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Serious question...

What makes the nexus 7 better than something like this:
http://www.futeko.com/products/TAB019.php
The nexus has more cores but the above is clocked higher. Anyone care to enlighten me?
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Core clock speeds don't really have a huge impact on performance. At this stage, I think more people need to learn that cores+clocks =/= performance (look at AMD processors vs Intel). Either way, the Tegra 3 is one of the most powerful ARM CPU's available, and will smash any dual-core processor besides the Qualcomm S4. It doesn't even matter if this one is clocked at 1.2/1.3 instead of 1.5, the performance output it similar. Just saves more power.
On top of that, the tablet you listed has the generic 1024x600 resolution, which is a much lower ppi than the 1280x800 of the Nexus 7.

Shorter battery life, lower resolution, probably heavy and cheaply made, not google product so (probably) wont get Jelly Bean

Plus no project butter, and anything made by a non Google affiliate is lacking in the software department.
Any noob can make a rom but it probably won't work as well as cm9.
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Another thing to add would be support, whether that ve from google or developers. That is a massive positive which can never be underestimated. The future is very bright for the nexus 7.
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billy no name tablet vs a Google nexus there is no comparison

The screen Res and quality, battery life, quad cores, user support, build quality, mali400 is old (still fast I guess) lower clocked ram ( nexus has 1333mhz I very much doubt that tab has anything near that speed), less interest from rom makers, slower updates to the Android OS. list is endless.
edit, that cheap tabs ppi is 170 nexus is a lot higher and it has no Bluetooth or GPS

So, n7 wins in almost every way besides cost and perhaps storage.
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MrJESUSatWork said:
So, n7 wins in almost every way besides cost and perhaps storage.
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all those extra upgrades and Google support is well worth the extra £60 or so.n7 rapes that pos

And no GPS!

Next Nexus?

I realize no ones gotten a retail unit yet but how does everyone feel about the phone not having a truly next gen chip? Cortex A15 would've been boss battery wise. Chime in
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nexom said:
I realize no ones gotten a retail unit yet but how does everyone feel about the phone not having a truly next gen chip? Cortex A15 would've been boss battery wise. Chime in
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It is based on A15,
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/09...pro-is-the-best-chip-out-there-heres-why.html
The Snapdragon S4 Pro from Qualcomm is coming to market with power in all the right places, for one, it’s running 4 cores at 1.5Ghz and when these cores are Cortex-A15 cores then you know this thing is going to be crazy fast.
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chrisjcks said:
It is based on A15,
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/09...pro-is-the-best-chip-out-there-heres-why.html
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That website is false. S4 pro's are based on Krait processors which merely have some architectural similarities to the A15.
Kraits are much better than A9's butThe A15 pretty much blows the Kraits to smithereens.
Having said that - and putting aside heat/throttling issues - The Quad Krait + Adreno 320 combo is quite a bit better than anything out there, enough to be termed "next gen" IMO.

omersak said:
That website is false. S4 pro's are based on Krait processors which merely have some architectural similarities to the A15.
Kraits are much better than A9's butThe A15 pretty much blows the Kraits to smithereens.
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Its still based off a15, they have just adapted it.
Just likes apples dual core A6 processor, its a15 but adapted by apple to their needs.
So whilst they ain't true a15 based processors, both the s4pro and A6 are still based on
A15 architecture. (but adapted......)
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chrisjcks said:
Its still based off a15, they have just adapted it.
Just likes apples dual core A6 processor, its a15 but adapted by apple to their needs.
So whilst they ain't true a15 based processors, both the s4pro and A6 are still based on
A15 architecture. (but adapted......)
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No
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I'd rather they work on heat and batteries before SoC's...

