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If the ATT bootloader becomes and unlockable and when the Google version is released will it be possible to turn an ATT S4 into a Google Nexus version 100% and get all the updates from Google once that ROM is loaded? I was tempted to return the ATT and wait for the Google but since I got it though an upgrade I will prob just keep it.
Thanks
richard371 said:
If the ATT bootloader becomes and unlockable and when the Google version is released will it be possible to turn an ATT S4 into a Google Nexus version 100% and get all the updates from Google once that ROM is loaded? I was tempted to return the ATT and wait for the Google but since I got it though an upgrade I will prob just keep it.
Thanks
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I think maybe it can be. If you look at the LG Optimus G you can convert it into a Nexus 4.
richard371 said:
If the ATT bootloader becomes and unlockable and when the Google version is released will it be possible to turn an ATT S4 into a Google Nexus version 100% and get all the updates from Google once that ROM is loaded? I was tempted to return the ATT and wait for the Google but since I got it though an upgrade I will prob just keep it.
Thanks
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I doubt you will be able to convert it into a device that receives updates from Google, because those updates are pushed based on your device's ID. The Device ID will always be a AT&T Galaxy S4.
However, that doesn't mean that the community won't create their own distros and OTA's that can be applied to any Galaxy S4 whenever Google pushes updates to their Galaxy S4.
I'm sure the day after the rom is released it will be available for us to try out
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Thanks guys. I am coming from an iPhone 5 which I prefer and will keep as my primary device. I love the S4 as it is full of features (gimmicks) and eye candy but is no match for the iPhone 5 in terms of robustness etc. Yes iOS has become stale but even at half the cpu power as the S4 it still feels faster and more solid hardware wise. Just purchased the nano to micro sim adapter for $2 so i will be swapping back and forth and enjoying the best of both devices.
richard371 said:
Thanks guys. I am coming from an iPhone 5 which I prefer and will keep as my primary device. I love the S4 as it is full of features (gimmicks) and eye candy but is no match for the iPhone 5 in terms of robustness etc. Yes iOS has become stale but even at half the cpu power as the S4 it still feels faster and more solid hardware wise. Just purchased the nano to micro sim adapter for $2 so i will be swapping back and forth and enjoying the best of both devices.
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I did that for a while and then just stayed with android. I liked iPhone but os was boring quick and biggest issue was trying to type on a small screen and use it felt weird quick as I was used to bigger screen and could never go back to iPhone again. This phone lags big time but with cm10 it will fly and the note 2 or HTC one flies also so you can't compare this crappy Samsung rom on sgs4 to android phones in general.
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We will get aosp (nexus software) as soon as the bootloader is unlocked...so we will probably have nexus software before the google edition is released
There are already custom aosp roms released for the phone that are working good...only thing holding back att users is the bootloader. But the fact they exist tells us that we will have a nexus like experience on our s4...idk why everyone thinks it relies on the google edition...because it doesn't. Nearly every phone here on xda has the ability to run aosp aka nexus software
The only benefit of the google edition is it will hopefully bring good source code allowing devs to fix bugs much more easily and incorporate the new sensors into the roms
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mg2195 said:
We will get aosp (nexus software) as soon as the bootloader is unlocked...so we will probably have nexus software before the google edition is released
There are already custom aosp roms released for the phone that are working good...only thing holding back att users is the bootloader. But the fact they exist tells us that we will have a nexus like experience on our s4...idk why everyone thinks it relies on the google edition...because it doesn't. Nearly every phone here on xda has the ability to run aosp aka nexus software
The only benefit of the google edition is it will hopefully bring good source code allowing devs to fix bugs much more easily and incorporate the new sensors into the roms
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let's hope the stock android version on the google gs4 is not the same stock android on nexus 4. because if it is, then there will be no gs4 sensor support in the google gs4.
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I think maybe it can be. If you look at the LG Optimus G you can convert it into a Nexus 4.
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the reason the lg optimus g was able to take nexus 4 stock android and use it is because 1.) the lg optimus g finally got upgraded to android 4.1.2 which gave it the same rmp/tz as android 4.2.2. 2.) they share the exact same hardware since they are both made by LG and the models copied each other. the same wont be able to be said for the gs4, so it will take alot of modifying. much more than it does for the lg optimus g to run nexus 4 roms.
