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Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their mother are posting Roms in the Evo development subforum?
I'm not going to name names or anything, but there seem to be a few teams that work very hard at distinguishing themselves as great releases only to get overtaken by people launching derivatives that are not much more than wallpaper changes of the very same roms?
Many of us can tell the distinction between the two, but I worry about new folks coming in who have no idea. I'm not going to spread FUD, but installing roms from an untrustworthy source is a great way for real problems to be introduced into the security model of the Android platform.
Does anyone else see this as a concern? Are there any solutions we as a group can come up with? Is this really not a big deal?
Yes you are correct
OMG I changed the color of the call [email protected]!!!!! NEW ROM!!!!!
Instead of theme change.
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
Now the kernels, I like, keep them going though. But the roms need to stop.
I think people are just making them in a sad attempt to gain free donations for their "efforts" or lack thereof.
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Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
I'm still a relative newb to Android, but I can see how it would be easy to get overloaded with all the ROMs out there. I've bounced back and forth between Fresh, CM6, and rooted stock for a while and I finally got sick of having to set up my phone over and over again (yes, I know about Titanium, but it's not good for certain types of things). Anyway, I finally said f*** it and flashed CM6 again and have left it there. None of them are perfect, but CM6 works the best for me.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
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Less twisting then what you think. It's not CM or stay stock. I personally ran CM nightlies and CM6, both times I left them because even with all the fine work he's done there are very large and blatant things I don't think are great about it.
Does that mean it's low end, no, but there are lots of Roms every bit as highend and polished as CM.
Now on the main OP, I agree that we are seeing a flood, but also that there is nothing to do about it in an open community which is pushing people to tweak and express and share. It is what it is, and if they aren't calling out the people who put in the actual time into said Rom and giving them all the praise for the actual work then shame on them.
One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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Neif, you crack me up whenever I see you pushing your grid. I've been dircting people to the wiki to check it out, but good luck trying to stay on top of all of the new releases. More power to you.
And to bring the thread back on topic - there do seem to be a lot of roms floating around that don't really seem to bring anything new to the table.
People are just posting what works for them. I am glad there are so many ROMs. If you think this is bad, I guess you never had a G1.
This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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I do wish there was a subforum in the dev forum for roms. Perhaps a sticky's for the top 10 roms based on votes or downloads or some other type of ranking system.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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dsixda's kitchen has pretty much everything you need. I installed Ubuntu in Virtual Machine and have started messing around, but unless you know what to and not to change, there isnt alot you can do to make the rom unique. But its worth doing if you're interested in learning about rom development.
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I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
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I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
First I think we should be happy the evo has a strong community. We may even lose some with the galaxy s phones coming out.
Next a agree many aren't much of a difference, but for those that don't have time to tweak stuff in the kitchen before installing, it is nice to find exactly what you want.
Finally I'm sorry to sound like an elitist, but this is a hackers forum. There shouldn't be such an expectation of things always being safe and working.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
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I do agree there are a lot out there and it can be tough for people to tell what is what. I don't think it's a bad thing though, device support is good, it means that hopefully things will be running for a long time to come.
Hi guys... DEVS
Why aren't any NON-undervolted Android builds being released?
Many people have HD2's where the CPU cannot be undervolted/overclocked and if they try any of the current Android builds their HD2 will reboot or be very unstable!! I think that could be why we have so many "reboot threads" floating around.
Best way to make sure users don't have problems with your builds is to provide the non-undervolted version by default and let people change the zImage to an overclocked/undervolted version if they wanna push their luck. Stability should be the number one priority and in my mind and overclocking/undervolting certainly doesn't add stability... instead you'll have a bunch of people wondering Android doesn't work on their HD2's.
I think that for many nOObs it's difficult to first download a build just to discover that it doesn't work, then trying to figure out that it's because they're running the wrong kernel, then trying to figure out how to change the kernel, pushing files etc etc... you get my point I hope Also supporting extended batteries should be included by defaults nowadays since that's another source of confusion as to why their Android builds won't work.
Just my 2 cents... /Tubgirl
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Many people have HD2's where the CPU cannot be undervolted/overclocked [...]
