I have had atrix about a week now and I have been having some extreme overheating issues. After about 15 minutes of watching a youtube video, according to temp monitor lite, my cpu temperature rose to about 55 degrees celsius. Is this nnormal? Or should I as for a replacement?
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There us several threads about this....
And its normal idk why.
Mine its at 55 or more and battery get like 43+
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I'm wondering, why do you say 55C is overheating?
That's very hot for a hand held device in my eyes. A pc its not so bad, but still that's hot!
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That's very hot for a hand held device in my eyes. A pc its not so bad, but still that's hot!
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Yes, it's hot, but apparently it's normal. Scares me when it gets that hot, but I haven't heard of anything really bad happening to anyone or their phones.
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Are you people saying its normal .. as in a lot of people are experiencing this?
Or
saying its normal as per Motorola saying its normal?
If its the first option, I would hardly think that is safe. Ever think its a device wide ISSUE? Unless Motorola say that the device has no issue running at those temperatures, then I would really doubt it is normal.
Do you think this phone has some sort of unseen substance in it that prevents it from being damaged at this kind of temperaturewhich no other smartphone has? There is no extra protection for the sim or memory card. Which obivously are not meant to deal with excessive heat
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If the phone had active cooling for the processor (like a fan, hahaha.) and it still "overheated" then that would be an issue, otherwise you're looking at a 1GHz phone with twice the cores of any previous phone at the same clock speed. What are you really expecting?
I dont agree that its normal for the phone to get hot regularly, i definitely wouldn't put up with "crazy overheating". And I dont use my Atrix moderately either, I'm constantly on it. TiBU tells me I have 417 system/user apps as an example of my extreme use. There are a couple other threads on this subject, op you should search them out. WatchDog will monitor your apps and let you know if any are misbehaving.
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Are you people saying its normal .. as in a lot of people are experiencing this?
Or
saying its normal as per Motorola saying its normal?
If its the first option, I would hardly think that is safe. Ever think its a device wide ISSUE? Unless Motorola say that the device has no issue running at those temperatures, then I would really doubt it is normal.
Do you think this phone has some sort of unseen substance in it that prevents it from being damaged at this kind of temperaturewhich no other smartphone has? There is no extra protection for the sim or memory card. Which obivously are not meant to deal with excessive heat
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From Motorola:
"It is possible phones will become warmer during heavy use. This is normal behavior especially if you are transmitting data, talking for an extended period of time, or playing games or music on the device. In these conditions, the phone is transmitting and utilizing alot of power on the device which will generate heat.
Motorola phones manufactured in 2009 or later have a "cool down mode" function. This feature is designed to protect the battery and circuit board. If the internal temperature of the phone exceeds 136 degrees Fahrenheit, the device will shutdown all functions except emergency calls. When this happens it will display a cool down mode message. Once overheated, a phone will not regain full functionality until the internal temperature drops below 136 degrees Fahrenheit. Ensure you are not leaving the phone in locked cars, in direct sunlight, on warm or hot items such as heaters or radiators, or any location that produces heat that will heat up the phone."
If it gets hot while charging the battery, and doing nothing else, there is a problem.
Now, please don't give up your day job, because being a smartass isn't working for you! Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya on yer way out!
My phone has never been over 105 degrees Fahrenheit and that was only because I was trapped inside a black car for 30 minutes with the AC turned off and it being 95 degrees out :?/
I loled.
How hot is 55c?
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How hot is 55c?
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My phone got to 140drgrees in the car dock
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Dude its a dual core phone hello its gonna get hot its not a little girls phone this is the big boss this thing cranks out alot of power HELLO just look at the battery what do u you expect
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From Motorola:
"It is possible phones will become warmer during heavy use. This is normal behavior especially if you are transmitting data, talking for an extended period of time, or playing games or music on the device. In these conditions, the phone is transmitting and utilizing alot of power on the device which will generate heat.
Motorola phones manufactured in 2009 or later have a "cool down mode" function. This feature is designed to protect the battery and circuit board. If the internal temperature of the phone exceeds 136 degrees Fahrenheit, the device will shutdown all functions except emergency calls. When this happens it will display a cool down mode message. Once overheated, a phone will not regain full functionality until the internal temperature drops below 136 degrees Fahrenheit. Ensure you are not leaving the phone in locked cars, in direct sunlight, on warm or hot items such as heaters or radiators, or any location that produces heat that will heat up the phone."
If it gets hot while charging the battery, and doing nothing else, there is a problem.
Now, please don't give up your day job, because being a smartass isn't working for you! Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya on yer way out!
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Ok .. you showed a critical threshold of the phone. Do you think pushing the phone to excessive heats but staying below that threshold is good for the phone? Notice that it doesn't mention how SIM cards and memory cards will continue to respond when being exposed to excessive heat with no ventilation or circulation ..in fact your quote clearly says that feature is for the bAttery and circuit board
Bottom line..
you can push your phone to 130 degrees (since that's below your shutdown threshold ) and I will spread out my usage and keep my temperature down to a minimum ... and my phone WILL last longer than yours and I WILL have less issues with it.
Highest my battery has ever got is 48c
highest my processor has ever been is 63c
was the phone hot? probably.
processor normally sits at about 45-50 in my cardock as per what setcpu says
battery sits between 40 and 45 in the car dock.
Watching a movie in the car dock whilst my kid was in the car setcpu says it hits anywhere between 55 and 60.
