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HDMI quality is garbage so far...against hdmi 1.3

I picked up a Molex micro hdmi cable and have tested it against my 20" 720p Sceptre, my 37" 1080P Sceptre, 43" 1080P Sceptre and several 1080P monitors at my place of work...all with same results.
Picture is pixellated, "choppy" and it seems phone can't keep up.
I am sending 720P videos created with phone (I set it to 720p) and can see that ALL the tvs receive as 720p signal...yet image quality is so poor it's borked.
All of these TVs were hdmi 1.3 I believe...is this solely an hdmi 1.4 issue?
Loving my Evo except hdmi is fubar. I have a few days left on eval and may return it if this feature is truly not appropriate for phone (due to cpu issue).
I am perfectly willing to wait for g'bread if this will make a difference.
What's the deal here?

Check it against a better TV. Those Scepters just don't use the same quality as say even a Visio, let alone a Sony or Samsung.

Worked wonderfully for my brother's 46" LG LCD

So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha

I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?

sceptre is the same quality as visio hate to break it to you. plays properly on my 32" samsung.

gqstatus0685 said:
I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?
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No
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Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.

P_Dub_S said:
Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.
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Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?

thegame3202 said:
So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha
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Actually they were purchased at CostCo several years ago and price compared to that of others sets for most part. I wasn't aware costCo sold crap brands...not my experience with them.
Odd that my blu-ray, cable box and other hi-def input sources play beautifully on my sceptres and only the HTC has issues. Sceptre's now the problem? Hmmm...

Time to run by Fry's and see what works and what doesn't.

To those who are getting a stunning picture via hdmi...are your sets hdmi 1.4 protocol?

mklein said:
Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?
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What I'm saying is the videos you record using the phones camcorder are encoded at a low bitrate making them look like ****. HDMI output is only as good as the source quality.

I suggest you read this as well since you seem to think that HDMI revisions automatically mean improved video quality.
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#12

The problem isn't the Evo or your TV, it's your source material. The 720p from the camcorder is compressed so much that it doesn't look that good.
Encode a movie using a high bitrate (somewhere around 5000), and it'll look good. Just like mine do.

Dude, I was kidding. lol

What about streaming videos from something like mPlayer? Those also look like sh*t, as the OP mentioned. Is that a tv problem or is that a "bitrate" problem?

Thanks for the help all.
After installing handbrake to convert some trailers I am finally seeing a not-so-****ty picture. The whole re-encoding thing bites hard though. Who really has time to convert all their **** or even wants to do it selectively? I know I don't.
The fact that the device isn't capable of creating its own hdmi content is pretty bad and somewhat misleading: 720P on vidcam app during record....720P hdmi signal out per notification window...sounds like a match to me!
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)

where are you guys getting your HDMI cables? last time I checked monoprice didn't stock them.

mklein said:
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)
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Agree. The hdmi out is wasted space on this phone. If it worked, this thing would be the hub of my media center! Especially with stuff like JetFlix streaming in crisp hi-def to the t.v. But, no. With the quality as-is, I don't see myself ever using it.
I suppose I could encode existing movies for playback, but why would I use my phone to store them? I'd just burn a dvd or bring a external hard drive. At that point, I'd just be using my phone to watch them on a plane or something, and you don't need an HDMI port for that.
But this isn't a dealbreaker for me. I still love the phone.

Best 1080p video to show off screen on SGS2

I was just thinking now that the phone should be hitting people's hands soon, it would be good to discuss the best 1080p video to have on the phone when you get the inevitable question from others such as what is the screen like? Or How is it playing movies?
Does anyone have links to stunning videos that we can download and use?
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digitaldw said:
I was just thinking now that the phone should be hitting people's hands soon, it would be good to discuss the best 1080p video to have on the phone when you get the inevitable question from others such as what is the screen like? Or How is it playing movies?
Does anyone have links to stunning videos that we can download and use?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWh9QHCRdZg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCTK7DEEJk&feature=related

I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.

dhruvmalik said:
I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.
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That is exactly it!
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dhruvmalik said:
I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.
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Here it is a little
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQN2hG7z0g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xbzXbCj_aw&feature=related

A blu-ray rip of any Pixar movie.

drleospaceman said:
A blu-ray rip of any Pixar movie.
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or Avatar, Benjamin Button, Inception etc.

this is the most stupid thread of all time

virussnake said:
this is the most stupid thread of all time
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lol, looking at youtube "not" HD movies to see if the HD movie on the phone looks ok

This is a very bad example, to trully show the screen quality the videos should be converted at the max resolution of the screen.
Puting bigger resolution videos than the max native screen res will result in pixelation, because the phone then has to convert the video in realtime which is a much worse conversion than first doing it with a decent software and then displaying it on the screen without need for picture rescaling.

