I made a underwater test with my Xperia Z in the pool and wanted to share with you all.
I can say no problems.
Submerged it deeper than 1m.(So 1m50cm)
You can't press anything on the screen when the phone is underwater.
I made the images pressing the volume rocker(Camera Zoom FX app)
If you want to ask something more about this,don't be shy.I'll answer
Here are some images of me and my friends
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new video(20.08.13): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvkABMufQfQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Nice images
Thanks
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Taking underwater pictures sounds fun Thanks for testing it for us - lets hope Sony will include volume shutter in the next update.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience!!
I bet it was fun!
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No problem
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Very nice, can't wait to test mine in my friend's swimming pool. Thanks
underbeer test has also been made =p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJJEppsw5E
I think that the Xperia Z can go under the sea too(salt water) without any problems.
But,washing it after with clean water.
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beni8978 said:
I think that the Xperia Z can go under the sea too(salt water) without any problems.
But,washing it after with clean water.
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I respectfully and strongly suggest you read with care and attention the manual that came with the XZ ad the threads written on this forum regarding water resistance.
You CANNOT take your mobile into a swimming pool. For the sake of sounding like a parrot I will again write water resistance is far from being water proof PLUS chemicals will affect the water resistance functionality as will temperature and water force regardless of depth. Take a look at some of my more detailed post on this subject, you could save yourself a fortune.
Regards.
Ryland Johnson said:
I respectfully and strongly suggest you read with care and attention the manual that came with the XZ ad the threads written on this forum regarding water resistance.
You CANNOT take your mobile into a swimming pool. For the sake of sounding like a parrot I will again write water resistance is far from being water proof PLUS chemicals will affect the water resistance functionality as will temperature and water force regardless of depth. Take a look at some of my more detailed post on this subject, you could save yourself a fortune.
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Yeah, but you know, the manual is also just a guide.
The guide only gives us the conditions that the phone can/needs to handle in order to meet some certain points. For example to be water/dust resistant/proof.
The manual states that you can hold the phone under water with a depth of 1m. Well I'm 99% sure that if you held the phone 2meters under water nothing spectacular would happen, after a while tho the pressure could become too much for the phone. Same goes for the 30min mark, if you hold the phone 31minutes under water doesn't mean that it will suddenly start to leak.
And yes, I know that we're talking about sea/chemical water here, but we've seen numerous videos of people filming while they are in a pool or in an ocean/sea and nothing happened to the phone. If something might happen then it's their own fault of course.
One last note: Lets say you hold the phone under water (depth 50cm or something) after a few minutes/seconds you take your phone out of the water and you notice that your phone has water damage. So you send the device to be repaired, who do you think has going to pay for the costs of the reparation? It will be you... even though you didn't violate the the rules that were stated in the manual.
@Ryland Johnson
You are right.
I readed it all.It says no swimming pool,no sea water.No submerging,nothing.
I understand what you wanted to say with water resistance.
But I was curious to find out can it go underwater in a swimming pool cause I saw some videos on youtube.
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Dsteppa said:
Yeah, but you know, the manual is also just a guide.
The guide only gives us the conditions that the phone can/needs to handle in order to meet some certain points. For example to be water/dust resistant/proof.
The manual states that you can hold the phone under water with a depth of 1m. Well I'm 99% sure that if you held the phone 2meters under water nothing spectacular would happen, after a while tho the pressure could become too much for the phone. Same goes for the 30min mark, if you hold the phone 31minutes under water doesn't mean that it will suddenly start to leak.
And yes, I know that we're talking about sea/chemical water here, but we've seen numerous videos of people filming while they are in a pool or in an ocean/sea and nothing happened to the phone. If something might happen then it's their own fault of course.
One last note: Lets say you hold the phone under water (depth 50cm or something) after a few minutes/seconds you take your phone out of the water and you notice that your phone has water damage. So you send the device to be repaired, who do you think has going to pay for the costs of the reparation? It will be you... even though you didn't violate the the rules that were stated in the manual.
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Yes,we will pay the reparation if the water goes in the ports and make the white marks red.
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Dsteppa said:
Yeah, but you know, the manual is also just a guide.
The guide only gives us the conditions that the phone can/needs to handle in order to meet some certain points. For example to be water/dust resistant/proof.
The manual states that you can hold the phone under water with a depth of 1m. Well I'm 99% sure that if you held the phone 2meters under water nothing spectacular would happen, after a while tho the pressure could become too much for the phone. Same goes for the 30min mark, if you hold the phone 31minutes under water doesn't mean that it will suddenly start to leak.
And yes, I know that we're talking about sea/chemical water here, but we've seen numerous videos of people filming while they are in a pool or in an ocean/sea and nothing happened to the phone. If something might happen then it's their own fault of course.
One last note: Lets say you hold the phone under water (depth 50cm or something) after a few minutes/seconds you take your phone out of the water and you notice that your phone has water damage. So you send the device to be repaired, who do you think has going to pay for the costs of the reparation? It will be you... even though you didn't violate the the rules that were stated in the manual.
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I can see where you are coming from and to an extent agree. Point is in your ultimate paragraph. You write the real world consequences of water ingress in the XZ. It will be the client who pays and why? Because so many of the claims will be due to genuine abuse.
With regard to the chemicals from a swimming pool and salt from the sea, of course the damage done will not be immediately obvious but over time it will be as the seals will become less and less efficient and start to perish. The XZ has an advantage over most other top end similar mobiles in that it can be exposed to a degree of water be that rain or dampness, a degree of dust also BUT the fact is the XZ is still not a commercial mobile and still needs to be treated and respected as a technical device that is still very vulnerable in many areas.
To ME to take the XZ into a shower or swimming pool is absurd? Why would a customer do that in the first place? Who uses a mobile phone IN the shower? Now one takes a shower and leaves the mobile inside the bath room and with wet hands replies that's its real strength. Its not an underwater camera either as we are seeing on this very site.
I guess we will all as customers have to pay our cash and accept the consequences of our actions. It IS a shame some abuse such a wonderful device. I think we are going to read more and more threads regarding owners having water damage with this phone. I still maintain it has been poorly marketed and Sony have given the wrong impression of the XZ's true capabilities.
Kind regards.
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beni8978 said:
@Ryland Johnson
You are right.
I readed it all.It says no swimming pool,no sea water.No submerging,nothing.
I understand what you wanted to say with water resistance.
But I was curious to find out can it go underwater in a swimming pool cause I saw some videos on youtube.
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I understand, there are many clips now of owners doing the most absurd things possible to the XZ like dropping a lump hammer onto it or dropping it on the floor numerous times to see how many times it can be dropped before it breaks!
As long as we understand some of these clips are taken by rather 'challenged' people then we would be best to avoid copying them .
If you look after your devices they should look after you.
Best advise is to treat the XZ as one would any other device of this nature and not expose it to deliberate situations where it may become damaged. If the XZ comes accidently into contact with some water it should be fine.
Rgeards
Ryland Johnson said:
With regard to the chemicals from a swimming pool and salt from the sea, of course the damage done will not be immediately obvious but over time it will be as the seals will become less and less efficient and start to perish. The XZ has an advantage over most other top end similar mobiles in that it can be exposed to a degree of water be that rain or dampness, a degree of dust also BUT the fact is the XZ is still not a commercial mobile and still needs to be treated and respected as a technical device that is still very vulnerable in many areas.
To ME to take the XZ into a shower or swimming pool is absurd? Why would a customer do that in the first place? Who uses a mobile phone IN the shower?
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Though I agree with most of what you wrote, the first thing I did with this phone was make a phone call in the shower. and it still works fine, nice and clean too.
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Ryland Johnson said:
To ME to take the XZ into a shower or swimming pool is absurd? Why would a customer do that in the first place? Who uses a mobile phone IN the shower? Now one takes a shower and leaves the mobile inside the bath room and with wet hands replies that's its real strength. Its not an underwater camera either as we are seeing on this very site.
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This is a debatable section. Why would someone take a phone into the shower? Well lets just leave that in the middle, some people just like to take their phones with them when they take a shower. Of course the phone doesn't get wet in those situations. I know many people that take their phones with them because they can listen to music that way, I never got why people did that, but it's just my point of view. Just like I don't see why people use their phone while they are taking a dump, it's all based on the person.
When you take the phone (non water proof) with you in the shower (Not wetting it of course) it's also bad because of the condense.
Anyways... let me get back to the story....
