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Pictures of my Desire HD vs Samsung Galaxy S2

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13469463#post13469463

Well done, whilst I agree the Samsung screens are brighter, seeing the S2 has confirmed to me that I really don't want one (other than the fact that there just isn't any way on this earth I would choose a Samsung P.O.S.). That is ugly and does the S2 not do black?
(and maybe a better comparison would be one that doesn't compare a dark background on the DHD verses a bright colourful background on the S2 -nothing like a good bit of biasing is there?).

The GS2 really does seem like a great phone. Although in that third pic, I do like the colours of the Desire HD better. The 'Brightness' text actually seems whiter on the HD and the popup box itself looks darker.
Could you post some better comparison pics where both phones have the same background at lets say 100% brightness and 50% brightness?
Also some battery life comparisons in a couple of days? Ideally with the exact same video playing on both devices and the same settings for both phones, to get a fairly accurate comparison between the two?

Mr_JMM said:
Well done, whilst I agree the Samsung screens are brighter, seeing the S2 has confirmed to me that I really don't want one (other than the fact that there just isn't any way on this earth I would choose a Samsung P.O.S.). That is ugly and does the S2 not do black?
(and maybe a better comparison would be one that doesn't compare a dark background on the DHD verses a bright colourful background on the S2 -nothing like a good bit of biasing is there?).
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that was unintentional, post updated with new like for like pics

Personal preference I guess but I have no problem with the colours / screen on the Desire HD and like I said, not keen on the excessive contrast and a phone is more than just a screen.
I'll be getting another HTC in a few months time.

4.1.1 -> 4.1.2 = exactly 400% the brightness, WOW!!!

For the test, I used some professional light measuring equipment (my DSLR).
I captured an image at F/2.8, ISO 400, at 0 EV. Maxed out brightness on the Note 2, with Auto adjust screen tone off (important). I used a completely white picture shot at the same distance.
Before update:
Shutter speed 1/125s
After update:
Shutter speed 1/500s!
That is exactly 2 full stops. Or 4 times the original brightness.
Now, 400% sounds like a lot, like it would blind you. I don't want to create an over-expectation. It's seems adequately bright in a well lit room, where previously in that same room, the phone maybe seemed kinda dim.
I previously posted when I first got my original Galaxy Note II, that I was a little disappointed because people kept saying it is the brightest screen they ever had, and mine was far from that. But maybe those people saying that had something like this originally, but I just got it now. And it is beautiful.
Model: SHV-E250L (Korean Galaxy Note II, received OTA update today)

Very interesting mate,
thanks for sharing
Vatis

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i have 2 notes here one of them have 4.1.1 and one with latest Poland rom
brightness is 100% the same on white page
its something wrong with ur camera :laugh:

yahyoh said:
:what:
i have 2 notes here one of them have 4.1.1 and one with latest Poland rom
brightness is 100% the same on white page
its something wrong with ur camera :laugh:
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Camera is just fine. It is a precision instrument and I have definitive proof with 2 JPG and CR2 files with EXIF information. But maybe the Korean Note 2 was configured to be dimmer than the Note 2 that you have.
Funny thing is iPhone 5 was just released this week, and that screen is cranked up to super bright when put next to the Note 2. It is a shocking comparison, but now the Note 2 can hold it's own. But maybe they didn't want the negative press and decided to enable the brighter mode for the Korean customers as well.
If your thought your screen was never that dim in bright settings, maybe it will not impact your screen at all. On the other hand, if you were disappointed with the screen's brightness bright rooms or show rooms, then you may be very surprised when the update is applied. No promises. I heard through the grapevine from another XDA member I should expect a big boost in brightness, and I did want to confirm it so I prepared my camera to do testing before I hit update, and after. The improvement has exceeded my expectations.

Lucidmike said:
Camera is just fine. It is a precision instrument and I have definitive proof with 2 JPG and CR2 files with EXIF information. But maybe the Korean Note 2 was configured to be dimmer than the Note 2 that you have.
Funny thing is iPhone 5 was just released this week, and that screen is cranked up to super bright when put next to the Note 2. It is a shocking comparison, but now the Note 2 can hold it's own. But maybe they didn't want the negative press and decided to enable the brighter mode for the Korean customers as well.
If your thought your screen was never that dim in bright settings, maybe it will not impact your screen at all. On the other hand, if you were disappointed with the screen's brightness bright rooms or show rooms, then you may be very surprised when the update is applied. No promises. I heard through the grapevine from another XDA member I should expect a big boost in brightness, and I did want to confirm it so I prepared my camera to do testing before I hit update, and after. The improvement has exceeded my expectations.
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are you sure u shot the photos in the same conditions ? same lightning / sun in the room? totall darkness room ?
but if its 400% brighter you should see difference by ur bare eyes.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 made no difference in brightness here.
the only thing i seems to notice is that my screen has become sharper. since 4.1.2
also making pictures with the phones cam has improved 200% in dark places also the flash timing and photo taking has improved. i noticed