TheWarKeeper said:
This is a very bad example, to trully show the screen quality the videos should be converted at the max resolution of the screen.
Puting bigger resolution videos than the max native screen res will result in pixelation, because the phone then has to convert the video in realtime which is a much worse conversion than first doing it with a decent software and then displaying it on the screen without need for picture rescaling.
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a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.

kreoXDA said:
a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.
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indeed, ppl see "HD" on screens or phones these days and automatically think it means the screen has 1920*1080resolution

kreoXDA said:
a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.
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not to be a **** but isn't 480i standard resolution and 480p the first step towards hd? again could be completely daft but that's my understanding.
like i = interleaved, p = progressive
thus
p > i ?

teh_pwnage said:
not to be a **** but isn't 480i standard resolution and 480p the first step towards hd? again could be completely daft but that's my understanding.
like i = interleaved, p = progressive
thus
p > i ?
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I would call 480i an interface, not a resolution.
Most standard DVDs (and all modern standard DVDs) have video on them with 480 lines of resolution (480p). Some earlier DVD players (like from 10-15 years ago) could only send that 480 lines of data to TV interleaved (240 lines one frame, 240 next frame). All modern DVDs connected with component or HDMI send the unaltered 480p to the TV.
In phones, you use progressive by design (every frame is shown as full 480 lines of picture)
When you take a 1080p bluray and send that 1080p video to phone straight away, your phone will downconvert 1080p to 480p to show on a 480x800 screen. That downconversion process will produce WORSE resulting picture than a studio-cut original 480p standard DVD.

kreoXDA said:
I would call 480i an interface, not a resolution.
Most standard DVDs (and all modern standard DVDs) have video on them with 480 lines of resolution (480p). Some earlier DVD players (like from 10-15 years ago) could only send that 480 lines of data to TV interleaved (240 lines one frame, 240 next frame). All modern DVDs connected with component or HDMI send the unaltered 480p to the TV.
In phones, you use progressive by design (every frame is shown as full 480 lines of picture)
When you take a 1080p bluray and send that 1080p video to phone straight away, your phone will downconvert 1080p to 480p to show on a 480x800 screen. That downconversion process will produce WORSE resulting picture than a studio-cut original 480p standard DVD.
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alright that's just how I understood it... that and an xbox 360 running on my old 32 inch tube tv won't give me a resolution higher then 480i lol
Edit: another question though... does 480 lines necessarily mean it's 480p? I though it also had something to do with the post processing done on the monitor as well?

teh_pwnage said:
alright that's just how I understood it... that and an xbox 360 running on my old 32 inch tube tv won't give me a resolution higher then 480i lol
Edit: another question though... does 480 lines necessarily mean it's 480p? I though it also had something to do with the post processing done on the monitor as well?
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If your TV is capable of physically addressing 480 lines on the screen, it DOES have resolution of 480. However if the circuitry can only produce those 480 lines in two passes by 240 lines, each pass showing every other line, then you are seeing 480i picture.
CRT TVs where a ray is used to quickly draw every single line, and that ray is not quick enough to draw 480 lines for every single frame, it would use 480i to show half frame each time.
480 lines for each frame are stored on your DVD. If you connect DVD player to TV with a composite cable you can only pass 480i signal. Same if your TV can only accept composite, or produce interlaced picture.for any reasons (see CRT example above).
With phones, you are not passing signal over any cables, and LCD/oled screens have enough power in the hardware to show all 480 lines at each frame. So you always use P in phones for videos.