It leads me to believe that the max operating temperature for the CPU is right at about 65c, and teh battery right about 55c.
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Ok .. you showed a critical threshold of the phone. Do you think pushing the phone to excessive heats but staying below that threshold is good for the phone? Notice that it doesn't mention how SIM cards and memory cards will continue to respond when being exposed to excessive heat with no ventilation or circulation ..in fact your quote clearly says that feature is for the bAttery and circuit board
Bottom line..
you can push your phone to 130 degrees (since that's below your shutdown threshold ) and I will spread out my usage and keep my temperature down to a minimum ... and my phone WILL last longer than yours and I WILL have less issues with it.
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So you are basically talking about the SIM card and memory card on all phones which are going to come out with dual core and no active cooling, cos they are all going to get hot. What Motorola has stated is what any manufacturer would and does. They have given us their safe operating threshold. Now, 136 degrees is a lot, but how much of this heat affects your SIM card and SDCard? I don't know, and you have provided absolutely nothing to substantiate your personal claims. Bigger doorknob needed I guess!
I simply responded to the OP telling them it's normal for this phone to get hot. If you want to continue down this avenue we can, but until you have something from a SIM card manufacturer and SDCard manufacturer substantiating you claims, I'm done.
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How hot is 55c?
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you know, there is this awesome service called google that is good for finding answers. in fact you can enter something like "55C to F" and get the conversion.
here, lets show you how it works
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=55C+to+F
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So you are basically talking about the SIM card and memory card on all phones which are going to come out with dual core and no active cooling, cos they are all going to get hot. What Motorola has stated is what any manufacturer would and does. They have given us their safe operating threshold. Now, 136 degrees is a lot, but how much of this heat affects your SIM card and SDCard? I don't know, and you have provided absolutely nothing to substantiate your personal claims. Bigger doorknob needed I guess!
I simply responded to the OP telling them it's normal for this phone to get hot. If you want to continue down this avenue we can, but until you have something from a SIM card manufacturer and SDCard manufacturer substantiating you claims, I'm done.
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Considering the memory card and SIM card are not far from the battery and are trapped under a cover... a lot of the heat would be affecting them as well. When did I say anything about dual core at all? I don't think I even typed those words out.
Point is that I don't know if most of these people are even doing enough tasks on their phones to even get TWO cores aggitated enough to put out that kind of heat. All of my other smart phones were pushed much more than this and have remained pretty cool to the touch. Even one with a metal battery cover.
I was more replying to the many posts across the ner and people I know that have the Atrix heat up too much and for too long.
As far as OP goes..
"I have had atrix about a week now and I have been having some extreme overheating issues. After about 15 minutes of watching a youtube video, according to temp monitor lite, my cpu temperature rose to about 55 degrees celsius. Is this nnormal? Or should I as for a replacement?
Thanks."
When you're streaming video the heat will increase, but make sure you dont let it stay hot for increased periods of time. You dont need to request a replacement unless you are experiencing excessive heat frequently.
Also, when streaming - try not to have GPS and other things like that running in the background.
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got my arc a few days back...apart from suffering from poor battery issues, I have noticed that when I play games on the arc, the top part around the camera starts heating up..
I observed it first when I was playing homerun battle with the charger plugged it..so I thought perhaps its because of playing while charging..
however, even after removing the charger and playing games, the heating continues..in fact the temp indicator on battery indicator shows temps of early to mid 30 C (86F) while playing games (I have not dared to let it go beyond tht)....while on idle it overs around early to mid 20C
is this normal?
my dell streak on the other hand rarely crosses 30C even on heavy gaming...
it's normal i'd say, mine does exactly the same. Infact most of my android handsets have done the same, must be due to the high processor power i guess.
When i have wi-fi off then the phone doesnt heat.
I think this happen cause of of many apps running in the background.
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I never use the wi-fi on my handset apart from tethering, which is only occasionally but my handset heats up whilst playing games.
I think it's just down to the size of the handset. To fit everything into such a small body, all the components have to be very close together and that will impact how heat dissipates.
Think about laptops, they get noticeably warm when under heavy load in a way that desktop PCs tend not to, because there's more room in them for air to move and heat to dissipate - it's just the same but on a smaller scale, the differences in size of phones is obviously much smaller but so is the amount of heat being produced/power being used.
I would just like to say that the arc does not heat up very much, compared to an Atrix, that is. That phone regularly reaches up to 36c, and people have told me that going up to ~50 was NORMAL for it (eg using GPS navigation). The top portion also most likely holds the CPU and the rest of the components. I wouldn't worry about it too much..My arc is frequently around 30c during use. I think the battery life is quite good though
yup I thought so..its gotta do more with the size of the arc and what all it can do...and if you can go upto 50C then there is a long way to go.....
however, take for example my dell streak..its a 5 inch screen in a body which is 9.9mm thin...so a big phone and pretty thin but still it doesnt heat up too much...
on the other hand think about the Samsung galaxy s2...8.49 mm and a dual core processor...probably be a fireball after you play graphic intensive games on it for sometime..
Noticed it as well. My advice ?
Step 1. Buy a silicone gel casing.
Step 2. Place it around your phone.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Profit.
Basically just ignore it - I'm pretty sure up to 40 celsius is alright, and the only reason why you notice it so much on Arc is because of how thin the device is. With summer coming though, I'd lay off gaming in direct sunlight
I once had quite a long session of angry birds; And after I quit, my temp was at 44゜C
Regardless of unhealthy temperature, it's still working up till now.
mine averages around 35. my 3G is always on and when on skype vc for a long time, it hits 43/44 too. but its due to the thinness of the handset.