I am in the Market for a Galaxy Note 3 on Verizon OR a LG G2.
I'm torn coming from the Nexus Line.
I just found out about a Galaxy Note 3 Developer edition coming out for Verizon (rumored Nov 1) but have a few questions and I thought you S4 users could give me a quick answer.
The Developer Edition (DE) uses AOSP I believe?
How does that translate for normal S4 users and development? Were AOSP and others kernels/roms flashable on the standard S4?
I'm leaning toward the Note 3 because I'm having nightmarish flashbacks to the LG G2x days and the LG G2 looks like a big updated G2x. LG is notorious for bad software updates. It is already behind with 4.2.2 and probably won't see 4.3 until 9 months. The Note 3 has the SPen and already semi up-to-date with 4.3. With the probability of a GN3 DE, it might further expand the flashing capabilities.
I've never personally owned a Samsung Android outside of my Galaxy Nexus. I do know the current status of the Verizon GN3 bootloader is locked and development is at a stand still.
Advice?
player911 said:
I am in the Market for a Galaxy Note 3 on Verizon OR a LG G2.
I'm torn coming from the Nexus Line.
I just found out about a Galaxy Note 3 Developer edition coming out for Verizon (rumored Nov 1) but have a few questions and I thought you S4 users could give me a quick answer.
The Developer Edition (DE) uses AOSP I believe?
How does that translate for normal S4 users and development? Were AOSP and others kernels/roms flashable on the standard S4?
I'm leaning toward the Note 3 because I'm having nightmarish flashbacks to the LG G2x days and the LG G2 looks like a big updated G2x. LG is notorious for bad software updates. It is already behind with 4.2.2 and probably won't see 4.3 until 9 months. The Note 3 has the SPen and already semi up-to-date with 4.3. With the probability of a GN3 DE, it might further expand the flashing capabilities.
I've never personally owned a Samsung Android outside of my Galaxy Nexus. I do know the current status of the Verizon GN3 bootloader is locked and development is at a stand still.
Advice?
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Hi there the Developer edition is still touchWiz only comes with an unlooked bootloader.
about the rest i'm not sure but yes you can flash AOSP on S4
but well, i'm not sure if it will come to EU with Developer edition, sad that sammy locked it
Oh so the Developer Editions still has TouchWiz, just pre-unlocked? What did it run fresh out of the box? Most phones can run AOSP, just not reliably.
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Oh so the Developer Editions still has TouchWiz, just pre-unlocked? What did it run fresh out of the box? Most phones can run AOSP, just not reliably.
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Are you talking about the developer editions or the Google play editions? because I've never seen a developer edition S4
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Are you talking about the developer editions or the Google play editions? because I've never seen a developer edition S4
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My S4 came with the bootloader unlocked, and it didn't come from any PlayStore. So I guess there isn't a developer edition until this new bootloader lock?
Well sorry for the confusion, I don't really know. I'm new to Samsung stuff.
Ive heard talk about Verizon Developer Editions, I assumed they were talking about the stock AOSP editions which I guess are Google Play editions.
Are they both the same thing? Google Play = Developer Edition?
Doing more research I see Google Play addition was flashable on other S4s. Which basically confirms my questions (I think).
The G2 has some good developers now, but Samsung typically officially supports their devices longer. I'm just thinking which device will have better support in a year and the Note 3 probably will be on top.
I'm just researching the S4 for patterns that will probably benefit me if I bought a Note 3.
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player911 said:
Well sorry for the confusion, I don't really know. I'm new to Samsung stuff.
Ive heard talk about Verizon Developer Editions, I assumed they were talking about the stock AOSP editions which I guess are Google Play editions.
Are they both the same thing? Google Play = Developer Edition?
Doing more research I see Google Play addition was flashable on other S4s. Which basically confirms my questions (I think).
The G2 has some good developers now, but Samsung typically officially supports their devices longer. I'm just thinking which device will have better support in a year and the Note 3 probably will be on top.
I'm just researching the S4 for patterns that will probably benefit me if I bought a Note 3.
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my advice... for now... stick to nexus for aosp
player911 said:
Well sorry for the confusion, I don't really know. I'm new to Samsung stuff.
