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Is it selfish to not want anyone else to get the 2.1 update?

Dunno if anyone else feels this way too but I can't help feeling that only N1 owners should get the latest and greatest updates since we're the ones carrying the flagship device torch...
It's like buying a Toyota Prius for $23,000 and then Toyota coming out with a hybrid kit for any car for free which seems to cheapen the N1 experience...

ap3604 said:
Dunno if anyone else feels this way too but I can't help feeling that only N1 owners should get the latest and greatest updates since we're the ones carrying the flagship device torch...
It's like buying a Toyota Prius for $23,000 and then Toyota coming out with a hybrid kit for any car for free which seems to cheapen the N1 experience...
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Kinda goes against the whole idea of open source.

Onwards and upwards I say, Android moves forward at a fast pace because it can, not because it has to.

Yes, it's very selfish.

What are you, 12 years old?
EVERY Android device should be on 2.1 by now. I feel bad for those who aren't.

GldRush98 said:
What are you, 12 years old?
EVERY Android device should be on 2.1 by now. I feel bad for those who aren't.
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agreed... my G1 looks at me with a sad face every day...
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GldRush98 said:
What are you, 12 years old?
EVERY Android device should be on 2.1 by now. I feel bad for those who aren't.
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Hey it's not Google's fault.
It's the lazy ass manufacturers who aren't willing to put in the work to upgrade.
The source code for 2.1 has been on the web for months now. Absolutely no one to blame but the lazy ass manufacturers.

You shouldn't be allowed to touch the android market...most of the apps there the author wrote with a G1 (1.6) or Droid (2.0) in mind...Those devices your being selfish about getting a upgrade on are the ones that helped give you 30,000 apps...Devs aren't flocking to the android market because of the horrible 20,000 first week sales of the N1

This makes no sense. What happens when a new phone comes out, all the n1 owners should feel obliged to wait for updates then?

stuff Eclair, I want Froyo! and Gingerbread!

Oh comon guys!
N1 owners are way more important than any random Hero, G1, or Droid customers.
We are the ones that carry Google's flagship device and should be treated accordingly... compared to the other random devices that just have android on it and aren't really Google devices.

I love how the phone is being compared to a Toyota Prius. Good analogy.

Even if all the other android devices get 2.1, its not as if they will all be able to utilize everything unless they have a 1GHz processor - though, while new Android phones are coming out with that constantly, you will have to just deal with everything that is going on in the Android world..
I also believe this thread is kinda weird, honestly I don't see why you would care at all what other Android devices have. You cannot stop progression.

I am perfectly OK with all android devices being upgraded to 2.1 BUT Right after nexus one has been upgraded to android 3.0.

With less Android 2.1 owners, our version of Android will get less attention from devs

We still have top hardware.
Also, the more standardised android is, the more attractive it will be to developers. The more people on 2.1 the better it is for all of us.

Most of the phones will probably be updated to a certain point, but they will first get the updates a long time after we have got it i think, the hardware manufactures and carriers, have to make a profit on their phones, and therefore they cant afford to keep updating them.
As google are responsible for our updates we are in a bit better situation i think, as i dont think that google intention with the nexus one was to make a **** load of money, they wants to show what android is capable of, and i think that the nexus one is the only phone you will get that "real android experince" with.
I choosed the nexus one because of this, so that i could have the newest version of android and not be stuck on 1.5 or something like that.

nevermind....LoL

martinsolsen said:
Most of the phones will probably be updated to a certain point, but they will first get the updates a long time after we have got it i think, the hardware manufactures and carriers, have to make a profit on their phones, and therefore they cant afford to keep updating them.
As google are responsible for our updates we are in a bit better situation i think, as i dont think that google intention with the nexus one was to make a **** load of money, they wants to show what android is capable of, and i think that the nexus one is the only phone you will get that "real android experince" with.
I choosed the nexus one because of this, so that i could have the newest version of android and not be stuck on 1.5 or something like that.
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hardware evolves. Even if the G1 gets Android 2.1, it doesn't have the processing power for Live Wallpapers, Google Earth, etc.
Device manufacturers don't lose out on sales by continuing to support existing devices. If that were the case, you'd never see updated drivers for your pc's graphics card, etc.. Device manufacturers know that people will prefer to buy devices that they believe will get updates.

