[Q] mhl adapter 24p movie playback - Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

hi folks,
i've seen on the forum here that the new mhl 2.0 adapter outputs video at 60fps. can this be changed or is it fixed? i output mkv HD movies hdmi from my laptop and need to set it to output 24p to get smooth playback on my TV. if i set it to 60 the playback is not as smooth. so can these new adapters do 24p? or maybe at the default 60fps movie playback is smooth anyway?
thanks!

60>24 so 60 fps is smoother. 24p is the original frame used for films,if you need the original/untouched effect you need 24fps. Otherwise the 60 is smoother. Btw, your TV knows 24 p?
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I set my laptop to output 24p which is actually 23.976. most mkv movie files are 23.976 fps. My lg tv recognises this and plays it back flawlessly. I'm looking for a solution for the s4 that works as well as the laptop. So hoping that the mhl adaptor will allow me to set the output to 24p (23.976) as well. Anybody got any experience with this yet?

judder
well i finally got the samsung mhl 2.0 adapter today. unfortunately it was as i feared. 24p and 25p playback is juddery. its not terrible but its there. the s4 is sending 24p movies out at 60hz leading to frame rate mismatch. you'll notice this most on panning shots and such-like. does anyone know of a way to get the s4 to output 24p with this adapter? the tv tells me its receiving 1080p 60 from the s4 no matter what.

whatsisnametake2 said:
well i finally got the samsung mhl 2.0 adapter today. unfortunately it was as i feared. 24p and 25p playback is juddery. its not terrible but its there. the s4 is sending 24p movies out at 60hz leading to frame rate mismatch. you'll notice this most on panning shots and such-like. does anyone know of a way to get the s4 to output 24p with this adapter? the tv tells me its receiving 1080p 60 from the s4 no matter what.
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This is the only comment I can find in this subject anywhere. I have the exact same problem. My s4 is trying to play a 24fps movie on an mhl lead with a 60 output and it judders badly on panning scenes. I find it amazing that no one has even commented properly on this let alone suggest any solution. Does every single smartphone user simply not really care about the judder?

gmjh said:
This is the only comment I can find in this subject anywhere. I have the exact same problem. My s4 is trying to play a 24fps movie on an mhl lead with a 60 output and it judders badly on panning scenes. I find it amazing that no one has even commented properly on this let alone suggest any solution. Does every single smartphone user simply not really care about the judder?
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couldn't agree more. i've given up trying to get the s4 to playback to my tv thru this adapter. seems astonishing when so much material is 24p. i just ordered a chromecast and will see how that goes with plex.

whatsisnametake2 said:
couldn't agree more. i've given up trying to get the s4 to playback to my tv thru this adapter. seems astonishing when so much material is 24p. i just ordered a chromecast and will see how that goes with plex.
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Ok post your results if you get a chance. The Apple TV also works with an s4 with the right app (apparently. I haven't tried it)

Hi everyone. Has anyone found out a solution to eliminate the judder effect and have a perfect 24p output in our S4?. Thank you.

please, nobody?. Thanks

calvorota said:
please, nobody?. Thanks
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This isn't a solution more of a realisation that I think the problem is with the s4 not the mhl lead. If you play the video on the phone and look a little closer at it you see the same motion judder. On a large tv this judder is magnified and is more noticeable. But the judder playing HD or mkv files is something that is there in the s4 itself. It seems there's virtually no one that's bothered by it so a fix is highly unlikely.

