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Since a new thread seams to pop up every day asking for ETA's I suppose we can have a thread specifically discussing what we ACTUALLY know. Here is what "I" know at the moment.
GPS Fix
Currently there is a leaked firmware (see development forum) that looks like it improves the GPS functionality nicely. This has a build date of Sept 7th so it is fairly new. Due to certain issues, this appears to be a beta still. However, it does have the TMO apps on it so it is further along than a pre-carrier build. Given a beta cycle of a couple of weeks, if this goes out as an OTA, it would look to be at the end of the month at best.
It has been reported in another thread that TMO will start rolling out a GPS/Lag fix on Sept 20th. This is most likely based on, or is, the leaked ROM that you can find in the dev section. So far, reports on the GPS fix are "mostly" positive.
Froyo (Android 2.2.)
There have been no leaked ROMs for the Vibrant yet although there is for international versions. Samsung_mobile on twitter said Froyo at the end of September. Given the information in the previous section, it seems an interim build may be coming to TMO first, before a Froyo is pushed out. This one though is a complete unknown besides from that twitter post.
It is currently expected that Samsung will release a Froyo build TO CARRIERS on Sept 23rd. We are not likely to see a Froyo update for at least 45 days after that if not longer depending on how long it takes TMO to "wiz it up"
GPS is working very nicely for me on that new rom with no issues.
I was locking onto 6 birds yesterday. All stock. WHATUP NOW
Still take some froyo though haaa
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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Yeah, if we are lucky, we may get it by the time Google releases Android 3.0 in October....
I am sooo disappointed that every Android manufacturer locks down their product so tight, that without their cooperation, the phones are simply not upgradable to the new OS versions. In a way it's worse than dealing with the iPhone
Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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are you serious?
I think you need a new hobby...
There is really no good excuse for the delay.
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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.
Amen.
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In T-mobile/Samsung's defense...
When the first update for the G1 came out, it released in the UK before it hit the U.S.
Turns out that there was some kind of security bug in it, and they actually had to stop offering the update.
The testing aspect is why these updates take so long. It takes longer to test (and fix minor issues) than to correct the main problem.
What it boils down to is that no one really knows these devices in and out. You have cameras from one company, radios from another company, GPS chipsets from a third company, processors from a 4th, etc... and on top of it all your OS is written by a company that is very new to the electronics business.
The problem is the pace of technology.... sure you could pay 2 or 3 geniuses $100,000 a year for 2 years to learn every idiosyncrasy of ONE of your devices... but does that make sense when you have 2 or 3 new models going to market in 6 months?
Apple is probably the best suited company to have a team of experts who know their ONE device in and out... and even they screw it up (proximity sensor, antenna debacle).
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
Maybe old news by now, but Androidspin is reporting Froyo for the international version with a Sept 23 release date.
noob user, can't post links. visit android spin for the story.
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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Ill agree with this, if Samsungs priority was 2.2 it would have been done by now, easily. I mean 2.2 has been out since may. Its 4 months later, they could roll it out now if it had been properly and timely worked on.
It's not like all Samsung makes are phones.
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I'm still waiting for the HTC TV, HTC Washer and Dryer, maybe a Nokia Refrigerator....
When the other Companies start making all of this stuff, then u can compare
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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Well, I do a bit of most of the above.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers is so tough it takes years?
Or that we should not expect much from Samsung products, because they are a diversified company and can't focus on any particular product?
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
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I pay 400 people to do software development, and I agree with the other guy.
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No, I run a company.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers takes years?
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Ha, no. I'm OS and hardware agnostic across all platforms.
My point is realistic expectations. If the GPS update was top priority for Samsung and/or easy to fix (it very well may not have been), it would be done.
As the owner of a company, you know more than anybody the tradeoff's that need to be made when making business decisions. It easy to complain when you are individually impacted about the priority of some specific piece of work, but for Samsung you know they made concious decisions about release scheduling.
Given recent news, it looks like the GPS/hardware fix is being release seperately from 2.2. I'm a little dissapointed in this, it's seems likely that means we will not get the 2.2 fix before the end of September. Ideally they would be rolled together if 2.2 was close... unless the fix just took so long the release timeframes have been squeezed together. And all assuming the GPS fix is merged with 2.2.
Anyway, I'm rambling, no way to know unless we sit in on Samsung development meetings and what challenges they have had with the 2.2 release.