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however, take for example my dell streak..its a 5 inch screen in a body which is 9.9mm thin...so a big phone and pretty thin but still it doesnt heat up too much...
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It make not be incredibly thick but given the size of it's footprint, the components can probably be spaced out a bit more allowing the heat to dissipate more effectively.
My arc also heating up when I play dungen defender is really really hot especially the LCD screen...i feel that the tempreture is more than 60C ... will it damage the phone?
Jesus people, youre running a 1GHz CPU and a 3D graphics card flat out in a package not much bigger than a PCMCIA card, i think you can expect it to get a little warm.
When i think about the size of the heatsink+fan i had fitted to my first 1GHz desktop CPU to keep it from melting itself into a puddle of silicon, i'm amazed that modern phones manage to keep from spontaneously combusting.
^ what he said. remember, with higher processing power comes with higher heat discharge.
kinda offtopic but compared to the x10 where the cpu is under the battery, the heat would transfer to the battery causing it to overheat and reboot. i'm glad SE placed the cpu away from the battery.
it also seems like they've added a larger metallic plate (can be seen under the battery) in the Arc for improved heat dissipation.
+1. although bat temperature almost the same with my old phone, arc definitely feel err, cooler?
Hi guys,
My first time to post here, I know its normal for arc s to heat up when playing games. But is it also normal if on idle? it heats up to 38 degrees celcius. It concerns me because it drains my battery so much. Thanks!
all CPUs nowadays have a temperature threshold up to 70°C .. that means if the phone hits this temperature it will shutdown automatically, if this doesnt happen you dont have to worry and i think you will feel the difference between 40 and 70°C
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all CPUs nowadays have a temperature threshold up to 70°C .. that means if the phone hits this temperature it will shutdown automatically, if this doesnt happen you dont have to worry and i think you will feel the difference between 40 and 70°C
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Thanks for clarifying mate . What concerns me though is when its idle after charging @100% sittin' there say like 10-20 mins, check battery and boom! almost 50% was lost.
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got my arc a few days back...apart from suffering from poor battery issues, I have noticed that ................
my dell streak on the other hand rarely crosses 30C even on heavy gaming...
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This thread of mine might help you!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1540385
If i helped you, hit the thanks button!
Xperia Arc |Acronium 7.2| |DooMkernel v19|
When gaming, it gets so hot that it makes me think "this should definitely not be this hot", I would categorize it as "an unusual amount of heat". It makes me afraid I'm going to melt something on the inside haha so I give it a break. I know it's hard to describe temperature over the internet but is yours getting uncomfortably hot?
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Mine sometimes gets on the warm side, but the Nexus 10 has safeguards to prevent "dangerous" temps (your CPU clock will downclock in increments of 100MHz until the CPU gets cooler, and then spike back up to 1.7GHz; lowest I've seen it go was 800MHz).
Download Cooltool at play store and set up what you want to show as a floating widget. This is how I monitor my cpu, batt temp, ram, wifi strength etc. This way you can be more accurate in determining wether your device is too hot and if you should be worried.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ds.cpuoverlay
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Download Cooltool at play store and set up what you want to show as a floating widget. This is how I monitor my cpu, batt temp, ram, wifi strength etc. This way you can be more accurate in determining wether your device is too hot and if you should be worried.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ds.cpuoverlay
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Hey thanks a lot for that! but uhh how hot is too hot for the battery?
Mine gets really damn hot as well near the removable cover. I really pondered removing the cover and back and seeing if I can make vents in the back, with a screen, then I can remove that removable cover while gaming. It's most noticeable during Need for Speed most wanted.
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Mine gets really damn hot as well near the removable cover. I really pondered removing the cover and back and seeing if I can make vents in the back, with a screen, then I can remove that removable cover while gaming. It's most noticeable during Need for Speed most wanted.
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It doesn't really bother me, per say, but I'm just worried that its going to mess it up, but at any rate good to know it's "normal"
Normal: 70 d F
TOO HOT: 95 d F
Mine does that too. I have noticed that the case is starting to warp where the heat is most concentrated... Just to the left side by the power button. Between the power button and the camera. Almost like some glue came off and the casing is separating...
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That's not good
I was using mines for google talk video chat and it got really hot. I checked the temps and it was at 91F.
Ok I did a test again and it went up to 105F. All this just by video chatting. Thats not normal!
Mines getting hot too just an hour of browsing the web and its extremely warm.
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Ok I did a test again and it went up to 105F. All this just by video chatting. Thats not normal!
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Why do you think that? It's perfectly normal for a chipset like this.
Its not just the top part thats hot like it should be. By holding it with my hands on the side you can feel the heat.
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Its not just the top part thats hot like it should be. By holding it with my hands on the side you can feel the heat.
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If you blast through the battery in a few hours with 3D gaming or the like the battery will get warm, too (40-50°C).
it was only like 20 minutes. I'm not saying the device getting warm isnt normal. I know that it is. However the first device i had did not get as hot as this.