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Why? And how can one find out that his/her HD2 cpu cannot be undervolted?
Hastarin started releasing this type of kernel, without overclocking, undervolting or axi included, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=787588
Since it's the only custom kernel I'm using I can't point you to others but I also know that the 'official' kernels from Netrippers' autobuild site, http://oe.netripper.com/files/htcleo_autobuild_evo_tree/ are also without any modifications but they don't include extended battery support or interactive governor for example.
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Why? And how can one find out that his/her HD2 cpu cannot be undervolted?
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The answer to "Why?" is that you have small variations between each CPU from manufacturing. They are very small variations but they are enough to cause some CPU's to become unstable if you go outside the manufacturer's specs when it comes to voltage or clock frequency.
If you have problems with reboots then "how to find out" is a matter of trying a non-undervolted kernel and see if Android becomes more stable. But as I said... I wish developers could release rock-stable Android builds that can work on everybody's HD2's... not just the lucky ones with overclockable/undervoltable CPU's.
Brgds... /Tubgirl
Ah, will it not affect battery life? I just remember i didn't seem to experience sudden lags or reboot with the first batch of android builds (there hasn't been custom kernels that time i think) i used xtarantula's before.
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Ah, will it not affect battery life?
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Yes, maybe but that's still better than not being able to run Android at all.
/Tubgirl
The short answer to this question is demand. More people want undervolted than not. You can change kernels if it fails for you. It's all supply and demand I'm afraid. As the old saying goes "you can't please everyone"
You are right though it would be nice if they included a standard kernel build as well but the devs put in a massive amount of work as it is and its easier for you to change the kernel that's all.
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No need for "builds" to be duplicated like that...all that is required is untouched kernel...
I run the Stock Evo one for HD2 from here and NO SOD/reboots/data hangs and equal battery life even without setcpu and taskkillers.
Try it...(Not suitable for CM6 builds)
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No need for "builds" to be duplicated like that...all that is required is untouched kernel...
I run the Stock Evo one for HD2 from here and NO SOD/reboots/data hangs and equal battery life even without setcpu and taskkillers.
Try it...(Not suitable for CM6 builds)
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Will that work with extended batteries?
Brgds... /Tubgirl
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Will that work with extended batteries?
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No. The only "support" atm for extended batteries is in modified kernels such as my kernel (huanyu added support based on mine in one of his too) and michyprima's.
Since both are essentially "hacks" (at least mine is not 100% accurate for temperature) I'm afraid neither is likely to make it in to the main tree.
Moved to Android General discussion for HD2 as not development
v-b-n said:
No need for "builds" to be duplicated like that...all that is required is untouched kernel...
I run the Stock Evo one for HD2 from here and NO SOD/reboots/data hangs and equal battery life even without setcpu and taskkillers.
Try it...(Not suitable for CM6 builds)
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This might be a dumb question, but how do we know which zImage to use from that list? Do I just grab the last one that says latest? I'm running the MDeejay Evo build. The SOD and data hangs have made these new builds unusable for me.
Finally a NON-undervolted Android build that works out of the box. As a big bonus extended batteries are supported as well... and it's fast as hell
Have a look... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9789864
Brgds... /Tubgirl
Tubgirl said:
Finally a NON-undervolted Android build that works out of the box. As a big bonus extended batteries are supported as well... and it's fast as hell
Have a look... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9789864
Brgds... /Tubgirl
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Don't you realise that undervolting is part of the kernel? It has nothing to do with the build.
the_scotsman said:
Don't you realise that undervolting is part of the kernel? It has nothing to do with the build.
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Yes I realize that, but so far the chefs have chosen to include undervolted kernels causing trouble for people like myself.
Now we have a chef that goes for stability and has included a kernel that should work for everybody!
Brgds... /Tubgirl
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Yes I realize that, but so far the chefs have chosen to include undervolted kernels causing trouble for people like myself.
Now we have a chef that goes for stability and has included a kernel that should work for everybody!
Brgds... /Tubgirl
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It's a very simple process to replace the kernel with another one of your choice.
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It's a very simple process to replace the kernel with another one of your choice.