My 'guess' is Samsung had marketing dates to meet with the original OS and released the product before everything was baked in. There are lots of oddities and bugs in the phone I have not seen in other platforms (like HTC), and these are hopefully fixed and may explain the extra time.
I agree with you re: the UI. For those that care, and it likely the more technically savy are the ones that care, it's easy to change... one of the compelling things about any android device.
The Tab is nearly ready to launch. I'm sure it has been tested with 2.2 for a number of weeks, if not months. The have the drivers ready. They are likely devoting tine and energy to hardware releases at this time. It would be nice if they would release vanilla android then the other stuff in the market. They already do that for the samsung home and car apps.
It is really frustrating that these companies cripple good devices with bloatware and make you root to uninstall it. Gingerbread will be nice because all of these extras will be apps. Which is how it should have been from day one.
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@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Congrats Samsung. Three months after every other company. When will they learn that software development is just as important as hardware development?
they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"
It will likely come sooner to some locations
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they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"
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If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.
Something is NOT better than nothing. I hope they take their time and optimize the stinking releases that have been leaked so far.
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Another month or even two is fine with me. I'd rather they do things properly than rush to please an impatient minority
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If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.
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You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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on twitter @samsungukmobile confirmed to release froyo in this month, hope it will, maybe 23rd sept?! :-O
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You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?
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The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?
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Because some jackass at Samsung with a big ego can't admit that their filesystem is rubbish and needs to die. Even though they could easily swap it for a better one and give the phone a massive performance boost.
Whoever it is should get fired. Surely their engineers realise this, there must be someone stopping them from doing their job properly.
I hope they do something about it. It really is a strange problem.
JPH certainly wasn't fit to be officially released so I'm not surprised by a delay.
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@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Same here in Romania, samsungmobiles.ro said the update will be available around October, 15th...
I prefer to update my phone in October instead of updating it tomorrow with another damn crappy firmware. These koreans have very strange policies about firmware development
I would be very surprised if samsung change filesystem so close to the release - this is not typical for a large company. The leaked roms should be by now a good indication of what to expect. The reason samsung came up with rfs is because of older flash technology, they just seem to feel safer and more comfortable with continuing using in-house solution. Frankly, I don't expect they would ever switch - it would require significant validation, support tools, coordination ... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...
this is really sad....cant believe a company like samsung shipping millions of phones all across the globe cant have a 15 member elite team compile a froyo build which works really well....thats really a shame for samsung imo. We're not talking about needing engineers from another planet with large sized brains to be cracking this one....it just needs a well coordinated prioritized approach.
Wonder when samsung would realize the importance of having a good software team....looks like only HTC has realized the importance of packing in good sw improvements over an os as a winning differentiator.
bah!
gshklover said:
... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...
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If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
celeronix said:
If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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Agreed. I really like the SGS but this lag issue can't be ignored. If they really refuse to replace their terrible RFS system it seems like an insult. There is no good reason to keep it, we have already had people on this forum come up with significant improvements to the lag by implementing other filesystems.
But then the problem is, who do I go to next
I'm not afraid to switch manufacturer, I do it all the time. Nokia lost me due to crap software, HTC suck at sound quality, SE are super slow with Android updates (their flagship phone is still on 1.6, haha)...
Damn, they're all crap in their own way
Samsung don't make me write you off for good by screwing the SGS owners over
celeronix said:
If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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Yeah, I don't think that Samsung will abandon SGS soon. I had i900 Omnia and the best firmware for this one has been released may be a year and a half after it's promo. Funny ha? I remember the first firmware. It was AWESOMELY crappy and sluggish. Sad story
@Maddmatt: I totally agree with you. Now Samsung have a really BIG chance to grow their market share with great phone like our SGS, but they should be fast and quick, fighting for their customers. Because we didn't spent 500$+ for their ignorance policies
i got omnia (the first one, 16GB) and only managed to see one official firmware update, and that's it. Then it was all about Omnia II. Hopefully, they won't do the same with SGS and come up with SGS II anytime soon.
Lol in my words I'll sum up the article from sammys pov...oh shyttt htc is pumping out 1.2 quick let's upgrade it so it won't fail...to me epic fail, stop copying if you want to do something different at least try to beat them, don't match em
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/06/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-dual-core-cpu-getting-bumped-up-to-1-2ghz/
Don't forget to thank him, guys.
conqu1stador said:
Don't forget to thank him, guys.
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Damn straight playa
It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.
Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.
mattykinsx said:
It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.
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Oh no doubt I was only speculating on the fact that they used 1.2, they could have done 1.1 for battery life or even 1.3 to "beat" the competition I just found it funny how they did this, it kind of utters what they did like a month ago or maybe weeks with the galaxy tab, once they saw the iPad 2 s pricing they delayed the release and then came out with cheaper pricing, IMO samsungs trying to change their somewhat poor reputation which I respect but at the same time do something that the competition hasn't already, you guys see what I'm saying
I'm with you HTC over Samsung any day!!!
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Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.
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There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.
Thanks for the feedback with posts and votes guys
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There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.
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i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"
Dan330 said:
i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"
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No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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Ding ding
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Well it'd be nice to have all the phones updated that way it leads to more competition, thanks for voting everyone
housry23 said:
No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"
someone really had to be the dbag...smh, samsung lmao, whateverrrr
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hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"
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Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile
HTC Evo 3d.
I played with a Vibrant when I was with T-Mobile and an Epic when I first started Sprint (I actually still have Odin and the software package to run to return to 2.1 unrooted in case my idiot friend bricks his phone again ). I just like HTC's hardware and software better. The phone feels faster, looks faster, feels more durable, looks more durable, performs better, looks prettier and seems more stable than touchwiz sammy phones. Even with their Nexus S, they still manage to screw a lot of things up. No expandable memory = a 16GB Android iPhone. Make entirely out of cheap plastic. Fail.
HTC > Samsung
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Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile
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cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!
Dan330 said:
cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!
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No its not what I said.
I said there is going to be a non fragmentation clause.
I'm sure there will be rules to it because at some point old phones really can't handle the new software improvements ...however....there iis NO EXCUSE BUT LAZINESS for practically all phones not running android 2.3.3.
Furthermore it does NOT violate the definition of open source.
Just as the GPL does not violate the idea of open source.
Its merely a condition...you use the software on your devices...you keep the software updated to protect your users.
Its just another stipulation.
how would that stipulation or clause be worded or enforced on an open source product?
i agree it would be great...
but i dont think it will work for this enviroment
Why need it be so hard to support the developers working on Samsung phones....releasing code that is impossible to work with....as on the sgs2 for example.....there are ways to work with and support those working on porting phones...Sony Ericsson has made that effort to support the community....so should Samsung....they make great phones wich could be even greater.....if only they embraced the community and made an effort to work with, and not against......
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maybe you should research before you post pointless threads that have nothing to back up your points.
Samsung have arguably been the most developer friendly company.
If you're talking about releasing proprietary drivers then what the fk can SAMSUNG do about it? It isn't theirs, they can't give something that doesn't belong to them.
$1 gets you a reply
So then there is no way to make it easier to get things working without releasing proprietary drivers .......then i give up on believing there is a way to get a working port to the sgs2.....but as i refuse to accept that reality , i still believe there are things possible to be change.
To make it easier without releasing proprietary drivers ......
Well people could make their own drivers, but I believe they'd need the full architecture map and the details outlining. Moreover testing and refining would take an immense amount of time.
It's slightly more complicated that this in the software world.
1 - as soon as samsung release anything they become responsible for it, i.e. they also need to release manuals, maybe maintain, support etc.
2 - samsung have how many different active handsets ? And each of them needs to be supported. It's one HELL of a job. I wouldn't be surprised if they just don't have time or don't want to spend money to support community.
Either you have no idea or your just impatient,Think about Samsung,there one of the world largest electronics company's in the world,while your sat at home drinking coffee or tea,there bashing out a new product and ideas to try and make electronic lives that more easier,from TVs,Phones,Fridges,Microwaves,laptops,sound systems,mp3s,hardware for other manufacturers,every second of the every day there working on something,its amazing they have anytime to actually release stuff like this but they do it,they try and support our device as much as they can despite having a patent war with apple at the same time.There about 10 different variants of this device,each one is slightly different,each one has there own different hardware,each one needs there own drivers,each one also needs supported,S2 is also not the one they need to support,Theres S,Nexus S,Galaxy Nexus,ACE,W,R,all need supporting so when they release the code when they do,you have a think of what else there doing and be more grateful they do it compared with say htc,who only manufacture mobiles but are tight arses,Samsung even sent several Galaxy s2 to CyanogenMod to he could bring his software onto the device,they didnt have to but they did.If they didnt care,they wouldnt do any of this,There not perfect but trust me they do try
http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/
And i agree with you about all they are manufacturing and that they have a lot to do....and need not support all of the products if so needed....