This is going to sound harsh, but I think all phones (hardware wise) should be left behind, and the N1 should be made the lowest spec. This would make it easier for programmers and devs to make more powerful apps or games, so they don't have to cut back just so a G1 can play it (so the N1 owners miss out)
This would mean Android would Rival the Windows Phone 7 Series (anyone else think that's a stupid name?)
The problem is, Google make money from the advertisements, so they don't really care, they just want to win to make money, so diversification is better for them.

Froyo Android 2.5??

So I was just reading about, Froyo 2.5 will this ever be available for the HERO or would that most likely be on the upcoming EVO?
I was reading about some of the features including the "Portable App Engine"
Using the new Portable App Engine, Android will now be able to run Palm Pre and iPhone applications using a virtual machine.
While the Pre only has about 2,000 applications, Apple’s iPhone is currently the industry leader with 150,000+. iPhone’s best games are very desirable to non-iPhone owners, for example, as they generally offer superior graphics and level of gameplay, that is, until Froyo comes out.
Portable App Engine is a "20%" project started by 2 Google engineers – Joseph Smarr and Ikai Lan – and got its name from Google’s flagship App Engine.
Google is notorious for allowing their engineers to work 20% of their time (1 day a week) developing their own ideas and releasing the most ingenious ones to the public. For example, Gmail, Google News, Orkut, Google Talk, and Google Sky Map were all "20%" projects
Any news When this is becoming available? Or if there is any dev out there with and leaks?

Seriously? We dont even have 2.1 yet. What makes you think 2.5 will be out any time soon??

Wasnt this an April fools joke?

I think the Hero will get FroYo eventually, like 8 months after every other phone does. By then, I will be at least two handsets away from the Hero.
I do happen to have a few Google engineers on speed dial though, let me give them a ring.
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were getting 2.1 we know that, I was just reading about 2.5. I dont think its a joke type in Android 2.5 in google and I was just reading some facts about it and it seems insane that you could run ALL the apps from the iPhone and from the Palm Pre

Darkshneider said:
Wasnt this an April fools joke?
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Yes the Portable app Engine was for April Fools.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...d-2-5-froyo-rom-and-upcoming-features-leaked/

Yeah, thats what I thought.

that sucks!!! lol that sounded pretty DAMN cool thing to be able to do that lol

Lmao, I almost feel bad for not putting up a "this is an April fools joke" note on that page. Almost.

check out this ... android 2.5's Portable App Engine is not a April fool!!!
check this:mobi-solutions.blogspot.com/2010/04/two-powerful-blasts-of-excitements-real.html

FroYo = Android 2.2 not 2.5. It really doesn't matter.
Our phones probably won't handle the app engine any way since everything seems to be going snapdragon. I would like to see a Android Tegra phone my self. but thats besides the point.

wouldnt a virtual app engine running iphone apps somehow be illegal? i dont think apple would let that happen.
that link you posted seemed pretty bogus to me.

also, everyone is aware apple released the sdk for the ipad, right?
aint no stoppin the jockin

mountaindont said:
wouldnt a virtual app engine running iphone apps somehow be illegal? i dont think apple would let that happen.
that link you posted seemed pretty bogus to me.
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It was an April Fools joke...

danknee said:
It was an April Fools joke...
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i am fully aware of this, topeka thought theyd be funny.

danknee said:
It was an April Fools joke...
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i cant stop watching your dancing android
make him to the mocarena(sp?)!!!!!

