Thread also here: http://rirozizo.blogspot.com/
Hi,
Soon to be RC here, and my first contribution to the nexus 4 world is an attempt to convince you that your nexus 4 isn't overheating.
Some of you replied to my first thread here about what should i worry about in the nexus 4. Some replied that it has a battery drain... that i fixed by removing the google search bar... Others have said that it has overheating issues which some users are scared of.
I'm here to show you why you shouldn't be scared at all.
I was playing Fast And Furious 6: The Game, and 5 minutes later when i ran out of car gas, i closed the game and directly opened Trickster MOD app to see the temperatures of the phone... yes temperatureS.
You'll notice there are two temps in this app: Battery Temp and CPU Temp.
The one you used to check on older devices is Battery Temp, because older devices didn't have CPU Temp sensor.
When i first opened Trickster MOD it showed this:
Battery Temp: 42°C
CPU Temp: 56°C
And then seconds later, the CPU Temp dropped to 49°C and stayed at 49-50°C.
But Battery Temp was decreasing slowly from 42°C to 38°C in about 5 minutes.
Now the reason for the fast CPU Temp drop is that when the CPU is busy, there is so much electricity running through it, it generates heat. But when the CPU is practically resting, the electricity running through it is much less, hence, the Temp drop, which is normal. And also, if you're using a kernel that supports turning off the 3 other CPUs when not in heavy use, then it's better because the less CPU cores active, the less heat.
So the main thing you should be scared of is the Battery Temp... But don't be, because Android is smart:
Android has a built in overheating system which does certain steps to avoid hardware heating damage, if the phone overheats, it takes some steps:
1- If charging, it stops charging to reduce Battery Temp.
2- Reduces CPU speed automatically to make less electrical current run through the CPU, thus reducing CPU Temp.
3- If both of the above failed to get out of the overheat situation, it shuts down the phone.
So if you were playing a big game, and the phone heats up... keep playing that game, android will take care of the rest
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But the question still remains: if I'm charging the phone using the wall charger, and I put it on the wireless charger, will it blow up?
Well, yeah. This is what we have been trying to say since the Nexus 4 came on the market.
Riro Zizo said:
Hi,
Soon to be RC here
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Good luck with that!
abaaaabbbb63 said:
Good luck with that!
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Thanks mate, actually I've been trying to be an RC since last summer... hopefully this time I'll acheive my goal, it's been a year.
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i like what you wrote, except for one thing..
"So if you were playing a big game, and the phone overheats... keep playing that game, android will take care of the rest"
the use of the word overheats. its not overheating. its heating up with use, which is the normal way things work. by using overheating, you make it still sound like an issue.
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i like what you wrote, except for one thing..
"So if you were playing a big game, and the phone overheats... keep playing that game, android will take care of the rest"
the use of the word overheats. its not overheating. its heating up with use, which is the normal way things work. by using overheating, you make it still sound like an issue.
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Good topic and solid explenations.
But, Do you think theres a chance the glass back will crack if the phone is at its hottest point(right before it shuts down itself)?
Because I remember that I've read these horror stories before I bought the N4, don't really know if its bad luck or not.
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Good topic and solid explenations.
But, Do you think theres a chance the glass back will crack if the phone is at its hottest point(right before it shuts down itself)?
Because I remember that I've read these horror stories before I bought the N4, don't really know if its bad luck or not.
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if you drop it in cold water, or stick it into a good freezer at that point, then yes. otherwise, probably not unless it get cooled down extremely fast.
failly said:
Good topic and solid explenations.
But, Do you think theres a chance the glass back will crack if the phone is at its hottest point(right before it shuts down itself)?
Because I remember that I've read these horror stories before I bought the N4, don't really know if its bad luck or not.
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Glass doesn't break/crack because of heat, glass breaks because of the fast temperature variation... in this case 2-4°C max is the variation, so no
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if you drop it in cold water, or stick it into a good freezer at that point, then yes. otherwise, probably not unless it get cooled down extremely fast.
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you beat me by 3 minutes
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simms22 said:
if you drop it in cold water, or stick it into a good freezer at that point, then yes. otherwise, probably not unless it get cooled down extremely fast.
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Glass doesn't break/crack because of heat, glass breaks because of the fast temperature variation... in this case 2-4°C max is the variation, so no
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Thats true, thanks for clearing it up!
Also android itself doesn't have anything built into it for thermals.
That is done by either a file like thermald or on a hardware level.
It's like saying windows controls the cooling on your pc.
A device example would be the rlod. Lower level stuff. Android isn't even loaded.
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Also android itself doesn't have anything built into it for thermals.
That is done by either a file like thermald or on a hardware level.
It's like saying windows controls the cooling on your pc.
A device example would be the rlod. Lower level stuff. Android isn't even loaded.
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you're right, it's not "coded" into android... but so far every android build i've seen has that security system.
but that's not the point, the point of this thread is to stop N4 users from posting "overheating issue" posts, and not worry anymore.
I hear ya. But I am going to rain on your parade. It will never stop.
At best ( which I doubt) they are children that simply don't know much.
But the truth is they are plenty of fools and it will never stop. The level of stupidity I have seen related to this discussion is appalling.
Only way it will stop if it becomes taboo. One thread in general and any new threads about it get closed down and deleted.
Actually it is android that controls temperature throttling. Or to be more precise the android kernel. Which reads the thermald file for it's Max CPU temperature.
There are also hardware cut offs 100°Cpu and 60° battery which will power off the phone.