omersak said:
That website is false. S4 pro's are based on Krait processors which merely have some architectural similarities to the A15.
Kraits are much better than A9's butThe A15 pretty much blows the Kraits to smithereens.
Having said that - and putting aside heat/throttling issues - The Quad Krait + Adreno 320 combo is quite a bit better than anything out there, enough to be termed "next gen" IMO.
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chrisjcks said:
Its still based off a15, they have just adapted it.
Just likes apples dual core A6 processor, its a15 but adapted by apple to their needs.
So whilst they ain't true a15 based processors, both the s4pro and A6 are still based on
A15 architecture. (but adapted......)
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A better way to look at it is that the Krait (S4 Pro) and Cortex-A15 processors are both based on the same architecture, which is ARMv7. Neither one is anything completely new, since many of the latest SoC's have built around ARMv7, but neither one has made the next step up to v8.
In general I would say that the Cortex series are better than the S series spec-wise. For example, Krait has an smaller pipeline (11 vs 15) and half the cache of the A15 (16kB + 16 kB L1, 2mB L2 vs 32 kB + 32 kB L1, 4 mB L2), but a larger pipeline and cache don't always make something better.
I think its fair to say that the Krait is like A15's little brother. Maybe not as powerful, but from the same powerful family.

Ryukeima said:
A better way to look at it is that the Krait (S4 Pro) and Cortex-A15 processors are both based on the same architecture, which is ARMv7. Neither one is anything completely new, since many of the latest SoC's have built around ARMv7, but neither one has made the next step up to v8.
In general I would say that the Cortex series are better than the S series spec-wise. For example, Krait has an smaller pipeline (11 vs 15) and half the cache of the A15 (16kB + 16 kB L1, 2mB L2 vs 32 kB + 32 kB L1, 4 mB L2), but a larger pipeline and cache don't always make something better.
I think its fair to say that the Krait is like A15's little brother. Maybe not as powerful, but from the same powerful family.
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Yeah, that's what I was saying.
But the OP is saying its not next gen, yet this is the most powerfull mobile cpu/gpu available for Google.....
What else could you ask for?
True a15 based cpus won't be entering phones for about 6 months, right?
Delay the nexus till then?
LOL
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This Chrisjcks guy is easily the biggest/most annoying Google fanboy on this site. How about keeping your mouth shut when you don't understand something? Go visit Mountainview, and tell them how much you love them instead of spewing your ignorance here please.

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This Chrisjcks guy is easily the biggest/most annoying Google fanboy on this site. How about keeping your mouth shut when you don't understand something? Go visit Mountainview, and tell them how much you love them instead of spewing your ignorance here please.
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PMSL
Your still bitter because everyone told you what a retard you were for wanting to buy a phone you don't like.
You come on here, *****ing and moaning about the Nexus 4 and all the things you hate about it - yet you say you 'have to' buy one because you already sold your galaxy nexus.
Who in their right mind, would not only sell their device for a phone they don't like, but then also moan about it on a forum and STILL go ahead and buy it.
You-are-seriously-retarded.
Ill say it again, XDA is not a forum for you to troll, ***** and moan about a device.
Go cry elsewhere.
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chrisjcks said:
PMSL
Your still bitter because everyone told you what a retard you were for wanting to buy a phone you don't like.
You come on here, *****ing and moaning about the Nexus 4 and all the things you hate about it - yet you say you 'have to' buy one because you already sold your galaxy nexus.
Who in their right mind, would not only sell their device for a phone they don't like, but then also moan about it on a forum and STILL go ahead and buy it.
You-are-seriously-retarded.
Ill say it again, XDA is not a forum for you to troll, ***** and moan about a device.
Go cry elsewhere.
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Not once did I say that I "hate" this device. I'm just not as ignorant and oblivious to its flaws as a fanboy like yourself. I love this phone, and I can't wait to get it, but I'm openly willing to talk about its problems Fanboys ---------->

Will you two please cut it out this is no place for your bickering.
Thank you

Nexus 4 is still a significant improvement over the Gnex. I've enjoyed my Gnex but plan to purchase the Nexus 4. Hardware is improved and the price is right. Time will tell if the battery life is a major issue (I did upgrade my Gnex battery to 2000mah). The nexus line is a developers phone and is not intended to blow the doors off the competition.

Snapdragon 600 vs Snapdragon S4 Pro

Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...

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The S4 Pro and the Snapdragon 600 are basically the same chip. The model number is almost identical (APQ8064 vs APQ8064T; the Plus, Prime, and 800 all have very different model numbers), same fab process at 28 nm, same L0, L1, and L2 caches, same GPU. The difference is higher clock speed (max 1.7 vs max 1.9 GHz), and potentially a faster/bigger memory channel.
By no means does the S4 Pro instantly become antiquated. Between it and the 600, they're more similar than they are different. The 800 is a different story...
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I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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fredcorp6 said:
Well our snapdragon s4 is now considered "old" which is a bummer! Had to happen at some point tho I suppose. So how does this new chip compare? Does anyone know what's been improved?
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From anandtech:
[snapdragon 600] "This is quad core Krait 300 (as opposed to 200 in MSM8960 or APQ8064) which brings a 15 percent increase in IPC as well as higher clocks (from 1.5 to 1.7 GHz), for about 20–30 percent higher overall CPU performance"
20 - 30% So significant but not huge.

fredcorp6 said:
I didn't think there was a big difference either between the 2, however the HTC one with the S600 is getting like 12000 on quadrant compared to the 5000 we get?
How do u explain that? I guess it could just be that quadrant isn't really optimised for our phones and is not giving accurate results.
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I read on snapdragon s4 pro and compare it with spec of snapdragon 600 "the only" difference i got is memory technology, s4pro uses 533MHz LPDDR2 and 600 uses LPDDR3
Edit: our phone not made for benchmark, i read somewhere on google+ someone wrote about it.
Btw nexus is always behind in terms of benchmarking, but if you compare the smoothness even galaxy nexus is still so smooth.
Here is the link https://plus.google.com/u/0/101093310520661581786/posts/Q1yVmqtubG9 its exynos4 saga by one of exynos cm maintainer, but he give a reason why our benchmark not as good as optimus G.
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Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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+1 Please

Exodian said:
Why do people care so much about benchmark scores? Does it really matter? The only test that should matter is your eyeball.
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Well because sometimes its a good way of comparing the performance of 2 phones - unfortunately not the case with a nexus I've just learned. Eyeball is very subjective, benchmarks are not (well they shouldn't be!).
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lol @ benchmarks please welcome to technology soon as you bought the phone it was considered OLD !

But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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S4 Pro is still quick and i can see it being developed in devices for another 2+ years. i would safely assume low end tablets would also start using it when the price of these chips are reduced

Never cared about benchmarks, Even with the PCs I build. I over clock my pcs as much as possible for REAL WORLD usage and as long as they allow me to do everything I want and more and visually everything looks and feels fine and is stable, I'm good to go. Same applies with these phones. The nexus has top of the line internals and stock android allows this phone to be the way it was meant to. Now I have flashed asylum which is awesome, and I have used just about every kernel. I do notice differences in kernels “cough, matrix is the best, cough", but the differences are “seat of the pants" which is a curse in my opinion. Benchmarking stresses components, and at the price of these things why take a chance of shortening its life.
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tuilalnvinh said:
But it is great to have both real smooth and high score benchmark
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benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need

CheesyNutz said:
benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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That is my point right there.
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CheesyNutz said:
benchmarks = just numbers if your phone feels right looks right this is all you need
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My G2x used to get pretty high benchmarks... I hated that phone.
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Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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ksubedi said:
Benchmarks do tell a part of the story. You can't say that a phone that scores barely 1000 on benchmarks is as fast as a phone that scores 5000. The numbers might fluctuate a little but you get the idea. Nexus4 scores pretty good on optimised benchmarks like antutu but doesn't score good on benchmark apps that haven't been updated for two years like quadrant.
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Yeah its my understanding that quadrant is also really easy to spoof
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AW: Snapdragon 600 vs Snapdragon S4 Pro
So far I can see only devices with Android 4.1, or less, score pretty high with Krait cores. We havn't any other phone with 4.2 and snapdragon CPU to compare fairly.