kreoXDA said:
If your TV is capable of physically addressing 480 lines on the screen, it DOES have resolution of 480. However if the circuitry can only produce those 480 lines in two passes by 240 lines, each pass showing every other line, then you are seeing 480i picture.
CRT TVs where a ray is used to quickly draw every single line, and that ray is not quick enough to draw 480 lines for every single frame, it would use 480i to show half frame each time.
480 lines for each frame are stored on your DVD. If you connect DVD player to TV with a composite cable you can only pass 480i signal. Same if your TV can only accept composite, or produce interlaced picture.for any reasons (see CRT example above).
With phones, you are not passing signal over any cables, and LCD/oled screens have enough power in the hardware to show all 480 lines at each frame. So you always use P in phones for videos.
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True but i would like to add that 480i not a simple limitation of CRT, there are hundreds of CRT out there who display resolution of 2048x1536.
The main problem was the bandwidth of the cables themselves and not by the CRT technology.
The 480i is indeed long gone, it was used when analog signals were simply not prepared to output such a high definition, therefor to overcome that situation, tvs were made with an interlaced technology, basically displaying the same frame twice on different vlines of the screen, giving you the illusion that the image was beying displayed at a bigger resolution, even though it wasnt.
So he is correct when he says 480p as a more standard resolution than 480i, especially since we live in 2011 now and Interlaced imo is not really a true resolution.
Think of 1280*720p vs 1920*1080i, alot of ppl would prefer 1280*720p over the interlaced especially since lcds cant handle interlaced outputs as good as crts can.

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I'd just like to point out that I'm not completely retarded.... hell I'm a Computer Systems Engineering Student (what would happen if Electronics Engineering and Software Engineering had a kid) I know how CRT works lol I was just asking out of clarification no need to make a guy feel dumb

teh_pwnage said:
I'd just like to point out that I'm not completely retarded.... hell I'm a Computer Systems Engineering Student (what would happen if Electronics Engineering and Software Engineering had a kid) I know how CRT works lol I was just asking out of clarification no need to make a guy feel dumb
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i dont know how we made you feel dumb, youve asked a question, weve answeared it unbiased, with facts, thats all.

1080p hdmi out...

I thought 3.1 Will bring 1080p hdmi support....but no...it didn't.....thrn I thought 4.010.40 will bring it(as per the changelog)....but still the same.....is everyone having the same issue or my tab exceptionly shows only 720p...!?
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Running .40 version and 1080p hdmi out works but it is not smooth at all. It plays normally for a while then the picture pauses for a second then continue this behavour randomly.
Remember to play 1080 video file, so it will automatically switch from 720 to 1080.

Ooh interesting.
I'm not too surprised if the tablet can't decode 1080p but do other stuff work ok with 1080p output?
ie how does it work?
Does the external screen act like a second screen running at 1080 resolution?
I'm more interested in 'normal' apps like QuickOffice or more importantly, RDP running at .. well, whatever resolution this thing can output at... 1920x1080?

MrBoingy said:
Ooh interesting.
I'm not too surprised if the tablet can't decode 1080p but do other stuff work ok with 1080p output?
ie how does it work?
Does the external screen act like a second screen running at 1080 resolution?
I'm more interested in 'normal' apps like QuickOffice or more importantly, RDP running at .. well, whatever resolution this thing can output at... 1920x1080?
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Unfortunately, they didn't put much thought into this (probably Nvidia's lack of foresight). The HDMI will only push 1080p video when playing a 1080p source, which it is hardly capable of doing. All other times it will be 720p.

What's the point in that?
I can only assume that app developers will be able to specify what resolution their apps can output in.
eg RDP app devs can allow the app to output at 1920x1080... and NOT mirror the tablet screen.
Or maybe Angry Birds to be in full screen, rather than having to scroll sideways.
Surely it's not purely for video which it can't play anyway.
Just plugged mine into an external screen and I can't figure out a way to demo this new feature whatsoever.
Unless this update is for .40 only.. I only got updated to .38 this morning.

MrBoingy said:
What's the point in that?
I can only assume that app developers will be able to specify what resolution their apps can output in.
eg RDP app devs can allow the app to output at 1920x1080... and NOT mirror the tablet screen.
Or maybe Angry Birds to be in full screen, rather than having to scroll sideways.
Surely it's not purely for video which it can't play anyway.
Just plugged mine into an external screen and I can't figure out a way to demo this new feature whatsoever.
Unless this update is for .40 only.. I only got updated to .38 this morning.
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I believe .38 and .40 are the same....its just the different regions....
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duongla said:
Running .40 version and 1080p hdmi out works but it is not smooth at all. It plays normally for a while then the picture pauses for a second then continue this behavour randomly.
Remember to play 1080 video file, so it will automatically switch from 720 to 1080.
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Are you sure you were playing 1080p baseline-profile, not normal- or high-profile content?