These temperatures are what I consider overheated. Anything below or throttling is to prevent your device from overheating
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I have had atrix about a week now and I have been having some extreme overheating issues. After about 15 minutes of watching a youtube video, according to temp monitor lite, my cpu temperature rose to about 55 degrees celsius. Is this nnormal? Or should I as for a replacement?
Thanks.
There us several threads about this....
And its normal idk why.
Mine its at 55 or more and battery get like 43+
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I'm wondering, why do you say 55C is overheating?
That's very hot for a hand held device in my eyes. A pc its not so bad, but still that's hot!
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That's very hot for a hand held device in my eyes. A pc its not so bad, but still that's hot!
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Yes, it's hot, but apparently it's normal. Scares me when it gets that hot, but I haven't heard of anything really bad happening to anyone or their phones.
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Are you people saying its normal .. as in a lot of people are experiencing this?
Or
saying its normal as per Motorola saying its normal?
If its the first option, I would hardly think that is safe. Ever think its a device wide ISSUE? Unless Motorola say that the device has no issue running at those temperatures, then I would really doubt it is normal.
Do you think this phone has some sort of unseen substance in it that prevents it from being damaged at this kind of temperaturewhich no other smartphone has? There is no extra protection for the sim or memory card. Which obivously are not meant to deal with excessive heat
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If the phone had active cooling for the processor (like a fan, hahaha.) and it still "overheated" then that would be an issue, otherwise you're looking at a 1GHz phone with twice the cores of any previous phone at the same clock speed. What are you really expecting?
I dont agree that its normal for the phone to get hot regularly, i definitely wouldn't put up with "crazy overheating". And I dont use my Atrix moderately either, I'm constantly on it. TiBU tells me I have 417 system/user apps as an example of my extreme use. There are a couple other threads on this subject, op you should search them out. WatchDog will monitor your apps and let you know if any are misbehaving.
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Are you people saying its normal .. as in a lot of people are experiencing this?
Or
saying its normal as per Motorola saying its normal?
If its the first option, I would hardly think that is safe. Ever think its a device wide ISSUE? Unless Motorola say that the device has no issue running at those temperatures, then I would really doubt it is normal.
Do you think this phone has some sort of unseen substance in it that prevents it from being damaged at this kind of temperaturewhich no other smartphone has? There is no extra protection for the sim or memory card. Which obivously are not meant to deal with excessive heat
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From Motorola:
"It is possible phones will become warmer during heavy use. This is normal behavior especially if you are transmitting data, talking for an extended period of time, or playing games or music on the device. In these conditions, the phone is transmitting and utilizing alot of power on the device which will generate heat.
Motorola phones manufactured in 2009 or later have a "cool down mode" function. This feature is designed to protect the battery and circuit board. If the internal temperature of the phone exceeds 136 degrees Fahrenheit, the device will shutdown all functions except emergency calls. When this happens it will display a cool down mode message. Once overheated, a phone will not regain full functionality until the internal temperature drops below 136 degrees Fahrenheit. Ensure you are not leaving the phone in locked cars, in direct sunlight, on warm or hot items such as heaters or radiators, or any location that produces heat that will heat up the phone."
If it gets hot while charging the battery, and doing nothing else, there is a problem.
Now, please don't give up your day job, because being a smartass isn't working for you! Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya on yer way out!
My phone has never been over 105 degrees Fahrenheit and that was only because I was trapped inside a black car for 30 minutes with the AC turned off and it being 95 degrees out :?/
I loled.
How hot is 55c?
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How hot is 55c?
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My phone got to 140drgrees in the car dock
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Dude its a dual core phone hello its gonna get hot its not a little girls phone this is the big boss this thing cranks out alot of power HELLO just look at the battery what do u you expect
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From Motorola:
"It is possible phones will become warmer during heavy use. This is normal behavior especially if you are transmitting data, talking for an extended period of time, or playing games or music on the device. In these conditions, the phone is transmitting and utilizing alot of power on the device which will generate heat.
Motorola phones manufactured in 2009 or later have a "cool down mode" function. This feature is designed to protect the battery and circuit board. If the internal temperature of the phone exceeds 136 degrees Fahrenheit, the device will shutdown all functions except emergency calls. When this happens it will display a cool down mode message. Once overheated, a phone will not regain full functionality until the internal temperature drops below 136 degrees Fahrenheit. Ensure you are not leaving the phone in locked cars, in direct sunlight, on warm or hot items such as heaters or radiators, or any location that produces heat that will heat up the phone."
If it gets hot while charging the battery, and doing nothing else, there is a problem.
Now, please don't give up your day job, because being a smartass isn't working for you! Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya on yer way out!
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Ok .. you showed a critical threshold of the phone. Do you think pushing the phone to excessive heats but staying below that threshold is good for the phone? Notice that it doesn't mention how SIM cards and memory cards will continue to respond when being exposed to excessive heat with no ventilation or circulation ..in fact your quote clearly says that feature is for the bAttery and circuit board
Bottom line..
you can push your phone to 130 degrees (since that's below your shutdown threshold ) and I will spread out my usage and keep my temperature down to a minimum ... and my phone WILL last longer than yours and I WILL have less issues with it.
Highest my battery has ever got is 48c
highest my processor has ever been is 63c
was the phone hot? probably.
processor normally sits at about 45-50 in my cardock as per what setcpu says
battery sits between 40 and 45 in the car dock.
Watching a movie in the car dock whilst my kid was in the car setcpu says it hits anywhere between 55 and 60.
