many people still use old phones and they don't want to change them
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Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Yes, because it's Google's not OEMs' fault that they can't keep up with updates
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Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own
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A moment of realisation, why the hell am I responding to a troll?
I'm saying that most android users no nothing about Odin or rooting, that's my point, they are completely reliant upon kies or ota updates being pushed out by the carrier once they've finished adding bloat.
Obviously having an opinion that is different to yours makes me a troll lol, what has this site come too :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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And you don't think that this will alienate people from android? If you look in the play store most comments for apps are about the size of them.
As the thread title says, these are my observations after using android for 5 years, I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, but coming in here and personally attacking me is unacceptable.
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why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Because a phone with a battery that cannot be removed is unacceptable, to me anyway.
What happens when the battery is knackered? The phone is redundant.
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Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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As above
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
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I've been rooting android devices for 5 yrs, I am merely trying to make a point from the point of view of a normal user. People who root and put custom roms on their device are in the minority, in the grand scheme of things.
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As above
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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Oh I totally agree I can't have everything, life is a compromise.
I just think Google is risking losing out on a lot of 'regular' customers because of its business model.
I stand corrected on the in-built batteries, but then your left with no device whilst its replaced, or not i don't know how long it takes.
Plus I don't think we have service centres in the UK???
Easier to just go to a shop and get a replacement battery there and then.
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