Kcarpenter said:
FroYo = Android 2.2 not 2.5. It really doesn't matter.
Our phones probably won't handle the app engine any way since everything seems to be going snapdragon. I would like to see a Android Tegra phone my self. but thats besides the point.
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You, sir, are correct. I've heard from reliable sources that 2.2 is in it's testing stage. Also, someone posted pictures on 4chan of a HTC Magic running Froyo.
I'd normally be very skeptical about anything I hear on 4chan, but these look legit. From what I've read, they're going to slow Android core updates to a crawl now that the OS has reached maturity. They are going to put all the Google apps in the market starting with this release. (ie Dialer, Music, Youtube, Gmail etc etc) That'll allow them to update those components individually so people using certain devices won't get stuck using old software for an unreasonable amount of time. *cough*
This'll help reduce the fragmentation issues that have plagued the platform from the get-go.

illogic6 said:
You, sir, are correct. I've heard from reliable sources that 2.2 is in it's testing stage. Also, someone posted pictures on 4chan of a HTC Magic running Froyo.
I'd normally be very skeptical about anything I hear on 4chan, but those look legit.
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I saw these pictures, but never really realized they where from a Magic. Looks like we could possibly run 2.2, but again that portable app engine seems like it wouldn't work well on our phones. Java's mantra of "Write once, run anywhere" doesn't take in to affect the performance of the host machine. Google could prove me wrong, they have before.

What's the download?
OK... so I went to the android police site about froyo. It absolutely sounds way out there, but what is the download they're linking to? Anyone download it to see what it is? I'm kinda scared to thinking that it'll pop up a virus or something but I don't think android police would do that. Would they? Anyone try it?

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OK... so I went to the android police site about froyo. It absolutely sounds way out there, but what is the download they're linking to? Anyone download it to see what it is? I'm kinda scared to thinking that it'll pop up a virus or something but I don't think android police would do that. Would they? Anyone try it?
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It has been tried. Haykuro uploaded it as an April Fool's joke if I remember correctly. I've downloaded it and it looked to be an 80mb junk file.

Ice Cream Sandwich UI leaks

Earlier RootzWiki and AndroidPolice both received leaks from a "extremely reliable source" and they both obtained 2 different pictures of the new Ice Cream Sandwich interface running on the Nexus S.
You can read the whole article here:
http://venturebeat.com/2011/08/11/delicious-android-ice-cream-sandwich-images-leak-online/
Here are the leaks:
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Brand-new launcher and app drawer, with screenshots of both featured exclusively on RootzWiki - with what appears to be a task switcher icon on the homescreen, though it could be something else.
Camera now has a panorama mode (not pictured)
Gmail has been totally re-themed to go with the new OS (not pictured)
Nexus S will be receiving ICS via update, but the "Nexus Prime" will be getting it first
Mostly UI changes - many older devices (< 1 year old) should be able to run it
Personally, I feel like these are fake. However, the AndroidPolice writers were heavily defending the credibility of their source in the comments section of the original post.
My reasons for being skeptical include:
At Google IO, they announced ICS would get a complete UI overhaul. This is the same basic layout we've been seeing for a long time.
The phone icon is the same as from eclair. A phone icon inside a sqaure, while the newest phone icon in gingerbread is just a phone with no square. Why would google use "new" icons for most of gapps but not the phone?
All the icons are the exact same ones from the Honeybread T-Mobile theme (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.gfxandroid.honeybreadtheme&feature=search_result) I'm not sure what the original source of the icons were, but I do know the same icons were "released" way before these leaks.
The signal bar icon is rotated, as is in honeycomb (a tablet thing). The honeybread theme also rotates the signal bar. I don't think google would get rid of the standard bars that's been the same on (as far as I know) every cell phone ever.
To me these just look like a gingerbread build themed with a modified build.prop.
Those are just my 2 cents as of now. There are a couple other things that just don't fit, but then again there are a couple of things that haven't been seen before. I do know that icons can just be used as placeholders when developing and that this is not nearly finished so the final product could (and hopefully) be completely different. What are your opinons?

hmmm... interesting...

why not consider it is still work in progress? at least that is what i would consider it is...

so the same kernel as Gingerbread?

I vote fake as well.
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Nexus one will not be having the ice update I guess.. google apps like google video and music and the new android market is so choppy on the nexus one..
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xzr3b0rnzx said:
Nexus one will not be having the ice update I guess.. google apps like google video and music and the new android market is so choppy on the nexus one..
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I have to disagree. I can't speak for Google video as I don't use it, but Music and the new Market work damn near flawlessly on my device

Not sure of the source of the icons? Have you heard of something called Android 3.0?
Anyway, it looks like the interface is extremely WIP graphics wise, but this definitely seems like the real deal. I just want to know what's going to happen to phones that have softkeys with this release and if ICS phones will have virtual ones as has been speculated.
Also, I feel that the nexus won't be getting an official release of this, especially with the weak GPU.