It leads me to believe that the max operating temperature for the CPU is right at about 65c, and teh battery right about 55c.
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Ok .. you showed a critical threshold of the phone. Do you think pushing the phone to excessive heats but staying below that threshold is good for the phone? Notice that it doesn't mention how SIM cards and memory cards will continue to respond when being exposed to excessive heat with no ventilation or circulation ..in fact your quote clearly says that feature is for the bAttery and circuit board
Bottom line..
you can push your phone to 130 degrees (since that's below your shutdown threshold ) and I will spread out my usage and keep my temperature down to a minimum ... and my phone WILL last longer than yours and I WILL have less issues with it.
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So you are basically talking about the SIM card and memory card on all phones which are going to come out with dual core and no active cooling, cos they are all going to get hot. What Motorola has stated is what any manufacturer would and does. They have given us their safe operating threshold. Now, 136 degrees is a lot, but how much of this heat affects your SIM card and SDCard? I don't know, and you have provided absolutely nothing to substantiate your personal claims. Bigger doorknob needed I guess!
I simply responded to the OP telling them it's normal for this phone to get hot. If you want to continue down this avenue we can, but until you have something from a SIM card manufacturer and SDCard manufacturer substantiating you claims, I'm done.
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How hot is 55c?
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you know, there is this awesome service called google that is good for finding answers. in fact you can enter something like "55C to F" and get the conversion.
here, lets show you how it works
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=55C+to+F
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So you are basically talking about the SIM card and memory card on all phones which are going to come out with dual core and no active cooling, cos they are all going to get hot. What Motorola has stated is what any manufacturer would and does. They have given us their safe operating threshold. Now, 136 degrees is a lot, but how much of this heat affects your SIM card and SDCard? I don't know, and you have provided absolutely nothing to substantiate your personal claims. Bigger doorknob needed I guess!
I simply responded to the OP telling them it's normal for this phone to get hot. If you want to continue down this avenue we can, but until you have something from a SIM card manufacturer and SDCard manufacturer substantiating you claims, I'm done.
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Considering the memory card and SIM card are not far from the battery and are trapped under a cover... a lot of the heat would be affecting them as well. When did I say anything about dual core at all? I don't think I even typed those words out.
Point is that I don't know if most of these people are even doing enough tasks on their phones to even get TWO cores aggitated enough to put out that kind of heat. All of my other smart phones were pushed much more than this and have remained pretty cool to the touch. Even one with a metal battery cover.
I was more replying to the many posts across the ner and people I know that have the Atrix heat up too much and for too long.
As far as OP goes..
"I have had atrix about a week now and I have been having some extreme overheating issues. After about 15 minutes of watching a youtube video, according to temp monitor lite, my cpu temperature rose to about 55 degrees celsius. Is this nnormal? Or should I as for a replacement?
Thanks."
When you're streaming video the heat will increase, but make sure you dont let it stay hot for increased periods of time. You dont need to request a replacement unless you are experiencing excessive heat frequently.
Also, when streaming - try not to have GPS and other things like that running in the background.
When gaming, it gets so hot that it makes me think "this should definitely not be this hot", I would categorize it as "an unusual amount of heat". It makes me afraid I'm going to melt something on the inside haha so I give it a break. I know it's hard to describe temperature over the internet but is yours getting uncomfortably hot?
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Mine sometimes gets on the warm side, but the Nexus 10 has safeguards to prevent "dangerous" temps (your CPU clock will downclock in increments of 100MHz until the CPU gets cooler, and then spike back up to 1.7GHz; lowest I've seen it go was 800MHz).
Download Cooltool at play store and set up what you want to show as a floating widget. This is how I monitor my cpu, batt temp, ram, wifi strength etc. This way you can be more accurate in determining wether your device is too hot and if you should be worried.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ds.cpuoverlay
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Download Cooltool at play store and set up what you want to show as a floating widget. This is how I monitor my cpu, batt temp, ram, wifi strength etc. This way you can be more accurate in determining wether your device is too hot and if you should be worried.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ds.cpuoverlay
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Hey thanks a lot for that! but uhh how hot is too hot for the battery?
Mine gets really damn hot as well near the removable cover. I really pondered removing the cover and back and seeing if I can make vents in the back, with a screen, then I can remove that removable cover while gaming. It's most noticeable during Need for Speed most wanted.
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Mine gets really damn hot as well near the removable cover. I really pondered removing the cover and back and seeing if I can make vents in the back, with a screen, then I can remove that removable cover while gaming. It's most noticeable during Need for Speed most wanted.
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It doesn't really bother me, per say, but I'm just worried that its going to mess it up, but at any rate good to know it's "normal"
Normal: 70 d F
TOO HOT: 95 d F
Mine does that too. I have noticed that the case is starting to warp where the heat is most concentrated... Just to the left side by the power button. Between the power button and the camera. Almost like some glue came off and the casing is separating...
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That's not good
I was using mines for google talk video chat and it got really hot. I checked the temps and it was at 91F.
Ok I did a test again and it went up to 105F. All this just by video chatting. Thats not normal!
Mines getting hot too just an hour of browsing the web and its extremely warm.
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Ok I did a test again and it went up to 105F. All this just by video chatting. Thats not normal!
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Why do you think that? It's perfectly normal for a chipset like this.
Its not just the top part thats hot like it should be. By holding it with my hands on the side you can feel the heat.
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Its not just the top part thats hot like it should be. By holding it with my hands on the side you can feel the heat.