Why this is a debatable subject: What is the difference when rain falls on the phone and when you take a shower? Not everyone showers with hot water, and I believe that's the only reason why showering with the phone isn't advised. Taking a shower with the phone is the same as rain falling on the phone, they are just drops. 1 from a tap as the source and the other has clouds as the source.
You must have a weak shower. Mine would knock the phone from my hand (if I was silly enough to bring it in there), so a bit more powerful than a few droplets of rain
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Dsteppa said:
This is a debatable section. Why would someone take a phone into the shower? Well lets just leave that in the middle, some people just like to take their phones with them when they take a shower. Of course the phone doesn't get wet in those situations. I know many people that take their phones with them because they can listen to music that way, I never got why people did that, but it's just my point of view. Just like I don't see why people use their phone while they are taking a dump, it's all based on the person.
When you take the phone (non water proof) with you in the shower (Not wetting it of course) it's also bad because of the condense.
Anyways... let me get back to the story....
Why this is a debatable subject: What is the difference when rain falls on the phone and when you take a shower? Not everyone showers with hot water, and I believe that's the only reason why showering with the phone isn't advised. Taking a shower with the phone is the same as rain falling on the phone, they are just drops. 1 from a tap as the source and the other has clouds as the source.
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What makes the difference in water resistance under all circumstances be it a submarine to the XZ is pressure and movement. I have no doubt if the XZ was used in a hurricane with xxx force winds and rain water may enter the phone? The other problem is the soap we use in the shower. This can also degrade the seals on the XZ?
I still maintain the point of all this is ones intent. Accidental water contact to a degree should be fine but to deliberately 'test' the phone is perhaps not a good idea? Its human nature after seeing some of the Sony clips to try it out but......Not for me, I keep my XZ well away from water and think of the water resistance properties as some small form of accident insurance nothing more.
Regards
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kingvortex said:
You must have a weak shower. Mine would knock the phone from my hand (if I was silly enough to bring it in there), so a bit more powerful than a few droplets of rain
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Ditto.
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eniux said:
Though I agree with most of what you wrote, the first thing I did with this phone was make a phone call in the shower. and it still works fine, nice and clean too.
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Thinking about this how is it possible? Do you mean actually using the phone while in the shower under running water? The noise from the water would make it difficult to hear or be heard PLUS as soon as the speaker and microphone on the XZ get wet the performance of both are drastically reduced until they are dried out? Did you actually wash your phone, I mean like soap and hot water?
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Thinking about this how is it possible? Do you mean actually using the phone while in the shower under running water? The noise from the water would make it difficult to hear or be heard PLUS as soon as the speaker and microphone on the XZ get wet the performance of both are drastically reduced until they are dried out? Did you actually wash your phone, I mean like soap and hot water?
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the earspeakers and microphone work just fine under the shower, I called a friend there this morning well obviously it depends on how you shower I guess, my head isn't underwater the whole time.
just rinsed it with water, never use soap stuff gets all greasy then
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I've taken my XZ in Thermal Waters in Saturnia:
http://www.termedisaturnia.it/en/
I've spent 8 hours there, i've always kept the phone with me, in everty attraction of the Termal resort, iven in depth till 5 meters,
in the hot waterfalls, in the swimming pool all the time, also in the descending course and in the pool with the mud.
I made several calls around, also playd with Internet to check email, and made several shots (i can post some).
In the evening in rinsed the phone with warm water to clean from mud and from SULFUR (there was sulfuric water).
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So is there a hack for getting around the whole exploding problem?
Do you think he rooted his phone? If so was this the first case of the Efuse getting revenge.
Finally is there an app for this?
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/2010/12/03/exploding-phone-motorola-droid-2-hospitalizes-a-customer/
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Wow that is insane.... I hope my phone blows up in my face and I can win a big lawsuit with Motorola
HerroMoto said:
Wow that is insane.... I hope my phone blows up in my face and I can win a big lawsuit with Motorola
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I would recommend wearing a helmet lol
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I would recommend wearing a helmet lol
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Lmfao, next time I talk on the phone I'll always have a helmet handy. Thanks for the advice!
He probably had his Droid2 overclocked or heavily modded and it overheated from the strain.
Maybe he didn't read the notes about when u root ur phone the dev is not responsible for ur phone blowing up or killing ur cat or malfunctioning lol... yes i know he prolly wasn't rooted cuz it was only a few days old according to the article or at least so we think... but nonetheless I still immediately thought of every post the devs put up when flashing a custom rom hopefully his hearing is not affected in the long term.
EDIT: just saw the video on FOX4... the man said "It's an incredible phone... perhaps a little too incredible" LOL
OK, I think that this is fake; or to be more precise; guy is faking.
I think that he did had some sort of accident, and due to his lack of medical care, he decided to blame it on phone;
1. only thing that can explode inside mobile phone, is battery. So if she blow up, then there will be more damage on back of phone, and less on front side.
When battery blows up, it makes a lot of heat, so there will be heat marks on phone.
And of course; guy will have his hand injured, not head (or there will be at least some injury to hand)
2. look at this picture:
you can see that part of housing where is hole for speaker is clearly dented inwards (biggest red arrow)? That cracked screen was result of phone being hit by something, not exploding.
3. if there was a explosion, there will be parts of screen missing due to outwards thrust of explosion and that parts will produce injury on guys ear, as he did have his ear injured, but as I can see, all peaces of glass are still holding on, and non is missing, so question is; what have injured his ear??
4. blood on phone looks like it was dropping on to phone (smaller arrows); it's not looking like a splash that will be result of some explosion and spray of blood. And it surly didn't happened afterwards, because guy has mentioned that he notice blood pouring down his neck, and If you had you phone exploding in to your face, you will drop it as far away ass possible; you won't hold it next to your head, so that it can get bloody.
And just to make it clear; this is only mine opinion, based on images and video found on internet, and as that, I can be totally wrong; only legit thing that will make this clear is official investigation.
And something else, not related to that guy and his phone:
4 stitches and a cat scan 4000$ ?!?!?!?! WTF?! Do you in US have golden threads for stitching, and do you get Tai massage while getting cat scan (or even something more)?! That's crazy!!
P.S. Thank you C.S.I.
P.P.S. Here is article with video: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Man-claims-Motorola-DROID-2-exploded-leaving-him-injured_id15068
You are not the only Kob, some of the members of other Android sites have came to the same conclusion as you have. Explosion seems a bit fishy.
tbaker077 said:
You are not the only Kob, some of the members of other Android sites have came to the same conclusion as you have. Explosion seems a bit fishy.
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Yeah; just take a look what battery did to iPhone:
If that happened, then cut on that guys ear would be least of his problems; I have found couple images of some unfortunate peoples hand after that kind of incident, but I won't post them here, because images are to graphic.
On the other hand, here is one article regarding French kid that was injured by iPhone whose screen exploded:
http://hardwarespecs.blogspot.com/2009/08/iphone-exploded-injuring-french.html
And one more article with some different explanation:
http://bbsipodtouchhelp.com/archives/591
They say that it was not a battery, but it was a pressure; they say that he has probably squash phone to hard, and screen broke (and it looks like that, especially if you take in consideration image from start of this post).
Same thing may happened to this guy with Motorola; he was talking to someone on phone, get upset, and squash phone to hard (it's possible if you are really pissed of), and screen broke, and cut his ear. If that's a case, then it's his own fault, and he has no right to ask for compensation from Motorola (but I think that they will pay, just to keep him quiet).....
But I can't take my eyes from that image of phones screen; it totally looks like screen was hit with something.
And one more thing that bother me; i think that was totally lame to play "kids" card by guys wife. It's not like all phones will suddenly start to explode and kill kids. Man, I hate this paranoia that's got in to people these days.
This idiot just dropped his phone and didn't have insurance or something. This pic looks exactly like my phone did when I dropped it. I don't believe his phone "exploded" for a minute.
koberko said:
And something else, not related to that guy and his phone:
4 stitches and a cat scan 4000$ ?!?!?!?! WTF?! Do you in US have golden threads for stitching, and do you get Tai massage while getting cat scan (or even something more)?! That's crazy!!
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Fascinating, isn't it? Just be thankful your country actually puts its citizens' health before that of corporate profit margins.
And yeah, I think you're onto something... the story doesn't really make much sense.
I agree 100% that that is an impact to the front of the phone. Even if the battery melted down or popped it would not take out the speaker. This is an a$$#ole lookin for a paycheck.