Partially in reply to myself and to duongla: I just tried both with 720p high-profile and 1080p baseline-profile. Both are smooth as butter. Only 1080p non-baseline starts stuttering. As such I'd say he was trying to play non-baseline-1080p video.

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Partially in reply to myself and to duongla: I just tried both with 720p high-profile and 1080p baseline-profile. Both are smooth as butter. Only 1080p non-baseline starts stuttering. As such I'd say he was trying to play non-baseline-1080p video.
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Thanks. Actually I do not know what the profile is. Can you recommend what software to determine video profile ?

duongla said:
Thanks. Actually I do not know what the profile is. Can you recommend what software to determine video profile ?
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No, sorry. I have absolutely no idea what software would do that, all the ones I have only show that it's H.264, they don't show the profile in use at all. Kinda lame. :/

I just bought an HDMI cable to watch netflix on my computer and I have an older HDTV, from 2004. It has HDMI input but it doesn't allow 720p for some reason so I get the little Android dude with the 720p bubble. How can I change the output to 1080i? Is there even a way. I'm running Thor's ICS v96.

FireMedicDave said:
I just bought an HDMI cable to watch netflix on my computer and I have an older HDTV, from 2004. It has HDMI input but it doesn't allow 720p for some reason so I get the little Android dude with the 720p bubble. How can I change the output to 1080i? Is there even a way. I'm running Thor's ICS v96.
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You can't force a resolution, the tablet tries to output whatever the content is. The netflix app will not do 1080i, at least as far as I know. I'd suggest figuring out why your TV won't do 720p. All the 1080i capable TVs I've ever seen could do 720p no problem.
(Also, this may have been better suited in a new thread, you bumped a 7 month old thread)

1080 or 720 are automaticaly swiched

[VIDEO] HDMI Output from the Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7" Tablet

I demonstrate the HDMI output capabilities of the Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7" Tablet. I am very impressed with this feature.
PLEASE NOTE: This video does not do the output justice. Trust me, the color is very accurate and the contrast and saturation are very close to what you see on the tablet's screen. Unfortunately, this video shows the TV as being a little blown out. This is not the case in real life.
Stay tuned for even more videos soon!

I'm getting more and more convinced to buy one, keep the vids coming :]

If the video on the KFHD is only 720p is it outputting 720p or 1080p to the TV?
Do you know if Amazon instant video support 1080p output via KFHD?
Thank you. I'm wondering abouf upgrade from KF to KFHD and 720p v 1080p output would make the difference.

Hello?
If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
Does the processor process at 1080p and downsize to the 720p KFHD or are there two seperate renderings one for tablet and one for HDMI?

Pirub said:
Hello?
If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
Does the processor process at 1080p and downsize to the 720p KFHD or are there two seperate renderings one for tablet and one for HDMI?
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I'm not sure how to determine what the output is. It looks fantastic to me, but I can't give you specifics on whether it is 720p or 1080p. I'll do some further research.

>If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
HDMI output is [email protected] That's what the TV said about the input feed in OP's video.
UI display is undoubtedly upscaled from KFHD's 1280x800 (some top/bottom slice is likely cut off). Video render is likely native 1080p. It's easy to tell: Freeze-frame at a detailed frame and peruse the detail. Compare it to native 1080p playback on your PC. You should be able to see the diff if it's scaled-up 720p--and if you can't, then it's a moot point anyway.
Edit: On second thought, if the video is shown on both KF and TV displays, then it's probably scaled up 720p. To do native 1080p on TV, the KF would need to render two different res simultaneously, which may still be within the 4460's capability, but isn't the most expedient route.
Edit2: From looking at OP's vid again, it looks like KF preserves the entire UI display on HDMI out. So instead of lopping off the extra 80pix and losing part of the status/menu bars, it squishes the 16:10 AR down to TV's 16:9, which is preferable, as you can't normally tell the difference anyway.

e.mote said:
>If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
HDMI output is [email protected] That's what the TV said about the input feed in OP's video.
UI display is undoubtedly upscaled from KFHD's 1280x800 (some top/bottom slice is likely cut off). Video render is likely native 1080p. It's easy to tell: Freeze-frame at a detailed frame and peruse the detail. Compare it to native 1080p playback on your PC. You should be able to see the diff if it's scaled-up 720p--and if you can't, then it's a moot point anyway.
Edit: On second thought, if the video is shown on both KF and TV displays, then it's probably scaled up 720p. To do native 1080p on TV, the KF would need to render two different res simultaneously, which may still be within the 4460's capability, but isn't the most expedient route.
Edit2: From looking at OP's vid again, it looks like KF preserves the entire UI display on HDMI out. So instead of lopping off the extra 80pix and losing part of the status/menu bars, it squishes the 16:10 AR down to TV's 16:9, which is preferable, as you can't normally tell the difference anyway.
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Sounds about right. There is a TINY delay in the TV, so it's possible that is stemming from an independent render from the actual tablet's display. Either way, it sure looked good.