The N10 is thin and very powerful so heat might be more noticeable. As long as it's "only" getting warm and not slowing down/stuttering in this state, there's nothing to worry about.
lol thats kinda the problem. the video keeps stuttering and freezing and so does the game....
everyone should be undervolting the nexus 10
this device can't even run at stock speeds for extended lengths of time without throttling due to high temperature...
it's easy to test, just run StabilityTest (search google play) and run the Classic Test... you'll eventually see your CPU throttle down from 1700MHz (mine goes down to 1400MHz every so often... i'd probably go down even more if i hadn't undervolted it)
therefore, undervolting it will help it run at stock speeds for longer
I noticed mine heating up for the first time. Don't play many games at the moment. Heated up quite a bit between camera and buttons just like others have mentioned. I was playing ingress when I first noticed. Also when I was just using browser to the ingress/Intel page. I was thinking it had to do with GPS but after reading other comments I guess CPU was working hard refreshing page.
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Hi,
Soon to be RC here, and my first contribution to the nexus 4 world is an attempt to convince you that your nexus 4 isn't overheating.
Some of you replied to my first thread here about what should i worry about in the nexus 4. Some replied that it has a battery drain... that i fixed by removing the google search bar... Others have said that it has overheating issues which some users are scared of.
I'm here to show you why you shouldn't be scared at all.
I was playing Fast And Furious 6: The Game, and 5 minutes later when i ran out of car gas, i closed the game and directly opened Trickster MOD app to see the temperatures of the phone... yes temperatureS.
You'll notice there are two temps in this app: Battery Temp and CPU Temp.
The one you used to check on older devices is Battery Temp, because older devices didn't have CPU Temp sensor.
When i first opened Trickster MOD it showed this:
Battery Temp: 42°C
CPU Temp: 56°C
And then seconds later, the CPU Temp dropped to 49°C and stayed at 49-50°C.
But Battery Temp was decreasing slowly from 42°C to 38°C in about 5 minutes.
Now the reason for the fast CPU Temp drop is that when the CPU is busy, there is so much electricity running through it, it generates heat. But when the CPU is practically resting, the electricity running through it is much less, hence, the Temp drop, which is normal. And also, if you're using a kernel that supports turning off the 3 other CPUs when not in heavy use, then it's better because the less CPU cores active, the less heat.
So the main thing you should be scared of is the Battery Temp... But don't be, because Android is smart:
Android has a built in overheating system which does certain steps to avoid hardware heating damage, if the phone overheats, it takes some steps:
1- If charging, it stops charging to reduce Battery Temp.
2- Reduces CPU speed automatically to make less electrical current run through the CPU, thus reducing CPU Temp.
3- If both of the above failed to get out of the overheat situation, it shuts down the phone.
So if you were playing a big game, and the phone heats up... keep playing that game, android will take care of the rest
OFF TOPIC:
But the question still remains: if I'm charging the phone using the wall charger, and I put it on the wireless charger, will it blow up?
Well, yeah. This is what we have been trying to say since the Nexus 4 came on the market.
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Hi,
Soon to be RC here
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Good luck with that!
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Good luck with that!
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Thanks mate, actually I've been trying to be an RC since last summer... hopefully this time I'll acheive my goal, it's been a year.
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i like what you wrote, except for one thing..
"So if you were playing a big game, and the phone overheats... keep playing that game, android will take care of the rest"
the use of the word overheats. its not overheating. its heating up with use, which is the normal way things work. by using overheating, you make it still sound like an issue.
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i like what you wrote, except for one thing..
"So if you were playing a big game, and the phone overheats... keep playing that game, android will take care of the rest"
the use of the word overheats. its not overheating. its heating up with use, which is the normal way things work. by using overheating, you make it still sound like an issue.
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Good topic and solid explenations.
But, Do you think theres a chance the glass back will crack if the phone is at its hottest point(right before it shuts down itself)?
Because I remember that I've read these horror stories before I bought the N4, don't really know if its bad luck or not.
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Good topic and solid explenations.
But, Do you think theres a chance the glass back will crack if the phone is at its hottest point(right before it shuts down itself)?
Because I remember that I've read these horror stories before I bought the N4, don't really know if its bad luck or not.
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if you drop it in cold water, or stick it into a good freezer at that point, then yes. otherwise, probably not unless it get cooled down extremely fast.
failly said:
Good topic and solid explenations.
But, Do you think theres a chance the glass back will crack if the phone is at its hottest point(right before it shuts down itself)?
Because I remember that I've read these horror stories before I bought the N4, don't really know if its bad luck or not.
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Glass doesn't break/crack because of heat, glass breaks because of the fast temperature variation... in this case 2-4°C max is the variation, so no
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if you drop it in cold water, or stick it into a good freezer at that point, then yes. otherwise, probably not unless it get cooled down extremely fast.
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you beat me by 3 minutes
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if you drop it in cold water, or stick it into a good freezer at that point, then yes. otherwise, probably not unless it get cooled down extremely fast.
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Glass doesn't break/crack because of heat, glass breaks because of the fast temperature variation... in this case 2-4°C max is the variation, so no
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Thats true, thanks for clearing it up!
Also android itself doesn't have anything built into it for thermals.
That is done by either a file like thermald or on a hardware level.
It's like saying windows controls the cooling on your pc.
A device example would be the rlod. Lower level stuff. Android isn't even loaded.
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Also android itself doesn't have anything built into it for thermals.
That is done by either a file like thermald or on a hardware level.
It's like saying windows controls the cooling on your pc.
A device example would be the rlod. Lower level stuff. Android isn't even loaded.