Ive heard talk about Verizon Developer Editions, I assumed they were talking about the stock AOSP editions which I guess are Google Play editions.
Are they both the same thing? Google Play = Developer Edition?
Doing more research I see Google Play addition was flashable on other S4s. Which basically confirms my questions (I think).
The G2 has some good developers now, but Samsung typically officially supports their devices longer. I'm just thinking which device will have better support in a year and the Note 3 probably will be on top.
I'm just researching the S4 for patterns that will probably benefit me if I bought a Note 3.
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The developer edition is still the same as original edition except that it comes with an unlocked bootloader (you won't be able to use knox). So developer edition is basically the same except the bootloader and no knox availability
Google play edition comes with unlocked bootloader (I think) but it's not the developer edition.
And yes you can flash the Google edition firmware so you can develop for stock Android if that's what you want to. Just stay out from the Google edition bootloader i know someone flashed it and he'd got some hard time to recover it.
But they're very identical the ge and s4 original Touchwiz in specifications.
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The developer edition is still the same as original edition except that it comes with an unlocked bootloader (you won't be able to use knox). So developer edition is basically the same except the bootloader and no knox availability
Google play edition comes with unlocked bootloader (I think) but it's not the developer edition.
And yes you can flash the Google edition firmware so you can develop for stock Android if that's what you want to. Just stay out from the Google edition bootloader i know someone flashed it and he'd got some hard time to recover it.
But they're very identical the ge and s4 original Touchwiz in specifications.
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Good info. Seems my luck, I'd buy the Note 3 hoping to be able to flash some GE and something stupid would make it incompatible or something (Verizon is good at screwing up phones).
Well this was Developer Edition which doesn't warrant paying full price when unlocks are typically found eventually.
Too bad the S5 is too far off.
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I'm in the market for a new phone, but before I leave T-Mobile and my Nexus 4 to sign my soul to the devil for 2 years I'd like to see a glimmer of hope for the AOSP on the Verizon Note 3.
I've been trying to inform myself on the issue with Verizon Note 3's recently and from what I've read it's not possible to boot a custom kernel, which is necessary for CM11.
Are we going to see any AOSP developer support soon for the VZW Note 3? Or does a locked bootloader really mean no potential?
There's still the vzw dev edition Note 3.
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There's still the vzw dev edition Note 3.
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I'm confined to purchasing from Best Buy unfortunately.
I guess I could wait until the Developer Edition is back in stock, buy the retail Note 3, sell, then buy the Dev Note 3.
Is the unlocked bootloader the only difference between the retail and dev edition?
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Is the unlocked bootloader the only difference between the retail and dev edition?
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Yes
I am a big fan of cm....but I have been running beans ROM, and it feels like cm, but still has some tw features if you wanted. While its not a true cm....its damn close.
The Note 3 in my opinion is the best phone that "Verizon" offers. But if the Nexus 5 was on Verizon I would not have gotten the Note 3 because it's fully unlocked, crazy rom support and is half the cost of the Note 3. Personally I would be happy with a Google play edition Note 3 with support for the S-Pen and the note app. Even with a unlocked bootloader on the Note 2 you still can't use the original note apps on CM based roms plus something always failed to work correctly. I always ended up using touchwiz based roms on my Note 2.
I also thought I was going to hate not having CM... so far I've been pleasantly surprised with Beans Rom and xposed.
There is now a thread and alpha build of CM11 for the T-Mobile Note 3. This will probably work on Developer Edition Note 3s. Anyone interested, go here and be sure to look at post #57 > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2590561
Hi,
I'm currently still on the Galaxy S4 i9505, running a ported GPE firmware.
Sadly, Samsung never came through with the Galaxy S5 GPE, so I'll have to make a difficult decision for my next Smartphone.
I was hoping for the new Nexus, but it's just too large for my taste. The Moto X 2014 is a great phone, but the small battery and less than perfect camera are making me a bit reluctant to buy it. Sony Xperia Z3 is a good device, but they have never been the fastest updaters. Also, the Camera on the latest Sony phones is not so great, the sensor might be OK, but Sony kills details with their over-aggressive noise cancelling tech.
So, that leaves me with the "old" Nexus 5 (old processor, small battery and mid-range camera) or one of the Galaxy S5 models.