The dual core S3 in my Xperia S doesn't feel any difference to the quad core S4 Pro in my Nexus 4 in every day use so i aint going to lose any sleep.

The number I heard thrown around was 40% faster on paper, or theoretically. Real world applications that may translate to less but still somewhat significant depending on your use case.
The kicker is it seems to still be the Adreno 320, is that higher clocked than the S4 Pro? If not it's pushing more pixels in the HTC One.

Isn't the new N7 the same spec as the N4?

Isn't this just practically the same spec as the N4? Same CPU, same amount of RAM, GPU etc. etc.?

Yes
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With a better display resolution ofc. Is that a good thing or a bad thing for you? Because I think It's awesome to have a tablet like that at this price tag. I'll refresh my Nexus 7 with the new one as soon as I can since it's extremely affordable.

Djabolic said:
With a better display resolution ofc. Is that a good thing or a bad thing for you? Because I think It's awesome to have a tablet like that at this price tag. I'll refresh my Nexus 7 with the new one as soon as I can since it's extremely affordable.
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I have a Nexus 4, no Nexus 7. Have an iPad 3 but want something more portable so don't know if I should get the new N7 or wait for an iPad Mini update. Tied into both ecosystems, but if I go all Android, there's a lot of money wasted on iOS apps.
Also, how do you change names? My girlfriend set this up but doesn't use the account anymore - or is it best to just start a new account?

You can either use multi-user functionality or detach current Google account from tablet and set it up with a new one again.
Nexus 7 is also really portable. It fits into my back pocket and I'm going to everywhere with it without any hassle. iPad 3 in the other hand it's a gigantic device compared to Nexus 7 because it's bigger than 10" and also it has a 4:3 display makes it even more harder to carry around with ease.

Djabolic said:
You can either use multi-user functionality or detach current Google account from tablet and set it up with a new one again.
Nexus 7 is also really portable. It fits into my back pocket and I'm going to everywhere with it without any hassle. iPad 3 in the other hand it's a gigantic device compared to Nexus 7 because it's bigger than 10" and also it has a 4:3 display makes it even more harder to carry around with ease.
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Pretty sure he is referring to his XDA screen name.
Just make a new account, doesn't take long.
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michaelg1030 said:
Pretty sure he is referring to his XDA screen name.
Just make a new account, doesn't take long.
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You could also email the administrator.
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So can one use the Steps to Flash the Android 4.3 Build [Clean FLASH or Retention of Data /w Flash], for the N7? IOW: Will this N4 procedure work on the N7?

xips said:
So can one use the Steps to Flash the Android 4.3 Build [Clean FLASH or Retention of Data /w Flash], for the N7? IOW: Will this N4 procedure work on the N7?
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This thread is discussing the new nexus 7, however many nexus operations are similar, so I don't see why it wouldn't work. Just make sure to use the proper filenames for your device.
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SarahJane89 said:
Also, how do you change names? My girlfriend set this up but doesn't use the account anymore - or is it best to just start a new account?
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You could try asking an admin, but your best bet would be to just create your own account.

I would say yes but this devicenis more capable. I know LG is known for thermal throttling on their mobile phone line. Those constraints won't apply to this new device. Its able to run hotter longer. So even if not stock, once Roms come out, this device/processor can be pushed alot more than in a phone.
Btw, I disabled thermal throttling. On my LG optimus G pro with Snapdragon 600 and Andreno 320. It runs great. So the S4 can be easily pushed past stock limits with no problem.

Eh, its smooth enough. Really no lag at all, but then again, I never had the 1st Nexus 7, so I don't know if that lagged at all. Overall, I couldn't care less whats inside as long as its smooth and fast for the user (me). The ipad mini has 1/4 the power of this, and it runs just as smooth.