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you're right, it's not "coded" into android... but so far every android build i've seen has that security system.
but that's not the point, the point of this thread is to stop N4 users from posting "overheating issue" posts, and not worry anymore.
I hear ya. But I am going to rain on your parade. It will never stop.
At best ( which I doubt) they are children that simply don't know much.
But the truth is they are plenty of fools and it will never stop. The level of stupidity I have seen related to this discussion is appalling.
Only way it will stop if it becomes taboo. One thread in general and any new threads about it get closed down and deleted.
Actually it is android that controls temperature throttling. Or to be more precise the android kernel. Which reads the thermald file for it's Max CPU temperature.
There are also hardware cut offs 100°Cpu and 60° battery which will power off the phone.
These temperatures are what I consider overheated. Anything below or throttling is to prevent your device from overheating
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Ok, I searched the forum about this topic and didn't really find anything answering my questions. I'm currently coming from a Droid RAZR and it ran hot to say the least. I can't get a straight answer on this phone's operating temperatures and I'm trying to determine whether to put a thick case on or not(with almost no bezel, I'm paranoid it will break on first drop). From what I've read, about 60% of people aren't reporting very much heat. The other 40% say there is a huge problem and most have had to replace their phones thinking it was a defect.
When it came to my RAZR, at rest with a case on, battery temperature would sit at just under 87 F. Under heavy use, I've hit over 124 F. Without a case, 83 F, the highest I've hit is just under 117 F. Extremely significant when you can't remove the battery and swap it out. I believe that it led to it's premature failure. I want to avoid that with this phone.
Is anybody keeping track of their phone and battery temperatures?
What apps and/or widgits do you use?
What is the normal at rest temperature?
What is the heavy use temperature?
Thanks everyone. My phone gets here in a few days and I want to be ready with a case.
I don't keep track of it. However this phone does get really hot (uncomfortable to hold) when playing games. With Tpu cases this was less noticeable. But lately I installed skinomi stickers for back protector, and it always bother me when it gets hot this way.
That being said, normal uses such as Internet, music, YouTube, xda, camera.... The phone only becomes slightly warm.
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I keep wondering why no one makes cases that help dissipate heat, for how hot modern phones get! If anything, most cases insulate the phone and make them get even hotter!
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Ok, I searched the forum about this topic and didn't really find anything answering my questions. I'm currently coming from a Droid RAZR and it ran hot to say the least. I can't get a straight answer on this phone's operating temperatures and I'm trying to determine whether to put a thick case on or not(with almost no bezel, I'm paranoid it will break on first drop). From what I've read, about 60% of people aren't reporting very much heat. The other 40% say there is a huge problem and most have had to replace their phones thinking it was a defect.
When it came to my RAZR, at rest with a case on, battery temperature would sit at just under 87 F. Under heavy use, I've hit over 124 F. Without a case, 83 F, the highest I've hit is just under 117 F. Extremely significant when you can't remove the battery and swap it out. I believe that it led to it's premature failure. I want to avoid that with this phone.
Is anybody keeping track of their phone and battery temperatures?
What apps and/or widgits do you use?
What is the normal at rest temperature?
What is the heavy use temperature?
Thanks everyone. My phone gets here in a few days and I want to be ready with a case.
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Admittedly, I'm not a gamer but the only times I've felt the device get hot enough to register with the Incipio Feather case were: 1) after a wipe/flash, and all my apps were downloading again from the Play Store and 2) when wiping and the device was plugged into the wall charger (CPU temp was around 100 degrees) - other than these 2 instances, I've never felt heat thru my Feather case.
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I don't keep track of it. However this phone does get really hot (I'm looking for.comfortable to hold) when playing games. With Tpu cases this was less noticeable. But lately I installed skinomi stickers for back protector, and it always bother me when it gets hot this way.
That being said, normal uses such as Internet, music, YouTube, xda, camera.... The phone only becomes slightly warm.
-LG G2
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The case I had been using with the RAZR was a TPU hybrid. I also went to a skin because of the heat. I don't think I cando that with this phone. I'm too clumsy.
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I keep wondering why no one makes cases that help dissipate heat, for how hot modern phones get! If anything, most cases insulate the phone and make them get even hotter!
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Exactly why I'm concerned.
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Admittedly, I'm not a gamer but the only times I've felt the device get hot enough to register with the Incipio Feather case were: 1) after a wipe/flash, and all my apps were downloading again from the Play Store and 2) when wiping and the device was plugged into the wall charger (CPU temp was around 100 degrees) - other than these 2 instances, I've never felt heat thru my Feather case.
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I was actually looking at getting the dual pro. Thanks for the feedback. Exactly the type I'm looking for.
Honestly i just replaced my phone due to overheating issues. It would literally shut down or restart just running the camera for too long. After reading some other reports in the forums I decided to send it in and get a replacement. My new one came in yesterday and absolutely no overheating issues. Even can run antutu without a reboot (my other G2 would reboot about 14% in). So from my experience there was a batch that had some thermal issues... I got mine the first day it came out. Loving this second one
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Honestly i just replaced my phone due to overheating issues. It would literally shut down or restart just running the camera for too long. After reading some other reports in the forums I decided to send it in and get a replacement. My new one came in yesterday and absolutely no overheating issues. Even can run antutu without a reboot (my other G2 would reboot about 14% in). So from my experience there was a batch that had some thermal issues... I got mine the first day it came out. Loving this second one
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Does anybody know if we can track manufacture/release date using the serial numbers?