That is what I stated e.mote.
A video was played that was supposedly 1080p. Now the KFHD has to downscale the video to 720p since the resolution of 720p is 1280x720. The KFHD is 1280x800 so it will fit the screen with 80 extra vertical pixels.
1. Either the KFHD is sending the 1080p video output to HDMI before it downscales the resolution
2. The KFHD sends the downscaled resolution to HDMI
3. It has a seperate rendering for both outputs.
reverendkjr: If you could take two pictures of the KDHF playing a video in both 720p and 1080p and compare them we could more easily arrive at a solution.
Thank you.

Pirub said:
That is what I stated e.mote.
A video was played that was supposedly 1080p. Now the KFHD has to downscale the video to 720p since the resolution of 720p is 1280x720. The KFHD is 1280x800 so it will fit the screen with 80 extra vertical pixels.
1. Either the KFHD is sending the 1080p video output to HDMI before it downscales the resolution
2. The KFHD sends the downscaled resolution to HDMI
3. It has a seperate rendering for both outputs.
reverendkjr: If you could take two pictures of the KDHF playing a video in both 720p and 1080p and compare them we could more easily arrive at a solution.
Thank you.
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I don't think that a picture is going to help here. I watched a 720p and a 1080p trailer on the device. They look identical. I could not see any difference at all. I also looked at the TV playing both. There was a definite difference. The 1080p was indeed a lot higher quality.
My conclusion:
On the device, it scales. So it can only play whatever resolution the device can handle. In this case, 1280x800.
The HDMI must have it's own render, because I believe it was definitely playing 1080p on the TV.

>If you could take two pictures of the KDHF playing a video in both 720p and 1080p
You can't take a snapshot of HDMI out. The reason content vendors selected HDMI is that it's a secure path which prevent signals from being captured (read: pirated). There are HDMI recorders, but AFAIK they do analog captures, which means a fidelity loss.
The only sure way to tell is from the eyeball test, which needs to be done firsthand. If you're that worried about it, go to a BestBuy and ask to have the demo model plugged into a TV display, then run a 1080p clip and do the eyeball test yourself.

I apologize if my request was not sufficiently clear. What I meant was a picture of the TV via HDMI out of the KFHD with a lens that captures images with a sufficiently high resolution.
For now, as it is apparent you have, by your testimony, tested via direct visual experience, I will grant that you are correct and that the output of 1080p video is of significantly higher quality compared to that of 720p.
Thank you reverendkjr.

Well I have a cheap router and only a small cable modem from Verizon and I can get Netflix to play what I'd call more than acceptable on the KFHD. However, going to the TV from there, the picture is not even close.
If it was bad on the KFHD I can understand. Does something have to be enabled or maybe it is the cheap cable I picked up from Best Buy that I use with my Acer A500? It works at least so I thought it would be compatible with the KFHD but maybe not good enough.

robertc88 said:
Well I have a cheap router and only a small cable modem from Verizon and I can get Netflix to play what I'd call more than acceptable on the KFHD. However, going to the TV from there, the picture is not even close.
If it was bad on the KFHD I can understand. Does something have to be enabled or maybe it is the cheap cable I picked up from Best Buy that I use with my Acer A500? It works at least so I thought it would be compatible with the KFHD but maybe not good enough.
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You have to check your bandwidth. Since you're on your KFHD it might be difficult.
Netflix 720p requires about 5mbps. You can Google bandwidth test from a PC to check your download speed. If it's less than 5mbps your video won't be 720p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video#World_Wide_Web_HD_resolutions
It looks like Amazon instant is only 720p. Netflix only supports 1080p on certain devices. So much for 1080p.