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If you blast through the battery in a few hours with 3D gaming or the like the battery will get warm, too (40-50°C).
it was only like 20 minutes. I'm not saying the device getting warm isnt normal. I know that it is. However the first device i had did not get as hot as this.
The N10 is thin and very powerful so heat might be more noticeable. As long as it's "only" getting warm and not slowing down/stuttering in this state, there's nothing to worry about.
lol thats kinda the problem. the video keeps stuttering and freezing and so does the game....
everyone should be undervolting the nexus 10
this device can't even run at stock speeds for extended lengths of time without throttling due to high temperature...
it's easy to test, just run StabilityTest (search google play) and run the Classic Test... you'll eventually see your CPU throttle down from 1700MHz (mine goes down to 1400MHz every so often... i'd probably go down even more if i hadn't undervolted it)
therefore, undervolting it will help it run at stock speeds for longer
I noticed mine heating up for the first time. Don't play many games at the moment. Heated up quite a bit between camera and buttons just like others have mentioned. I was playing ingress when I first noticed. Also when I was just using browser to the ingress/Intel page. I was thinking it had to do with GPS but after reading other comments I guess CPU was working hard refreshing page.
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After having my phone for around a month, I (yesterday) decided to flip the switch and flashed myself cm10.1 and the latest franco kernel. Just now, I reached to pick up my phone (after letting it idle for around an hour and a half in my pocket), and burned my fingers. The thing is running at 46.5c when the highest it used to get for me was maybe 40-42 (watching a movie, or charging).
What do you guys think the cause is, and my best way for fixing (I dont want to go back to stock, but I will if I have to).
Thanks,
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After having my phone for around a month, I (yesterday) decided to flip the switch and flashed myself cm10.1 and the latest franco kernel. Just now, I reached to pick up my phone (after letting it idle for around an hour and a half in my pocket), and burned my fingers. The thing is running at 46.5c when the highest it used to get for me was maybe 40-42 (watching a movie, or charging).
What do you guys think the cause is, and my best way for fixing (I dont want to go back to stock, but I will if I have to).
Thanks,
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your device isnt overheating nor did it burn your fingers. human body temp is 37C, and it was sitting in your pocket at that temp, insulated, keeping warm. 46.5C will not burn you, ever. it could feel warm because the heat is escaping from the glass back to cool off. thats what its supposed to do. you have a quad core device, it WILL get warm.
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your device isnt overheating nor did it burn your fingers. human body temp is 37C, and it was sitting in your pocket at that temp, insulated, keeping warm. 46.5C will not burn you, ever. it could feel warm because the heat is escaping from the glass back to cool off. thats what its supposed to do. you have a quad core device, it WILL get warm.
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I have a Sony Xperia e.. it gets overheated while charging.. I don't know why???
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I have a Sony Xperia e.. it gets overheated while charging.. I don't know why???
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is this a serious statement or sarcasm? lol.
while charging the battery can get hot, and the device can get really warm, especially if its being used at the slightest bit. besides, what is overheated, i mean what temp does it reach, battery and cpu?
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is this a serious statement or sarcasm? lol.
while charging the battery can get hot, and the device can get really warm, especially if its being used at the slightest bit. besides, what is overheated, i mean what temp does it reach, battery and cpu?
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my phone is currently charging and I'm posting this via phone.. so this is in no way sarcasm . it's showing battery temperature as 39 degree Celsius ( checked through *#*#4636#*#*) .. my fingers can feel the heat while I type this... though the heat is not too high but it's not negligible also.
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my phone is currently charging and I'm posting this via phone.. so this is in no way sarcasm . it's showing battery temperature as 39 degree Celsius ( checked through *#*#4636#*#*) .. my fingers can feel the heat while I type this... though the heat is not too high but it's not negligible also.
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think about this.. your body is 37C. 39C is a bump warmer. since your fingers are extremeties, they will be slightly cooler than the rest of your body. since they are a little cooler, your phone will feel warmer. but in reality, your battery temp is just normal, even relatively cool for being on the charger and being used.
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your device isnt overheating nor did it burn your fingers. human body temp is 37C, and it was sitting in your pocket at that temp, insulated, keeping warm. 46.5C will not burn you, ever. it could feel warm because the heat is escaping from the glass back to cool off. thats what its supposed to do. you have a quad core device, it WILL get warm.
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Okay, I didn't mean literally 'burn', you're right. My point was that I picked it up and was shocked (figuratively ) by how hot it was.
Again, for the last entire month my phone (on stock) has never reached near this temperature before, even when It was actively running.
[Oh and jacket pocket, it wasnt on me. My point was that it was in a cool, dry, place not charging, and I wasnt using it].
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Okay, I didn't mean literally 'burn', you're right. My point was that I picked it up and was shocked (figuratively ) by how hot it was.
Again, for the last entire month my phone (on stock) has never reached near this temperature before, even when It was actively running.
[Oh and jacket pocket, it wasnt on me. My point was that it was in a cool, dry, place not charging, and I wasnt using it].
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its still a normal temp. tell me, since its spring, has it gotten warmer in your area this past month?
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think about this.. your body is 37C. 39C is a bump warmer. since your fingers are extremeties, they will be slightly cooler than the rest of your body. since they are a little cooler, your phone will feel warmer. but in reality, your battery temp is just normal, even relatively cool for being on the charger and being used.
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fine but whatever it is its rather annoying.. my other phones doesn't get overheated as this does.. anyways thanks for reply
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its still a normal temp. tell me, since its spring, has it gotten warmer in your area this past month?