I am using this case full time: http://goo.gl/0u05G5
I use Battery and CPU-Z to check battery temps. Even with over an hour of straight gaming, I have yet to see it get above 98F. I constanty run the screen at 80% brightness as well, as that can be a contributing factor. The games I have played this long with are Riptide GP and Madden 25.
You really cant feel any heat through this case, and hand temps are too subjective anyway.
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I keep wondering why no one makes cases that help dissipate heat, for how hot modern phones get! If anything, most cases insulate the phone and make them get even hotter!
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yeah, especially while gaming.. and it's not the battery drain that concerns me, the heat is ridiculous for long term gaming..
and slapping a case would be good for your hand but not for your phone
plus there's not one manufacturer that make cases for heavy gaming yet..
i wonder what the case would look like if it was made for dissapating heat.. probably has a lot of thermal pipelines built in that would be awesome..
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I am using this case full time: http://goo.gl/0u05G5
I use Battery and CPU-Z to check battery temps. Even with over an hour of straight gaming, I have yet to see it get above 98F. I constanty run the screen at 80% brightness as well, as that can be a contributing factor. The games I have played this long with are Riptide GP and Madden 25.
You really cant feel any heat through this case, and hand temps are too subjective anyway.
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One thing I've noticed from people's screenshots is that the screen doesn't use that much battery. My RAZR would sometimes draw 46%. I'm sure that also contributed to the heat. smh.
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yeah, especially while gaming.. and it's not the battery drain that concerns me, the heat is ridiculous for long term gaming..
and slapping a case would be good for your hand but not for your phone
plus there's not one manufacturer that make cases for heavy gaming yet..
i wonder what the case would look like if it was made for dissapating heat.. probably has a lot of thermal pipelines built in that would be awesome..
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lol, I've actually thought about making a case like that, then I realized if there was a way to burn myself, I'd find it.
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I keep wondering why no one makes cases that help dissipate heat, for how hot modern phones get! If anything, most cases insulate the phone and make them get even hotter!
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I'm currently in the design step of a case that uses tubing to disperse heat at the top corners of the phone to cool it down and keep heat away from the hand.
If you'd like to give input shoot me a pm and we can discuss it further.
OnT: I very rarely pass 24c on mine, then again I never game on my phone either. Highest I've hit was 42c during some testing.
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Are you guys talking about battery temps or cpu temps?
Get the app CpuTemp from play store, it overlays cpu temp while you're doing whatever, enable only the top two options, enable overlay and start on boot.
Then get stability test app and run the first option at top, classic test.
Then report back here with your temp after you do the stress test for about 27 seconds. I hit 66c after 27 seconds.
Curious to see what everyone else hits.
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Are you guys talking about battery temps or cpu temps?
Get the app CpuTemp from play store, it overlays cpu temp while you're doing whatever, enable only the top two options, enable overlay and start on boot.
Then get stability test app and run the first option at top, classic test.
Then report back here with your temp after you do the stress test for about 27 seconds. I hit 66c after 27 seconds.
Curious to see what everyone else hits.
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Max temp i got is 60c
Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-D802 met Tapatalk
my phone will sit around 40C idle and around 70C under heavy load.
using xposed module to show in notification bar
Is overheating an issue when wifi tethering? I want to use this thing for desktop PC games and downloads; does it overheat after hours and hours of intense wifi hotspot use?
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Is overheating an issue when wifi tethering? I want to use this thing for desktop PC games and downloads; does it overheat after hours and hours of intense wifi hotspot use?
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I have used it for a couple hours and it gets warm. Not warm enough for me to worry about checking the temperature.
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I have used it for a couple hours and it gets warm. Not warm enough for me to worry about checking the temperature.
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Thanks for your feedback. Would you say it was with heavy usage?
I have made the tests , and i get 72 °C after 1:20 secs running the standard test. About 35 °C in idle,and about 50-55 °C when i am using the phone for facebook,browser,youtube. Is this ok? (These are Cpu Temps).
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I have made the tests , and i get 72 °C after 1:20 secs running the standard test. About 35 °C in idle,and about 50-55 °C when i am using the phone for facebook,browser,youtube. Is this ok? (These are Cpu Temps).
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My G2 gets also around 55°C when using the phone normally (youtube, browser, etc.) and over 67-68°C while gaming. I think this is normal for a high frequency 4 cores CPU. Right?
Hey, I received my LG G2 yesterday and i've been experiencing cpu temperatures of:
42-48C being idle
52-59C during browsing, facebook, viber etc
62-64C when on youtube (after the first 5 seconds)
65C when on gps
As for the stress test after 1:20 and up to 20:00 it was around 72-74 C
The phone feels hot all the time though with no apparent reason.
Screen brightness is set to 30% all the time, 3g connection is off and I only keep Wi-fi on. I even tried turning off features like gestures, I don't know if it is of any relevance.
Of course I haven't trying gaming yet, since I'm not really interested in it, but I want my smartphone to be functional without burning up.
Should I return it and ask for a replacement? Or is it an issue with LG G2 or Snapdragon 800 generally? Will it be a waste of time?
Is there any way to disable the automatic over heat screen dimming? I'm tired of the screen dimming in the middle of my game.
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Is there any way to disable the automatic over heat screen dimming? I'm tired of the screen dimming in the middle of my game.
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Sorry but if it's overheating then it's a safety feature.
I'm sure you wouldn't prefer to be playing whilst you're phone is on fire.