Cable modem and router to my KFHD I understand about bandwidth and the PQ is very good, BUT I I'm unaware of bandwidth being an issue from KFHD to TV unless I'm mistaken.
I need to read other experiences with this feature and how good or not it is. Something tells me it isn't the cable I'm using either from KFHD to TV.

robertc88 said:
Cable modem and router to my KFHD I understand about bandwidth and the PQ is very good, BUT I I'm unaware of bandwidth being an issue from KFHD to TV unless I'm mistaken.
I need to read other experiences with this feature and how good or not it is. Something tells me it isn't the cable I'm using either from KFHD to TV.
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Well KFHD has less than half the pixels of a 1080p TV and the pixels are much more dense in terms of ppi(pixels per inch). When you view the video on your KFHD through netflix and the stream is less than 720p due to bandwidth constrictions, it is entirely likely that the picture will look fine on your KFHD but inadequate on a larger TV with a much lower pixel density.
If your bandwith is less than 5mbps you won't be viewing HD video through Netflix, it will be SD (standard definition) which won't look good on a HDTV.

Pirub said:
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Well KFHD has less than half the pixels of a 1080p TV and the pixels are much more dense in terms of ppi(pixels per inch). When you view the video on your KFHD through netflix and the stream is less than 720p due to bandwidth constrictions, it is entirely likely that the picture will look fine on your KFHD but inadequate on a larger TV with a much lower pixel density.
If your bandwith is less than 5mbps you won't be viewing HD video through Netflix, it will be SD (standard definition) which won't look good on a HDTV.
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Thanks for the clarification.
I have a Blu Ray player I stream movies from to the TV which is pretty good so not having a great picture from the KFHD to TV isn't the end of the world to me. I don't stream that much really, I just flip in a Blu Ray disc for PQ nirvana.

I picked up a cheap HDMI to HDMI micro cable at Best Buy to test the HDMI out on the Kindle Fire HD (Rockfish)
I tested the HDMI output playing a couple of HD movies from Amazon Prime (True Grit and Into the Wild). Both of these movies look fantastic on the Kindle Fire HD. However, when viewing on the my HDTV's, the quality of the video is not that good. For example: It's not nearly as sharp as an HD program via Direct TV for example. The picture is kind of washed out and not very clear. It looks a lot like SD instead of HD.
I also noticed that the audio is not being output as Dolby Digital 5.1. I was hoping that it was.Has anyone had any luck Dolby 5.1 sound output?
Note: I tried it on 2 TV's (One 50 inch Samsung 1080P Plasma and also on a 37 inch Panasonic 720P Plasma). Similar results on both. Maybe it's the cheap "Rockfish" cable I picked up at Best Buy to test with? Maybe I'm missing a setting somewhere? I was hoping for typical HD quality picture when using the HDMI out. But, I'm not seeing it on my TV's at least. btw....I have charter cable internet (50mbs download speed)....so plenty of speed.

I tried outputting to a smaller Sony HDTV display, 32" instead of my Samsung 40". While better, movies isn't something with my current router and cable modem I will be doing from the KFHD.
I have an Acer A500 which has HDMI interface as well. Maybe I'll try it again as I cannot recall if the pq was any better.
As far as the HDMI cable? I'm still unsure if a higher quality one would make any difference whatsoever given my router and cable modem bandwidth to begin with.
There's always games though. Riptide is lots of fun so a plus for that to my HDTV displays!

robertc88 said:
I tried outputting to a smaller Sony HDTV display, 32" instead of my Samsung 40". While better, movies isn't something with my current router and cable modem I will be doing from the KFHD.
I have an Acer A500 which has HDMI interface as well. Maybe I'll try it again as I cannot recall if the pq was any better.
As far as the HDMI cable? I'm still unsure if a higher quality one would make any difference whatsoever given my router and cable modem bandwidth to begin with.
There's always games though. Riptide is lots of fun so a plus for that to my HDTV displays!
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Thanks for the feedback on the HDTV test. I was really hoping for some better performance for Amazon Instant "HD" video when using HDMI to output to my 50 inch 1080P Plasma. However, based on my testing, the HDMI out on the Kindle Fire HD is something I would never use. At least not for watching Amazon instant "HD" video. I was hoping for something along the lines of what I see when I steam a movie using the Apple TV (really good "HD" picture quality). Still the Amazon instant "HD" video looks great on the Kindle Fire itself & at $199 it's quite the deal. Just wish I had an option to see "quality" Amazon content on my HDTV's (ie without purchasing another device like Roku).