SarahJane89 said:
Isn't this just practically the same spec as the N4? Same CPU, same amount of RAM, GPU etc. etc.?
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Yup it's an oversized N4, just like an iPad is an oversized iPod/iPhone.
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Yup it's an oversized N4, just like an iPad is an oversized iPod/iPhone.
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Except Google actually used a good screen.

NO there internals are different
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NO there internals are different
Snapdragon s4 pro (1.5GHZ) = uses krait 200 cores
snapdragon 600 (1.7GHZ) = uses krait 300 cores
Nexus 4 SOC - (APQ8064) = four Krait 200 cores + 2GB LPDDR2 RAM +Adreno 320
Nexus 7 SOC - (APQ8064–1AA) = four krait 300 cores which are underclocked + 2GB DDR3L-1600MHz SDRAM + Adreno 320
so basically the New Nexus 7 uses a underclocked Snapdragon 600

DizzlePro said:
NO there internals are different
Snapdragon s4 pro (1.5GHZ) = uses krait 200 cores
snapdragon 600 (1.7GHZ) = uses krait 300 cores
Nexus 4 SOC - (APQ8064) = four Krait 200 cores + 2GB LPDDR2 RAM +Adreno 320
Nexus 7 SOC - (APQ8064–1AA) = four krait 300 cores which are underclocked + 2GB DDR3L-1600MHz SDRAM + Adreno 320
so basically the New Nexus 7 uses a underclocked Snapdragon 600
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Source please?
I read something like this already, but I'm a bit skeptical about it. Why would Google advertise the lower spec than they actually are?
If this is true, than it's a gamechanger as krait 300 cores are some 30-40% faster than their older (krait200) brothers.

ashbringer said:
Source please?
I read something like this already, but I'm a bit skeptical about it. Why would Google advertise the lower spec than they actually are?
If this is true, than it's a gamechanger as krait 300 cores are some 30-40% faster than their older (krait200) brothers.
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i believe they claim that it's a s4 pro because of it clockspeed alone, most phones out today which use the snapdragon 600 soc have 1.7ghz + clockspeeds
Sources
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-7-2013-s-4-pro-snapdragon-600-249594/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/4

http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-7-2013-s-4-pro-snapdragon-600-249594/

Yea we have an underclocked S4 600. So its faster then the N4. Also the memory bus has been increased.
The N72 is faster then the N4 but probably nothing noticeable right now. Perhaps with KLP, the additional memory bus and newer CPU instructions might distance the N72 further away from the N4, but who knows.
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[Q] nexus 4 vs moto x

I've always wondered, how is the moto x faster than the quad core nexus 4? is there a way in making the nexus 4 faster? thankks

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I've always wondered, how is the moto x faster than the quad core nexus 4? is there a way in making the nexus 4 faster? thankks
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why are you comparing a diesel powered car ( n4) with hybrid car ( moto x) ? even if you did now both are fast, smooth and work great for everything asked to do so .... cores dont really matter

fahadsul3man said:
why are you comparing a diesel powered car ( n4) with hybrid car ( moto x) ? even if you did now both are fast, smooth and work great for everything asked to do so .... cores dont really matter
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aint they the same processor though? the nexus 4 must have potential.......

idonttakedrugs said:
aint they the same processor though? the nexus 4 must have potential.......
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http://www.cnet.com/news/top-motorola-engineer-defends-moto-x-specs-q-a/

scream4cheese said:
http://www.cnet.com/news/top-motorola-engineer-defends-moto-x-specs-q-a/
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Hmm
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Good job on making Moto X only for US market......very smart decision -_-

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Good job on making Moto X only for US market......very smart decision -_-
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Nooo! Its come to the UK earlier this year! Its not us exclusive anymore. Moto maker is though ?
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They do not have the same processor. They do not have the same cores either.
Simply put the nexus 4 has krait 200 cores. The moto x has krait 300 cores.
The krait 300 cores are faster clock for clock than the 200. They also of course have a clockspeed advantage too.
All of Qualcomms crazy naming scheme aside. The moto x has basically a dual core S600 at 1.7ghz. Think HTC one m7 with two cores. And those two cores run at the their max frequency quite a bit often to boot....