Fake--
NO real changes, I have blue items in status bar too
That is a Nexus S, this is an N1 thread--
Don't think the N1 could handle ICS--IMHO

rugmankc said:
Don't think the N1 could handle ICS--IMHO
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lolwhut?
Because you're so experienced with ICS and its requirements?
****ty posts like this are why XDA has turned in to what it is.

GldRush98 said:
lolwhut?
Because you're so experienced with ICS and its requirements?
****ty posts like this are why XDA has turned in to what it is.
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The N1 thus far has been able to handle everything even better than most phones that have come out in the past year. The custom kernels and oses for the N1 are incredible.

GldRush98 said:
****ty posts like this are why XDA has turned in to what it is.
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attacking people like this is what makes this place worse...
Everyone can have his own opinion mate....
Anyways am sure whatever changes are coming will mostly be ported out to our lovely N1 via custom roms thanks to the awesome devs around here!

If wp7 can make good use if the adreno 200, I am pretty sure google can make ics work well on the same gpu.

GldRush98 said:
lolwhut?
Because you're so experienced with ICS and its requirements?
****ty posts like this are why XDA has turned in to what it is.
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Thanks for the mature post
A better comment would have been telling me why it will and educating me not chastising me. It is only an opinion as pointed in my "IMHO" comment. I for one hope it will as I am only into 6 months of a 2 year contract with TMO. Brought the N1 to TMO from another carrier. I should have said that I didn't think it would work thru a normal OTA, but that with devs like Cyanogen, it may. Also, I don't know if anyone knows how much is being changed and if hardware will come into play. If you already know the source code enlighten us. I am no programmer, just a flasher. If this article is accurate it should work and seems to be little changed to a laymen. But, who knows yet?
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2101386/android-ice-cream-sandwich-leaked
Either way, it is my opinion at some point the N1's hardware or internal memory won't handle the newer OS's. ICS may not be that point yet. Hopefully never. We are running sense roms, thanks to folks like evil etc, but not without issues for a lot of folks. Bad blocks seem to hamper the N1 in some of these roms and the touch screen is not the best.
Another thread with varying opinions, albeit two months old--
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1137301
Either way I have thick skin and let's hope it works great
Ken

Don't know if these links have been posted before or their accuracy, but they seem to support our HOPE for ICS and talk about Nexus Prime. If this is old news sorry! Two pages.
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/compa..._nexus_one_vs_google_nexus_prime_rumours.html

If that's ics than its atrocious.
This will be the third straight dud out of Google.
I can't fathom "most work we've put into a release" and "total ui overhaul" result in that.
Seriously if that's real might as well hand over the reigns to crapple.

Quick thought,
Where it says android version, instead of sayin ICS shouldnt it say 2.4? To me it looks like somesones just recolored and renamed bits of CM7 I reckon this is fake but i guess we'll just have to wait and see

Good Point
But, maybe they haven't finalized a version number yet. Would think they would have though.
Trying to remember if GB leaks had number or said Gingerbread.

rugmankc said:
Good Point
But, maybe they haven't finalized a version number yet. Would think they would have though.
Trying to remember if GB leaks had number or said Gingerbread.
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Shouldnt be that hard to track down. Since every single android release has had "leaks". Im sure whoever did this would have done that as well (if it were fake)

Agreed, having ICS means nothing
But, all I remember on pics is 2.3--
or, the GR122 or whatever the number is. It dosen't show on the MIUI rom I am on atm. Think it does on Cyan.
Either way after further research and faith in Cyan, I think we may see ICS on the N1. Unless some new info comes out. It would be nice because GB has reached it's wow factor to me at this time.
Flashing was more exciting 6-12 months ago

I guess we know why Google didn't hype the Nexus 6

There wasn't even enough stock to last 60 seconds without any marketing or hoopla. Imagine the clusterf*** this would have been with any pre-launch festivities. As a potential purchaser, I'm extremely disappointed with Google & Motorola over this launch.

