Xperia Z is a water proof phone that can be used under water. But can its touch screen be used underwater too?
The answer is a big NO! You simply can not use Xperia Z’s touch screen under water whether you want to do anything on your phone.
Why Touch Screen Functionality Doesn’t Work Under Water?
Is it Sony’s manufacturing fault? NO! This is not a fault of Sony, it’s because water conducts electricity.
What functions can be performed?
Play a music before putting it in water, it will not stop
Record Sound
Use Flashlight while making sure its on before going under water
Photography can not be done as it requires touching the screen
What should you do if you want to take a photograph underwater?
As we all very well know that Xperia Z doesn’t have a hardware camera button to take photos so the answer is simple. Set a Timer to take the photo. An alternate method can be to install any other camera app from app store like Camera 360 that lets you set volume buttons as a Camera hardware button to take photos.
Taken from: http://www.neogalaxia.com/2013/06/12/how-to-take-pictures-with-xperia-z-under-water/
deadly46 said:
Xperia Z is a water proof phone that can be used under water. But can its touch screen be used underwater too?
The answer is a big NO! You simply can not use Xperia Z’s touch screen under water whether you want to do anything on your phone.
Why Touch Screen Functionality Doesn’t Work Under Water?
Is it Sony’s manufacturing fault? NO! This is not a fault of Sony, it’s because water conducts electricity.
What functions can be performed?
Play a music before putting it in water, it will not stop
Record Sound
Use Flashlight while making sure its on before going under water
Photography can not be done as it requires touching the screen
What should you do if you want to take a photograph underwater?
As we all very well know that Xperia Z doesn’t have a hardware camera button to take photos so the answer is simple. Set a Timer to take the photo. An alternate method can be to install any other camera app from app store like Camera 360 that lets you set volume buttons as a Camera hardware button to take photos.
Taken from: http://www.neogalaxia.com/2013/06/12/how-to-take-pictures-with-xperia-z-under-water/
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Or there's a mod over here that allows you to use your volume button as a shutter.
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joejoe23 said:
Or there's a mod over here that allows you to use your volume button as a shutter.
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He just copy/pasted the/a misinformed news article or what ever that is, else he would've know that there are mods/apps which let you re-map your hardware buttons to be able to take pictures.
Dsteppa said:
He just copy/pasted the/a misinformed news article or what ever that is, else he would've know that there are mods/apps which let you re-map your hardware buttons to be able to take pictures.
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Haha maybe
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Shall I even bother to reply?
WHY would one want to use this phone to take pictures under water? It is NOT designed with that function in mind. Please do read the manual that came with your XZ before you bugger it up then write here blasting the phone!
Ryland Johnson said:
Shall I even bother to reply?
WHY would one want to use this phone to take pictures under water? It is NOT designed with that function in mind. Please do read the manual that came with your XZ before you bugger it up then write here blasting the phone!
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I thought it says it can survive under water of up to 1 metre for 30 minutes. So why not have some fun photo takings under water? If not its kind of pointless buying this phone.
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The phone is a water resistant phone not a water proof phone
The real idea is for it to survive every day life like getting caught out in the rain, dropping it in the bath or swimming pool
Using buttons under water would certainly risk water ingress
And swimming with it would be a risk, and the warranty does not cover water damage
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sigh...it's always the same...people mistake waterresistant with waterproof.
just because an airbag might save your life in case of a car-crash, you don't drive into a wall on purpose, do you?
waterresistance is your airbag in case your phone gets dropped into water or s.th. like that.
hebbe said:
sigh...it's always the same...people mistake waterresistant with waterproof.
just because an airbag might save your life in case of a car-crash, you don't drive into a wall on purpose, do you?
waterresistance is your airbag in case your phone gets dropped into water or s.th. like that.
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I have been saying EXACTLY the same thing here for months only to be met by general abuse by some owners who are clueless regarding this mobiles water resistance. The water and dust resistance are in case of accidental contact and not to be confused with an industrial made device with underwater capabilities by design..
What ticks me of is when I read threads where owners have the temerity to complain about the XZ when it is damaged due to use in a sauna or after being boiled in soup!
Several posters here have actually copied and attached the Sony guidelines that clearly show what the mobile cannot be exposed to yet some still persist in abusing a domestic phone and thinking the XZ is water proof when it is water resistant and not designed to function under water only survive ACCIDENTAL contact.
I have also said numerous times that its an awful shame that some owners appear to lack the same level of intelligence that the XZ posses!
Have you seen some of the Youtube 'tests'.....more money than sense, take a look at the chocolate clip! Absolutely absurd behaviour.
Regards.
We know you have.........
Do what you want with YOUR phone.
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xchasa said:
We know you have.........
Do what you want with YOUR phone.
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I agree. If you want to possibly destroy your own phone by placing it in situations it wasn't designed to cope with then go ahead. That is your choice.
But don't give people the wrong advice regarding THEIR phone. The only correct answer to give regarding questions on the water resistance of this device is what is written in the manual. End of story.
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For the ones who still want to make small videos of their aquarium or in the swimming pool, I have installed a nice mod that allows you to take photos/videos with the Vol- button
But for rooted devices only...
kingvortex said:
I agree. If you want to possibly destroy your own phone by placing it in situations it wasn't designed to cope with then go ahead. That is your choice.
But don't give people the wrong advice regarding THEIR phone. The only correct answer to give regarding questions on the water resistance of this device is what is written in the manual. End of story.
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I think we would do better trying to pee in the corner of a barrel! I wrote months ago here, when the mobile was released, that we would soon find owners doing the most ill advised things with the XZ due, in part, to Sony's own un wise advertising campaign
It beggars all belief what some people are doing with the XZ. It also beggars belief that after they do these puerile things they come here and write posts complaining about the mobile!.
We have seen them taken into saunas, swimming pools, the sea, lakes, diving, jet skies, cooked in chocolate and boiled in soup? I do ponder what sort of person has the money and total lack of intellect to do some of the things they do with a domestic mobile phone.
Some of the complaints are absolutely absurd. Deliberately dropping the phone onto a concrete floor from various heights to see how many drops it takes before the glass breaks. Hitting it with a lump hammer? Certifiable behaviour.
What can one do?
im using cm10.1 on my z, cm10.1 camera can use power button as shutter
deadly46 said:
The answer is a big NO! You simply can not use Xperia Z’s touch screen under water whether you want to do anything on your phone.
Why Touch Screen Functionality Doesn’t Work Under Water?
Is it Sony’s manufacturing fault? NO! This is not a fault of Sony, it’s because water conducts electricity.
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Actually, it is Sony's fault.
The up-coming Galaxy S4 Active has a screen that will function underwater, so the fact the Z's screen doesn't is simply a reflection of Sony's choice of parts.
As for the comments about how the phone is only water-resistant 'just in case' it gets splashed and that people are reckless to willingly submerge their handsets, that's ridiculous.
The handset is IP57 rated, that guarantees it will survive submersion to a depth of up to 1m for up to 30mins, provided an owner doesn't exceed that they are doing nothing wrong.
IPX rating is there to ensure the phone doesn't get water damaged. Nowhere does this rating mentions that the said device will work normally when submerged. Its just to protect its body and nothing else.
As for taking underwater photos and video with Z, Sony never advertised this nor mentioned it so please don't point fingers at Sony. You simply cannot keep your expectations in check.
The ZR gets a camera button and also has a higher IP rating than the Z. Sony is advertising underwater photography because of the simple fact that the ZR is designed in a way for it.
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TomLopez said:
For the ones who still want to make small videos of their aquarium or in the swimming pool, I have installed a nice mod that allows you to take photos/videos with the Vol- button
But for rooted devices only...
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Our u can chose the camera timer...
As you said, it's not Sony's fault - but it would be nice to introduce power button shutter and "underwater mode" to our XZ Camera app - or at least, explain why it's not possible - if it truly isn't possible or shouldn't be done. I personally don't care about that - but there are tons of people that do.
I dont really get it. I can use the screen of my Xperia Z underwater. Are there different models out ?
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IPX rating is there to ensure the phone doesn't get water damaged. Nowhere does this rating mentions that the said device will work normally when submerged. Its just to protect its body and nothing else.
As for taking underwater photos and video with Z, Sony never advertised this nor mentioned it so please don't point fingers at Sony. You simply cannot keep your expectations in check.
The ZR gets a camera button and also has a higher IP rating than the Z. Sony is advertising underwater photography because of the simple fact that the ZR is designed in a way for it.
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Here in the Netherlands, they actually show posters with the phone dipped in the water. In the stores there were bowls filled with water where you were able to put it in and I have also seen real life women (sounds nerdy) in showers at the stores, using a XZ.
Maybe they never intended to advertise it like this, but I can defenitely accept why people use it that way.
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I made a underwater test with my Xperia Z in the pool and wanted to share with you all.
I can say no problems.
Submerged it deeper than 1m.(So 1m50cm)
You can't press anything on the screen when the phone is underwater.
I made the images pressing the volume rocker(Camera Zoom FX app)
If you want to ask something more about this,don't be shy.I'll answer
Here are some images of me and my friends
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Nice images
Thanks
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Taking underwater pictures sounds fun Thanks for testing it for us - lets hope Sony will include volume shutter in the next update.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience!!
I bet it was fun!
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No problem
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Very nice, can't wait to test mine in my friend's swimming pool. Thanks
underbeer test has also been made =p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJJEppsw5E
I think that the Xperia Z can go under the sea too(salt water) without any problems.
But,washing it after with clean water.
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beni8978 said:
I think that the Xperia Z can go under the sea too(salt water) without any problems.
But,washing it after with clean water.
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I respectfully and strongly suggest you read with care and attention the manual that came with the XZ ad the threads written on this forum regarding water resistance.
You CANNOT take your mobile into a swimming pool. For the sake of sounding like a parrot I will again write water resistance is far from being water proof PLUS chemicals will affect the water resistance functionality as will temperature and water force regardless of depth. Take a look at some of my more detailed post on this subject, you could save yourself a fortune.
Regards.
Ryland Johnson said:
I respectfully and strongly suggest you read with care and attention the manual that came with the XZ ad the threads written on this forum regarding water resistance.
You CANNOT take your mobile into a swimming pool. For the sake of sounding like a parrot I will again write water resistance is far from being water proof PLUS chemicals will affect the water resistance functionality as will temperature and water force regardless of depth. Take a look at some of my more detailed post on this subject, you could save yourself a fortune.
Regards.
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Yeah, but you know, the manual is also just a guide.
The guide only gives us the conditions that the phone can/needs to handle in order to meet some certain points. For example to be water/dust resistant/proof.
The manual states that you can hold the phone under water with a depth of 1m. Well I'm 99% sure that if you held the phone 2meters under water nothing spectacular would happen, after a while tho the pressure could become too much for the phone. Same goes for the 30min mark, if you hold the phone 31minutes under water doesn't mean that it will suddenly start to leak.
And yes, I know that we're talking about sea/chemical water here, but we've seen numerous videos of people filming while they are in a pool or in an ocean/sea and nothing happened to the phone. If something might happen then it's their own fault of course.
One last note: Lets say you hold the phone under water (depth 50cm or something) after a few minutes/seconds you take your phone out of the water and you notice that your phone has water damage. So you send the device to be repaired, who do you think has going to pay for the costs of the reparation? It will be you... even though you didn't violate the the rules that were stated in the manual.
@Ryland Johnson
You are right.
I readed it all.It says no swimming pool,no sea water.No submerging,nothing.
I understand what you wanted to say with water resistance.
But I was curious to find out can it go underwater in a swimming pool cause I saw some videos on youtube.
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Dsteppa said:
Yeah, but you know, the manual is also just a guide.
The guide only gives us the conditions that the phone can/needs to handle in order to meet some certain points. For example to be water/dust resistant/proof.
The manual states that you can hold the phone under water with a depth of 1m. Well I'm 99% sure that if you held the phone 2meters under water nothing spectacular would happen, after a while tho the pressure could become too much for the phone. Same goes for the 30min mark, if you hold the phone 31minutes under water doesn't mean that it will suddenly start to leak.
And yes, I know that we're talking about sea/chemical water here, but we've seen numerous videos of people filming while they are in a pool or in an ocean/sea and nothing happened to the phone. If something might happen then it's their own fault of course.
One last note: Lets say you hold the phone under water (depth 50cm or something) after a few minutes/seconds you take your phone out of the water and you notice that your phone has water damage. So you send the device to be repaired, who do you think has going to pay for the costs of the reparation? It will be you... even though you didn't violate the the rules that were stated in the manual.
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Yes,we will pay the reparation if the water goes in the ports and make the white marks red.
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Dsteppa said:
Yeah, but you know, the manual is also just a guide.
The guide only gives us the conditions that the phone can/needs to handle in order to meet some certain points. For example to be water/dust resistant/proof.
The manual states that you can hold the phone under water with a depth of 1m. Well I'm 99% sure that if you held the phone 2meters under water nothing spectacular would happen, after a while tho the pressure could become too much for the phone. Same goes for the 30min mark, if you hold the phone 31minutes under water doesn't mean that it will suddenly start to leak.
And yes, I know that we're talking about sea/chemical water here, but we've seen numerous videos of people filming while they are in a pool or in an ocean/sea and nothing happened to the phone. If something might happen then it's their own fault of course.
One last note: Lets say you hold the phone under water (depth 50cm or something) after a few minutes/seconds you take your phone out of the water and you notice that your phone has water damage. So you send the device to be repaired, who do you think has going to pay for the costs of the reparation? It will be you... even though you didn't violate the the rules that were stated in the manual.
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I can see where you are coming from and to an extent agree. Point is in your ultimate paragraph. You write the real world consequences of water ingress in the XZ. It will be the client who pays and why? Because so many of the claims will be due to genuine abuse.
With regard to the chemicals from a swimming pool and salt from the sea, of course the damage done will not be immediately obvious but over time it will be as the seals will become less and less efficient and start to perish. The XZ has an advantage over most other top end similar mobiles in that it can be exposed to a degree of water be that rain or dampness, a degree of dust also BUT the fact is the XZ is still not a commercial mobile and still needs to be treated and respected as a technical device that is still very vulnerable in many areas.
To ME to take the XZ into a shower or swimming pool is absurd? Why would a customer do that in the first place? Who uses a mobile phone IN the shower? Now one takes a shower and leaves the mobile inside the bath room and with wet hands replies that's its real strength. Its not an underwater camera either as we are seeing on this very site.
I guess we will all as customers have to pay our cash and accept the consequences of our actions. It IS a shame some abuse such a wonderful device. I think we are going to read more and more threads regarding owners having water damage with this phone. I still maintain it has been poorly marketed and Sony have given the wrong impression of the XZ's true capabilities.
Kind regards.
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beni8978 said:
@Ryland Johnson
You are right.
I readed it all.It says no swimming pool,no sea water.No submerging,nothing.
I understand what you wanted to say with water resistance.
But I was curious to find out can it go underwater in a swimming pool cause I saw some videos on youtube.
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I understand, there are many clips now of owners doing the most absurd things possible to the XZ like dropping a lump hammer onto it or dropping it on the floor numerous times to see how many times it can be dropped before it breaks!
As long as we understand some of these clips are taken by rather 'challenged' people then we would be best to avoid copying them .
If you look after your devices they should look after you.
Best advise is to treat the XZ as one would any other device of this nature and not expose it to deliberate situations where it may become damaged. If the XZ comes accidently into contact with some water it should be fine.
Rgeards
Ryland Johnson said:
With regard to the chemicals from a swimming pool and salt from the sea, of course the damage done will not be immediately obvious but over time it will be as the seals will become less and less efficient and start to perish. The XZ has an advantage over most other top end similar mobiles in that it can be exposed to a degree of water be that rain or dampness, a degree of dust also BUT the fact is the XZ is still not a commercial mobile and still needs to be treated and respected as a technical device that is still very vulnerable in many areas.
To ME to take the XZ into a shower or swimming pool is absurd? Why would a customer do that in the first place? Who uses a mobile phone IN the shower?
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Though I agree with most of what you wrote, the first thing I did with this phone was make a phone call in the shower. and it still works fine, nice and clean too.
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Ryland Johnson said:
To ME to take the XZ into a shower or swimming pool is absurd? Why would a customer do that in the first place? Who uses a mobile phone IN the shower? Now one takes a shower and leaves the mobile inside the bath room and with wet hands replies that's its real strength. Its not an underwater camera either as we are seeing on this very site.
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This is a debatable section. Why would someone take a phone into the shower? Well lets just leave that in the middle, some people just like to take their phones with them when they take a shower. Of course the phone doesn't get wet in those situations. I know many people that take their phones with them because they can listen to music that way, I never got why people did that, but it's just my point of view. Just like I don't see why people use their phone while they are taking a dump, it's all based on the person.
When you take the phone (non water proof) with you in the shower (Not wetting it of course) it's also bad because of the condense.
Anyways... let me get back to the story....
Why this is a debatable subject: What is the difference when rain falls on the phone and when you take a shower? Not everyone showers with hot water, and I believe that's the only reason why showering with the phone isn't advised. Taking a shower with the phone is the same as rain falling on the phone, they are just drops. 1 from a tap as the source and the other has clouds as the source.
You must have a weak shower. Mine would knock the phone from my hand (if I was silly enough to bring it in there), so a bit more powerful than a few droplets of rain
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This is a debatable section. Why would someone take a phone into the shower? Well lets just leave that in the middle, some people just like to take their phones with them when they take a shower. Of course the phone doesn't get wet in those situations. I know many people that take their phones with them because they can listen to music that way, I never got why people did that, but it's just my point of view. Just like I don't see why people use their phone while they are taking a dump, it's all based on the person.
When you take the phone (non water proof) with you in the shower (Not wetting it of course) it's also bad because of the condense.
Anyways... let me get back to the story....
Why this is a debatable subject: What is the difference when rain falls on the phone and when you take a shower? Not everyone showers with hot water, and I believe that's the only reason why showering with the phone isn't advised. Taking a shower with the phone is the same as rain falling on the phone, they are just drops. 1 from a tap as the source and the other has clouds as the source.
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What makes the difference in water resistance under all circumstances be it a submarine to the XZ is pressure and movement. I have no doubt if the XZ was used in a hurricane with xxx force winds and rain water may enter the phone? The other problem is the soap we use in the shower. This can also degrade the seals on the XZ?
I still maintain the point of all this is ones intent. Accidental water contact to a degree should be fine but to deliberately 'test' the phone is perhaps not a good idea? Its human nature after seeing some of the Sony clips to try it out but......Not for me, I keep my XZ well away from water and think of the water resistance properties as some small form of accident insurance nothing more.
Regards
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You must have a weak shower. Mine would knock the phone from my hand (if I was silly enough to bring it in there), so a bit more powerful than a few droplets of rain
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Ditto.
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eniux said:
Though I agree with most of what you wrote, the first thing I did with this phone was make a phone call in the shower. and it still works fine, nice and clean too.
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Thinking about this how is it possible? Do you mean actually using the phone while in the shower under running water? The noise from the water would make it difficult to hear or be heard PLUS as soon as the speaker and microphone on the XZ get wet the performance of both are drastically reduced until they are dried out? Did you actually wash your phone, I mean like soap and hot water?
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Thinking about this how is it possible? Do you mean actually using the phone while in the shower under running water? The noise from the water would make it difficult to hear or be heard PLUS as soon as the speaker and microphone on the XZ get wet the performance of both are drastically reduced until they are dried out? Did you actually wash your phone, I mean like soap and hot water?
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the earspeakers and microphone work just fine under the shower, I called a friend there this morning well obviously it depends on how you shower I guess, my head isn't underwater the whole time.
just rinsed it with water, never use soap stuff gets all greasy then
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I've taken my XZ in Thermal Waters in Saturnia:
http://www.termedisaturnia.it/en/
I've spent 8 hours there, i've always kept the phone with me, in everty attraction of the Termal resort, iven in depth till 5 meters,
in the hot waterfalls, in the swimming pool all the time, also in the descending course and in the pool with the mud.
I made several calls around, also playd with Internet to check email, and made several shots (i can post some).
In the evening in rinsed the phone with warm water to clean from mud and from SULFUR (there was sulfuric water).
- Perfect -
I personally like Sony as a company and love their smartphones. But there are a couple of things that Sony could improve. Most of thees are related to the Xperia SP but can be seen in their other smartphones also.
The good:
-excellent build quality
-beautiful design
-fair prices and great specs for their mid-range devices
-dedicated camera button
-micro-SD slot
The bad:
-TFT displays - they should really change to IPS
-big bezels - and with the on-screen buttons that really eats a lot of the display
The ugly:
-water resistant - I find this feature useless and only results in a crappy speaker and annoying micro-usb protection
No, I did not include the camera on the list because I think 8 MP are more than enough and it makes for a very decent camera.
Anyway what are your opinions? What do you like about Sony smartphones and what do you think they should improve?
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-water resistant - I find this feature useless and only results in a crappy speaker and annoying micro-usb protection
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the sp isn't water-resistant
maybe you're thinking of the xperia v?
As someone who has drowned a few phones I am all for water resistance. Not keen on virtual buttons though, everything else I'm happy with! Great phones with reasonable prices
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OnScreen buttons are actually a good thing, (yeah, we lost a little of the screen, but is no big deal) and also, e.g. Nexus (so, google-designed phones) doesn't have physical buttons, so that are like 'Google standars' (like three buttons bar) and that help a lot in phone stylish design, one of Sony strong points imao...
About water resistance, I think also is a strong point, I know a lot of ppl that lose their phones due to water (or beer lol), and Sony is the only one that support this feature (at big scale).
Personally, for the good things, I could add near-stock android (hate ubber modifications, like TouchWiz)...
price is the main reason. maybe water resistant is a good idea, becoz i have a bad memories about phone & toilet
warok88 said:
price is the main reason. maybe water resistant is a good idea, becoz i have a bad memories about phone & toilet
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I drowned my desire z in the toilet
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I drowned my desire z in the toilet
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yea maybe stop watching too much porn in the bathroom guys
There have been a number of posts about water damage on the Z series phones for years. Some have even accused these phones of not being truly waterproof. Now, even Sony agrees:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/09/10/sony-changes-stance-on-waterproof-phones-do-not-use-underwater/
This completely sucks since Sony spent $$$$ advertising the waterproof nature of their devices. We should all be getting our money back for false advertising (ha - like that will ever happen).
Why we need threads like this always ><"
I had a z2 and toked it under the shower and recorded my son and wife in the swimming pool and even under water for more then 5 min and same did it with my z3 and all os working still fine and no damage !!
I guess you keep the flaps open.
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I think they are afraid too many people will take the waterproof part for granted, ignoring the chlorine/salt water warning leading to returns for failures. Also there were a sizable minority whose phones weren't properly sealed even with flaps closed (factory defect). All that makes a big difference in relation to returns and customer service issues.
I always saw the waterproof feature as accident protection more than something to purposely take advantage of, despite Sony's advertising.
Basically they are just playing it safe, I don't blame them for that (My opinion). Others may have differing opinions though.
I wouldn't put mine under water even if they were 100% sure it wouldn't get damaged. It's more of a safety feature for me.
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Always looked at it more water resistant than "proof", the iP rating even says resistant
sherlock5545 said:
I wouldn't put mine under water even if they were 100% sure it wouldn't get damaged. It's more of a safety feature for me.
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Please explain the safety hazard of using a sealed, low voltage device in water.
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He meant, he sees it as accident protection more than something to be purposely taken advantage of.
I knew it. Sony just made this statement because of those (sorry) dumb or not so smart people who dunk their z series to salt water, chlorinated water, or chlorinated swimming pool. Sony had enough for them and consumers always mock them like crazy because their phones got dead. To clear things up, they made this statement, to me, there are a lot of consumers who experienced great things with their z series, like they luckily dunk their phones to water and nothing happened, it still works perfectly. But some of the unlucky ones didn't go that well.
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Anyone in the UK fancy trying to claim the product was miss-sold to them? I'd guess a complaint to Trading Standards, your mobile network and Sony would have to be upheld. There is no shortage of promotional material from both Sony and Mobile Networks selling the z3 as the phone you can use underwater...
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Anyone in the UK fancy trying to claim the product was miss-sold to them? I'd guess a complaint to Trading Standards, your mobile network and Sony would have to be upheld. There is no shortage of promotional material from both Sony and Mobile Networks selling the z3 as the phone you can use underwater...
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Seriously, did you not even read the article?! It shows example after example of Sony's advertising explicitly calling the phone "waterproof" and being used while completely submerged in water. Some ads even show it being used in a chlorinated pool. MY BAD!!!
The phone was always advertised as being IP68 rated, meaning fully submersible to 1.5m for 30 min. Now Sony says you can't even do that. Stop defending Sony's lawyers and call them out for the false advertising that they used.
And it was because of so many people on XDA creating threads about their water damaged phones that prevented me from submerging mine. Otherwise, I would have taken it into a pool just as Sony's advertising suggests. It could have been just fine, or it could have irreparably damaged my phone. I'm just no longer willing to take that risk knowing that even Sony won't stand behind their product.
This is a pretty big hit to Sony, or should I say another hit. I really like Sony devices and have owned many so this won't stop me from purchasing a Z5 but you have to wonder how this effects the global market share and Sony's viability in the mobile device market.
I have first Z, Z1s and now Z3. I also have Z tablet and Z2 tablet. I used them all in water either washed them or in the pools without any problem.
So I'm not sure what Sony tried to do with their statements.
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There's a pretty big conversation here over at /r/Android. Maybe you can find some explanation. Personally I just think they changed it because there are idiots who kept getting water in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3kg50z/sony_changes_stance_on_waterproof_phones_do_not/
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Bull****
I just had to send mine to Sonys repair center 2 weeks ago. After using it under water for 5 minutes or less, making sure that the flaps were well closed an not going deeper than 1 meter, the touchscreen stopped working. Beside that, everything was working fine, being able to still using it after connecting a mouse. Luckily they repaired it without any comments but in the technical paper work they do not mention anything about the reason that lead to this. At the shop where I left it, the worker told me that Sony repairs an average of 2-3 devices out of 10 that broke after water damage. The thing is that you can't prove that you have closed well the flaps, and you can't prove that the technician did perform a vacuum test or not to check the devices sealing when they recieved it. All this said, people that do submerge it are at Sonys mercy...so better buy a water resistant bag or case for it, if there is any one to avoid some bad surprises. The phone is on the way and maybe with it I will receive a more detailed explanation of the situation. These are the components that they supposedly replaced:
Screw Other Len:2.6 Diam:1.4
Adhesive Battery Rear
Adhesive Battery Rear 2
Adhesive Rear Panel
Cushion Battery
Technical comments:
Terminal reparado en garantía, funciona correctamente. Se ha realizado un cambio de frontal, actualización de software a la última versión y reseteo del terminal.
Made me laugh, they performed a FRONT change, they keep the vocabulary very ambiguous to avoid generalizing the devices issues. I really expected more from this company.
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I just had to send mine to Sonys repair center 2 weeks ago. After using it under water for 5 minutes or less, making sure that the flaps were well closed an not going deeper than 1 meter, the touchscreen stopped working. Beside that, everything was working fine, being able to still using it after connecting a mouse. Luckily they repaired it without any comments but in the technical paper work they do not mention anything about the reason that lead to this. At the shop where I left it, the worker told me that Sony repairs an average of 2-3 devices out of 10 that broke after water damage. The thing is that you can't prove that you have closed well the flaps, and you can't prove that the technician did perform a vacuum test or not to check the devices sealing when they recieved it. All this said, people that do submerge it are at Sonys mercy...so better buy a water resistant bag or case for it, if there is any one to avoid some bad surprises. The phone is on the way and maybe with it I will receive a more detailed explanation of the situation. These are the components that they supposedly replaced:
Screw Other Len:2.6 Diam:1.4
Adhesive Battery Rear
Adhesive Battery Rear 2
Adhesive Rear Panel
Cushion Battery
Technical comments:
Terminal reparado en garantía, funciona correctamente. Se ha realizado un cambio de frontal, actualización de software a la última versión y reseteo del terminal.
Made me laugh, they performed a FRONT change, they keep the vocabulary very ambiguous to avoid generalizing the devices issues. I really expected more from this company.
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Your situation is typical of other members of this forum. You used the phone as advertised and it failed. I'm not saying you're the majority, but I disagree with those who claim user error. From what I've seen numerous times on this forum, the water doesn't usually enter through the flaps. Many have claimed that the moisture indicator behind the flap never changes color, so it is failing somewhere else.
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GUYS!! This is a misunderstanding by XperiaBlog. Z3+ & Z5 are NOT fully waterproof, because the USB port is not protected. Everything else still is...
It looks like a paradox. I cannot use my phone underwater though it's said to be waterproof.
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Seriously, did you not even read the article?! It shows example after example of Sony's advertising explicitly calling the phone "waterproof" and being used while completely submerged in water. Some ads even show it being used in a chlorinated pool.
The phone was always advertised as being IP68 rated, meaning fully submersible to 1.5m for 30 min. Now Sony says you can't even do that. Stop defending Sony's lawyers and call them out for the false advertising that they used.
And it was because of so many people on XDA creating threads about their water damaged phones that prevented me from submerging mine. Otherwise, I would have taken it into a pool just as Sony's advertising suggests. It could have been just fine, or it could have irreparably damaged my phone. I'm just no longer willing to take that risk knowing that even Sony won't stand behind their product.
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Seriously, did you not even read the post you are replying to? You are saying exactly the same thing.
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Seriously, did you not even read the post you are replying to? You are saying exactly the same thing.
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Wow - yeah, I totally misread his post!
*inserts foot into mouth*
I think it said somewhere that Sony changed its recommendations but not their warranty. You can take it under water, you will get a free repair if it fails. But to keep everyone from doing it Sony has stopped promoting that behaviour.
OK, So, in another forum (Z5P Waterproof Test) I was discussing whether Sony should cover water damage due the claim the Z5P (and other Xperia Z phones) are marketed as waterproof with user KbaB.BroS.
I am curious as to others' opinions on the matter. Obviously we all know that Sony do not cover it under the warranty, but do you think they should?
There restrictions to it being water proof. They do cover it in a case by case basis. For example if it fails the pressure test or not. I seen devices get replaced if it failed, and you can tell it wasn't tampered with. Some people claim they didn't tamper it, but they have dropped their phones more than a handful of times(I believe this was like during the time of the Z1 and you could clearly see dents). If it failed the pressure test then your device isn't waterproof and could be the result of a manufacturers defect(hence why it is covered). Every time I use these devices near water I do a generic pressure test using the test menu just to be safe than sorry. So far it has not failed me.
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There restrictions to it being water proof. They do cover it in a case by case basis. For example if it fails the pressure test or not. I seen devices get replaced if it failed, and you can tell it wasn't tampered with. Some people claim they didn't tamper it, but they have dropped their phones more than a handful of times(I believe this was like during the time of the Z1 and you could clearly see dents). If it failed the pressure test then your device isn't waterproof and could be the result of a manufacturers defect(hence why it is covered). Every time I use these devices near water I do a generic pressure test using the test menu just to be safe than sorry. So far it has not failed me.
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Like this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gowiththejoe.xperiawaterresistance
not sure how that one works, but I use the one in their test menu. I should check that one out though beats going into the dialer
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not sure how that one works, but I use the one in their test menu. I should check that one out though beats going into the dialer
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Just checked. They work the same way, but with that app you get a message that says your phone "probably" is waterproof if the pressure rises.
Hi guys,
I have read that Xperia X and X Compact might be secretely watrerproof. Of course it makes no sense to me and it sounds dumb. Anyway, I have performed a pressure test on my X Compact and actually the results are quite similar to those from Z3 Compact, so maybe there is a grain of truth in these rumors. What do you think guys?
i think there maybe be some true about it, i think a least water resistant he is. The reason sony could be not saying is water proof is to avoid the warranty for water damage, as it cannot be defined as to be hardware fault (bad glue) or due to the user making unintended use (submersion on unclean water, over the time or profundity, leaving the cover open).
For me what favor being water proof, 1- the pressure test; 2- the sim/SD slot having a ruber closing similar to the Z cover model;
Also if you look at the fingerprint sony did input it on the phone and leave it unused.
But how knows the best way would be for someone to do a submersion test, but who wants to do it?
Sony Xperia X Compact in Pepsi Cola
also take a look at the teardown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMfvUJBUWOc it seams to have a glue similar to the olders Z's the usb has a rubber around, earphone jack is glued (mighty be just to fixate) uper speaker is also glued and lower one has a cover similar to the older model (seams like a number one thing) the buttons it dindt show but they seam fixated to the body
It is possible that it's waterproof but for more cost savings they didn't pay to get it certified. All we need is for someone to test it...
My understanding is that the Japanese version is IP rated, while other regions were not. I'm still not planning on testing that theory, but there's a lot of evidence (including anecdotal) that this may be true.
Just tried on my X Compact [pressure sensor test: 993 -> 1002 Millibar].
It works perfectly under water.
No damage after.
It only needs some minutes for the mic to dry completely.
Video on youtube, search for "sony xperia x compact underwater call".
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I'm not allowed to post links here since this is my 2nd post.
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Lets not forget the U.S version wasn't supposed to have a fingerprint reader so the comment about certification could be true, add this and the other video to the equation and it seems like we do have water proofing.
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Lets not forget the U.S version wasn't supposed to have a fingerprint reader so the comment about certification could be true, add this and the other video to the equation and it seems like we do have water proofing.
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Electronics will work in DI water.
It needs to be shown working in a toilet.
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Electronics will work in DI water.
It needs to be shown working in a toilet.
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Fair enough.
Just made another video where the aqueduct water is evident.
Like before, I'm still not allowed to post URLs, so, search on youtube for
"sony xperia x compact waterproofing".
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changed youtube video description to
"sony xperia x compact waterproof - evident aqueduct water"
i think sony just doesnt want to deal with any water problems so they say it's not waterproof so if someone's phone gets water damaged they don't need to take responsibilities. but they made it waterproof because that way it can share parts (SIM tray, charging port, headphone jack etc.) with other devices and don't need to order extra parts
sorry wrong post, can delete