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Exactly!! So if you want to tweak and try undervolting/overclocking you can replace the kernel if you want to... IMHO the included kernel should be as stable as it possibly can
Brgds... /Tubgirl
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Exactly!! So if you want to tweak and try undervolting/overclocking you can replace the kernel if you want to... IMHO the included kernel should be as stable as it possibly can
Brgds... /Tubgirl
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Yes and the point is that it is as stable as it can be for the vast majority of us. The minority (you) who have reboot issues etc have the choice to use different kernel then what the majority uses.
Why on earth should the majority have to conform to the minority?
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Why on earth should the majority have to conform to the minority?
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It's not a matter of having to "conform". It's better to have a build that works for everybody than just the majority (again IMHO). It's nice for the Chef not having to deal with a bunch of posts like "My phone reboots with this build" or "Why does my HD2 freeze?"
To cite myself from my first post in this thread:
Best way to make sure users don't have problems with your builds is to provide the non-undervolted version by default and let people change the zImage to an overclocked/undervolted version if they wanna push their luck. Stability should be the number one priority and in my mind overclocking/undervolting certainly doesn't add stability... instead you'll have a bunch of people wondering why your build doesn't work on their HD2's.
I think that for many nOObs it's difficult to first download a build just to discover that it doesn't work, then trying to figure out that it's because they're running the wrong kernel, then trying to figure out how to change the kernel, pushing files etc etc... you get my point I hope. Also supporting extended batteries should be included by defaults nowadays since that's another source of confusion as to why their Android builds won't work.
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Brgds... /Tubgirl
i am truely sorry for you having problems.. but this thread looks to me like another "i want i want, do it for me" thread. I dont want to be rude, but do you really think that would stop people asking "weird" questions? Even if there would exist a perfect uber build or something, people wouldnt stop asking "weird" stuff.. human nature i guess
i have a different view on things here. i like the "harder" (search, read and try) way, that makes me learn something. So, the way cheffs create and release builds cant be that bad
learning english is also a good thing for me, i guess
cheers
1. Clean: Optimized, nothing at all installed over the basic OS.
2. Clean + Sense: Optimized, Sense, nothing else. Basically Sense apps/widgets that you can't download via Manager would have to be included.
3. Like most ROMS are now. Lots of pre-installed apps.
My opinion:
A ROM should be a CLEAN install of the OS that is optimized, nothing more, nothing less. Everything else should be up to the owner of the phone to decide. Cleaner = better. Apps can easily be downloaded/backed up. No I don't want Twitter/Facebook/SoundHound/Teeter/YouTube/Amazon etc etc etc pre-installed. If I want an App it can EASILY be installed and BACKED UP via Titanium Backup.
Apps are sometimes going to bug and use up CPU so the phone lags (like on the stock ROM). It's stupid that an App I have and NEVER will use is causing my phone to LAG.
Custom/Stock ROMS reminds me of a Windows XP install from HP with all the extra stuff pre-installed that you don't need or want. Less is more IMHO.
I would love to try option 1 and 2.
What would YOU like to see in a ROM? Hopefully this will be a great thread for the ROM makers to make something that most of us want.
I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
nandihno said:
I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying. "What do you want in a ROM?" is kind of... I don't know... sounds like "users will write their expectations and some obedient developer will do it". I don't like it.
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Well... *cut***cut*....just saying.
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I agree with you, we should (and DO) appreciate all the work Dev's are doing on providing custom roms (for free).
Having said that: the topic question is what do you want in a ROM...so it can be anything really....
I am more looking what is available and choose from that, rather than thinking / asking, Hey Dev, can you add this or that....
But if I could....I would like my ROM to have the coffee ready when it lets the phone wake me with its alarm out of my ever so short sleep
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
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That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
mike1986. said:
4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
Beamen1 said:
That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
I'd love a clean ROM with htcsense.com working but nothing else from Sense.
I also am of the clean school of thought, I do regularly uninstall apps I don't use from the ROM's I use, and my personal feeling is if it's on the marketplace leave it out (and I am including the Gapps in this).