SKeijmel said:
are you sure u shot the photos in the same conditions ? same lightning / sun in the room? totall darkness room ?
but if its 400% brighter you should see difference by ur bare eyes.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 made no difference in brightness here.
the only thing i seems to notice is that my screen has become sharper. since 4.1.2
also making pictures with the phones cam has improved 200% in dark places also the flash timing and photo taking has improved. i noticed
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Yes, I did it in a controlled lighted environment. It was a scientific test. I understand light, and how to measure it very accurately because of my years studying photography.
With that said, my model is a Korean SHV-E250L Galaxy Note 2. I got it OTA from my carrier yesterday. The maximum brightness when I got the phone, originally was not as bright as I had hoped. And I just didn't understand how people were saying it was the brightest screen they had. I thought it was just some fake reviews of people trying to promote their haphazardly written reviews that was written with rumors than actual time with the device.
But now I know that some people got really bright Note 2's out of the box, and some didn't. I'm just hoping that people who wished that their Note 2 was a lot brighter, because they think it is dim, may experience the same effect with an update when it arrives.

Yeah just saw your video on the daily note II youtube channel (btw im a subscriber!)

Austin3161337 said:
Yeah just saw your video on the daily note II youtube channel (btw im a subscriber!)
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Same here, like your videos very much. I recommended your channel for a "new to android" friend of mine who recently bought his note 2.
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Hmmm it is definitely brighter, I thought I was the only one who saw it, whites are alot nicer for some reason.

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NumairRana said:
Hmmm it is definitely brighter, I thought I was the only one who saw it, whites are alot nicer for some reason.
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Please let us have the link so that we also can relish a good feature in our phone

Lucidmike said:
For the test, I used some professional light measuring equipment (my DSLR).
I captured an image at F/2.8, ISO 400, at 0 EV. Maxed out brightness on the Note 2, with Auto adjust screen tone off (important). I used a completely white picture shot at the same distance.
Before update:
Shutter speed 1/125s
After update:
Shutter speed 1/500s!
That is exactly 2 full stops. Or 4 times the original brightness.
Now, 400% sounds like a lot, like it would blind you. I don't want to create an over-expectation. It's seems adequately bright in a well lit room, where previously in that same room, the phone maybe seemed kinda dim.
I previously posted when I first got my original Galaxy Note II, that I was a little disappointed because people kept saying it is the brightest screen they ever had, and mine was far from that. But maybe those people saying that had something like this originally, but I just got it now. And it is beautiful.
Model: SHV-E250L (Korean Galaxy Note II, received OTA update today)
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Thanks for the data, if you could post the CR2's I would be interested in taking a look

androidizen said:
Thanks for the data, if you could post the CR2's I would be interested in taking a look
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Here are the JPEG and CR2's. These pics are not glamour product shots. They are for the purposes of measurements off a highly calibrated light measuring device. You have to look at the EXIF information. The whole point is to take the same picture with the same level of brightness, by only exposing the sensor to 1/4 of the original open shutter time. The shutter speed indicates change in brightness because trying to evaluate a picture being brighter with people's eyes is always subjective.
Here's additional test information.
Camera: Canon 20D
Lens: Canon 60mm Macro F2.8
Light Metering: Center Weighed
ISO: 400
F-stop: F/2.8
0 EV
Phone settings:
100% Brightness
Auto Brightness off
Auto adjust screen tone off
Model: SHV-E250L
The Test:
Before update:
Shutter speed 1/125s - 1/160s
After update:
Shutter speed 1/500s - 1/640s
If you know a bit of photography, you will see that it was a good test with all the right settings. It was done in a room with a very dim controlled light source. It would be impossible to do a test like this with a point & shoot.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/520h0j18tqni5l4/brightnesschange.zip
Again, sounds like not everyone will get this boost, but some people have gotten it. Some people didn't. I just wanted some concrete numbers, hearing that I may notice this. I wanted more definite proof than say something like "yeah, it definitely kinda seems brighter."
So I did this right before and after the update. And I'm glad I did because even with these concrete numbers, people seem to not believe. I can only provide the facts for my device.