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HDMI out resolution

Hello,
Has anyone tried using the HDMI feature? I just received my cable yesterday and was able to view anything in my gallery and youtube. The only thing that bothered me is that everything was output in 480p. (I had youtube set to HQ and it made no difference)
Does anyone know if the phone can output at a higher resolution?
brian29 said:
Hello,
Has anyone tried using the HDMI feature? I just received my cable yesterday and was able to view anything in my gallery and youtube. The only thing that bothered me is that everything was output in 480p. (I had youtube set to HQ and it made no difference)
Does anyone know if the phone can output at a higher resolution?
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it's supposed to be possible to output 1080p, thats what all the specs i have seen for the phone say
dmc971989 said:
it's supposed to be possible to output 1080p, thats what all the specs i have seen for the phone say
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Thats what I thought. I was unable to get anything higher that 480p though. My tv is 1080p 120hz.
brian29 said:
Thats what I thought. I was unable to get anything higher that 480p though. My tv is 1080p 120hz.
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hmmm... well i wish i could help ya man, i dont have a cable yet
but hopefully someone smarter than I that has a cable will be able to figure this out
I doubt youtube even HQ is streaming in 1080p
EDIT: In fact, it'd be my guess the max output resolution is probly 720p (considering it can capture in 720p)
his gallery should be higher rez though. i doubt thsi phone has the power to play 720p compressed.
The max resolution on the camera's video capture is 1280x720, which is 720p. So I doubt the phone will output anything higher (like 1080p/i). In fact, I saw one reviewer that stated that he "thought" the phone *only* outputs 720p, upconverting any video to that resolution. But I don't think that has been verified. What I *can* verify is that video shot with the camera at 720p and shown on an HDTV shows EXTREME compression artifacts to the point that a lower resolution will probably give better results (although you will not get the 16:9 aspect ratio).
What about regular HD movies in 1080p/i that are saved onto your sd card. How did those do on your hdtv. Did they come out choppy or compressed at all? I'm waiting to get my hdmi cable to test it out myself.
it's supposed to be possible to output 1080p, thats what all the specs i have seen for the phone say
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Actually the specs never say 1080p, they say 720p. And from what i've seen that's only when outputting pics and videos form the gallery player.
We want to get netflix on our Evos and do the output to our TV's.
I wonder how the outout will look on that?
sitlet said:
Actually the specs never say 1080p, they say 720p. And from what i've seen that's only when outputting pics and videos form the gallery player.
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I have seen it somewhere listed... ill attempt to find it and post back
I remember seeing a post on engadget a couple weeks back with a video demoing the ability to play youtube hq through HDMI. they were watching a video that had paint splashing around in slow motion. It looked great! Last night I tried to watch a couple of youtube videos that were hq quality with the hdmi cable plugged into my tv and they looked horrible. I thought it might be a setting on the phone, but I could not find one.
brian29 said:
Hello,
Has anyone tried using the HDMI feature? I just received my cable yesterday and was able to view anything in my gallery and youtube. The only thing that bothered me is that everything was output in 480p. (I had youtube set to HQ and it made no difference)
Does anyone know if the phone can output at a higher resolution?
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I have the same problem with youtube. It seems that it does not use 720p, even in "HD", it seems the "HD" is actually 480p (the EVO screen resolution). Another problem with youtube on EVO (as opposed to TP2) is that unless you click "HD" there is no way to stretch the video to full screen, even when viewed on the EVO screen. This is one of the most unfortunate things I've found when trying to impress my iPhone loving friends. On the TP2, youtube was surprisingly excellent, it filled the entire screen and looked fantastic (without an "HD" option) the EVO seems to have actually taken a step back (albeit a small step) in that department.
While using the HDMI cable to my TV, it will output 720p videos (taken with the phone camera or made with handbreak.) However, it will not scale anything up. So if you create a video at the 800x480 EVO screen resolution, it will display in the center of your TV (not fill the entire screen.) I've not yet tried 1080p, considering the 1600mbs (realistic) encoding limitation, I don't think 1080p will be a good idea even if it does work, just stick with 720p.
So 720P movies and stuff will work just fine?
Can it display the UI of the device and other apps...or only multimedia content?
engagedtosmile said:
So 720P movies and stuff will work just fine?
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Yes, 720p at 1500mb/s works.
Grims said:
Can it display the UI of the device and other apps...or only multimedia content?
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Only multimedia content, no UI.
TheMostToys said:
Only multimedia content, no UI.
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That sucks, was hoping (not expecting) to be able to hook up to a big screen on occasion for some apps.
Think it is possible to could be done via software?
Grims said:
That sucks, was hoping (not expecting) to be able to hook up to a big screen on occasion for some apps.
Think it is possible to could be done via software?
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This x 1,000.
I'm still not sure if I'm getting an EVO or Streak, but both have HDMI, and either way, I want to be able to hook my device up to a monitor and use it in the same fashion that I would my netbook (i.e. light web browsing, very light office/doc work, maybe some light games).
Basically, I'm looking to get rid of my netbook and replace it with my new smartphone...but I have to break out to a larger display from time to time.
hexydes said:
This x 1,000.
I'm still not sure if I'm getting an EVO or Streak, but both have HDMI, and either way, I want to be able to hook my device up to a monitor and use it in the same fashion that I would my netbook (i.e. light web browsing, very light office/doc work, maybe some light games).
Basically, I'm looking to get rid of my netbook and replace it with my new smartphone...but I have to break out to a larger display from time to time.
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Exactly what I was getting at. I am trying to replace my laptop for the most part. This would be a big step forward in that area.