I realise this isn't everyones preference but then you can never please all of the people, on the other hand we are using the DEV's FREE work so I suppose we have to be happy with whatever they choose
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Ok? Nevermind then.
mike1986. said:
It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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You can always install extra launchers, kernels etc. A ROM doesn't need to contain everything. A ROM (IMHO) should be the OS, the back bone of the phone, not the whole system. If I want to OC my PC I don't get a "Windows 7 with Radeon 5880 + iCore prossesor already clocked, and here is 5 other programs that I like".
I get a Windows OS, I install my ATI drivers, install the OC things I need for MY setup and install the apps/games I WANT.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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This 15min times every new update that is released if you want the newest "OS".
That depends. Every one has different motives. Why would the developers of a ROM do ANY changes based on user feedback (I'm not talking about bugs) if they didn't care for the fact that others are using THEIR ROM?
Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
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Look over.
Don't get me wrong. I'm VERY thankful for this forum and everyone that puts time into making ROMs and Kernels, but it would be fun to get feedback from the forums. Maybe (and hopefully) someone will make the "clean" ROM if the feedback here is pointing in that direction.
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Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Maybe a ROM developer actually WANTS to make a CLEAN install with Sense? Maybe his passion is developing ROMS?
Look at FORUM ADMINS/MODS. They don't get payed ANYTHING for ALL the work they do because they think it's fun. This includes admins/mods on "exotic car boards" that do modding work for free instead of making THOUSANDS of dollars instead. They do it because they enjoy it.
Some people LOVE working on cars, some people HATE working on cars. The people that really LOVE working on cars will do work (very good work I might add) for free/close to nothing because that's what they like to do.
Just because you don't want to spend hours of your life making a CLEAN Rom doesn't mean other Devs don't want to.
You are certain I won't pay? How would you know? You know NOTHING about me.
I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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How is it pointless? Because YOU don't like the idea?
Someone told you to make a ROM? Why would anyone make a ROM if they didn't want to (unless that was their job, with an hourly pay)?
Maybe some Devs never though about making a CLEAN ROM with Sense until they saw this thread? Who knows.
Maybe some Dev wants to make the most popular ROM for Desire HD. By the looks of it he/she will have over 90% of all DHD users that are running custom ROMS Satisfying enough for someone to try it? Maybe
Let's wait and find out
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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I NEVER said for the Devs to MAKE me one. If that was the case I would probably have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for their time to make a clean ROM.
It's a poll. I would like to know what owners and Devs think. Maybe this is the next "step" to take in ROMS.
Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
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+1 on this statement, i voted clean + sense because for me WHEN htc sort out the issues with sense.com it will be nice to know i can basically destroy the insides of my phone and make it unuseable to any fugger that might happen to find/steal it, without having a load of different apps made by third party that only do one part of sense.com per app. also the main thing for me wanting a dhd was the dolby mobile and srs functions, not sure if this is a valid point but from what i gather these settings can only be changed when using the stock sense music player that comes with the stock rom... The day Cyanogen was ported i rejoiced thinking yay finally i can completely control my phone only to discover that "computer says no" and i lose all my htc sense syncability as well as losing the function to choose the dolby settings or srs in the music player... That is why leedroid became rom of choice to me for now as it came with very little apps installed i did not want myself and i get all these functions still running the way they should
as for the two people arguing, you both sound like whiney annoying brats the way you are going on.. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, but i will remind you that EVERYONE ALSO HAS AN ARSEHOLE this does not mean i want to see every bloody arsehole of every bloody person just cos they think it looks pretty.......
A rom with nothing on except sense framework and some basic apps that obviously let the phone function fully is totally DESIREable
meh to anyone that wants to try and bash people for having an idea that someone doesnt agree with
meh to you
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
Why don't you people make such a discussion on Microsoft forum, huh? "Windows 8 - what would you like to have included in the OS". What is the voting for? You think that CLEAN SENSE ROM will have 80% and in one moment all devs will listen to the majority and make such ROM's? You think that there is no developer thinking about clean sense ROM already? I know at least 2 are working on it.
You want clean sense rom? THEN WAIT UNTIL THERE WILL BE ONE AVAILABLE. We know that there is a need for such ROM's like in every device section. Desire HD is not different in this point.