User psx on nexus 4 and compare them
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Quick summary:
N4: APQ8064 Krait 200 quad core @1.5ghz
MX: MSM8960DT Krait 300 dual core @1.7ghz
2013 N7: APQ8064AA Krait 300 quad core @1.5ghz
S4: APQ8064AC Krait 300 quad core @1.9ghz
S5: MSM8974ACv3 Krait 400 quad core @2.45ghz
(the fact some are S4Pros and some are S600's means very little, it's mostly K200 vs K300)
The moto x / 2013 N7 / S4 are pretty closely matched perf wise, which makes sense as they're all the same platform.
If you jump two steps between S4Pro -> S600 -> S800 -> S801 then there's a fair sized perf change, much less so with a single step jump.
At stock clocks I dont feel my S4 or 2013 N7 are dramatically faster then my N4.
It's merely that the N4 has the shortest battery life of the 3 (both relative and obviously absolute)
If you OC your N4, you could easily catch up in raw cpu power (if you ignore the fact that you could OC the other device too).
I wouldnt be too surprised if a K200 @~2.0-2.2+ ghz would equal a K300 @1.7-1.9ghz, though you'd shorten battery life even more on a already short life device.
If you could magically OC a N4 to ~3ghz, I wouldnt be surprised if it could keep up with the S5, I also wouldnt be surprised if it dies in 5 mins.
The N4 is very disadvantaged when it comes to thermal throttling, since once it hits the heat ceiling it drops like 20% in performance so it doesnt overheat.
You could also do the heatsink hardmod if it was really important, it's a rather easy mod (if you dont mind the fact you need to take it apart to do)
All devices have a thermal ceiling, but the N4 is usually disadvantaged when it comes to that. It's far easier to hit it on a N4 then any other device.
You could also do the qcom dalvik+bionic mod, it improved benchmark scores on my N7 by 15% (but much less on my N4, also I said benchmark and not "performance", it's very hard to quantify general performance/smoothness)
I think there was a F2FS mod for the n4, if there is and it works you could dramatically improve storage speed if you use that.
Finally you could always throw random build.prop mods, placebo effects are always the best as far as cost/performance goes.
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scream4cheese said:
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Moto has generally simply been spinning for marketing.
The fact of the matter is that the MSM8960DT is basically varient of the APQ8064AB/Ax that has 2 cores instead of 4.
Devices newer then the MX also have similar coprocessors now to offload idle sensor work, it's a general part of the S800/801 platform.
There's nothing stopping a manu from including them with any equivilent quad core soc,
which is essentially what qcom did with their own coprocessors in the S800/801 platforms.
Battery life on it is about equal to it's APQ8064Ax cousins since they're obviously the same cpu.
Depending on the rom/kernel, you can turn 2 cores off on the N7/S4/whatver,
but you cant turn 2 more cores on the MX.

The moto x has a slightly faster cores and clock speed but as there are too less cores it is slower. The reason it seems faster is the software optimizations Motorola have included on the moto x. Things such as optimized dalvik and bionic and using F2FS. If you install these on the nexus 4 i think it will be quicker.
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THEBANDIT420 said:
The moto x has a slightly faster cores and clock speed but as there are too less cores it is slower. The reason it seems faster is the software optimizations Motorola have included on the moto x. Things such as optimized dalvik and bionic and using F2FS. If you install these on the nexus 4 i think it will be quicker.
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The nexus 4 is just not quicker no matter what you do.
Quad vs dual is irrelevant. There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out. And if you do its going to throttle very quick anyways.
Krait 300 cores are faster period. The moto x is faster period. The hardware is just faster.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/11
No software optimization or trickery. Krait 300 is just faster. It doesn't seem faster. It's faster.
Krait 200 was already a old core relatively speaking when the s4 pro came out. It is the same core as the last gen SoC in the s3 class devices. Just with a newer gpu basically.
Can't believe people are still having this silly discussion.