I have also noticed higher brightness. Now my eyes becomes tired faster than before

EdgaBimbam said:
I have also noticed higher brightness. Now my eyes becomes tired faster than before
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sorry but brightness is 1000% the same with 4.1.1
i compered note2 running 4.1.1 with my note with 4.1.2 it its same :cyclops:

yahyoh said:
sorry but brightness is 1000% the same with 4.1.1
i compered note2 running 4.1.1 with my note with 4.1.2 it its same :cyclops:
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Dunno but for me lowest brigthness is higher than before. Was darker with 4.1.1 and with first leak 4.1.2

The Brightness is better in 4.1.2
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If it would be 400% brighter then it would exceed at least 800 candela, making it brighter than even the most powerful LCD screens by quite the margin.
Sorry but somebody clearly DOESN'T understand light. Deducting brightness from a camera's shutter speed is failure at logic because they are not directly correlated. The camera can have a logarithmic response to light output in the shutter response.
The scientific method is to use a photometer and nothing else.

Let's try to figure this out.
Gsm arena puts Galaxy Note II at 402cm/2, they put iPhone 5 at 640cm/2.
So these are the possible scenarios:
1. Your Note II is now brighter than iPhone 5.
2. Before the update, your Note II model was dimmer than all others and now it's comparable.
3. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
So what we need is a comparison with iPhone and other Notes!
I myself just flashed a 4.1.2 Rom with matching kernel I did not notice any brightness difference.
I also studied the kernel source for your model "update 1", there were some differences in values for the display driver. But I'm not 100% what they do.
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hatcyl said:
Let's try to figure this out.
Gsm arena puts Galaxy Note II at 402cm/2, they put iPhone 5 at 640cm/2.
So these are the possible scenarios:
1. Your Note II is now brighter than iPhone 5.
2. Before the update, your Note II model was dimmer than all others and now it's comparable.
3. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
So what we need is a comparison with iPhone and other Notes!
I myself just flashed a 4.1.2 Rom with matching kernel I did not notice any brightness difference.
I also studied the kernel source for your model "update 1", there were some differences in values for the display driver. But I'm not 100% what they do.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008197
Here is a 16% real increase in brightness. Or from your point of view, 169%.
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Can someone please find photos of display, up very close? for V.small text?

Not a single review has produced a picture like this yet
http://photos.pcpro.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_PC_Pro/dir_327/it_photo_163531_52.png (but that's old)
I want to see the S3 vs S4 display on REALLY small text.
Check out this website on the phone, scroll to the bottom and choose "full page" http://www.theage.com.au/ the 'non mobile' version looks like crap on an S3 due to the pentile DPI being not high enough. - I'd love to know the S4 vs S3 on ultra fine text.
Unfortunately NO ONE is taking shots like this in review, sigh

wizzbang3 said:
Not a single review has produced a picture like this yet
http://photos.pcpro.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_PC_Pro/dir_327/it_photo_163531_52.png (but that's old)
I want to see the S3 vs S4 display on REALLY small text.
Check out this website on the phone, scroll to the bottom and choose "full page" http://www.theage.com.au/ the 'non mobile' version looks like crap on an S3 due to the pentile DPI being not high enough. - I'd love to know the S4 vs S3 on ultra fine text.
Unfortunately NO ONE is taking shots like this in review, sigh
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I may be getting one ahead of retail release, will try and get those photos. I cannot believe that at a DPI of 441 anything is visibly noticeable to the naked eye, so for myself I'm not getting hung up on this.

NZtechfreak said:
I may be getting one ahead of retail release, will try and get those photos. I cannot believe that at a DPI of 441 anything is visibly noticeable to the naked eye, so for myself I'm not getting hung up on this.
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Your effort would REALLY be appreciated - no damn reviewer online is competent enough to do it.
Ideally
S3, S4, Iphone 5 and HTC One all at similar range on the same web page- specifically the S3 vs the S4 though, as they are such comparable phones.
I've heard people speculate pentile can be as bad as "40% worse" then same DPI of a normal display
So 1920x1080 - 40% = only 1152x648
Food for thought
(I've also heard 20% worst, 25% worse and 33% worse)