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Okay, so saying that makes me stop worrying its going to blow up (happened to my friend's moto milestone back in the day), but it's still a new occurrence to me, which cooincidentally happened right after a changed both my rom and my kernel from stock.
The office aircon is a breezy 24c no matter what day it is .
I was leaning more towards this questions, that I gathered from when i glossed over the two respective threads, but dont understand well enough to decide or check if they're relevant:
-could it be that the rom or the kernel overclocked my phone and thats why its running hotter?
-maybe theres a wake-lock (or partial lock or whatever its called), that had my phone on though it was being left alone?
-did the kernel mess with the radio so now it keeps jumping signals?
-was there an option for 'testicular irradiation' that I accidentally enabled?
Not even sure if these are the right questions to be asking. Definitely not sure what to do about it even if they are...
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Okay, so saying that makes me stop worrying its going to blow up (happened to my friend's moto milestone back in the day), but it's still a new occurrence to me, which cooincidentally happened right after a changed both my rom and my kernel from stock.
The office aircon is a breezy 24c no matter what day it is .
I was leaning more towards this questions, that I gathered from when i glossed over the two respective threads, but dont understand well enough to decide or check if they're relevant:
-could it be that the rom or the kernel overclocked my phone and thats why its running hotter?
-maybe theres a wake-lock (or partial lock or whatever its called), that had my phone on though it was being left alone?
-did the kernel mess with the radio so now it keeps jumping signals?
-was there an option for 'testicular irradiation' that I accidentally enabled?
Not even sure if these are the right questions to be asking. Definitely not sure what to do about it even if they are...
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there could be 1000s of reasons that your device is running a little warmer today, really. it could all just be random too. as long as the battery stays below 55-60C(60C is the battery temp safety shutdown) and the cpu below 80C(95-100C is the cpu safety shutdown). you wont see those high battery or cpu temps unless your really pushing your device(cpu) or watching flash movies/playing intensive games while plugged in(battery). there are safety protocols set in your phone in case it really does overheat.
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-was there an option for 'testicular irradiation' that I accidentally enabled?
Not even sure if these are the right questions to be asking. Definitely not sure what to do about it even if they are...
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LMAO.
Simms give it up. Every phone I've had since single core phones hit 1 ghz have all gotten really warm
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After having my phone for around a month, I (yesterday) decided to flip the switch and flashed myself cm10.1 and the latest franco kernel. Just now, I reached to pick up my phone (after letting it idle for around an hour and a half in my pocket), and burned my fingers. The thing is running at 46.5c when the highest it used to get for me was maybe 40-42 (watching a movie, or charging).
What do you guys think the cause is, and my best way for fixing (I dont want to go back to stock, but I will if I have to).
Thanks,
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mine was also same it quickly reaches above +45c though CUP can handle 100c or battery can handle 60c but i can't hold it in my hand i feel so uncomfortable so planing to put cover on it :fingers-crossed:
There are some screen shot how quickly it get hot with just 5min of facebook. one thing i have under-volt it to 687.5mv.
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mine was also same it quickly reaches above +45c though CUP can handle 100c or battery can handle 60c but i can't hold it in my hand i feel so uncomfortable so planing to put cover on it :fingers-crossed:
There are some screen shot how quickly it get hot with just 5min of facebook. one thing i have under-volt it to 687.5mv.
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if you put it in a case itll get a lot warmer because heat cant escape.
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if you put it in a case itll get a lot warmer because heat cant escape.
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Yes that's why I haven't put it yet. But I just flash rosbenjelly heating just wipe out .I am looking for it for long time and finally I got it so nexus 4 heating flash rosbenjelly is solution.
GS150R said:
Yes that's why I haven't put it yet. But I just flash rosbenjelly heating just wipe out .I am looking for it for long time and finally I got it so nexus 4 heating flash rosbenjelly is solution.
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good boy
niw we just got to get you to flash trinity kernel with it :angel:
So you think that trinity kernel which runs at higher clock speeds runs cooler than Franco which runs at stock CPU speeds? Mmmkay. Sure.
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So you think that trinity kernel which runs at higher clock speeds runs cooler than Franco which runs at stock CPU speeds? Mmmkay. Sure.
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um, you run it at whatever speed you want. default, it boots up at 1026mhz, with all 4 core set as minimum, and thats recent. before that, it booted up 1458mhz hotplugging, which is still slightly underclocked. just because you have a choice of raising the cpu speed to 1836mhz, doesnt mean that is the kernel default. you should learn about what youre talking about first, before you say something silly.
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niw we just got to get you to flash trinity kernel with it :angel:
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Yes I did it and it's cool can we add pie control as in PA 3.15 by removing navigation bar shortcut and status bar.
Hello, I've got my Nexus 4 from this Monday but only yesterday I noticed that it warms up a little too much.
Today I tried a "Classic Stability Test" to see how much the CPU and the battery warms up and after 7-8 minutes... The phone was like lava! Battery was at 50,7 c° and the CPU at 84 c°!
With games like GTA Vice City I got like 46 Battery and 64 CPU, and this should be normal, right?
P.S. I live in Sardinia, 30 Degrees today...
lol well.... is running stability test part of your everyday routine, and something you require to be able to do with your phone? thats like putting a brick on your gas pedal with the car in neutral and getting a little bit worried that the engine temp is rising.
on a more serious note, 64* is fine, more than fine for every day use. games like gta will probably stress your phone as much as anything youd do on a regular basis, even nova 3. mainly because gta optimization sucks, so it still strains your cpu as much as games with better graphics. 84* is getting up there, but lg didnt add a thermal shutdown limit just for the hell of it. you havent hit it, so you havent damaged anything.