albundy2010 said:
The nexus 4 is just not quicker no matter what you do.
Quad vs dual is irrelevant. There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out. And if you do its going to throttle very quick anyways.
Krait 300 cores are faster period. The moto x is faster period. The hardware is just faster.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/11
No software optimization or trickery. Krait 300 is just faster. It doesn't seem faster. It's faster.
Krait 200 was already a old core relatively speaking when the s4 pro came out. It is the same core as the last gen SoC in the s3 class devices. Just with a newer gpu basically.
Can't believe people are still having this silly discussion.
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Yes krait 300 is faster than 200, around 20-30%. The fact the nexus 4 does have 2 more cores does make it faster and just because "There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out" doesn't mean the moto x is faster ( at least by my definition of the word). The nexus 4 already beats in benchmarks but if the moto x does beat the nexus in things such as UI its because of all Motorola's software optimizations like i mentioned before.
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Yes krait 300 is faster than 200, around 20-30%. The fact the nexus 4 does have 2 more cores does make it faster and just because "There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out" doesn't mean the moto x is faster ( at least by my definition of the word). The nexus 4 already beats in benchmarks but if the moto x does beat the nexus in things such as UI its because of all Motorola's software optimizations like i mentioned before.
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In the majority of benchmarks that moto X wins. It even beats the quad core s600 devices in many of them as well. Even giving up 50mhz on the gpu to them.
Throttling is a big deal. Those chips throttle quicker and their clockspeeds go way down. The moto X spends more time at the highest clocks.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/7
Overall no matter how you try and slice it. In the majority of use cases, real world and benchmarks. The moto X is faster
And it doesn't beat it in stuff like ui because of some optimization. It beats it because it is a significantly faster clock for clock and has a clockspeed advantage. And browsing around the ui doesn't use for cores on top of it all. You can easily show that on your nexus 4 with a custom kernel and setting it to dual core only.
It's faster because the platform is faster.

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In the majority of benchmarks that moto X wins. It even beats the quad core s600 devices in many of them as well. Even giving up 50mhz on the gpu to them.
Throttling is a big deal. Those chips throttle quicker and their clockspeeds go way down. The moto X spends more time at the highest clocks.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/7
Overall no matter how you try and slice it. In the majority of use cases, real world and benchmarks. The moto X is faster
And it doesn't beat it in stuff like ui because of some optimization. It beats it because it is a significantly faster clock for clock and has a clockspeed advantage. And browsing around the ui doesn't use for cores on top of it all. You can easily show that on your nexus 4 with a custom kernel and setting it to dual core only.
It's faster because the platform is faster.
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What benchmarks are these? I know the motox has great GPU performance (mostly as it's one of the few snap 600 with a 720p screen) but in CPU performance it usually is lower than quad core s600 devices. For example in geekbench. But yes the moto x is faster than many in real world performance but this is largely due to all Moto's software optimizations.
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What benchmarks are these? I know the motox has great GPU performance (mostly as it's one of the few snap 600 with a 720p screen) but in CPU performance it usually is lower than quad core s600 devices. For example in geekbench. But yes the moto x is faster than many in real world performance but this is largely due to all Moto's software optimizations.
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The article tells you what is used in it. Also for the gpu test many of them have offscreen testing as well which negates the resolution difference.
Again it's faster in many cases because the hardware is just faster period. Just as taking a HTC one m7 and a custom kernel with 2 cores disabled would be faster in real world performance as well compared to nexus 4.
Real world performance is not some micro level threaded benchmark test.