HDMI quality is garbage so far...against hdmi 1.3

I picked up a Molex micro hdmi cable and have tested it against my 20" 720p Sceptre, my 37" 1080P Sceptre, 43" 1080P Sceptre and several 1080P monitors at my place of work...all with same results.
Picture is pixellated, "choppy" and it seems phone can't keep up.
I am sending 720P videos created with phone (I set it to 720p) and can see that ALL the tvs receive as 720p signal...yet image quality is so poor it's borked.
All of these TVs were hdmi 1.3 I believe...is this solely an hdmi 1.4 issue?
Loving my Evo except hdmi is fubar. I have a few days left on eval and may return it if this feature is truly not appropriate for phone (due to cpu issue).
I am perfectly willing to wait for g'bread if this will make a difference.
What's the deal here?
Check it against a better TV. Those Scepters just don't use the same quality as say even a Visio, let alone a Sony or Samsung.
Worked wonderfully for my brother's 46" LG LCD
So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha
I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?
sceptre is the same quality as visio hate to break it to you. plays properly on my 32" samsung.
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I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?
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No
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Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.
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Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.
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Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?
thegame3202 said:
So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha
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Actually they were purchased at CostCo several years ago and price compared to that of others sets for most part. I wasn't aware costCo sold crap brands...not my experience with them.
Odd that my blu-ray, cable box and other hi-def input sources play beautifully on my sceptres and only the HTC has issues. Sceptre's now the problem? Hmmm...
Time to run by Fry's and see what works and what doesn't.
To those who are getting a stunning picture via hdmi...are your sets hdmi 1.4 protocol?
mklein said:
Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?
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What I'm saying is the videos you record using the phones camcorder are encoded at a low bitrate making them look like ****. HDMI output is only as good as the source quality.
I suggest you read this as well since you seem to think that HDMI revisions automatically mean improved video quality.
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#12
The problem isn't the Evo or your TV, it's your source material. The 720p from the camcorder is compressed so much that it doesn't look that good.
Encode a movie using a high bitrate (somewhere around 5000), and it'll look good. Just like mine do.
Dude, I was kidding. lol
What about streaming videos from something like mPlayer? Those also look like sh*t, as the OP mentioned. Is that a tv problem or is that a "bitrate" problem?
Thanks for the help all.
After installing handbrake to convert some trailers I am finally seeing a not-so-****ty picture. The whole re-encoding thing bites hard though. Who really has time to convert all their **** or even wants to do it selectively? I know I don't.
The fact that the device isn't capable of creating its own hdmi content is pretty bad and somewhat misleading: 720P on vidcam app during record....720P hdmi signal out per notification window...sounds like a match to me!
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)
where are you guys getting your HDMI cables? last time I checked monoprice didn't stock them.
mklein said:
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)
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Agree. The hdmi out is wasted space on this phone. If it worked, this thing would be the hub of my media center! Especially with stuff like JetFlix streaming in crisp hi-def to the t.v. But, no. With the quality as-is, I don't see myself ever using it.
I suppose I could encode existing movies for playback, but why would I use my phone to store them? I'd just burn a dvd or bring a external hard drive. At that point, I'd just be using my phone to watch them on a plane or something, and you don't need an HDMI port for that.
But this isn't a dealbreaker for me. I still love the phone.

1080p hdmi out...

I thought 3.1 Will bring 1080p hdmi support....but no...it didn't.....thrn I thought 4.010.40 will bring it(as per the changelog)....but still the same.....is everyone having the same issue or my tab exceptionly shows only 720p...!?
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Running .40 version and 1080p hdmi out works but it is not smooth at all. It plays normally for a while then the picture pauses for a second then continue this behavour randomly.
Remember to play 1080 video file, so it will automatically switch from 720 to 1080.
Ooh interesting.
I'm not too surprised if the tablet can't decode 1080p but do other stuff work ok with 1080p output?
ie how does it work?
Does the external screen act like a second screen running at 1080 resolution?
I'm more interested in 'normal' apps like QuickOffice or more importantly, RDP running at .. well, whatever resolution this thing can output at... 1920x1080?
MrBoingy said:
Ooh interesting.
I'm not too surprised if the tablet can't decode 1080p but do other stuff work ok with 1080p output?
ie how does it work?
Does the external screen act like a second screen running at 1080 resolution?
I'm more interested in 'normal' apps like QuickOffice or more importantly, RDP running at .. well, whatever resolution this thing can output at... 1920x1080?
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Unfortunately, they didn't put much thought into this (probably Nvidia's lack of foresight). The HDMI will only push 1080p video when playing a 1080p source, which it is hardly capable of doing. All other times it will be 720p.
What's the point in that?
I can only assume that app developers will be able to specify what resolution their apps can output in.
eg RDP app devs can allow the app to output at 1920x1080... and NOT mirror the tablet screen.
Or maybe Angry Birds to be in full screen, rather than having to scroll sideways.
Surely it's not purely for video which it can't play anyway.
Just plugged mine into an external screen and I can't figure out a way to demo this new feature whatsoever.
Unless this update is for .40 only.. I only got updated to .38 this morning.
MrBoingy said:
What's the point in that?
I can only assume that app developers will be able to specify what resolution their apps can output in.
eg RDP app devs can allow the app to output at 1920x1080... and NOT mirror the tablet screen.
Or maybe Angry Birds to be in full screen, rather than having to scroll sideways.
Surely it's not purely for video which it can't play anyway.
Just plugged mine into an external screen and I can't figure out a way to demo this new feature whatsoever.
Unless this update is for .40 only.. I only got updated to .38 this morning.
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I believe .38 and .40 are the same....its just the different regions....
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duongla said:
Running .40 version and 1080p hdmi out works but it is not smooth at all. It plays normally for a while then the picture pauses for a second then continue this behavour randomly.
Remember to play 1080 video file, so it will automatically switch from 720 to 1080.
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Are you sure you were playing 1080p baseline-profile, not normal- or high-profile content?
Partially in reply to myself and to duongla: I just tried both with 720p high-profile and 1080p baseline-profile. Both are smooth as butter. Only 1080p non-baseline starts stuttering. As such I'd say he was trying to play non-baseline-1080p video.
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Partially in reply to myself and to duongla: I just tried both with 720p high-profile and 1080p baseline-profile. Both are smooth as butter. Only 1080p non-baseline starts stuttering. As such I'd say he was trying to play non-baseline-1080p video.
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Thanks. Actually I do not know what the profile is. Can you recommend what software to determine video profile ?
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Thanks. Actually I do not know what the profile is. Can you recommend what software to determine video profile ?
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No, sorry. I have absolutely no idea what software would do that, all the ones I have only show that it's H.264, they don't show the profile in use at all. Kinda lame. :/
I just bought an HDMI cable to watch netflix on my computer and I have an older HDTV, from 2004. It has HDMI input but it doesn't allow 720p for some reason so I get the little Android dude with the 720p bubble. How can I change the output to 1080i? Is there even a way. I'm running Thor's ICS v96.
FireMedicDave said:
I just bought an HDMI cable to watch netflix on my computer and I have an older HDTV, from 2004. It has HDMI input but it doesn't allow 720p for some reason so I get the little Android dude with the 720p bubble. How can I change the output to 1080i? Is there even a way. I'm running Thor's ICS v96.
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You can't force a resolution, the tablet tries to output whatever the content is. The netflix app will not do 1080i, at least as far as I know. I'd suggest figuring out why your TV won't do 720p. All the 1080i capable TVs I've ever seen could do 720p no problem.
(Also, this may have been better suited in a new thread, you bumped a 7 month old thread)
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[Q] High 1080P playback capabilities of N9000 and N9005