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
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Like I SAID 3? times before. I'm going out and asking what members WANT from a ROM. The larger majority of the users have said they want a ROM to be an "OS" - as in CLEAN, NO APPS, with HTC Sense. No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
If you want to discuss this further, please PM me. We have filled this forum with enough OT talk.
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No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
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WTF are u talking about? Your idea? Clean ROM's are your idea? Are you kidding me?
No, I don't hate the idea. Idea is good and it's known since long time to make clean ROMs. I just hate (no hate - I don't like is a better word) the way you express it.
I googled for a bit and found a few screenshots here and there..and this is the closest I've found to a definition
This is not cyanogenmod. Everything is hand codes by rascarlo and not cherry picked like jelly bro. Means instead of getting the code for all the phones cm supports you get only the necessary code. Its a real bare bones ROM. Its only for a select few and an acquired taste.
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Is that it? Basically a minimal pure JB experience for the N4 "mako" specifically that we can then add customizations as we like?
Just trying to understand.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34981366
Read the first post to see what's included in the ROM
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
A name of a ROM.
i read that post..much of those items listed in the first post went right over my head.
i was looking more for a philosophical answer; why this over cynanagen or paranoid (both of which i understand).
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A name of a ROM.
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i thought this forum was to ask any question no matter how stupid
Reading the OP sounds like a AOSP rom built from Nexus 4 source.
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And I answered it?
All ROMs are free. Just flash it and try out the ROM. It's not like once you flash a ROM you can't go back.
Make a nandroid backup, flash ROM + gapps, try it.
Don't like it? Nandroid restore from your backup and it'll feel like you just time traveled.
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i thought this forum was to ask any question no matter how stupid
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It is. That is, if you're willing to deal with the consequences.
tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.
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tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.
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I think rasbeanjelly is far less modified than CM. It is VERY quick and stable. Not everyone wants all those extras. If you're curious, make a nandroid and flash the ROM.
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tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.
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Rasbeanjelly is a very niche Rom that is heavily themed and customized by Rascarlo to HIS liking. It is very fast, very stable, but also not as customizeable as CM or AOKP. If you like the theme and the way it comes configured it is an extremely nice Rom. However, if you like to tweak every aspect and have tons of goodies you wont like it.....oh, and the blue everywhere takes some getting used to also.
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All ROMs are free..
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not really. there's a time commitment in going to the trouble to start down the custom ROM path with any phone. i konw this..been doing ROM updates on here since my old SDA.
i just want to know what it is..things like paranoid are NOT just ROMs..they're completely different way of approaching your phone and it would be stupid to flash if you didnt have a basic understanding of what is going on there.
i admit to being a thicky whale omelet, but it took me about an hour of reading before it finally clicked what paranoid did for you.
thats all i was trying to ask here was if i was understanding the point of rasbean.
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tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.
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Then dont juggle between those 3 phones. Its obvious that N4 is the most superior one out of the three. You don't have to keep up with anything. A dev forum is like a shopping guide. You just don't know how to distinguish what makes that ROM popular, just read the features / search on youtube.
They're FREE roms.. just flash and experiment. It's not that difficult. Rasbeanjelly is a minimalistic ROM skinned to be all black.
not really. there's a time commitment in going to the trouble to start down the custom ROM path with any phone. i konw this..been doing ROM updates on here since my old SDA.
i just want to know what it is..things like paranoid are NOT just ROMs..they're completely different way of approaching your phone and it would be stupid to flash if you didnt have a basic understanding of what is going on there.
i admit to being a thicky whale omelet, but it took me about an hour of reading before it finally clicked what paranoid did for you.
thats all i was trying to ask here was if i was understanding the point of rasbean.
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You don't have to commit anything for a ROM. You just look at it, if it impresses you. Read the last couple pages for user feedback. Still like it? Flash it.
Don't like it? Nandroid restore back to what you were using before.
Go watch a youtube video. People do videos on these ROMs. Basic understanding of what? A lot of roms are identical and "kang" features off of each other and give credit where its due. Even what YOU quoted says that.
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Then dont juggle between those 3 phones. Its obvious that N4 is the most superior one out of the three. lack.
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my wife has the HD2, my kids have the myTouch phones (christmas gifts) and i wanted to make all 3 phones as nice for them as possible.