I'm short, no it cannot be disabled, which I'm glad of as people would just point their finger at OnePlus.
*removes screen overheat dimming"
after 20 minutes of heavy gaming screen dies
*blames oneplus saying very bad phone bad quality etc.*
been there, seen that. to this day many indian users remove thermal configs on their oneplus/xiaomi devices and eventually ends up with dead batteries, ghosted screen, hell some just burn their phones (x3 nfc)
Cool the phone. A fan on it and/or a damp microfiber cloth. Avoid overheating the device.
It's possible for hysterious to cause the thermal protection to fail to adequately protect the device especially in direct sunlight.
The display's thousands of semiconductors are vulnerable to thermal damage, not just the chipsets.
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*removes screen overheat dimming"
after 20 minutes of heavy gaming screen dies
*blames oneplus saying very bad phone bad quality etc.*
been there, seen that. to this day many indian users remove thermal configs on their oneplus/xiaomi devices and eventually ends up with dead batteries, ghosted screen, hell some just burn their phones (x3 nfc)
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Hahah.
Do this with a PC when it's throttling.
Call the fire brigade first just incase
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Cool the phone. A fan on it and/or a damp microfiber cloth. Avoid overheating the device.
It's possible for hysterious to cause the thermal protection to fail to adequately protect the device especially in direct sunlight.
The display's thousands of semiconductors are vulnerable to thermal damage, not just the chipsets.
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Yep was thinking this too.
Slap a nice big heat sync on the back of the phone.
Problem is the battery is still going to take a massive hit every time anyway.. so you can't win really
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Yep was thinking this too.
Slap a nice big heat sync on the back of the phone.
Problem is the battery is still going to take a massive hit every time anyway.. so you can't win really
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Meh, yeah pretty much born to lose
The problem is the long game jerk off sessions on a micro laptop with very limited heat dissipation.
Limit to 5 or 10 minutes or use a gaming PC.
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Turn down the brightness...
its not like i leave it dim when it automatically dims., i raise the brightness right away and do this until im done with my gaming session. Phone doesnt catch fire. Thanks for the thermal tip.
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Meh, yeah pretty much born to lose
The problem is the long game jerk off sessions on a micro laptop with very limited heat dissipation.
Limit to 5 or 10 minutes or use a gaming PC.
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Turn down the brightness...
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Or a handheld fan made for phones...think theres a few on Amazon.
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Or a handheld fan made for phones...think theres a few on Amazon.
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It's getting around a 100F ambient here, I use a damp microfiber cloth plus fan when charging and otherwise as needed.
I just watch the battery temp as the chipset runs cool (>120F) for browsing.
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It's getting around a 100F ambient here, I use a damp microfiber cloth plus fan when charging and otherwise as needed.
I just watch the battery temp as the chipset runs cool (>120F) for browsing.
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That's insane... Have you under locked or played about with CPU speeds? They don't always stick but may help.
I've seen a difference.
Are you using a case on your phone?
It'd be nice if a cooling vent was possible so we could point a solution at it, almost like a latch then have a pass through fan.
Or even plug in and stop using the lithium battery, that should eliminate a bunch of heat.
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That's insane... Have you under locked or played about with CPU speeds? They don't always stick but may help.
I've seen a difference.
Are you using a case on your phone?
It'd be nice if a cooling vent was possible so we could point a solution at it, almost like a latch then have a pass through fan.
Or even plug in and stop using the lithium battery, that should eliminate a bunch of heat.
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A stock N10+ snap running on Pie, brightness 30-40%, power setting: optimized, it's in a Zizo Bolt case. Optimized; no cloud storage, wifi, Google play Services, Playstore are normally disabled, and no social media apps. When I first got it it was a hot running power hog... a real menace.
At >95-98F if streaming vids* I need to cool it or give it a rest by browsing after 20-30 minutes. At 100F ambient that's getting near the 102F limit I try to stay below on the battery for best lifespan. That's what's limiting me, not so much the cpu core temp.
It's a clean running machine that's gorgeous, and gets good SOT. Samsung has given me zero incentive to upgrade it... so I bought a second new one about a year and a half ago.
*streaming vids uses almost twice the power as just surfing on the browser. Watching downloaded vids uses less as surfing.
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A stock N10+ snap running on Pie, brightness 30-40%, power setting: optimized, it's in a Zizo Bolt case. Optimized; no cloud storage, wifi, Google play Services, Playstore are normally disabled, and no social media apps. When I first got it it was a hot running power hog... a real menace.
At >95-98F if streaming vids* I need to cool it or give it a rest by browsing after 20-30 minutes. At 100F ambient that's getting near the 102F limit I try to stay below on the battery for best lifespan. That's what's limiting me, not so much the cpu core temp.
It's a clean running machine that's gorgeous, and gets good SOT. Samsung has given me zero incentive to upgrade it... so I bought a second new one about a year and a half ago.
*streaming vids uses almost twice the power as just surfing on the browser. Watching downloaded vids uses less as surfing.
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They're extreme temps, how hot is it where you are?
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They're extreme temps, how hot is it where you are?
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It's 84F at 9AM, but should hit 104 today.
But it's a dry heat
Being inside is roughly 5° cooler by the time the ambient outside temperature peaks.
W Texas, is not Death Valley by a long shot.
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It's 84F at 9AM, but should hit 104 today.
But it's a dry heat
Being inside is roughly 5° cooler by the time the ambient outside temperature peaks.