I'm very interested to know how the N9000 and N9005 perform playing heavy settings encoded 1080p videos. And i'm interested to see if the snap800 will be better at it than the exynos model since it can record/play 4k.
Such as this 1080p sample. Even both the note2/galaxy s4, that i tried, can't play this smoothly. Will the note3 snap800 be able to and the note3 exynos won't for example?
I would love to have real live info from that video clip as opposed to synthetic benchmarks, can anybody download it to both note3 models and test the 1080p sample and try with a good video player such as mx player or something and see if it plays smoothly?
And just for extra curiosity, can anybody download to the s800 at least and try to play this 4k sample?
Elusivo said:
I'm very interested to know how the N9000 and N9005 perform playing heavy settings encoded 1080p videos. And i'm interested to see if the snap800 will be better at it than the exynos model since it can record/play 4k.
Such as this 1080p sample. Even both the note2/galaxy s4, that i tried, can't play this smoothly. Will the note3 snap800 be able to and the note3 exynos won't for example?
I would love to have real live info from that video clip as opposed to synthetic benchmarks, can anybody download it to both note3 models and test the 1080p sample and try with a good video player such as mx player or something and see if it plays smoothly?
And just for extra curiosity, can anybody download to the s800 at least and try to play this 4k sample?
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it does not play using default video player. used MX player to play the video. it played well.
Awesome, tks, finally a phone that can play that video clip, i take it you only tried the 1080p sampe? Anyway xD looks like it's time for me to get a new phone!
Hope to hear from the N9000 too ^^
It ran fine on my Galaxy Note 2.
Ran fine on my Note 3 (SM-N9005)
I tried it in MX player and it's 16 seconds (is this right?)
It seems slow, is it supposed to be slow motiony?
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4k video jitters in mx player..
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It ran fine on my Galaxy Note 2.
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I tried it when the note2 came out on a friends unit, and it wasn't smooth, maybe with the latest roms the video playback got improved?
But i also tried on a S4 when it came out and it didn't play smothly also, it had missing frames, so i didn't buy either phone, but i didn't try with updated or custom roms, maybe that's why.
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I tried it in MX player and it's 16 seconds (is this right?)
It seems slow, is it supposed to be slow motiony?
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ye, close to 17 sec.
I don't know if the video is in slow motion, but i guess it does kinda looks a little bit like that. The thing is that video is 108Mbps so if the note3 didn't play it smootly you could easily see it jitter/skip frames (as in my note1 ) probly the same thing that you see on the 4k video which is really high bitrate also.
Now i wonder how the N9000 copes at playing the 1080p and 4k clips, probly the same results no?
Bloody hell, 424MB for 17 seconds?! Remind me never to download an entire 4K Bluray...
Yes, the video is in semi-slow motion: It's a Time Lapse.
(I'm not entirely sure the 4K video is meant to run smoothly to begin with. It does the exact same freezing at the exact same point in the exact same manner every time. I'd take it apart in Premiere, but Adobe just took a look at the filesize and gave up.
Even my laptop, which is a 3.2Ghz i7 with 8GB RAM and a 4GB VRAM GT 740M, has trouble running it. (And by trouble I mean, "does this even count as frames per second anymore?") It can run TimeScapes 4K (the first ever official 4K Timelapse film @4096 x 2304) smoothly without issue...)