wizzbang3 said:
Your effort would REALLY be appreciated - no damn reviewer online is competent enough to do it.
Ideally
S3, S4, Iphone 5 and HTC One all at similar range on the same web page- specifically the S3 vs the S4 though, as they are such comparable phones.
I've heard people speculate pentile can be as bad as "40% worse" then same DPI of a normal display
So 1920x1080 - 40% = only 1152x648
Food for thought
(I've also heard 20% worst, 25% worse and 33% worse)
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I wouldn't say it's worse in a percentage like that
it still has 1920x1080 blue and red subpixels, it just shares the greens as far as I'm aware of

wizzbang3 said:
- I'd love to know the S4 vs S3 on ultra fine text.
Unfortunately NO ONE is taking shots like this in review, sigh
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Doesn't have a good camera and definitively no macro mode, so it might not help, but here is my two cents:
- picture from S4 hpics.li/edae2bd
- picture from HTC One : hpics.li/c745d54
- and the same on S3 : hpics.li/bcb10ce
[Sorry, not allowed to post attachements and/or URL, so copy paste]
My own opinion: can't seems to distinguish any pixel on S4 and One, but as screen is brighter on One and less blurry, seems better.
PS : whole screen just to see how small it is, so very difficult to read with eyes : hpics.li/5e304c3
[Edit: Use copy paste in browser to see pictures. If someone can make a post with inner pictures, feel free to do this]

I really liked the sgs3 display. It wasn't the brightest, nor the sharpest, but any pixelation caused by the pentile layout seemed to be very round and subtle in comparison to pixelation caused by rgb pixels... maybe just me though.

pYlOne75 said:
Doesn't have a good camera and definitively no macro mode, so it might not help, but here is my two cents:
- picture from S4 hpics.li/edae2bd
- picture from HTC One : hpics.li/c745d54
- and the same on S3 : hpics.li/bcb10ce
[Sorry, not allowed to post attachements and/or URL, so copy paste]
My own opinion: can't seems to distinguish any pixel on S4 and One, but as screen is brighter on One and less blurry, seems better.
PS : whole screen just to see how small it is, so very difficult to read with eyes : hpics.li/5e304c3
[Edit: Use copy paste in browser to see pictures. If someone can make a post with inner pictures, feel free to do this]
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Hey thanks man - pics a little shabby due to no proper camera - but got most of what Iwanted answered. The improvement from S3 -> S4 is huge, even if the one is a bit better again, the S4 looks much more usable.
If anyone else can nab some more ultra fine text shots like that with a camera camera, I'd appreciate it!
Thanks man

Right around 4:05 this video shows you a decent shot of the sub-pixel arrangement but nothing stellar. I'm sure as time passes we will get this content.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hdQd5sD2ww

pYlOne75 said:
Doesn't have a good camera and definitively no macro mode, so it might not help, but here is my two cents:
- picture from S4 hpics.li/edae2bd
- picture from HTC One : hpics.li/c745d54
- and the same on S3 : hpics.li/bcb10ce
[Sorry, not allowed to post attachements and/or URL, so copy paste]
My own opinion: can't seems to distinguish any pixel on S4 and One, but as screen is brighter on One and less blurry, seems better.
PS : whole screen just to see how small it is, so very difficult to read with eyes : hpics.li/5e304c3
[Edit: Use copy paste in browser to see pictures. If someone can make a post with inner pictures, feel free to do this]
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Actually looking at it extensively the colours on the S4 look much worse than the S3 - is the S4 set to low brightness mode perhaps? It's definitely crisper and more readable and less over saturated (good) but almost excessively dull.

MrNineties said:
Right around 4:05 this video shows you a decent shot of the sub-pixel arrangement but nothing stellar. I'm sure as time passes we will get this content.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hdQd5sD2ww
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Yeah I've seen that one before - thanks - but it's actually too close to be honest, you can't really get a good idea of the quality - whereas the other photos in this thread are much more user friendly - close to what the limits of human eyesight can see, that's good / realistic for every day use.

wizzbang3 said:
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Actually looking at it extensively the colours on the S4 look much worse than the S3 - is the S4 set to low brightness mode perhaps? It's definitely crisper and more readable and less over saturated (good) but almost excessively dull.
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It was set to Auto + 5 for brightness. I took a new pic at high brigthness. And please note that software isn't final yet, so you'll have different settings in final software. Color accuracy might be adapted. And I'm quite sure it will differ from my sample.
New S4 with full brighness : hpics.li/cfaaca1
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Two more pictures with my no-macro camera as close as possible.
S4: hpics.li/7ed6128
One: hpics.li/1b76d3c
One full width, just to notice that it shouldn't be a problem on both handsets, even at 5cm of the eyes : hpics.li/2182e11 :cyclops:

Definitely appears to be a superior screen to the S3, no question. I'm pretty convinced I'm snapping one up - thank you!

Screen Modes Comparison?

I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?

bubu_bubu said:
I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?
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I was wondering the same. I didn't care for the colors on the S3 and find my iPhone 5 screen/colors much better. I think I'm really going to like the S4, particularly if you can change the display modes.

bubu_bubu said:
I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?
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htc has Super LCD
iPhone has IPS
and Samsung has Super AMOLED with some special matrix of pixel from Samsung
So samsung devices are little bit darker than iphones and htcs and thr s little bit problem in sun-light to use tham (u will have to set brightness to 100% to use galaxy S3 (for example) on sun-light)
u can search Galaxies pixel matrix on google and check lots of img about it so u will get ur answer better.
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x102x96x said:
htc has Super LCD
iPhone has IPS
and Samsung has Super AMOLED with some special matrix of pixel from Samsung
So samsung devices are little bit darker than iphones and htcs and thr s little bit problem in sun-light to use tham (u will have to set brightness to 100% to use galaxy S3 (for example) on sun-light)
u can search Galaxies pixel matrix on google and check lots of img about it so u will get ur answer better.
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You haven't read my post have you?

bubu_bubu said:
I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?
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To the OP, check this piece via GSMArena (with links to the original source) - looks like the Adobe and Film modes are the real deal for colour temperature and accuracy. Colour accuracy is dramatically better than the One, which has a colour temperature of ~8000 (worse than the S3, decidedly blue tint that discolours greys in particular, I notice the same on my HTC BUtterfly).

First, title says it all
Comparison threads are not allowed on xda

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First, title says it all
Comparison threads are not allowed on xda
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whats your problem why dont you go troll somewhere else. you have to make silly comment on each thread.
OP i have just had Galaxy S4 coluor reproduction isnt as goo as lcds unfortunately. still same on RGB mode screen get dimmer too

[Q] Samsung Galaxy S5 Display (Color Representation)

Hi,
I'm in process of buying Galaxy S5 but have one question to be answered. I've read some mixed reviews regarding the display performance and color representation of the S5 and I couldn't decide who to believe. I've read that cinema mode is the most accurate but also seen some reviews that it isn't as good either. A one of the most recent article on PhoneArena about displays also added to my fears regarding S5 display.
I want to ask from S5 users that is it really the case, does it really noticeable while viewing videos/images or playing games etc. How does cinema mode competes with M8, Z2 etc.

Phonearena have done quite a few blunders recently in their reviews, I don't trust them.
I'd rather go for AnandTech and DisplayMate test results. They have given the S5 very high marks.
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drakester09 said:
Phonearena have done quite a few blunders recently in their reviews, I don't trust them.
I'd rather go for AnandTech and DisplayMate test results. They have given the S5 very high marks.
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Thanks for your reply. As you are using S5 can you please tell me your personal experience with display.

I recently changed from a S3 to S5 (G900F). The colors are much more natural than S3's, the screen is a lot brighter and the quality is awesome. It has extremely deep black so deep that you can't distinguish if the screen is off or on! Even in a dark room. The brightness helps when you are outdoors. I live in Macedonia, Greece and here in Greece we have a lot of sunshine through the year, especially now I find it easier to use under sunlight than the S3. Also the white is very good.
So, to sum up:
-Natural colors
-Deep black
-Very bright when you need it.
-Battery savings thanks to amoled technology.
I recommend that you use the phone in person before buying it, from a friend or at a store. This is my personal experience so don't take it for granted. You may end up with different results from me when you use it because everyone has different needs/expectations.

tahirk said:
Thanks for your reply. As you are using S5 can you please tell me your personal experience with display.
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I really like it but I use it on Cinema mode all the time. I can't stand oversaturation coming from a Nexus 5.

So, would you guys suggest that Cinema Mode is the way to go for everyday use?

drakester09 said:
I really like it but I use it on Cinema mode all the time. I can't stand oversaturation coming from a Nexus 5.
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Does it gets close to Nexus 5 in Cinema mode?

tahirk said:
Does it gets close to Nexus 5 in Cinema mode?
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Quite a bit, it's not bad at all.

Cinema mode is the Most natural But is stile Not perfect. With root could be possible To chance color value in The Files with The screen configurations? Chance The code strings. Because it is only a setting like The TV setting preset... But on a TV we Can set manually contrast gamma saturation ecc.. It would be interesting To find Files in The Phone that contains The sets of The screen And Try To change......