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lol well.... is running stability test part of your everyday routine, and something you require to be able to do with your phone? thats like putting a brick on your gas pedal with the car in neutral and getting a little bit worried that the engine temp is rising.
on a more serious note, 64* is fine, more than fine for every day use. games like gta will probably stress your phone as much as anything youd do on a regular basis, even nova 3. mainly because gta optimization sucks, so it still strains your cpu as much as games with better graphics. 84* is getting up there, but lg didnt add a thermal shutdown limit just for the hell of it. you havent hit it, so you havent damaged anything.
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Ok, I know that, but that reassures me, thanks
BTW, for the battery the limit is like 60, right? So It should be okay, no?
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Ok, I know that, but that reassures me, thanks
BTW, for the battery the limit is like 60, right? So It should be okay, no?
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In all honesty, I have no idea what the limit is for the battery, I don't even care about this "too hot" nonsense, you should have seen the amount of threads we had on here a few months ago. I do know that 80* is pretty warm for the CPU, but still pretty far from even beginning to damage anything. The thermal shutdown for the CPU is 100*.I don't worry about battery temps, I've left my phones in my car on a hot summer day and it pretty much burned me when I picked it up.... everything was fine. Is that kind of stuff good for it? no. If someone snuck in my car, and brought it into my house and it was completely cooled before I touched it, could I notice that something was funky with my battery? hell no, any difference from any kind of battery abuse on any of my phones has been completely in-perceivable.
Brand new nexus 4 batteries on ebay are really easy to find. And cheap (all things considered). At 40$ a pop, I'll pay that a year and a half later than letting some kind of OCD drive me insane lol, To add fuel to this overheating scare everyone has, I've had my thermal throttle completely disabled since I got my phone, 6 months ago.
Electronics have ALWAYS produced heat, that's how they work. But now, having a quad core 1.5ghz processor in your pocket, that isn't even air cooled, you WILL feel the temperature. That doesn't mean anything is wrong. I dare you to open up your computer right now, flip it off, pull off the heatsink and touch the processor. You will get burned. But that's how it runs, and you never would have known if you didn't feel the heat coming through the case or touched it for yourself.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, your good and in the clear... long ways to go before you cause damage lol
edit: looks like batteries are closer to 20$ now, they used to be around 40$
edit2: fixed some wording, I sounded a bit like a douche
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In all honesty, I have no idea what the limit is for the battery, I don't even care about this "too hot" nonsense, you should have seen the amount of threads we had on here a few months ago. I do know that 80* is pretty warm for the CPU, but still pretty far from even beginning to damage anything. The thermal shutdown for the CPU is 100*.I don't worry about battery temps, I've left my phones in my car on a hot summer day and it pretty much burned me when I picked it up.... everything was fine. Is that kind of stuff good for it? no. If someone snuck in my car, and brought it into my house and it was completely cooled before I touched it, could I notice that something was funky with my battery? hell no, any difference from any kind of battery abuse on any of my phones has been completely in-perceivable.
I also know that I found brand new nexus 4 batteries on ebay in about .5 sec, they are easy to find. And cheap (all things considered). At 40$ a pop, I'll pay that a year and a half later than letting some kind of OCD drive me insane lol, To add fuel to this overheating scare everyone has, I've had my thermal throttle completely disabled since I got my phone, 6 months ago.
Electronics have ALWAYS produced heat, that's how they work. But now, having a quad core 1.5ghz processor in your pocket, that isn't ever air cooled, you WILL feel the temperature. That doesn't mean anything is wrong. I dare you to open up your computer right now, flip it off, pull off the heatsink and touch the processor. You will get burned. But that's how it runs, and you never would have known if you didn't feel the heat coming through the case or touched it for yourself.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, your good and in the clear... long ways to go before you cause damage lol
edit: looks like batteries are closer to 20$ now, they used to be around 40$
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Thanks for the answer, thanks!
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Thanks for the answer, thanks!
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no problem:good:
im glad i dodnt have to reply to this, that someone else answered, lol! but seriously, if the phone overheats, battery or cpu, the phone will turn itself off as a safety, to cool off. anything below the safety temps isnt overheated. when things get pushed, itll heat up, thats jusy how things work. and if the surrounding air temp is warmer, the phone will heat up quicker and warmer.
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im glad i dodnt have to reply to this, that someone else answered, lol! but seriously, if the phone overheats, battery or cpu, the phone will turn itself off as a safety, to cool off. anything below the safety temps isnt overheated. when things get pushed, itll heat up, thats jusy how things work. and if the surrounding air temp is warmer, the phone will heat up quicker and warmer.
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I know, but I was a little scared by this...
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I know, but I was a little scared by this...
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dont be. there is a lot of misinformed people out there, that just dont know, that publish blogs and posts that end up scaring people for no reason. the thing with the n4 is the "being able to feel the heat", thats what freaks out many. its all because of the glass. my other devices(galaxy nexus and nexus 7) get much warmer than my n4, but you cant feel the heat because of the plastic backs.
Sorry again but this is what i obtained after 20 minutes of Vice City.
OK, Maybe it's the game bad programmed but this can't be "normal".
I've 15 days for ask for a new one, star should i do?