hehe ye, that 4k clip is just an abuse lol at 243Mbps it's a real task even for a normal pc, i just threw it there out of curiosity, normal 4k videos with lower bitrate will probly play fine (i hope...).
What i was really interested was the 1080p sample cause that clip is also very high bitrate for a 1080p, looks like the note3 can play it which means i can finally buy a mobile that play many of my high profile videos with 16 ref. frames and 10bit and etc, not even my standalone media player could play that one. Like that can use the mobile as a high end mediaplayer when out at friends house
have a couple more questions ^^:
1 - Now on the note1 when i used the mhl cable on tv i noticed that there was a bit of slow down compared to just playing it on the phone, also the battery discharged like crazy, i wonder if this will be the case on the note3 also?
2 - And, with this new usb3 and mhl2 combo, can we conect a usb otg cable to use an external drive and mhl at the same time? or it's still a no no? Either with a hub or Y-cable or any other method...
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hehe ye, that 4k clip is just an abuse lol at 243Mbps it's a real task even for a normal pc, i just threw it there out of curiosity, normal 4k videos with lower bitrate will probly play fine (i hope...).
What i was really interested was the 1080p sample cause that clip is also very high bitrate for a 1080p, looks like the note3 can play it which means i can finally buy a mobile that play many of my high profile videos with 16 ref. frames and 10bit and etc, not even my standalone media player could play that one. Like that can use the mobile as a high end mediaplayer when out at friends house
have a couple more questions ^^:
1 - Now on the note1 when i used the mhl cable on tv i noticed that there was a bit of slow down compared to just playing it on the phone, also the battery discharged like crazy, i wonder if this will be the case on the note3 also?
2 - And, with this new usb3 and mhl2 combo, can we conect a usb otg cable to use an external drive and mhl at the same time? or it's still a no no? Either with a hub or Y-cable or any other method...
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Unsure about your questions but:
Of course note 3 can play "some" 4k because it records 4k and so plays them back in gallery
Also, how do you acquire your high end vids?
I did notice mx player has an option for hardware decoding 10bit ....
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lol poor thing if it couldn't playback it's own recordings hehe
I'm really not concerned about 4k cause i won't get any 4k media for years i'm sure (as i think maybe the majority of ppl) but curious since the 4k is part of the s800 package... but i bet that even standard 4k bitrates with some encoding gimmicks (which are not hardware supported, since the default video player can't even play this ducks 1080p sample) will be too much for the note3...
Ye, mx player and others can play 10bit, but playing them smooth and artifact free is something that my galaxy note1 and home mediaplayer can't do :/ Such as many of the 10bit anime and high 16 ref frames profiles released nowadays.
Still missing a N9000 test tho
Hope is last thing to die so will wait if somebody can give some positive insight on those mhl and otg things, but i doubt it will happen, don't think it's something that would be on samsung's list of things to do.
the internal memory on these phones or normal desktop computers aren't fast enough to play 240mbps videos unless you have ssd etc... so it is not the chipset's fault but the internal memory's

How to improve Video streaming using upscaling cable

Hi, all just thought I'd share a tip about how to upscale your movies to improve picture quality.
Purchase Seiki U-Vision upscaling HDMI cable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkDG7ofjDo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiki-SU4KC1-SEIKI-U-Vision-Cable/dp/B00IE5C6LO
Side Load your favourite video streaming app onto your FireTV.
Set your FireTV display output to be 720p
Stream movie.
The premise of this assumes that your movie stream is not being shown in 1080p, so instead of just stretching it, you instead direct the video output through the cables onboard upsclaer which fills in missing detail and outputs it again in 1080p.
death_entry said:
Hi, all just thought I'd share a tip about how to upscale your movies to improve picture quality.
Purchase Seiki U-Vision upscaling HDMI cable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkDG7ofjDo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiki-SU4KC1-SEIKI-U-Vision-Cable/dp/B00IE5C6LO
Side Load your favourite video streaming app onto your FireTV.
Set your FireTV display output to be 720p
Stream movie.
The premise of this assumes that your movie stream is not being shown in 1080p, so instead of just stretching it, you instead direct the video output through the cables onboard upsclaer which fills in missing detail and outputs it again in 1080p.
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Hi,
Will this work with any streaming app like Netflix or Amazon Prime Instant Video?
Thanks!
This sounds promising. But would you really have to set your max output to 720p? Couldn't you just leave it set to a max of 1080p? I would think the 720p stuff would look improved, but the 1080p wouldn't look any different.
Anybody else try one of these gizmos? I'd love to hear more feedback on 'em.
Normally those cheap upscalers do not improve the picture quality in fact it´s even getting worse due to the simple resizing than using the original output size and let the TV do the upscaling with their more advanced chipset upscalers. There might be also some HDCP problems since those cables are working as additional component in the HDCP handshake chain. I suggest to look for some user critics for e.g. on amazon. I personally wouldn´t buy one.
I actually have one of these cables, which does have its own dedicated upscaling hardware you can google lots of positive reviews about them...
As for improving quality the point of downsizing the resolution to 720p of the firetv is that it then matches the resolution of lower quality streams. This then will run all video being output through the upscaler no matter what you are playing.
Ofc there's no point trying to upscale a 1080p stream back to 1080p.
Running the Fire TV through at 1080p would upscale it to 4K
From my own testing the cable did convert the video back to 1080p with picture quality improvements (note I was not watching a 1080p video in the first Instance)
I think it's intriguing enough to give it a whirl, especially if you get it off Amazon and can return it easily enough if the performance is sub-par. But looks like Amazon's sold out of 'em this week (though you can buy it for a bit more $ from a third-party vendor).
Raymondo17 said:
I think it's intriguing enough to give it a whirl, especially if you get it off Amazon and can return it easily enough if the performance is sub-par. But looks like Amazon's sold out of 'em this week (though you can buy it for a bit more $ from a third-party vendor).
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At least they are on back order from amazon for £30, mine came pretty quick...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00IE5C6LO/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Yeah I mean the general premise is that you take your crappy looking 720p online movie stream and then force it through the upscaler to improve the quality along the way to it being converted to 1080p...
The reason why you set the the FireTV also to 720p as it will then trigger the upscaling upto 1080p... otherwise all you're normally doing is watching a 720p movie but just stretched to a 1080p resolution which looks even worse
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I'm yet to find a side by side comparison online to see if it really does improve the quality as all of the reviews are focused on the upscaling to 4K which do seem to look razer sharp...
I would have done one myself but I don't currently have a camera tripod to make sure im taking a picture from the exact same perspective each time... You would also need a hdmi switcher so you can easily change between hdmi cables.... but tbh its not alot of money and worth a punt
Just from a purely subjective standpoint, do you feel like you're seeing a definite improvement in picture quality?
We watched Rio 2 last night in 720p and it looked like dog doo.
Hey, death_entry, could you tell me how long the USB cable is? I'm assuming it attaches to the main HDMI cable at some point, and I need to know just how long it is. I don't have a USB port on my television, so I'd have to power the cable from somewhere else -- either the FireTV's USB port, my new TiVo OTA unit (which has two USB ports), or perhaps something like an iPhone USB charger, where I plug it into the wall and maybe run a USB extension cord to the U-Vision cable. Hopefully one of the above would provide adequate power for the U-Vision to do its thing.

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