Here is one nice comment that makes sense (from this page: http://phandroid.com/2010/12/03/motorola-droid-2-explodes-in-mans-ear-shenanigans/)
heres what happened… idiot dropped his phone.. ok fine… couple days later.. making a phone call while getting in the car.. sliced his ear with the shattered glass…. idiot gets a ‘brilliant’ idea… omg phone exploded in my ear.
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Oh, and one more thing; I think that this guys phone is still working! Check this out:
You can see it for your self in video on this page: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Man-claims-Motorola-DROID-2-exploded-leaving-him-injured_id15068
At 3:00 mark (you can see it blink)
So if that phone is still working, how can he then explode with enough power to injure this guy, but still be working after that???
So, that from quote in beginning of this post makes a lot of sense; he broke glass on phone by some accident, and while using still functional phone, he cut him self on broken glass.
I think there are more factors pointing towards fraud than legitimacy... first off nothing in that phone is powerful enough to exert that kind of force other than the battery which we all know if exploded the phone would not look that intact, it would not be functioning as flashing status light indicated in video, and he would prolly not have hearing on the affected ear. Two the fact that he doesnt have insurance but has a droid 2 seems to be backwards priorities but to each his own... this looks like simple owner negligence nd he wants motorola to give him a free droid nd pay for his self inflicted injuries.
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I think there are more factors pointing towards fraud than legitimacy... first off nothing in that phone is powerful enough to exert that kind of force other than the battery which we all know if exploded the phone would not look that intact, it would not be functioning as flashing status light indicated in video, and he would prolly not have hearing on the affected ear. Two the fact that he doesnt have insurance but has a droid 2 seems to be backwards priorities but to each his own... this looks like simple owner negligence nd he wants motorola to give him a free droid nd pay for his self inflicted injuries.
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Yeah, exactly; and also, ear is full of small vessels, so even minor injury to ear can look messy; and 4 stitches indicate small cut; I has once one injury as a kid, where I got cut in ridge between my eyes (top of nose) and it was bit more then 1cm long (let's say half inch), and I got 6 stitches. And all cuts on face are bloody; that cut that I had, make me lost around 1 liter of blood before I manage to stop it, and till time I got to hospital, I was starting to faint. There they got me couple units of blood and stitch me up, and I was fine.
So, if I had to bet on more likely scenario; I would bet on cut by previously broken glass on phone.
Quacker said:
Fascinating, isn't it? Just be thankful your country actually puts its citizens' health before that of corporate profit margins.
And yeah, I think you're onto something... the story doesn't really make much sense.
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Well, it's not all great here eider; but at least, first thing that passes through you mind when you get injured is not "omg, how much will that cost me?!" And people don't do crazy stunts while trying to come up with money for health bill.
You know the phone is working when his wife tells the news reporters he was getting calls while the phone was with her at school.
tbaker077 said:
You know the phone is working when his wife tells the news reporters he was getting calls while the phone was with her at school.
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In this article is one more news report; a the end, they say that phone is still working and receiving calls (2. clip): http://androidos.in/2010/12/motorola-droid-2-explodes-during-call/
This defiantly eliminates any "explosion"
So, in mine opinion, there are 4 possible scenarios:
1. Some fault in phones glass, that made it crack under normal circumstances and normal operational conditions.
2. User induced stress on phones glass that made it crack
3. Accident not related to phone, and then phone was intentionality damaged to make it look like a phone is cause of that injury.
4. Phone damaged in unrelated incident, but then damaged glass on phone induces injury to guys ear.
^ 4.
As the guy apparenly did not have medical insurance and obviously the hospital came after for payment, he made up the 'explosion' story to try put it on Motorola's bill. How 'shallow' story that is.
I guess explosions are "the fruit phone" specialty /end sarcasm/
koberko said:
OK, I think that this is fake; or to be more precise; guy is faking.
I think that he did had some sort of accident, and due to his lack of medical care, he decided to blame it on phone;
1. only thing that can explode inside mobile phone, is battery. So if she blow up, then there will be more damage on back of phone, and less on front side.
When battery blows up, it makes a lot of heat, so there will be heat marks on phone.
And of course; guy will have his hand injured, not head (or there will be at least some injury to hand)
2. look at this picture:
you can see that part of housing where is hole for speaker is clearly dented inwards (biggest red arrow)? That cracked screen was result of phone being hit by something, not exploding.
3. if there was a explosion, there will be parts of screen missing due to outwards thrust of explosion and that parts will produce injury on guys ear, as he did have his ear injured, but as I can see, all peaces of glass are still holding on, and non is missing, so question is; what have injured his ear??
4. blood on phone looks like it was dropping on to phone (smaller arrows); it's not looking like a splash that will be result of some explosion and spray of blood. And it surly didn't happened afterwards, because guy has mentioned that he notice blood pouring down his neck, and If you had you phone exploding in to your face, you will drop it as far away ass possible; you won't hold it next to your head, so that it can get bloody.
And just to make it clear; this is only mine opinion, based on images and video found on internet, and as that, I can be totally wrong; only legit thing that will make this clear is official investigation.
And something else, not related to that guy and his phone:
4 stitches and a cat scan 4000$ ?!?!?!?! WTF?! Do you in US have golden threads for stitching, and do you get Tai massage while getting cat scan (or even something more)?! That's crazy!!
P.S. Thank you C.S.I.
P.P.S. Here is article with video: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Man-claims-Motorola-DROID-2-exploded-leaving-him-injured_id15068
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awesome reply man
koberko said:
In this article is one more news report; a the end, they say that phone is still working and receiving calls (2. clip): http://androidos.in/2010/12/motorola-droid-2-explodes-during-call/
This defiantly eliminates any "explosion"
So, in mine opinion, there are 4 possible scenarios:
1. Some fault in phones glass, that made it crack under normal circumstances and normal operational conditions.
2. User induced stress on phones glass that made it crack
3. Accident not related to phone, and then phone was intentionality damaged to make it look like a phone is cause of that injury.
4. Phone damaged in unrelated incident, but then damaged glass on phone induces injury to guys ear.
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More awesome points. If I could i'd give you 600 rep points.
Ok. So. Before I begin, I am telling the world my experience with Sony because I feel an injustice has been committed and I want to let people know what they are getting themselves in for.
Right.
So, the day the Xperia Z was released in New Zealand, I went out and purchased one. After seeing many videos on YouTube of people banging the phone on the edge of tables and dropping it into water, I was convinced that it was both durable, functional and fashionable.
So last last week, I was doing the same as any regular day, which was making my hour long commute into University.
That day I had a test, which meant I was pretty nervous about studying, so I decided to stop holding my phone (which is what I usually do on the bus.. just hold my phone and listen to music), and place it in my satchel bag which was on the chair beside me.
After about 10 minutes of listening to music, I decided the current song I was listening to wasn't what I wanted to hear. So, I reached into my bag and pulled out my phone. I noticed some "fluff" on the bottom of the phone, but figured it was just some out of my bag that had gotten stuck to the screen and shrugged it off. I turned on the phone using the power button on the side, and then tapped my finger on the next song button. Nothing happened. I then assumed it had something to do with the so-figured "fluff" on the bottom of the phones display by the mic , and as I reached to brush it off with my finger I noticed that it wasn't fluff at all... It was a group of cracks....
I then angled my phone, and saw that there were a few cracks running to various points on the perimeter of the screen. It was shocked.. and taken aback... How did an Xperia Z, which is marketed as this "durable" beast, succumb to the most mundane of things?
The phone did not break underwater after saving my life from a bullet in an underwater gunfight as I had imagined... No, it had broken in a bag, on a bus.
I later called the hotline, who noted straight away that it was physical damage, even though in a bag on a bus surely is considered in "typical use" as the warranty says, and referred me onto a service center in Auckland.
After hearing a verbal $200-250 estimate repair bill, I paid $40 for a technicians analysis, which was then to be deducted off the final price.
I gave them a call to ask about the repair, and they gave me a new figure. Double that of their estimate. $483...
So my phone is on the threshold of being a write-off ($999 retail). With absolutely no sympathy from Sony, and a massive bill to pay if I am to use it again.
I think this is terrible.. My old phone.. Correction -- current phone.. An iPhone 4, has survived drops, bangs, BUS RIDES, and even a trip in the toilet, without need for repair or damage other than a couple scrapes. No dead pixels... Still works as new practically.
TL;DR "durable" Xperia Z glass front panel cracked doing the most mundane of tasks, in a bag, on a seat, in a bus. Phone is more or less a write-off, and Sony has offered no support or sympathy.