W Texas, is not Death Valley by a long shot.
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Bit toasty that mate, it's 25c here (celcius)
Would a case make a difference? Maybe underclock as well.
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Bit toasty that mate, it's 25c here (celcius)
Would a case make a difference? Maybe underclock as well.
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It's already 91F here, the only reason it's not hotter yet was it's a bit overcast. That's burning off, no rain forecast for the next week, just heat.
I never use the power saving mode as it's a pain.
Oddly using peak cpu performance doesn't really add more speed than in the optimized mode.
Using max resolution you take about a 4-6% hit per hour. Even with 20/10 vision the difference is hard or near impossible to spot, mostly pointless to do.
Without a case the N10+ is hard to handle and would get destroyed. Not sure how much of a difference in heat dissipation no case makes as I never tested it. Not worth the risk.
The only bad thing with a case is spotting a failed swelling battery is hidden. Had that happen 2 years ago. Was very lucky the display wasn't damaged. Normally I take the case off every 2-3 months for cleaning as it attaches very little dust and dirt.
Always watch for changes in battery capacity and fast charging performance. If fast charging fails to engage or doesn't stay engaged within its normal temperature and charge % ranges it maybe a battery failure in progress. Batteries can fail at any time but is more likely to happen once a Li is degraded (80% or less of its original capacity).
This current Li has been hovering around 80-84% of it's original capacity for 6 months now. It's a little over 2 years old... I need to change it out soon. Lol, it's outlasted the OEM battery by over 6 months In all fairness though when I first got the phone it was a power hungry hog, took a few months to figure out how to tone it down. Another reason you want to always optimize a new Samsung; battery lifespan, not just for SOT/heat/performance.
Night and day difference.
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It's already 91F here, the only reason it's not hotter yet was it's a bit overcast. That's burning off, no rain forecast for the next week, just heat.
I never use the power saving mode as it's a pain.
Oddly using peak cpu performance doesn't really add more speed than in the optimized mode.
Using max resolution you take about a 4-6% hit per hour. Even with 20/10 vision the difference is hard or near impossible to spot, mostly pointless to do.
Without a case the N10+ is hard to handle and would get destroyed. Not sure how much of a difference in heat dissipation no case makes as I never tested it. Not worth the risk.
The only bad thing with a case is spotting a failed swelling battery is hidden. Had that happen 2 years ago. Was very lucky the display wasn't damaged. Normally I take the case off every 2-3 months for cleaning as it attaches very little dust and dirt.
Always watch for changes in battery capacity and fast charging performance. If fast charging fails to engage or doesn't stay engaged within its normal temperature and charge % ranges it maybe a battery failure in progress. Batteries can fail at any time but is more likely to happen once a Li is degraded (80% or less of its original capacity).
This current Li has been hovering around 80-84% of it's original capacity for 6 months now. It's a little over 2 years old... I need to change it out soon. Lol, it's outlasted the OEM battery by over 6 months In all fairness though when I first got the phone it was a power hungry hog, took a few months to figure out how to tone it down. Another reason you want to always optimize a new Samsung; battery lifespan, not just for SOT/heat/performance.
Night and day difference.
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Yea defo don't use qhd it's pointless..
Also wouldn't use power saver, I meant actually underclocking in Franco kernel
manager.
I knock them down a few notches, definitely helps.
Also with heat your phone will charge a tonne slower.. first step is 37c then 39 then 40 and so on...
Under 37c and you're getting the full 80 watts.
I think a case with some space In it would help with heat dissipation..
Android 12 also seemed to be much more efficient than 13, I've contemplated going back again and have done a few times.
Certainly shouldn't have to but needs must.
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Yea defo don't use qhd it's pointless..
Also wouldn't use power saver, I meant actually underclocking in Franco kernel
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The N10+'s are both snaps, locked bootloaders.
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I knock them down a few notches, definitely helps.
Also with heat your phone will charge a tonne slower.. first step is 37c then 39 then 40 and so on...
Under 37c and you're getting the full 80 watts.
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With a damp microfiber cloth it charges under 95F even when it's insanely hot.
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There's a very small airspace on back. It actually does quit well.
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Android 12 also seemed to be much more efficient than 13, I've contemplated going back again and have done a few times.
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I'm still running on 9 and 10. Pie seems to run the best and is more functional. 10 has some nice tricks but has many dozens of new system apps for the UI. Oddly my disable list is nearly identical for both phones right now. That may change as I play with it more... but I really like Pie.
No plans to upgrade either. No malware on this phone (Pie) in over 3 years so it's relatively secure as configured/used.
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The N10+'s are both snaps, locked bootloaders.
With a damp microfiber cloth it charges under 95F even when it's insanely hot.
There's a very small airspace on back. It actually does quit well.
I'm still running on 9 and 10. Pie seems to run the best and is more functional. 10 has some nice tricks but has many dozens of new system apps for the UI. Oddly my disable list is nearly identical for both phones right now. That may change as I play with it more... but I really like Pie.
No plans to upgrade either. No malware on this phone (Pie) in over 3 years so it's relatively secure as configured/used.
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Android 9 and 10 lool root them both mate and install an efficient kernel unless you can't, in which case that sucks.
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Android 9 and 10 lool root them both mate and install an efficient kernel unless you can't, in which case that sucks.
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The Snapdragon variants are notoriously hard to root. They also have a good vapor phase heatpipe on the SOC.
Not worth it as they run well now