P.s. I just coocked the CPU of my PC like 1 year ago, it works but it got some damages. I really don't want to burn anything else
(Sorry for my bad english)
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Sorry again but this is what i obtained after 20 minutes of Vice City.
OK, Maybe it's the game bad programmed but this can't be "normal".
I've 15 days for ask for a new one, star should i do?
P.s. I just coocked the CPU of my ar ago, it works but it got some damages. I really don't want to burn anything else
(Sorry for my bad english)
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its hot, but could be normal, especially while playing cpu and gpu intensive games. i play lots on my n7, and i can reach 85C easily when gaming. so its not out of reason. the safety is 100C for cpu, when the device shuts itself down to cool off. out of curiousity, were you plugged in?
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its hot, but could be normal, especially while playing cpu and gpu intensive games. i play lots on my n7, and i can reach 85C easily when gaming. so its not out of reason. the safety is 100C for cpu, when the device shuts itself down to cool off. out of curiousity, were you plugged in?
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No, it wasn't plugged in...
EDIT: I want to ask another thing... For N4, how much degrees needs for "overheat"?
(sorry for bad english)
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No, it wasn't plugged in...
EDIT: I want to ask another thing... For N4, how much degrees needs for "overheat"?
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the overheating temp for battery is over 60C and cpu is more than 100C.Funny my N4 can rungta vice city just fine.i played it for 15 or 20 minutes and the temp was 48C but idk the cpu temp
hope it helps
Ok, I searched the forum about this topic and didn't really find anything answering my questions. I'm currently coming from a Droid RAZR and it ran hot to say the least. I can't get a straight answer on this phone's operating temperatures and I'm trying to determine whether to put a thick case on or not(with almost no bezel, I'm paranoid it will break on first drop). From what I've read, about 60% of people aren't reporting very much heat. The other 40% say there is a huge problem and most have had to replace their phones thinking it was a defect.
When it came to my RAZR, at rest with a case on, battery temperature would sit at just under 87 F. Under heavy use, I've hit over 124 F. Without a case, 83 F, the highest I've hit is just under 117 F. Extremely significant when you can't remove the battery and swap it out. I believe that it led to it's premature failure. I want to avoid that with this phone.
Is anybody keeping track of their phone and battery temperatures?
What apps and/or widgits do you use?
What is the normal at rest temperature?
What is the heavy use temperature?
Thanks everyone. My phone gets here in a few days and I want to be ready with a case.
I don't keep track of it. However this phone does get really hot (uncomfortable to hold) when playing games. With Tpu cases this was less noticeable. But lately I installed skinomi stickers for back protector, and it always bother me when it gets hot this way.
That being said, normal uses such as Internet, music, YouTube, xda, camera.... The phone only becomes slightly warm.
-LG G2
I keep wondering why no one makes cases that help dissipate heat, for how hot modern phones get! If anything, most cases insulate the phone and make them get even hotter!
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Ok, I searched the forum about this topic and didn't really find anything answering my questions. I'm currently coming from a Droid RAZR and it ran hot to say the least. I can't get a straight answer on this phone's operating temperatures and I'm trying to determine whether to put a thick case on or not(with almost no bezel, I'm paranoid it will break on first drop). From what I've read, about 60% of people aren't reporting very much heat. The other 40% say there is a huge problem and most have had to replace their phones thinking it was a defect.
When it came to my RAZR, at rest with a case on, battery temperature would sit at just under 87 F. Under heavy use, I've hit over 124 F. Without a case, 83 F, the highest I've hit is just under 117 F. Extremely significant when you can't remove the battery and swap it out. I believe that it led to it's premature failure. I want to avoid that with this phone.
Is anybody keeping track of their phone and battery temperatures?
What apps and/or widgits do you use?
What is the normal at rest temperature?
What is the heavy use temperature?
Thanks everyone. My phone gets here in a few days and I want to be ready with a case.
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Admittedly, I'm not a gamer but the only times I've felt the device get hot enough to register with the Incipio Feather case were: 1) after a wipe/flash, and all my apps were downloading again from the Play Store and 2) when wiping and the device was plugged into the wall charger (CPU temp was around 100 degrees) - other than these 2 instances, I've never felt heat thru my Feather case.
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I don't keep track of it. However this phone does get really hot (I'm looking for.comfortable to hold) when playing games. With Tpu cases this was less noticeable. But lately I installed skinomi stickers for back protector, and it always bother me when it gets hot this way.
That being said, normal uses such as Internet, music, YouTube, xda, camera.... The phone only becomes slightly warm.
-LG G2
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The case I had been using with the RAZR was a TPU hybrid. I also went to a skin because of the heat. I don't think I cando that with this phone. I'm too clumsy.
WhiteZero said:
I keep wondering why no one makes cases that help dissipate heat, for how hot modern phones get! If anything, most cases insulate the phone and make them get even hotter!
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Exactly why I'm concerned.
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Admittedly, I'm not a gamer but the only times I've felt the device get hot enough to register with the Incipio Feather case were: 1) after a wipe/flash, and all my apps were downloading again from the Play Store and 2) when wiping and the device was plugged into the wall charger (CPU temp was around 100 degrees) - other than these 2 instances, I've never felt heat thru my Feather case.
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I was actually looking at getting the dual pro. Thanks for the feedback. Exactly the type I'm looking for.