Thanks for reading...
P.S if anyone wants pictures, I cannot post them until I retrieve the phone from the repair shop. I just called today about a quote after the technicians analysis.
I guess bad luck. You probably hit the bag somewhere while commuting and with that hit the screen at the wrong spot. The screen isn't unbreakable and only the polycarbonate frame protects it (because the screen is positioned slightly lower) when banging it on a tables edge or something.
So I'm very sorry for you, but this isn't bad quality of the device or lack of customer service on Sony's part. This is just plain bad luck. Be more careful with your current device. Yes, even your iPhone can break this way.
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This is just plain bad luck. Be more careful with your current device.
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I totally agree with this !
Damn, dude. Sorry about your XZ.
This is where apple IMO have the edge. You break the screen and they have a reasonable flat fee and give you a (refurbished) replacement.
You must have crushed the phone in an awkward place in your bag for it to break though. I had mine fly out of my top pocket, went over my head and landed on a surface about 1 meter away, thankfully it didn't hit the floor though - still it would have dropped about 30-60cms with some speed.
Almost $500 is absurd especially considering the phone brand new is $600 (at a lot of places in Australia).
Ouch.. Seriously, I can't see why u had so many issues with it.
Mine has been banged around for two weeks now, been in the shower multiple times and most importantly survived series of drops in to the ground. I've ordered a 2$ rubber case on eBay, just to be sure!
I think your issue is Sony in your country. It need better insurances!
And yeah iPhone 4 got like 9 lives or something. First we heard about the screens cracking but now how much they overcome(toilet drops, hardcore floor hitting and others!. But still, it can't compare with my Sony Xperia Z!
My opinion!
Cheers! Pietroni
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I don't think Sony ever marketed this phone as super-durable, only water and dust resistant (to a certain point).
salguodnz said:
Ok. So. Before I begin, I am telling the world my experience with Sony because I feel an injustice has been committed and I want to let people know what they are getting themselves in for.
Right.
So, the day the Xperia Z was released in New Zealand, I went out and purchased one. After seeing many videos on YouTube of people banging the phone on the edge of tables and dropping it into water, I was convinced that it was both durable, functional and fashionable.
So last last week, I was doing the same as any regular day, which was making my hour long commute into University.
That day I had a test, which meant I was pretty nervous about studying, so I decided to stop holding my phone (which is what I usually do on the bus.. just hold my phone and listen to music), and place it in my satchel bag which was on the chair beside me.
After about 10 minutes of listening to music, I decided the current song I was listening to wasn't what I wanted to hear. So, I reached into my bag and pulled out my phone. I noticed some "fluff" on the bottom of the phone, but figured it was just some out of my bag that had gotten stuck to the screen and shrugged it off. I turned on the phone using the power button on the side, and then tapped my finger on the next song button. Nothing happened. I then assumed it had something to do with the so-figured "fluff" on the bottom of the phones display by the mic , and as I reached to brush it off with my finger I noticed that it wasn't fluff at all... It was a group of cracks....
I then angled my phone, and saw that there were a few cracks running to various points on the perimeter of the screen. It was shocked.. and taken aback... How did an Xperia Z, which is marketed as this "durable" beast, succumb to the most mundane of things?
The phone did not break underwater after saving my life from a bullet in an underwater gunfight as I had imagined... No, it had broken in a bag, on a bus.
I later called the hotline, who noted straight away that it was physical damage, even though in a bag on a bus surely is considered in "typical use" as the warranty says, and referred me onto a service center in Auckland.
After hearing a verbal $200-250 estimate repair bill, I paid $40 for a technicians analysis, which was then to be deducted off the final price.
I gave them a call to ask about the repair, and they gave me a new figure. Double that of their estimate. $483...
So my phone is on the threshold of being a write-off ($999 retail). With absolutely no sympathy from Sony, and a massive bill to pay if I am to use it again.
I think this is terrible.. My old phone.. Correction -- current phone.. An iPhone 4, has survived drops, bangs, BUS RIDES, and even a trip in the toilet, without need for repair or damage other than a couple scrapes. No dead pixels... Still works as new practically.
TL;DR "durable" Xperia Z glass front panel cracked doing the most mundane of tasks, in a bag, on a seat, in a bus. Phone is more or less a write-off, and Sony has offered no support or sympathy.
Thanks for reading...
P.S if anyone wants pictures, I cannot post them until I retrieve the phone from the repair shop. I just called today about a quote after the technicians analysis.
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never go back to sony for repairs outside of warranty
http://www.parts4repair.com/complet...h&adtype=pla&gclid=CP650rf4rbYCFUlcpQod8gQAEg
Egan said:
I guess bad luck. You probably hit the bag somewhere while commuting and with that hit the screen at the wrong spot. The screen isn't unbreakable and only the polycarbonate frame protects it (because the screen is positioned slightly lower) when banging it on a tables edge or something.
So I'm very sorry for you, but this isn't bad quality of the device or lack of customer service on Sony's part. This is just plain bad luck. Be more careful with your current device. Yes, even your iPhone can break this way.
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It was just sitting on the seat beside me... I didn't do anything
They had no sympathy. Just straight we can't do anything for you, go get it repaired. (paraphrasing)
Sounds like it was the phone was hot, then cold, so the glass cracked?
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It was just sitting on the seat beside me... I didn't do anything
They had no sympathy. Just straight we can't do anything for you, go get it repaired. (paraphrasing)
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Whell, they can't create case history of people calling them and asking to repair free their broken phone.. sorry for you but i agree with the "bad luck theory". My phone fell many times and has only three little scratches on the frame.
(that i think is covered with some sort of gum and that gum is scratched)
metcard said:
Damn, dude. Sorry about your XZ.
This is where apple IMO have the edge. You break the screen and they have a reasonable flat fee and give you a (refurbished) replacement.
You must have crushed the phone in an awkward place in your bag for it to break though. I had mine fly out of my top pocket, went over my head and landed on a surface about 1 meter away, thankfully it didn't hit the floor though - still it would have dropped about 30-60cms with some speed.
Almost $500 is absurd especially considering the phone brand new is $600 (at a lot of places in Australia).
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Yeah.. thats just unfair really.Ugh. Life... :\
robogo1982 said:
I don't think Sony ever marketed this phone as super-durable, only water and dust resistant (to a certain point).
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from the website:
"An incredibly tough frame
The skeleton frame is made of tough glass fibre polyamide. It has superior mechanical strength, and is so strong that it’s often used as a metal substitute in cars and electronics."
"Durable glass panels
Both the front and back panels of Xperia Z are made of durable tempered glass that’s much stronger than conventional glass. Each glass panel also has an anti-shatter film for even greater durability."
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never go back to sony for repairs outside of warranty
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wow... that link is a nice find! I'd include that in my response if I had posted enough.. I wonder if I can leverage this in my negotiations tomorrow with the repair shop at all.. hmm..
I'll post back with how it goes when I know..
salguodnz said:
Ok. So. Before I begin, I am telling the world my experience with Sony because I feel an injustice has been committed and I want to let people know what they are getting themselves in for.
Right.
So, the day the Xperia Z was released in New Zealand, I went out and purchased one. After seeing many videos on YouTube of people banging the phone on the edge of tables and dropping it into water, I was convinced that it was both durable, functional and fashionable.
So last last week, I was doing the same as any regular day, which was making my hour long commute into University.
That day I had a test, which meant I was pretty nervous about studying, so I decided to stop holding my phone (which is what I usually do on the bus.. just hold my phone and listen to music), and place it in my satchel bag which was on the chair beside me.
After about 10 minutes of listening to music, I decided the current song I was listening to wasn't what I wanted to hear. So, I reached into my bag and pulled out my phone. I noticed some "fluff" on the bottom of the phone, but figured it was just some out of my bag that had gotten stuck to the screen and shrugged it off. I turned on the phone using the power button on the side, and then tapped my finger on the next song button. Nothing happened. I then assumed it had something to do with the so-figured "fluff" on the bottom of the phones display by the mic , and as I reached to brush it off with my finger I noticed that it wasn't fluff at all... It was a group of cracks....
I then angled my phone, and saw that there were a few cracks running to various points on the perimeter of the screen. It was shocked.. and taken aback... How did an Xperia Z, which is marketed as this "durable" beast, succumb to the most mundane of things?
The phone did not break underwater after saving my life from a bullet in an underwater gunfight as I had imagined... No, it had broken in a bag, on a bus.