NextNexus said:
There wasn't even enough stock to last 60 seconds without any marketing or hoopla. Imagine the clusterf*** this would have been with any pre-launch festivities. As a potential purchaser, I'm extremely disappointed with Google & Motorola over this launch.
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Every year, the same thing. This is a Nexus folks...this happens EVERY YEAR. I don't understand the disappointment when it has been happening EVERY YEAR. Reliable as a clock.

I don't really think it was sold out in less than 60 seconds. I placed my order around 10:40 PST which seemed to be at least 25 minutes after people are saying they were taking pre-orders. I just had to refresh the page for a couple minutes until one was available. If I had to guess, I'd say there is some manual process of adding the phones to the system that makes it feel like they are out of stock. Though, in either case, it is a poor user experience...

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Every year, the same thing. This is a Nexus folks...this happens EVERY YEAR. I don't understand the disappointment when it has been happening EVERY YEAR. Reliable as a clock.
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This was by far the worse year ever and I've gotten every Nexus device previously on launch. n4 comes in 2nd.

wideasleep1 said:
Every year, the same thing. This is a Nexus folks...this happens EVERY YEAR. I don't understand the disappointment when it has been happening EVERY YEAR. Reliable as a clock.
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False. I picked up two Nexus 5's with ease.

andyshinn said:
I don't really think it was sold out in less than 60 seconds. I placed my order around 10:40 PST which seemed to be at least 25 minutes after people are saying they were taking pre-orders. I just had to refresh the page for a couple minutes until one was available. If I had to guess, I'd say there is some manual process of adding the phones to the system that makes it feel like they are out of stock. Though, in either case, it is a poor user experience...
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I think 32GB lasted a bit longer but I refreshed the 64GB models literally every 10 seconds and didn't get an option to order even once.

They screwed up their production forecast again. LOL

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This was by far the worse year ever and I've gotten every Nexus device previously on launch. n4 comes in 2nd.
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As I have succeeded, since the N1. Persistence does pay off, but it's very tempting to avoid XDA during this time, due to all the crying that comes along with it. Tantrums solve nothing, 'it is what it is'. UPS Logistics will pull their usual stunts and everyone will be glued to their screens, upset someone who ordered two days AFTER them are getting their phones...it goes on and on and on...

If I wasnt on these forums I would have no idea there was a problem. I randomly hit refresh and it was available so I grabbed one. Turns out I was one of the lucky few.
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I think 32GB lasted a bit longer but I refreshed the 64GB models literally every 10 seconds and didn't get an option to order even once.
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I was refreshing at the time. I clicked once, and it was "coming soon." Immediate 2nd refresh was "Out of Stock". Less than 1 second between refreshes. I'm thinking there's something wrong with the site. That makes more sense to me than selling out in less than a second.

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False. I picked up two Nexus 5's with ease.
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Some did (I did too), some didn't...happy to oblige you with threads if you want proof, better still look it up yourself.

jt3 said:
I was refreshing at the time. I clicked once, and it was "coming soon." Immediate 2nd refresh was "Out of Stock". Less than 1 second between refreshes. I'm thinking there's something wrong with the site. That makes more sense to me than selling out in less than a second.
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This is exactly what happened for me. I never had an option to buy any model

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This is exactly what happened for me. I never had an option to buy any model
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I had the option to buy once...by the time the "Add to Cart" page forward processed...gone.

How many N6s were there? 10?
Just. Wow.

No silly, there was 11!

hehehe

dynamo147 said:
No silly, there was 11!
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No more than that 12 I reckon.
For whatever you think of them at least Apple seem to have more of a clue with handling this kind of thing.