Honestly i just replaced my phone due to overheating issues. It would literally shut down or restart just running the camera for too long. After reading some other reports in the forums I decided to send it in and get a replacement. My new one came in yesterday and absolutely no overheating issues. Even can run antutu without a reboot (my other G2 would reboot about 14% in). So from my experience there was a batch that had some thermal issues... I got mine the first day it came out. Loving this second one
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Honestly i just replaced my phone due to overheating issues. It would literally shut down or restart just running the camera for too long. After reading some other reports in the forums I decided to send it in and get a replacement. My new one came in yesterday and absolutely no overheating issues. Even can run antutu without a reboot (my other G2 would reboot about 14% in). So from my experience there was a batch that had some thermal issues... I got mine the first day it came out. Loving this second one
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Does anybody know if we can track manufacture/release date using the serial numbers?
I am using this case full time: http://goo.gl/0u05G5
I use Battery and CPU-Z to check battery temps. Even with over an hour of straight gaming, I have yet to see it get above 98F. I constanty run the screen at 80% brightness as well, as that can be a contributing factor. The games I have played this long with are Riptide GP and Madden 25.
You really cant feel any heat through this case, and hand temps are too subjective anyway.
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yeah, especially while gaming.. and it's not the battery drain that concerns me, the heat is ridiculous for long term gaming..
and slapping a case would be good for your hand but not for your phone
plus there's not one manufacturer that make cases for heavy gaming yet..
i wonder what the case would look like if it was made for dissapating heat.. probably has a lot of thermal pipelines built in that would be awesome..
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I am using this case full time: http://goo.gl/0u05G5
I use Battery and CPU-Z to check battery temps. Even with over an hour of straight gaming, I have yet to see it get above 98F. I constanty run the screen at 80% brightness as well, as that can be a contributing factor. The games I have played this long with are Riptide GP and Madden 25.
You really cant feel any heat through this case, and hand temps are too subjective anyway.
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One thing I've noticed from people's screenshots is that the screen doesn't use that much battery. My RAZR would sometimes draw 46%. I'm sure that also contributed to the heat. smh.
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yeah, especially while gaming.. and it's not the battery drain that concerns me, the heat is ridiculous for long term gaming..
and slapping a case would be good for your hand but not for your phone
plus there's not one manufacturer that make cases for heavy gaming yet..
i wonder what the case would look like if it was made for dissapating heat.. probably has a lot of thermal pipelines built in that would be awesome..
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lol, I've actually thought about making a case like that, then I realized if there was a way to burn myself, I'd find it.
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I keep wondering why no one makes cases that help dissipate heat, for how hot modern phones get! If anything, most cases insulate the phone and make them get even hotter!
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I'm currently in the design step of a case that uses tubing to disperse heat at the top corners of the phone to cool it down and keep heat away from the hand.
If you'd like to give input shoot me a pm and we can discuss it further.
OnT: I very rarely pass 24c on mine, then again I never game on my phone either. Highest I've hit was 42c during some testing.
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Are you guys talking about battery temps or cpu temps?
Get the app CpuTemp from play store, it overlays cpu temp while you're doing whatever, enable only the top two options, enable overlay and start on boot.
Then get stability test app and run the first option at top, classic test.
Then report back here with your temp after you do the stress test for about 27 seconds. I hit 66c after 27 seconds.
Curious to see what everyone else hits.
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Are you guys talking about battery temps or cpu temps?
Get the app CpuTemp from play store, it overlays cpu temp while you're doing whatever, enable only the top two options, enable overlay and start on boot.
Then get stability test app and run the first option at top, classic test.
Then report back here with your temp after you do the stress test for about 27 seconds. I hit 66c after 27 seconds.
Curious to see what everyone else hits.
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Max temp i got is 60c
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my phone will sit around 40C idle and around 70C under heavy load.
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Is overheating an issue when wifi tethering? I want to use this thing for desktop PC games and downloads; does it overheat after hours and hours of intense wifi hotspot use?
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Is overheating an issue when wifi tethering? I want to use this thing for desktop PC games and downloads; does it overheat after hours and hours of intense wifi hotspot use?
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I have used it for a couple hours and it gets warm. Not warm enough for me to worry about checking the temperature.
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I have used it for a couple hours and it gets warm. Not warm enough for me to worry about checking the temperature.
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Thanks for your feedback. Would you say it was with heavy usage?
I have made the tests , and i get 72 °C after 1:20 secs running the standard test. About 35 °C in idle,and about 50-55 °C when i am using the phone for facebook,browser,youtube. Is this ok? (These are Cpu Temps).
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I have made the tests , and i get 72 °C after 1:20 secs running the standard test. About 35 °C in idle,and about 50-55 °C when i am using the phone for facebook,browser,youtube. Is this ok? (These are Cpu Temps).
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My G2 gets also around 55°C when using the phone normally (youtube, browser, etc.) and over 67-68°C while gaming. I think this is normal for a high frequency 4 cores CPU. Right?
Hey, I received my LG G2 yesterday and i've been experiencing cpu temperatures of:
42-48C being idle
52-59C during browsing, facebook, viber etc
62-64C when on youtube (after the first 5 seconds)
65C when on gps
As for the stress test after 1:20 and up to 20:00 it was around 72-74 C
The phone feels hot all the time though with no apparent reason.
Screen brightness is set to 30% all the time, 3g connection is off and I only keep Wi-fi on. I even tried turning off features like gestures, I don't know if it is of any relevance.
Of course I haven't trying gaming yet, since I'm not really interested in it, but I want my smartphone to be functional without burning up.
Should I return it and ask for a replacement? Or is it an issue with LG G2 or Snapdragon 800 generally? Will it be a waste of time?