Now here's my problem: I could get the Galaxy S5 SM-900F, or the S5+ SM-901F. The 901F is the obvious choice, because it comes with the newer Snapdragon 805 SoC. However, I'm not planning on using Touchwiz for more than 5 Minutes, so I need a phone with good CM/ASOP support. I'm a bit scared, that the S5+ will be a "niche" product and won't get many devs. Since Google Play Edition probably won't be happening for the S5 in any of it's shapes, that's my only chance.
Now, what do all of you think?
Do I have a chance with either of the S5 models or should I rather comprmised and go with the Moto X 2014 since that has a clean android interface and will get updated at about the same time as the GPE devices? Might there still be a GPE Galaxy S5? Will Samsung eventually relent and slim down Lollipop and tighten their Update schedule? Rumours point at a 2014 release of Android 5 on the S5 and Note 4, but does that include the new S5+?
Thanks for your ideas!
Get the 901F, I have it for about a month and it's the best phone I have ever used you won't be disappointed
Thanks. I'm not worried about the phone performance, but about dev supporz, from Samsung and from XDA...
Has this been rooted, debloated and/or Cyanogenmodified yet?
Plus is a wasted space tbh. G900F is the way to go in term of develompent. Roms. Programs and so on.
Tron666 said:
Plus is a wasted space tbh. G900F is the way to go in term of develompent. Roms. Programs and so on.
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Actually, you're right.
CommanderROR said:
Thanks. I'm not worried about the phone performance, but about dev supporz, from Samsung and from XDA...
Has this been rooted, debloated and/or Cyanogenmodified yet?
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From Samsung, no worry, it will come as for others products.
From devs support here on xda, there's nothing yet:
- root is ok (see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help/sm-g901f-to-s5-how-to-root-t2882104)
- custom recovery not properly yet (only one chinese version here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55667472&postcount=175)
but it does not support aroma interface
- custom ROM does not exists yet
If you only want custom ROM with S5, choose G900* model but product is not as good as G901F.
If not, best product is G901F but need to wait for Devs.
Best regards
Franky
CommanderROR said:
Hi,
I'm currently still on the Galaxy S4 i9505, running a ported GPE firmware.
Sadly, Samsung never came through with the Galaxy S5 GPE, so I'll have to make a difficult decision for my next Smartphone.
I was hoping for the new Nexus, but it's just too large for my taste. The Moto X 2014 is a great phone, but the small battery and less than perfect camera are making me a bit reluctant to buy it. Sony Xperia Z3 is a good device, but they have never been the fastest updaters. Also, the Camera on the latest Sony phones is not so great, the sensor might be OK, but Sony kills details with their over-aggressive noise cancelling tech.
So, that leaves me with the "old" Nexus 5 (old processor, small battery and mid-range camera) or one of the Galaxy S5 models.
Now here's my problem: I could get the Galaxy S5 SM-900F, or the S5+ SM-901F. The 901F is the obvious choice, because it comes with the newer Snapdragon 805 SoC. However, I'm not planning on using Touchwiz for more than 5 Minutes, so I need a phone with good CM/ASOP support. I'm a bit scared, that the S5+ will be a "niche" product and won't get many devs. Since Google Play Edition probably won't be happening for the S5 in any of it's shapes, that's my only chance.
Now, what do all of you think?
Do I have a chance with either of the S5 models or should I rather comprmised and go with the Moto X 2014 since that has a clean android interface and will get updated at about the same time as the GPE devices? Might there still be a GPE Galaxy S5? Will Samsung eventually relent and slim down Lollipop and tighten their Update schedule? Rumours point at a 2014 release of Android 5 on the S5 and Note 4, but does that include the new S5+?
Thanks for your ideas!
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once you flash cyanogen or anything not touchwiz based. you losed camera functionality. 120fps slow mo and 4k will not be in cyanofgen as the samsung camera app is based on the touchwoiz framework
I can live with losing slow motion and 4k. What I really need is HDR in Google Camera. This is a problem on the S4...do you know how the S5 does here?
I really y hate Samsung for dropping GPE devices, and Google for not making an updated Nexus 5...?
CommanderROR said:
Hi,
I'm currently still on the Galaxy S4 i9505, running a ported GPE firmware.
Sadly, Samsung never came through with the Galaxy S5 GPE, so I'll have to make a difficult decision for my next Smartphone.
I was hoping for the new Nexus, but it's just too large for my taste. The Moto X 2014 is a great phone, but the small battery and less than perfect camera are making me a bit reluctant to buy it. Sony Xperia Z3 is a good device, but they have never been the fastest updaters. Also, the Camera on the latest Sony phones is not so great, the sensor might be OK, but Sony kills details with their over-aggressive noise cancelling tech.
So, that leaves me with the "old" Nexus 5 (old processor, small battery and mid-range camera) or one of the Galaxy S5 models.
Now here's my problem: I could get the Galaxy S5 SM-900F, or the S5+ SM-901F. The 901F is the obvious choice, because it comes with the newer Snapdragon 805 SoC. However, I'm not planning on using Touchwiz for more than 5 Minutes, so I need a phone with good CM/ASOP support. I'm a bit scared, that the S5+ will be a "niche" product and won't get many devs. Since Google Play Edition probably won't be happening for the S5 in any of it's shapes, that's my only chance.
Now, what do all of you think?
Do I have a chance with either of the S5 models or should I rather comprmised and go with the Moto X 2014 since that has a clean android interface and will get updated at about the same time as the GPE devices? Might there still be a GPE Galaxy S5? Will Samsung eventually relent and slim down Lollipop and tighten their Update schedule? Rumours point at a 2014 release of Android 5 on the S5 and Note 4, but does that include the new S5+?
Thanks for your ideas!
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I`ll wait for the Galaxy S5++
CommanderROR said:
I can live with losing slow motion and 4k. What I really need is HDR in Google Camera. This is a problem on the S4...do you know how the S5 does here?
I really y hate Samsung for dropping GPE devices, and Google for not making an updated Nexus 5...?
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HDR works in google camera. apparently though the quality isnt as good as stock as per usual
well thats what ive heard anyway
personally id rather wait until the camera CM provides can match the stock in terms of modes. or google camera can use extra modes
Never ever ever ever go with Plus-phones from Samsung. They never have as much development as the non-plus versions.
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That's what I'm afraid of.
Well, I'll wait a bit longer, tilp the official Lollipop rollout begins, maybe there will be some surprises. After all, there is that picture of the S5 running stock Android on www.android.com which might mean there is a GPE phone coming...
Theshawty said:
Never ever ever ever go with Plus-phones from Samsung. They never have as much development as the non-plus versions.
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Hi, you are thrue, but 900F will be stopped and replaced by 901F in europe, so devploment would come quick
And snap 805 on 1920 screen geave a beast ! ^^
We already have the first custom rom for 901f with tw or nova launcher and most important fully debloated. Check the android development section.
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Never ever ever ever go with Plus-phones from Samsung. They never have as much development as the non-plus versions.
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why do devs never buy plus versions? also why cant they dev for phones they dont own?
The problem is some of us dont have a choice, EE is by far best provider in uk and they no longer supply 900f, much of europs is also exclusivy 901f now.
at&t sprint etc. got own section on site but not 901f.
Hi, I can't wait for Galaxy S5 Google Play Edition because Android 4.2 Touchwiz is horrible, full of unuseful effects and slow. How long do I have to wait to see a nightly ROM for S5 G900F based on Android 5.0 Loĺlipop approximately.? I've read that Android Touchwiz 5.0 for S5 will be out by the end of the year but I don't like Touchwiz. I want Google Play Edition
Why a Lollipop build for S4 was relased and for s5 not?
Shoulda bought a nexus if you hate touchwiz
But s5 is better than nexus 5. Nexus 6 is too big
i owned a s5 when it was released...now i own a N5...i'm much more satisfied and happy with my N5 rather than the s5
I wish they would release a Google edition s5 but it doesn't look like the relationship with Google and samsung is as healthy as it use to be with them trying to make there own OS. I would much rather a pure edition with support for the finger print sensor and the heart rate monitor and I'm good. Touchwiz is just wayyyy too bloated and unattractive.
I'm pretty sure that there are right now 20 highly paid executives at samsung trying to figure out why their sales numbers are decreasing.
Give us pure android software with your Samsung camera and you'll rule android again.
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I've read recent news about S5 Google Play Edition pure Android Lollipop based. I hope I will be out soon to install pure ROM on my s5