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Why need it be so hard to support the developers working on Samsung phones....releasing code that is impossible to work with....as on the sgs2 for example.....there are ways to work with and support those working on porting phones...Sony Ericsson has made that effort to support the community....so should Samsung....they make great phones wich could be even greater.....if only they embraced the community and made an effort to work with, and not against......
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wtf are you talking about? Please state how Samsung's released code for the I9100 is impossible to work with. Yes, apparently the original source release had some stability bugs (see Ninphetamine kernel thread), but Samsung fixed that MONTHS ago with update1...
Samsung is, in my opinion, the most developer-friendly manufacturer out there. Download mode (Odin) makes it almost impossible to hardbrick, and they're now the only major manufacturer that is not locking their bootloaders. They also usually release kernel source BEFORE a product even officially launches.
Entropy512 said:
Samsung is, in my opinion, the most developer-friendly manufacturer out there.
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LOL.
ROFL.
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LOL.
ROFL.
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duno why your laughing, they are, not only did they even hire the founder of cyanogen, but they also sent the cyanogen devs a bunch of SGS2's when they first come out so that they would support the SGS2.
I don't understand why Samsung sent team Hacksung free SGS IIs only to hold them up by not giving them what they need to develop on them.
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I don't understand why Samsung sent team Hacksung free SGS IIs only to hold them up by not giving them what they need to develop on them.
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Good point there my friend.
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LOL.
ROFL.
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Name a manufacturer who has done a better job.
HTC? Locked bootloaders, kernel sources withheld for extremely long times.
Motorola? Locked bootloaders
LG? Don't really know - at least in the US, their devices tend to be such bugridden **** (such as the battery-hogging Thrill) that you'd spend months just getting to the point of a stock Samsung firmware.
Samsung donated devices to the Cyanogenmod team and gave them nearly everything they needed to port the device - the only thing that isn't working very well in CM7 is Bluetooth, and you can blame Broadcom for that. Broadcom are ****ing douchebags when it comes to open source, they are one of the LEAST developer-friendly companies on the planet. Unfortunately it seems like these days, your only choices for Wifi/Bluetooth implementations are either the BCM4330, TI's WLAN solution (which is tightly coupled to OMAP), or some wacky niche player (Samsung tried to do that with the Infuse and the STE CG2900 - that epicfailed for them.)
If you're referring to ICS - for ****s' sake, Samsung hasn't even released their own ICS firmware yet. The sense of entitlement on these forums is getting to be utterly ****ing ridiculous. It's almost unheard of for an AOSP bringup to be successful to an Android version higher than the latest manufacturer release.
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Name a manufacturer who has done a better job.
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Sony Ericsson has actually helped with development for CM7, I think they take the cake .
Samsung is pretty cool too for donating phones to devs. Maybe they'll even help them develop in the future. One step at a time
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Why need it be so hard to support the developers working on Samsung phones....releasing code that is impossible to work with....as on the sgs2 for example.....there are ways to work with and support those working on porting phones...Sony Ericsson has made that effort to support the community....so should Samsung....they make great phones wich could be even greater.....if only they embraced the community and made an effort to work with, and not against......
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So what would you like us to do? Petition them?
What outcome would you like?
If the code is "impossible to work with" then why are there so many kernels out there based on their code?
Also, your ENTER key says "hi", and your period key says "ouch".
Sammy might have lots of smartphones and lots of stuf to worry about and its all that story about proprietary drivers, software and all that crap, but the truth is if they wanted, it wasnt that dificult to help the team.
If you do a little search in the forum u will see devices sucessfully running AOSP cm9 alpha on Android 4.01 which is higher than the latest manufacturer release, since only nexus have ics lolol
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I don't understand why Samsung sent team Hacksung free SGS IIs only to hold them up by not giving them what they need to develop on them.
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That was just very very cheap advertising
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Why would Samsung even release ICS drivers for SGS2 when they are working on their own ICS release for it? You don't give out the plans to something that you are about to bring out to the market before you launch it. Think about that.
I have to agree. The sense of entitlement is a bit crazy.
Hi people,
My wife and i both have notes. I'm rooted and have been running JB ever since the first leak.
My wife's is totally stock, running ics.
She's fed up of waiting for it, and before you all start flaming, she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying (her words not mine)
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know, but at this rate her contract upgrade will be upon her before she even gets jelly bean (due In august!!!) and I doubt she'll stay with android.
Personally I'm beginning to loose faith in Android and the fragmentation of its OS
The most used version is GB still!!!
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
Rant over
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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This answer might be considered standard from now on to every thread, question and rambling comparation of iPhone (6device company) and Android (+1000device not-a-single-company). Full stop.
Flashing a ROM in Odin does not need root :|
My thoughts
The most used version is GB still!!!
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Your Point? Nokia 1110 is the most used mobile phone. How many have you seen using that nowadays?
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
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It's nobody's fault.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
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It took 2 years from Single Core to Dual, but less than 6 months from proper Quad Cores to First Octa Core unveiled.
I used to think investing this many on a mobile phone keep me not in Enthusiast but in mainstream category for atleast 2-3 years. Not 8 months after purchase, it already feel cheap.
At least with iPhone, you have the peace of mind that if you got screwed, so are others, and pain won't resurface until a year or so.
But with Android, its like, you invest 500 Bucks on a phone and 30 minutes later, a new phone twice as powerful for 550 is unveiled set to release 2 months later.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Sadly, Stockholm Syndrome is a little wider than you think.
lol stockholm syndrome. Never heard of it that way with devices/product lock-in. Gave me quite a laugh, cause it could be true. Bit drastic but whatever.
Good thing Apple did push the envelope rushing android and other mobile manufacturers into better areas. Since they lost momentum I hope the Androids momentum continues.
On topic, there is another factor slowing multicountry roll outs, thats the countries themselves, so its not necessary Sammies fault one country is faster then others, go blame your countries for unable to keep up with Trini-Bego
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
Namanarusia said:
I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
Well i kind of agree with you but if a person is too hungry for updates. There always are the custom roms. I am a tw fan and i keep my phone stock but when i get bore or anything i try the custom and use it for a week or two.
So android basically is not locked up. U always have ways out. Good thibg about android is that u always get what google has to offer and plus the OEM update is a bonus.
I like to stay with samsung because of this fact.
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iPhone = One manufacturer, one OS, each iPhone (3g, s, 4s, 5) will run the same official shyt apple gives them
Android = Several manufacturers, several options, several price groups, several specs
Apple = MoFo autocrat
Android = Democracy
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Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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Android users would take it as a compliment. Android is evolving faster - open source - :thumbup:
kingears said:
she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying
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Since when you need root to flash official XXLSZ for Germany via Odin? You don't even loose warranty...
kingears said:
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know
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Then why you're whining when you have no idea what you're talking about?
kingears said:
The most used version is GB still!!!
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So? many people still use old phones and they don't want to change them
kingears said:
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Yes, because it's Google's not OEMs' fault that they can't keep up with updates
kingears said:
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own
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A moment of realisation, why the hell am I responding to a troll?
I'm saying that most android users no nothing about Odin or rooting, that's my point, they are completely reliant upon kies or ota updates being pushed out by the carrier once they've finished adding bloat.
Obviously having an opinion that is different to yours makes me a troll lol, what has this site come too :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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Gambolputty said:
Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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And you don't think that this will alienate people from android? If you look in the play store most comments for apps are about the size of them.
As the thread title says, these are my observations after using android for 5 years, I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, but coming in here and personally attacking me is unacceptable.
Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Because a phone with a battery that cannot be removed is unacceptable, to me anyway.
What happens when the battery is knackered? The phone is redundant.
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warfareonly said:
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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As above
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
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I've been rooting android devices for 5 yrs, I am merely trying to make a point from the point of view of a normal user. People who root and put custom roms on their device are in the minority, in the grand scheme of things.
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As above
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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Oh I totally agree I can't have everything, life is a compromise.
I just think Google is risking losing out on a lot of 'regular' customers because of its business model.
I stand corrected on the in-built batteries, but then your left with no device whilst its replaced, or not i don't know how long it takes.
Plus I don't think we have service centres in the UK???
Easier to just go to a shop and get a replacement battery there and then.
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