I later called the hotline, who noted straight away that it was physical damage, even though in a bag on a bus surely is considered in "typical use" as the warranty says, and referred me onto a service center in Auckland.
After hearing a verbal $200-250 estimate repair bill, I paid $40 for a technicians analysis, which was then to be deducted off the final price.
I gave them a call to ask about the repair, and they gave me a new figure. Double that of their estimate. $483...
So my phone is on the threshold of being a write-off ($999 retail). With absolutely no sympathy from Sony, and a massive bill to pay if I am to use it again.
I think this is terrible.. My old phone.. Correction -- current phone.. An iPhone 4, has survived drops, bangs, BUS RIDES, and even a trip in the toilet, without need for repair or damage other than a couple scrapes. No dead pixels... Still works as new practically.
TL;DR "durable" Xperia Z glass front panel cracked doing the most mundane of tasks, in a bag, on a seat, in a bus. Phone is more or less a write-off, and Sony has offered no support or sympathy.
Thanks for reading...
P.S if anyone wants pictures, I cannot post them until I retrieve the phone from the repair shop. I just called today about a quote after the technicians analysis.
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mmmmm, unlucky.
Used my xperia z without a case for about 3 weeks and its still fine.
robogo1982 said:
I don't think Sony ever marketed this phone as super-durable, only water and dust resistant (to a certain point).
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Yes sir they do, that is one big hype on all the Xperia Z overview pages on the Sony internet sites
Can you post the picture of the glass crack in your Xperia Z ?
metcard said:
Damn, dude. Sorry about your XZ.
This is where apple IMO have the edge. You break the screen and they have a reasonable flat fee and give you a (refurbished) replacement.
You must have crushed the phone in an awkward place in your bag for it to break though. I had mine fly out of my top pocket, went over my head and landed on a surface about 1 meter away, thankfully it didn't hit the floor though - still it would have dropped about 30-60cms with some speed.
Almost $500 is absurd especially considering the phone brand new is $600 (at a lot of places in Australia).
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Dude I have seen more broken screens on Iphones than any other phone, so I guess they have to do something about it, when the phone to buy outright is almost twice the price of almost any others.
Pure bad luck maybe...?
I hate to say it, but phones don't break by themselves.
Mostly people damage them like a chip on a windscreen and don't notice it, and it gets worse over time until BOOM.
I only know that over the many many years i've had phones, and trust me, since the dark days of bricks i've almost had them all, with all the punishment i've given my phones, including dropping them onto concrete (I've never owned an apple phone before anyone goes hang on), i've never had unexpected issues like this arise. In fact, i've been lucky enough not to actually ever crack or shatter a screen.
Sorry but i'm with Sony on this one, and they burned me with the X10.
As for Apple, they will just tell you your phone is water damaged and to get the hell out of their store unless you come back in a cardigan, slippers and non prescription glasses, and buy a new iphone off them when you do come back.
I used mine as a ping pong ball .....
Maybe you bended it ALOT.
That's pretty sad man. Then again these things happen, but not for everyone. I had a similar issue with my Samsung Galaxy S2. It got bended in my pocket while, I was sitting. When took it to repair they said we cannot fixed it under warranty coz it has been damaged. I was shocked and they said we can fix it with over 400 euros. Its insane.
Best way is to fix it yourself if its fixable by ordering the parts.
if you wanna sell it let us know lol im sure in a few months parts will become really cheap. we have a guy at our local shopping centre who charges by the hour to fix your phone, im sure it wont take more than an hour to replace since i saw a video of one being put together in under 5 min lol
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and to be fair there is no way for sony to really know how it got broken, if apple honoured warrenty on their broken screens they would have gone bankrupt but there is nothing more disspointing than to have that happen. i dropped mine a few times not a scratch on it
Of course shouldn't that kind of dammages be coverd by the warranty. Sony has thr right on their side. On the otherside, I understand that you get mad at Sony.
Xperia Z is a water proof phone that can be used under water. But can its touch screen be used underwater too?
The answer is a big NO! You simply can not use Xperia Z’s touch screen under water whether you want to do anything on your phone.
Why Touch Screen Functionality Doesn’t Work Under Water?
Is it Sony’s manufacturing fault? NO! This is not a fault of Sony, it’s because water conducts electricity.
What functions can be performed?
Play a music before putting it in water, it will not stop
Record Sound
Use Flashlight while making sure its on before going under water
Photography can not be done as it requires touching the screen
What should you do if you want to take a photograph underwater?
As we all very well know that Xperia Z doesn’t have a hardware camera button to take photos so the answer is simple. Set a Timer to take the photo. An alternate method can be to install any other camera app from app store like Camera 360 that lets you set volume buttons as a Camera hardware button to take photos.
Taken from: http://www.neogalaxia.com/2013/06/12/how-to-take-pictures-with-xperia-z-under-water/
deadly46 said:
Xperia Z is a water proof phone that can be used under water. But can its touch screen be used underwater too?
The answer is a big NO! You simply can not use Xperia Z’s touch screen under water whether you want to do anything on your phone.
Why Touch Screen Functionality Doesn’t Work Under Water?
Is it Sony’s manufacturing fault? NO! This is not a fault of Sony, it’s because water conducts electricity.
What functions can be performed?
Play a music before putting it in water, it will not stop
Record Sound
Use Flashlight while making sure its on before going under water
Photography can not be done as it requires touching the screen
What should you do if you want to take a photograph underwater?
As we all very well know that Xperia Z doesn’t have a hardware camera button to take photos so the answer is simple. Set a Timer to take the photo. An alternate method can be to install any other camera app from app store like Camera 360 that lets you set volume buttons as a Camera hardware button to take photos.
Taken from: http://www.neogalaxia.com/2013/06/12/how-to-take-pictures-with-xperia-z-under-water/
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Or there's a mod over here that allows you to use your volume button as a shutter.
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joejoe23 said:
Or there's a mod over here that allows you to use your volume button as a shutter.
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He just copy/pasted the/a misinformed news article or what ever that is, else he would've know that there are mods/apps which let you re-map your hardware buttons to be able to take pictures.
Dsteppa said:
He just copy/pasted the/a misinformed news article or what ever that is, else he would've know that there are mods/apps which let you re-map your hardware buttons to be able to take pictures.
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Haha maybe
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Shall I even bother to reply?
WHY would one want to use this phone to take pictures under water? It is NOT designed with that function in mind. Please do read the manual that came with your XZ before you bugger it up then write here blasting the phone!
Ryland Johnson said:
Shall I even bother to reply?
WHY would one want to use this phone to take pictures under water? It is NOT designed with that function in mind. Please do read the manual that came with your XZ before you bugger it up then write here blasting the phone!
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I thought it says it can survive under water of up to 1 metre for 30 minutes. So why not have some fun photo takings under water? If not its kind of pointless buying this phone.
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The phone is a water resistant phone not a water proof phone
The real idea is for it to survive every day life like getting caught out in the rain, dropping it in the bath or swimming pool
Using buttons under water would certainly risk water ingress
And swimming with it would be a risk, and the warranty does not cover water damage
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sigh...it's always the same...people mistake waterresistant with waterproof.
just because an airbag might save your life in case of a car-crash, you don't drive into a wall on purpose, do you?
waterresistance is your airbag in case your phone gets dropped into water or s.th. like that.
hebbe said:
sigh...it's always the same...people mistake waterresistant with waterproof.
just because an airbag might save your life in case of a car-crash, you don't drive into a wall on purpose, do you?
waterresistance is your airbag in case your phone gets dropped into water or s.th. like that.
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I have been saying EXACTLY the same thing here for months only to be met by general abuse by some owners who are clueless regarding this mobiles water resistance. The water and dust resistance are in case of accidental contact and not to be confused with an industrial made device with underwater capabilities by design..
What ticks me of is when I read threads where owners have the temerity to complain about the XZ when it is damaged due to use in a sauna or after being boiled in soup!
Several posters here have actually copied and attached the Sony guidelines that clearly show what the mobile cannot be exposed to yet some still persist in abusing a domestic phone and thinking the XZ is water proof when it is water resistant and not designed to function under water only survive ACCIDENTAL contact.
I have also said numerous times that its an awful shame that some owners appear to lack the same level of intelligence that the XZ posses!
Have you seen some of the Youtube 'tests'.....more money than sense, take a look at the chocolate clip! Absolutely absurd behaviour.
Regards.
We know you have.........
Do what you want with YOUR phone.
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xchasa said:
We know you have.........
Do what you want with YOUR phone.