OmgitzFire said:
I'm getting more and more convinced to buy one, keep the vids coming :]
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ok~

How to improve Video streaming using upscaling cable

Hi, all just thought I'd share a tip about how to upscale your movies to improve picture quality.
Purchase Seiki U-Vision upscaling HDMI cable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkDG7ofjDo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiki-SU4KC1-SEIKI-U-Vision-Cable/dp/B00IE5C6LO
Side Load your favourite video streaming app onto your FireTV.
Set your FireTV display output to be 720p
Stream movie.
The premise of this assumes that your movie stream is not being shown in 1080p, so instead of just stretching it, you instead direct the video output through the cables onboard upsclaer which fills in missing detail and outputs it again in 1080p.

death_entry said:
Hi, all just thought I'd share a tip about how to upscale your movies to improve picture quality.
Purchase Seiki U-Vision upscaling HDMI cable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkDG7ofjDo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiki-SU4KC1-SEIKI-U-Vision-Cable/dp/B00IE5C6LO
Side Load your favourite video streaming app onto your FireTV.
Set your FireTV display output to be 720p
Stream movie.
The premise of this assumes that your movie stream is not being shown in 1080p, so instead of just stretching it, you instead direct the video output through the cables onboard upsclaer which fills in missing detail and outputs it again in 1080p.
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Hi,
Will this work with any streaming app like Netflix or Amazon Prime Instant Video?
Thanks!

This sounds promising. But would you really have to set your max output to 720p? Couldn't you just leave it set to a max of 1080p? I would think the 720p stuff would look improved, but the 1080p wouldn't look any different.
Anybody else try one of these gizmos? I'd love to hear more feedback on 'em.

Normally those cheap upscalers do not improve the picture quality in fact it´s even getting worse due to the simple resizing than using the original output size and let the TV do the upscaling with their more advanced chipset upscalers. There might be also some HDCP problems since those cables are working as additional component in the HDCP handshake chain. I suggest to look for some user critics for e.g. on amazon. I personally wouldn´t buy one.

I actually have one of these cables, which does have its own dedicated upscaling hardware you can google lots of positive reviews about them...
As for improving quality the point of downsizing the resolution to 720p of the firetv is that it then matches the resolution of lower quality streams. This then will run all video being output through the upscaler no matter what you are playing.
Ofc there's no point trying to upscale a 1080p stream back to 1080p.
Running the Fire TV through at 1080p would upscale it to 4K
From my own testing the cable did convert the video back to 1080p with picture quality improvements (note I was not watching a 1080p video in the first Instance)

I think it's intriguing enough to give it a whirl, especially if you get it off Amazon and can return it easily enough if the performance is sub-par. But looks like Amazon's sold out of 'em this week (though you can buy it for a bit more $ from a third-party vendor).

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I think it's intriguing enough to give it a whirl, especially if you get it off Amazon and can return it easily enough if the performance is sub-par. But looks like Amazon's sold out of 'em this week (though you can buy it for a bit more $ from a third-party vendor).
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At least they are on back order from amazon for £30, mine came pretty quick...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00IE5C6LO/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Yeah I mean the general premise is that you take your crappy looking 720p online movie stream and then force it through the upscaler to improve the quality along the way to it being converted to 1080p...
The reason why you set the the FireTV also to 720p as it will then trigger the upscaling upto 1080p... otherwise all you're normally doing is watching a 720p movie but just stretched to a 1080p resolution which looks even worse
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I'm yet to find a side by side comparison online to see if it really does improve the quality as all of the reviews are focused on the upscaling to 4K which do seem to look razer sharp...
I would have done one myself but I don't currently have a camera tripod to make sure im taking a picture from the exact same perspective each time... You would also need a hdmi switcher so you can easily change between hdmi cables.... but tbh its not alot of money and worth a punt

Just from a purely subjective standpoint, do you feel like you're seeing a definite improvement in picture quality?
We watched Rio 2 last night in 720p and it looked like dog doo.

Hey, death_entry, could you tell me how long the USB cable is? I'm assuming it attaches to the main HDMI cable at some point, and I need to know just how long it is. I don't have a USB port on my television, so I'd have to power the cable from somewhere else -- either the FireTV's USB port, my new TiVo OTA unit (which has two USB ports), or perhaps something like an iPhone USB charger, where I plug it into the wall and maybe run a USB extension cord to the U-Vision cable. Hopefully one of the above would provide adequate power for the U-Vision to do its thing.