Super Chimp said:
No more than that 12 I reckon.
For whatever you think of them at least Apple seem to have more of a clue with handling this kind of thing.
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Yeah it's nuts! I mean I know this is a pre-order so there is obviously going to be a somewhat limited availability but Google should know how their Nexus customers are (we are usually in the know) and are more likely to pre-order if we have the chance than to regularly order when its on full launch.
If the mobile carriers wanted more stock for themselves, then make sure Moto gets to pump out more phones so that all supply sources can be happy!

dynamo147 said:
Yeah it's nuts! I mean I know this is a pre-order so there is obviously going to be a somewhat limited availability but Google should know how their Nexus customers are (we are usually in the know) and are more likely to pre-order if we have the chance than to regularly order when its on full launch.
If the mobile carriers wanted more stock for themselves, then make sure Moto gets to pump out more phones so that all supply sources can be happy!
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You can bet your pre-order funds Google does know.
It is called milking publicity by artificially creating scarcity.

dynamo147 said:
Yeah it's nuts! I mean I know this is a pre-order so there is obviously going to be a somewhat limited availability but Google should know how their Nexus customers are (we are usually in the know) and are more likely to pre-order if we have the chance than to regularly order when its on full launch.
If the mobile carriers wanted more stock for themselves, then make sure Moto gets to pump out more phones so that all supply sources can be happy!
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I'm just happy they didn't jump on this 'Invite' bandwagon on this...OnePlus and heck even Google Inbox are poster children at this point...

Android Updates broken even with the nexus line

So I have a Nexus (6) device, and i thought that if i get a nexus device i will receive updates the day that they are released. It's been 2 days and i still can't update my phone to the latest version. I'm not talking about OTA here, I'm talking about factory images that are not released yet. 3 phones google has to update, 3 phones that they made!! 3 and they can't even manage that? It's pathetic really, this is the last nail in the coffin for me, after 6 years of being an android fan i will switch to ios and buy the iPhone 7. Honestly i cant wait for my phone to get updates when they are released and to be supported for 4 years!

be patient my friend

I dont like it either but buying an iphone?

Surprised 2 days of waiting so far makes you this angry... I mean I could understand the anger at waiting over a week but 2 days? Wow...
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Since they never announced a release date, you can't really say they're 2 days late. Unlike iOS each phone is different hardware from a different manufacturer. If you'd feel better they could be like Apple and push the release back till all their devices are ready. Which is all and good, till the shoe is on the other foot and your devices' update is ready and you're left waiting for the other devices.

Not saying you rant post is cool just commenting that this might be the strangest roll out so far. Usually they have them all at once. It's a little weird. Gotta say even apple beats them at this

I'd rather wait a week after rollout to get a fully cooked update rather than an immediate update that drains my battery in 1hr or turns my phone into a paperweight.
Patience. If you're so eager just install the Dev Beta. and play with that until the update comes out.

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vladtdr said:
So I have a Nexus (6) device, and i thought that if i get a nexus device i will receive updates the day that they are released. It's been 2 days and i still can't update my phone to the latest version. I'm not talking about OTA here, I'm talking about factory images that are not released yet. 3 phones google has to update, 3 phones that they made!! 3 and they can't even manage that? It's pathetic really, this is the last nail in the coffin for me, after 6 years of being an android fan i will switch to ios and buy the iPhone 7. Honestly i cant wait for my phone to get updates when they are released and to be supported for 4 years!
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Enjoy your dumb iPhone
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It's normal for the tablets to be first, if you noticed, it was WiFi only devices that have nougat (Pixel C, Nexus 9 wifi etc). Give it time, and we'll all have it.

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refthemc said:
Not saying you rant post is cool just commenting that this might be the strangest roll out so far. Usually they have them all at once. It's a little weird. Gotta say even apple beats them at this
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Second maybe. Remember the MM rollout with the new factory image every other day situation? For awhile there nobody had any clue why there were multiple different MM images. Every time i installed an image it seemed like a new one was up as soon as i finished. When it was confirmed it was for different carrier tweaks it all made more sense, maybe they are trying to avoid that this time around.

Ask SAMSUNG fanatics how long they wait to get the new OS. ?
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I am only guessing but perhaps there is a bug in the final release. Maybe something they are working on before we get it. I would rather wait a few days if that be the case.
The preview 5 is fairly close to the final version so there won't be much changes. (I have a Nexus Player and it has already updated. Frankly the only change I noted was the Beta program warning not there anymore.)

Hopefully you won't have to wait too much longer.
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