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I agree. If you want to possibly destroy your own phone by placing it in situations it wasn't designed to cope with then go ahead. That is your choice.
But don't give people the wrong advice regarding THEIR phone. The only correct answer to give regarding questions on the water resistance of this device is what is written in the manual. End of story.
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For the ones who still want to make small videos of their aquarium or in the swimming pool, I have installed a nice mod that allows you to take photos/videos with the Vol- button
But for rooted devices only...
kingvortex said:
I agree. If you want to possibly destroy your own phone by placing it in situations it wasn't designed to cope with then go ahead. That is your choice.
But don't give people the wrong advice regarding THEIR phone. The only correct answer to give regarding questions on the water resistance of this device is what is written in the manual. End of story.
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I think we would do better trying to pee in the corner of a barrel! I wrote months ago here, when the mobile was released, that we would soon find owners doing the most ill advised things with the XZ due, in part, to Sony's own un wise advertising campaign
It beggars all belief what some people are doing with the XZ. It also beggars belief that after they do these puerile things they come here and write posts complaining about the mobile!.
We have seen them taken into saunas, swimming pools, the sea, lakes, diving, jet skies, cooked in chocolate and boiled in soup? I do ponder what sort of person has the money and total lack of intellect to do some of the things they do with a domestic mobile phone.
Some of the complaints are absolutely absurd. Deliberately dropping the phone onto a concrete floor from various heights to see how many drops it takes before the glass breaks. Hitting it with a lump hammer? Certifiable behaviour.
What can one do?
im using cm10.1 on my z, cm10.1 camera can use power button as shutter
deadly46 said:
The answer is a big NO! You simply can not use Xperia Z’s touch screen under water whether you want to do anything on your phone.
Why Touch Screen Functionality Doesn’t Work Under Water?
Is it Sony’s manufacturing fault? NO! This is not a fault of Sony, it’s because water conducts electricity.
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Actually, it is Sony's fault.
The up-coming Galaxy S4 Active has a screen that will function underwater, so the fact the Z's screen doesn't is simply a reflection of Sony's choice of parts.
As for the comments about how the phone is only water-resistant 'just in case' it gets splashed and that people are reckless to willingly submerge their handsets, that's ridiculous.
The handset is IP57 rated, that guarantees it will survive submersion to a depth of up to 1m for up to 30mins, provided an owner doesn't exceed that they are doing nothing wrong.
IPX rating is there to ensure the phone doesn't get water damaged. Nowhere does this rating mentions that the said device will work normally when submerged. Its just to protect its body and nothing else.
As for taking underwater photos and video with Z, Sony never advertised this nor mentioned it so please don't point fingers at Sony. You simply cannot keep your expectations in check.
The ZR gets a camera button and also has a higher IP rating than the Z. Sony is advertising underwater photography because of the simple fact that the ZR is designed in a way for it.
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TomLopez said:
For the ones who still want to make small videos of their aquarium or in the swimming pool, I have installed a nice mod that allows you to take photos/videos with the Vol- button
But for rooted devices only...
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Our u can chose the camera timer...
As you said, it's not Sony's fault - but it would be nice to introduce power button shutter and "underwater mode" to our XZ Camera app - or at least, explain why it's not possible - if it truly isn't possible or shouldn't be done. I personally don't care about that - but there are tons of people that do.
I dont really get it. I can use the screen of my Xperia Z underwater. Are there different models out ?
msc3169 said:
IPX rating is there to ensure the phone doesn't get water damaged. Nowhere does this rating mentions that the said device will work normally when submerged. Its just to protect its body and nothing else.
As for taking underwater photos and video with Z, Sony never advertised this nor mentioned it so please don't point fingers at Sony. You simply cannot keep your expectations in check.
The ZR gets a camera button and also has a higher IP rating than the Z. Sony is advertising underwater photography because of the simple fact that the ZR is designed in a way for it.
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Here in the Netherlands, they actually show posters with the phone dipped in the water. In the stores there were bowls filled with water where you were able to put it in and I have also seen real life women (sounds nerdy) in showers at the stores, using a XZ.
Maybe they never intended to advertise it like this, but I can defenitely accept why people use it that way.
Hello to all
Today I am going to tell you about a very big disadvantage of Xperia Z, may be some of you already experience it
Before talking about disadvantage you need to know about some Information
As we all know Xperia z is water and dust proof, its means it is an air tight handset. We also know that all the processors and electric chips create heat while they are in use, and the heat from Xperia Z Board remain inside of Xperia Z that’s why we feel it’s back cover heated up when using it.
Heating up device is also because of the Rom software that we are using; right now Sony is not able to give us a perfect Rom for Xperia Z, which will not heat up our device
Second thing to know is about Xperia Z Disassembly
The Xperia Z back cover is not tight up with any kind to screws. It is assembled with some kind to chemical seal material, this seal is lose it up when it is heated
Here is a video for that please take a look 1) Link Daily motion ---- 2) Link you tube
The Disadvantage of Xperia Z
Xperia Z heat up so much during use and it back cover reached up to 38 to 42 Degree temperature
If you are live in country where normal environment temperature is 35 to 45 then both these temperature together make heating up device more, that will be effect on the back cover seal. The life of the seal will also be affected with it
Here are some people who experience already that their device back cover is starting losing up
Here is the link for that please takes a look
Once this seal is losing up its mean our device is not water & dust proof now, and if you put your phone into water in this condition then you can hard brick it
Tips for avoid that
1) Do not use your phone up to that level where your device heated up so much until unless Sony improves the Rom, and heating up problem is solved
2) You can also use custom Rom from different developers that do not make device heat up so much
3) Do not put your phone into water because you don’t know how much seal is losing up from back cover, It’s better to check the seal from a mobile service shop. Because if once water get inside your device then your Xperia Z will be hard brick
4) If phone go overheating just open the ports like headphone,usb and etc.It help to air circulation in phone. this tip is provided by propov
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I really don’t know why sony did not apply screw in the back cover of Xperia Z, this device is expensive, majority of people buy it after a lot of savings and in the end what we found a design disadvantage or fault
I am really wishing that sony will not do this thing with Xperia i1 Honami
During the heating,the overheat control comes into play..it lowers the cpu clock speed and cools the device..btw even during the case of extreme heating,the sealant won't wear off..it may melt if that's what u think,but it's waterproofing capabilities won't be gone...I've dipped my phone many times in water when I first bought the phone cuz the os wasn't that good then and was causing overheating constantly and it was working perfectly, no seepage in my phone and now it's a lot better after updating to 4.2.2 and my phone doesn't cross the 38C mark most of the time..
Hit thanks if I helped u.Sent from my Killer Xperia Z(C6602) using xda premium.
My Xperia Z's never managed to get past 35°.
Probably just because of the weather over here.
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xL3thalTuRdZz said:
My Xperia Z's never managed to get past 35°.
Probably just because of the weather over here.
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in you tube there are so many videos of heating test you can search and take a look
it shows 41 after playing games
GeoSpaceKing said:
During the heating,the overheat control comes into play..it lowers the cpu clock speed and cools the device..btw even during the case of extreme heating,the sealant won't wear off..it may melt if that's what u think,but it's waterproofing capabilities won't be gone...I've dipped my phone many times in water when I first bought the phone cuz the os wasn't that good then and was causing overheating constantly and it was working perfectly, no seepage in my phone and now it's a lot better after updating to 4.2.2 and my phone doesn't cross the 38C mark most of the time..
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if it will not effect the seal then what you think on this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304680
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if it will not effect the seal then what you think on this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304680
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It may be some manufacturing defect bro..I've only said what I've been experiencing since I bought my XZ..I said the adhesive MIGHT melt during extreme heating but would cool down again..we have to be sensible enough not to try pulling out the cover at that time.. Other than that it is really a fine beauty
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The reason why the XZ doesn't use screws is because screws are simply not tight enough to ensure a waterproof seal... thats why adhesive is used since it covers all entrance points into the phone
My XZL gets hot too....
pandaball said:
The reason why the XZ doesn't use screws is because screws are simply not tight enough to ensure a waterproof seal... thats why adhesive is used since it covers all entrance points into the phone
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In a way, what stopped Sony to use adhesive layer + screw and seal on screw to ensure 120% waterproof.....
Apparently lack of testing in extreme conditions..... Would not expect it from flagship development...