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my wife has the HD2, my kids have the myTouch phones (christmas gifts) and i wanted to make all 3 phones as nice for them as possible.
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Flashing ROMs on other peoples' phone is a huge nono. It puts a responsibility on yourself.
You don't have to update their ROM everyday. They're not "phone nerds" and want their phone to be flashed new ROMs. Some people just want a phone that works out of the box. Not to mention, development for those phones aren't as huge as Nexus devices. myTouch brand has been declining.
the kids got the phones off ebay at christmas; they're capable little devices but i needed to remove the TMOBILE bloat first to make them usable.
the HD2 was retired with cracked glass for ages until i saw the android forum, dusted it off and put JB on it. it was so wonderful i had a guy in town put a new piece of glass on it and she's been loving it ever since.
i don't update their roms all the time; but the point was i have been all over the boards on here getting everyone's phone up and going and can't keep up with it all.
would you disagree i should have left those other phones alone?
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the kids got the phones off ebay at christmas; they're capable little devices but i needed to remove the TMOBILE bloat first to make them usable.
the HD2 was retired with cracked glass for ages until i saw the android forum, dusted it off and put JB on it. it was so wonderful i had a guy in town put a new piece of glass on it and she's been loving it ever since.
i don't update their roms all the time; but the point was i have been all over the boards on here getting everyone's phone up and going and can't keep up with it all.
would you disagree i should have left those other phones alone?
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You don't need a ROM to remove T-Mobile bloatware. All you need is root access. Development on those devices are vary limited and its hardware is starting to show its age to the point where newer ROMs with newer Android versions actually slow down the phone and a lot of 'hacks' are done to have that particular Android version because HTC/Huawei abandoned support for the phone.
HD2: You kind of went off-topic as my point is that you don't have to maintain all of their devices and keep flashing stuff for them. I'm sure they just want a phone that works and they don't care what Android version is on their phone. Most of the people I know in person don't really care unless they're tech savvy.
In the end to answer your question, Rasbeanjelly is a ROM.
Each ROM has their own features and the developer can choose to implement whichever features they want in their ROM. Some ROMs are minimal, feature-heavy, clean code, themed, 'kangs' (unofficial releases based off their source) with 'cherry picks' (stuff that isnt in their ROM but included their commits that are pending approval or stuff that just simply works)
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No matter how stupid questions go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980135
No need to start a new thread for this.
This question isn't really about the nexus as much as a general question about that rom
Best daily driver rom for my N4...
Fast, bloat free, and very stable...
Take it for a spin... Happy Flashing...
Hello, so far nexus 6p users have had a good year as we have been updated with many new roms including different features and stability. I would like to know how people are finding their current rom and why? I have heard many good things with roms such as dirty unicorn and as a kernel elemental x as well as franco kernel. So what's your preference? Just curious. Also, I would like to know what kinda tweaks and features that are useful so people are aware of this before they flash, feel free explaining your opinions, thanks.
Pure rom + franco kernel + greenify.
The rom includes super su which gives greenify permission to kill apps.
This all adds up to getting about 1.5 days with 6hrs SOT out of the phone with moderate use. But if you can easily make it through a day you probably end up putting your phone on charger anyway.
I do it because I enjoy tinkering with the phone & this combo is put together by individuals passionate about optimising the performance/hardware of the device.
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Pure rom + franco kernel + greenify.
The rom includes super su which gives greenify permission to kill apps.
This all adds up to getting about 2 days SOT out of the phone with moderate use. But if you can easily make it through a day you probably end up putting your phone on charger.
I do it because I enjoy tinkering with the phone & this combo is put together by individuals passionate about optimising the performance/hardware of the device.
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I have also used pure nexus but it doesnt have the features that other roms have its basically stock with some features.
Personal preference eh. I'm on stock+elementalx+xposed. An absolute dream. Heres a quick glance at my battery after a day at work for me
That's great battery life there, what is xposed?
Im sure theres many more roms and kernels out there.
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Im sure theres many more roms and kernels out there.
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There are. And there are a ton of other existing threads asking this exact question. There's even a huge "best ROM" thread in the general section. Maybe do some reading.
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There are. And there are a ton of other existing threads asking this exact question. There's even a huge "best ROM" thread in the general section. Maybe do some reading.
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I can't seem to find that section 'best rom' do you have the direct link maybe?
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Personal preference eh. I'm on stock+elementalx+xposed. An absolute dream. Heres a quick glance at my battery after a day at work for me
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Same. 6-7 hour sot without using any greenify or any battery saving app. NOTE: im able to get this plus much smoother experience with ghostpepper. I know their other kernel profile which provide better battery life but after trying them all the best one for SMOOTHNESS and battery is ghostpepper. I can right away notice in scrolling like in apps like fb or youtube app. When u use darkspice or other which provide better battery life i get lags on those app and phone feels alot warmer. When i use ghostpepper my phone only get slighly warm when charging but cool to the touch all the time plus buttersmoothe scrolling with my 6 hour sot. Im in heaven with this phone. Sold my galaxy s7 edge by the way, my nexus 6p still the best all around phone
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I can't seem to find that section 'best rom' do you have the direct link maybe?
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It's in the general section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general
If you can't find it use the search feature.
Pure Nexus + franco.Kernel with Heimdall settings.
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Pure Nexus + franco.Kernel with Heimdall settings.
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I have had pure nexus before not really customizable like other roms and what is heimdall settings, never heard of it.
cocelli said:
I have had pure nexus before not really customizable like other roms and what is heimdall settings, never heard of it.
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You can customise Pure Nexus quite a bit, but alas it is trying to maintain as close to AOSP as possible.
Heimdall is governor settings for the interactive governor. Can read about them here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3290605
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You can customise Pure Nexus quite a bit, but alas it is trying to maintain as close to AOSP as possible.
Heimdall is governor settings for the interactive governor. Can read about them here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3290605
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Well I use franco kernel which does all of them governor settings for you automatically.
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Well I use franco kernel which does all of them governor settings for you automatically.
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It has stock settings in franco.Kernel, yes. However there is other tweaks that can be done too.
cocelli said:
I have had pure nexus before not really customizable like other roms and what is heimdall settings, never heard of it.
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Pure nexus not customizable? What are you trying to do, turn your phone into a transformer? I used to stay away from it because it had TOO MANY options...
If you don't know what xposed is, it's pretty clear you have done no searching or reading for yourself.
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Pure nexus not customizable? What are you trying to do, turn your phone into a transformer? I used to stay away from it because it had TOO MANY options...
If you don't know what xposed is, it's pretty clear you have done no searching or reading for yourself.
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If I diden't know what exposed was you could come up with a better reply, right? And that's why this thread is here my friend.
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If I diden't know what exposed was you could come up with a better reply, right? And that's why this thread is here my friend.
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1. I'm not your friend.
2. No one is here to spoon feed you.
3. No one can tell you what the best ROM for you is. Only you can decide that.
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1. I'm not your friend.
2. No one is here to spoon feed you.
3. No one can tell you what the best ROM for you is. Only you can decide that.
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1. If you're going to talk like an idiot and mess my thread it's not gonna happen.
2. I don't have to download and see in trial and error whether which rom works better for me as everyone has there own opinions on each rom I count on what people think on each rom unlike you. If developers are making these roms we have the right to speak and see what works better so everyone can be aware.
3. You came here like an idiot you can now leave as an idiot my friend ).
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1. If you're going to talk like an idiot and mess my thread it's not gonna happen.
2. I don't have to download and see in trial and error whether which rom works better for me as everyone has there own opinions on each rom I count on what people think on each rom unlike you. If developers are making these roms we have the right to speak and see what works better so everyone can be aware.
3. You came here like an idiot you can now leave as an idiot my friend ).
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lol. It actually is your responsibility to figure out what the best combination is on YOUR device. You can clearly see that Pure Nexus is the most popular rom, yet you don't like it. Roms and kernels will behave differently from device to device. Just because one combination is best for one person, it doesn't mean it will be the best for you. Again, you need to figure it out by trial and error. That's what the overwhelming percentage of people do on this forum. The rest, like yourself, try to be spoonfed without putting in the work.