Well, I just hope that this "lifted back glass" issue is just attributed to very small scale of defected batch and the rest millions are not affected
This thread forced me to look at my device, and I'm a bit shocked to discover that after just 2 month of VERY GENTLE use, the pearl-color paint on the sides (I have a white XZ)
got a lot of chips and started to peal off on the corners..... WTF
I have the same problem with my Z, the back glass has lifted where the camera.
But I went to a swimming pool last weekend, and took some underwater pics, and till now no problem.
zohaib0001 said:
The Disadvantage of Xperia Z
Xperia Z heat up so much during use and it back cover reached up to 38 to 42 Degree temperature
If you are live in country where normal environment temperature is 35 to 45 then both these temperature together make heating up device more, that will be effect on the back cover seal. The life of the seal will also be affected with it
Here are some people who experience already that their device back cover is starting losing up
Here is the link for that please takes a look
Once this seal is losing up its mean our device is not water & dust proof now, and if you put your phone into water in this condition then you can hard brick it
Tips for avoid that
1) Do not use your phone up to that level where your device heated up so much until unless Sony improves the Rom, and heating up problem is solved
2) You can also use custom Rom from different developers that do not make device heat up so much
3) Do not put your phone into water because you don’t know how much seal is losing up from back cover, It’s better to check the seal from a mobile service shop. Because if once water get inside your device then your Xperia Z will be hard brick
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Please tell me you do actually realise the heat guns in those videos you linked provide a lot more heat than your phone will reach during regular (or even excessive) use. Those guns probably provide around 300 degrees (yes, celsius) hot air, if not more (in fact, probably more). The phone has sensors which both clock down the CPU (to avoid heat) and eventually actually kill power altogether if the temperature is too high for an extended period (providing the OS is running normally and isn't locked up, if that is the case then you should go ahead and hold power and volume down for a few seconds until the screen goes blank).
Oh and climates where the temperature regularly gets to 35-42 degrees are not going to substantially lower the life expectancy of the seals either. Perhaps something like a few weeks in total at most, but then again it doesn't really work that way. Yes, if you leave it in the sun all day on a hot and windless day you might have a problem, but then again that really applies to all countries.
Stop scaring people into thinking their phone is about to fall apart if they play games for too long, that is not going to happen!
People, your phone is waterproof, but don't be ridiculous and go and use water to cool it or something like that, and don't be silly and leave it in a pool all day just because the box says it is waterproof. Instead, think of it as a comfort to not have to worry about your phone when it is raining or if you accidentally spill something on or around it.
Over 3 months daily use and no bulges or issues.
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If phone go overheating just open the ports like headphone,usb and etc.It help to air circulation in phone.
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propov said:
If phone go overheating just open the ports like headpohone,usb and etc.It help to air circilation in phone.
Sory for my English!
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Highly doubtful, and don't blow into any of them either! Just put the phone down for a bit instead, perhaps onto something with good thermal conductivity like a piece of metal or something massive and cool like marble. Maybe turn off some graphics or processor heavy apps.
Modern day adhesives work way better then screws. they save space, weight and costs. They are used everywhere from cars to building construction.
Are they always perfect? well that depends on application and testing. Even Ferrari had some 458's catching on fire due to the adhesives overheating.
cy888 said:
Modern day adhesives work way better then screws. they save space, weight and costs. They are used everywhere from cars to building construction.
Are they always perfect? well that depends on application and testing. Even Ferrari had some 458's catching on fire due to the adhesives overheating.
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Lol..but the phone ain't gonna catch fire in any case whatsoever and yup, adhesives these days are rapidly replacing screws and what I guess is the bulging of the back panel is due to some manufacturing defect,not due to heating of the adhesive..well maybe,unless they had pulled the back panel during that "extreme hot" window of 5 mins..it concludes xz rocks..
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Rekoil said:
Please tell me you do actually realise the heat guns in those videos you linked provide a lot more heat than your phone will reach during regular (or even excessive) use. Those guns probably provide around 300 degrees (yes, celsius) hot air, if not more (in fact, probably more). The phone has sensors which both clock down the CPU (to avoid heat) and eventually actually kill power altogether if the temperature is too high for an extended period (providing the OS is running normally and isn't locked up, if that is the case then you should go ahead and hold power and volume down for a few seconds until the screen goes blank).
Oh and climates where the temperature regularly gets to 35-42 degrees are not going to substantially lower the life expectancy of the seals either. Perhaps something like a few weeks in total at most, but then again it doesn't really work that way. Yes, if you leave it in the sun all day on a hot and windless day you might have a problem, but then again that really applies to all countries.
Stop scaring people into thinking their phone is about to fall apart if they play games for too long, that is not going to happen!
People, your phone is waterproof, but don't be ridiculous and go and use water to cool it or something like that, and don't be silly and leave it in a pool all day just because the box says it is waterproof. Instead, think of it as a comfort to not have to worry about your phone when it is raining or if you accidentally spill something on or around it.
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you take me wrong
i am not here to provide any negativity about xperia z, or i am not scaring the people
i am just sharing information, and of course i am also want to buy xperia z and i will get it within this week so i am not against xperia z
i am just sharing information, if you think that the life of seal is not going to affect then it is your thought and i am sharing mine on the bases of reality with videos
propov said:
If phone go overheating just open the ports like headphone,usb and etc.It help to air circulation in phone.
Sory for my English!
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Thanks for your tip
zohaib0001 said:
Thanks for your tip
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Since I also play games(RR3 and DH4) on my Z, whenever it gets hot, I just place it on the floor for 10 seconds. It cools down to a warmer temperature, enough to continue playing.
zohaib0001 said:
you take me wrong
i am not here to provide any negativity about xperia z, or i am not scaring the people
i am just sharing information, and of course i am also want to buy xperia z and i will get it within this week so i am not against xperia z
i am just sharing information, if you think that the life of seal is not going to affect then it is your thought and i am sharing mine on the bases of reality with videos
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Yeah,.people are definitely free to do whatever to their phones.
Anyway, the phone is designed to be waterproof with the use of seals to keep water out. The electronic components inside are certainly not waterproof. If you see the back lifting, it means gaps (maybe very small) are formed somewhere underneath the back. It's similar to opening the phone up for repair.
It's just common sense that if you have a gap, water can go inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BGQtfDZNt4
Really impressed on how the Z2 did in this test, considering how the Z1 one was rendered inoperable after AA did their drop test on it. Only slight structural damage and the dead pixels with no shattering of the glass.
Even I feel the test really made me very happy.I just loved that even after 3 deadly drops the phone was as good as New.
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Wow it took some time until someone made a drop test but thats really good results.
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Awesome! I watched the videos, was the only one left alive in this test! The rest either stopped working or broke the screen!
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
Awesome! I watched the videos, was the only one left alive in this test! The rest either stopped working or broke the screen!
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No other phone worked? None?
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I don't know about android authority but this is what happened when I dropped mine face down yesterday. I even had a gel casin
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kamalmawa said:
I don't know about android authority this is what happened when I dropped mine face down yesterday. I even had a gel casin
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That's sad.Do u have insurance?
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Ouch... That hurt.
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Forever LG G2
Xperia series too fragile
paras said:
That's sad.Do u have insurance?
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Fortunately yes. But I still have to pay $125 excesses
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kamalmawa said:
I don't know about android authority but this is what happened when I dropped mine face down yesterday. I even had a gel casin
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Do keep in mind that Android Authority's Josh Vergara dropped the phone on what looks to be a very flat surface. From the cracks on your phone, it looks like it might have landed on a pebble or something that could have applied more pressure on that one spot on the screen. It's just bad luck
It is rather odd how norms in society change. Drop tests? We all seriously do realise that this concept is absurd! Who purchases any such mobile device then starts to drop test it? I have just paid 1100€ for new glasses and am not going to drop test them! Guess what, if I did they would break or scratch...SURPRISE.
Any one dropped tested their new born baby yet? Equally absurd and distasteful. WHY would one even expect such a device to survive such drops? Is it designed to be dropped? There are industrial accredited mobile phones and lap tops that are built to survive a certain amount of abuse BUT they are not general consumer units.
I truly find such tests absurd and very immature. Please tell me we are not going to accept such 'tests' as the norm? Any one going to drop test their ultra book costing 1200€? No? Their new car. Drive it into a wall to test the airbags and crumple zones? No? I simply despair at some of the things we now accept in society. Drop tests on technological devices? So absurd it beggars belief.
If you drop your mobile it will be damaged. Is that not as obvious as driving our new car into a wall? What manufacturer says one can drop their device and have it survive? Where is this even written in the specs?
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kamalmawa said:
I don't know about android authority but this is what happened when I dropped mine face down yesterday. I even had a gel casin
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I am GENUINELY sorry you dropped your mobile, that truly is a pain in the neck.
What surprises me is you are surprised it broke? You do realise that its a mobile phone made from Glass and other sensitive interior materials?
One cannot drop such a device and these absurd unofficial 'drop tests' should be taken for what they are, silly and stupid. Problem is they will build into the public this false idea that such devices are designed to be dropped when no manufacturer would dare write such a thing.
Again I am sincerely sorry you dropped your phone. I hope it was insured?
Ryland
kamalmawa said:
I don't know about android authority but this is what happened when I dropped mine face down yesterday. I even had a gel casin
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Looking at the crack pattern, it would seem that it landed on a stone, or something that focused the pressure on a very small surface area, the cracks seem to originate from a very specific point, if it was just the shock that cracked it you wouldn't be able to see a specific origin point from the cracks, whereas this one you can.
Ryland Johnson said:
It is rather odd how norms in society change. Drop tests? We all seriously do realise that this concept is absurd! Who purchases any such mobile device then starts to drop test it? I have just paid 1100€ for new glasses and am not going to drop test them! Guess what, if I did they would break or scratch...SURPRISE.
Any one dropped tested their new born baby yet? Equally absurd and distasteful. WHY would one even expect such a device to survive such drops? Is it designed to be dropped? There are industrial accredited mobile phones and lap tops that are built to survive a certain amount of abuse BUT they are not general consumer units.
I truly find such tests absurd and very immature. Please tell me we are not going to accept such 'tests' as the norm? Any one going to drop test their ultra book costing 1200€? No? Their new car. Drive it into a wall to test the airbags and crumple zones? No? I simply despair at some of the things we now accept in society. Drop tests on technological devices? So absurd it beggars belief.
If you drop your mobile it will be damaged. Is that not as obvious as driving our new car into a wall? What manufacturer says one can drop their device and have it survive? Where is this even written in the specs?
Ryland
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I am GENUINELY sorry you dropped your mobile, that truly is a pain in the neck.
What surprises me is you are surprised it broke? You do realise that its a mobile phone made from Glass and other sensitive interior materials?
One cannot drop such a device and these absurd unofficial 'drop tests' should be taken for what they are, silly and stupid. Problem is they will build into the public this false idea that such devices are designed to be dropped when no manufacturer would dare write such a thing.
Again I am sincerely sorry you dropped your phone. I hope it was insured?
Ryland
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You would love watching techrax, go to his Youtube channel please. Just go to YouTube and type in techrax. I'm sure you will love it so much.
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HeartUnderBlade said:
Do keep in mind that Android Authority's Josh Vergara dropped the phone on what looks to be a very flat surface. From the cracks on your phone, it looks like it might have landed on a pebble or something that could have applied more pressure on that one spot on the screen. It's just bad luck
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Ryland Johnson said:
It is rather odd how norms in society change. Drop tests? We all seriously do realise that this concept is absurd! Who purchases any such mobile device then starts to drop test it? I have just paid 1100€ for new glasses and am not going to drop test them! Guess what, if I did they would break or scratch...SURPRISE.
Any one dropped tested their new born baby yet? Equally absurd and distasteful. WHY would one even expect such a device to survive such drops? Is it designed to be dropped? There are industrial accredited mobile phones and lap tops that are built to survive a certain amount of abuse BUT they are not general consumer units.
I truly find such tests absurd and very immature. Please tell me we are not going to accept such 'tests' as the norm? Any one going to drop test their ultra book costing 1200€? No? Their new car. Drive it into a wall to test the airbags and crumple zones? No? I simply despair at some of the things we now accept in society. Drop tests on technological devices? So absurd it beggars belief.
If you drop your mobile it will be damaged. Is that not as obvious as driving our new car into a wall? What manufacturer says one can drop their device and have it survive? Where is this even written in the specs?
Ryland
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I am GENUINELY sorry you dropped your mobile, that truly is a pain in the neck.
What surprises me is you are surprised it broke? You do realise that its a mobile phone made from Glass and other sensitive interior materials?
One cannot drop such a device and these absurd unofficial 'drop tests' should be taken for what they are, silly and stupid. Problem is they will build into the public this false idea that such devices are designed to be dropped when no manufacturer would dare write such a thing.
Again I am sincerely sorry you dropped your phone. I hope it was insured?
Ryland
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delsus said:
Looking at the crack pattern, it would seem that it landed on a stone, or something that focused the pressure on a very small surface area, the cracks seem to originate from a very specific point, if it was just the shock that cracked it you wouldn't be able to see a specific origin point from the cracks, whereas this one you can.
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No I'm not surprised.. I have friends who broke their S4 screen from having it on the back pocket.. But this is the first time this has happened to me as I have dropped my S1, S3, XZ many times without breaking the screen. In-fact I never had a casin for XZ. I'm not saying that we should worry about the durability of the Z2. This could be just bad luck as it went facedown probably hit something like a small piece of stone like you said..
So my point is don't look at those drop test videos and think your phone will survive in real life conditions when it drops. Make sure to have a full leather casin or something.
Ryland Johnson said:
It is rather odd how norms in society change. Drop tests? We all seriously do realise that this concept is absurd! Who purchases any such mobile device then starts to drop test it? I have just paid 1100€ for new glasses and am not going to drop test them! Guess what, if I did they would break or scratch...SURPRISE.
Any one dropped tested their new born baby yet? Equally absurd and distasteful. WHY would one even expect such a device to survive such drops? Is it designed to be dropped? There are industrial accredited mobile phones and lap tops that are built to survive a certain amount of abuse BUT they are not general consumer units.
I truly find such tests absurd and very immature. Please tell me we are not going to accept such 'tests' as the norm? Any one going to drop test their ultra book costing 1200€? No? Their new car. Drive it into a wall to test the airbags and crumple zones? No? I simply despair at some of the things we now accept in society. Drop tests on technological devices? So absurd it beggars belief.
If you drop your mobile it will be damaged. Is that not as obvious as driving our new car into a wall? What manufacturer says one can drop their device and have it survive? Where is this even written in the specs?
Ryland
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I am GENUINELY sorry you dropped your mobile, that truly is a pain in the neck.
What surprises me is you are surprised it broke? You do realise that its a mobile phone made from Glass and other sensitive interior materials?
One cannot drop such a device and these absurd unofficial 'drop tests' should be taken for what they are, silly and stupid. Problem is they will build into the public this false idea that such devices are designed to be dropped when no manufacturer would dare write such a thing.
Again I am sincerely sorry you dropped your phone. I hope it was insured?
Ryland
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Butthurt much? First of all it's their choice to drop test the phone. How does it bother you that they drop and break "expensive" phones. If they are so expensive for you don't buy them. Second of all they are probably sponsored by the companies.
With iPhone 1 surviving drops was not required because it was in the early years. Now phones develop and dropping is a real issue, because smartphones does not have the same strength as old phones. Phones now a days should survive normal drops, and this test shows that it does (or does not). It helps people with clumsy hands to choose which smartphone they should go for.
Go troll somewhere else.
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kamalmawa said:
I don't know about android authority but this is what happened when I dropped mine face down yesterday. I even had a gel casin
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hi,
really sorry about your phone.
is the screen still working ? if yes, is the digitizer still working too ?
thanks.
kamalmawa said:
No I'm not surprised.. I have friends who broke their S4 screen from having it on the back pocket.. But this is the first time this has happened to me as I have dropped my S1, S3, XZ many times without breaking the screen. In-fact I never had a casin for XZ. I'm not saying that we should worry about the durability of the Z2. This could be just bad luck as it went facedown probably hit something like a small piece of stone like you said..
So my point is don't look at those drop test videos and think your phone will survive in real life conditions when it drops. Make sure to have a full leather casin or something.
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Indeed. Its a shame we need to cover such a handsome mobile but it can pay dividends if we drop them. Any idea of the cost to repair?
Kind regards,
Ryland
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blah blah blah
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It's a durability test , it's done for hundreds of thousands of items in many different ways depending on the item in question! Why wouldn't you want the same done for your device? The only thing wrong with this imo is that someone had to go and pay for a phone to do this rather than it coming directly from Sony themselves.
Your car argument is completely invalid, manufacturers are REQUIRED to have the car crash tested before its even allowed to go on sale just as scratch resistant/proof glasses, glass etc etc....
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M8 didn't really fair well btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRHTlUvpvQE