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The Original Post....
Hi all,
This is my rant about the Xperia Z.
Prior to the Xperia Z, i was using a Galaxy Note 2. I loved the vividness of the screen (I know, unnatural colors) but hated how the 'white' was 'yellowish'. When the Xperia Z was introduced to the market, I fell in love with it's shape, and I have always wanted a phone that looked this good. It was waterproof so another bonus as I always wanted the ability to be able to wash my phone whenever it gets too dusty.
Sold off the Note 2, and bought the Xperia Z right away. The first issue I noticed was the display. It was sharp which was good, but the colors seemed washed out. Eventually I got used to it. The subsequent firmware added more contrast to the screen and after that, I had no complaints. The issue that cannot be fixed is the dead pixels. I have about 8 or 9 of them but they were only noticeable if the brightness was set at the maximum level.
Now, with the flaps, it is quite troublesome to remove them whenever you want to charge the phone or transfer stuff to / from the phone. I read about people who needed to replace their flaps and I didn't want this to happen to me. I bought a Note 2 QI wireless receiver and the charging dock. I modded the wireless receiver so it would fit the Xperia Z's charging point and it work. The downside to this is the battery heats up to 42.6 Celsius and it would stop charging randomly because of the heat. I had to go back to charging via USB. I use a case with all my devices so the official charging dock is not an option.
This is the case that I was using. My whole phone was wrapped with the casing and I took perfect care of it. Never has it once dropped or handled in a violent manner yet, last week, when i decided to wash the phone as it was dusty, I found a dent / line of crack (Vertical) at the top part of the phone on the left side (Right is where the headphone jack is located). I have no idea how the crack formed but it was quite heartbreaking.
Now the battery life. It is not bad, but not good. Not bad as it could last me a day of extremely light usage. I am forced to set my screen brightness at the lowest possible setting and turn the auto brightness off. Anything more and the battery would drain rapidly. I had to make use of the app, ds battery saver pro to turn off my data connection and turn it on every 15 minutes to receive notifications (email,whatsapp,wechat). I had to flash an awesome custom kernel (DooMKernel) so I could under-volt the device and clock it at 810MHz. With this, the battery would last me about 12 hours with about 2 hours of screen on time. The battery is used up my data connection whenever I turn the screen on. I visit the gym regularly so I'd play music via Bluetooth which accounts about 2 - 3 hours of usage. I grew tired of having to constantly conserve my usage just so the battery would last. Now, I know there are people who are extremely pleased with the battery life of their device and I don't want to argue on that. My point is, the battery is not suitable for my usage.
Finally, as some of you may notice, there were posts here claiming that there were specks of dust appearing on the images captured from the camera although there is nothing on the lens. Initially I assumed that these were just a minor occurrence, but I noticed the same on my phone yesterday. There were 3 dots and they were not dust. There aren't any scratches on my camera and I couldn't possibly think of a cause.
First of all, if mine would have dead pixels and also on the camera, I would return it.
Secondly, 12h with 2hour screentime is also not normal.
I get more than that with 45min of gaming, and internet on all the time
DoubleYouPee said:
First of all, if mine would have dead pixels and also on the camera, I would return it.
Secondly, 12h with 2hour screentime is also not normal.
I get more than that with 45min of gaming, and internet on all the time
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Unfortunately it's not as easy, in Malaysia. I know it could be done easily in the west / 1st World countries, as I would have done that immediately. It doesn't work as easily here. The camera issue happened yesterday, and about the dead pixel, it didn't bother me as they didn't appear on the lowest brightness.
arvin2212 said:
Unfortunately it's not as easy, in Malaysia. I know it could be done easily in the west / 1st World countries, as I would have done that immediately. It doesn't work as easily here. The camera issue happened yesterday, and about the dead pixel, it didn't bother me as they didn't appear on the lowest brightness.
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I love my phone.. let me suggest that you get rid of Doom Kernel..
Install this - ROM][CM10.1][AOKP][PA with HALO & PIE][OVERCLOCK 1944 MHz] PAC v23.0.0 - 0611 [ 1 2 3 ... Last ]
Set the CPU governer to ondemand
Yay a other rant and complain. Cool.
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About Ur flaps and charging u always can use a charging dock. The sony oem one isn't that expensive or get an aftermarket one, then u don't have to worry about the flaps.
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arvin2212 said:
Hi all,
This is my rant about the Xperia Z.
Prior to the Xperia Z, i was using a Galaxy Note 2. I loved the vividness of the screen (I know, unnatural colors) but hated how the 'white' was 'yellowish'. When the Xperia Z was introduced to the market, I fell in love with it's shape, and I have always wanted a phone that looked this good. It was waterproof so another bonus as I always wanted the ability to be able to wash my phone whenever it gets too dusty.
Sold off the Note 2, and bought the Xperia Z right away. The first issue I noticed was the display. It was sharp which was good, but the colors seemed washed out. Eventually I got used to it. The subsequent firmware added more contrast to the screen and after that, I had no complaints. The issue that cannot be fixed is the dead pixels. I have about 8 or 9 of them but they were only noticeable if the brightness was set at the maximum level.
Now, with the flaps, it is quite troublesome to remove them whenever you want to charge the phone or transfer stuff to / from the phone. I read about people who needed to replace their flaps and I didn't want this to happen to me. I bought a Note 2 QI wireless receiver and the charging dock. I modded the wireless receiver so it would fit the Xperia Z's charging point and it work. The downside to this is the battery heats up to 42.6 Celsius and it would stop charging randomly because of the heat. I had to go back to charging via USB. I use a case with all my devices so the official charging dock is not an option.
This is the case that I was using. My whole phone was wrapped with the casing and I took perfect care of it. Never has it once dropped or handled in a violent manner yet, last week, when i decided to wash the phone as it was dusty, I found a dent / line of crack (Vertical) at the top part of the phone on the left side (Right is where the headphone jack is located). I have no idea how the crack formed but it was quite heartbreaking.
Now the battery life. It is not bad, but not good. Not bad as it could last me a day of extremely light usage. I am forced to set my screen brightness at the lowest possible setting and turn the auto brightness off. Anything more and the battery would drain rapidly. I had to make use of the app, ds battery saver pro to turn off my data connection and turn it on every 15 minutes to receive notifications (email,whatsapp,wechat). I had to flash an awesome custom kernel (DooMKernel) so I could under-volt the device and clock it at 810MHz. With this, the battery would last me about 12 hours with about 2 hours of screen on time. The battery is used up my data connection whenever I turn the screen on. I visit the gym regularly so I'd play music via Bluetooth which accounts about 2 - 3 hours of usage. I grew tired of having to constantly conserve my usage just so the battery would last. Now, I know there are people who are extremely pleased with the battery life of their device and I don't want to argue on that. My point is, the battery is not suitable for my usage.
Finally, as some of you may notice, there were posts here claiming that there were specks of dust appearing on the images captured from the camera although there is nothing on the lens. Initially I assumed that these were just a minor occurrence, but I noticed the same on my phone yesterday. There were 3 dots and they were not dust. There aren't any scratches on my camera and I couldn't possibly think of a cause.
I had to hide some of the information present in the picture but I highlighted the black spots. They were static and appeared in all the subsequent pictures. If I were to lower the resolution, more dots would appear on the left side of the image. I Googled (Click me) and found that is is not only exclusive to a few members on XDA. This is happening to many others as well. I tried going back to the original 434 firmware and the dots were still there.
Finally, I decided to sell off this phone at a slight loss. My first smartphone was the HTC Touch Pro. Then I upgraded to the Dell Streak (For nearly 2 years) and the Samsung Galaxy Note 2. I never faced any hardware defects with those phones and claiming for warranty was something that was at the back of my mind. I thought i was immune to problems that others were reporting with their phones. I was immune for awhile, and then I ended up being in the same boat as some Xperia Z users. I was extremely proud of this phone, as it looked good while being solid and had the premium feel but there is where it ends.
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As another poster suggested you should return the phone under legal Sony international warranty regardless of where you live.
Failing that and with the knowledge that warranties are a problem in your country I would have to ask myself why risk purchasing ANY expensive device that cannot be repaired under normal international warranty? If I had such knowledge and lived in such Dickensian circumstances I would buy cheap and not suffer such a loss.
I do find it very hard to believe that you cannot make a claim because you live in Malaysia though. Sony carry an international warranty.
Lastly ALL and EVERY electronic devices can have problems regardless of brand, Sony is no exception. Its no fun at all when paying such a large sum for a top end phone BUT the higher the specification the more there is to go wrong so in a rather odd sort of way we are victims of our own desires. How did you sell it with all those problems? I bet the new owner loves you?
Regards.
dante501 said:
Yay a other rant and complain. Cool.
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dante501 said:
About Ur flaps and charging u always can use a charging dock. The sony oem one isn't that expensive or get an aftermarket one, then u don't have to worry about the flaps.
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I bet you didn't read through the whole post. I have mentioned that all my devices are covered with a case and the dock only fits the device without the case so it is pointless for me to get it.
Ryland Johnson said:
As another poster suggested you should return the phone under legal Sony international warranty regardless of where you live.
Failing that and with the knowledge that warranties are a problem in your country I would have to ask myself why risk purchasing ANY expensive device that cannot be repaired under normal international warranty? If I had such knowledge and lived in such Dickensian circumstances I would buy cheap and not suffer such a loss.
I do find it very hard to believe that you cannot make a claim because you live in Malaysia though. Sony carry an international warranty.
Lastly ALL and EVERY electronic devices can have problems regardless of brand, Sony is no exception. Its no fun at all when paying such a large sum for a top end phone BUT the higher the specification the more there is to go wrong so in a rather odd sort of way we are victims of our own desires. How did you sell it with all those problems? I bet the new owner loves you?
Regards.
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For warranty claims, it'll take some time to receive the phone back. It is urgent for me to use the phone so it'll be hard to wait for the warranty to take place. Some people are still waiting for their phone after nearly a month, as I found in my local forum. Anyways, the new owner is aware of the issues and is aware that they can be fixed. He can wait for the warranty to take place, I can't. I sold it at a loss, because of the mentioned issues.
u should just wait for warranty...
a pitty that u sold it, anyway how much did u sell it for? just want to know what the market price for the sxz 2nd nowdays
ILoveXperia said:
a pitty that u sold it, anyway how much did u sell it for? just want to know what the market price for the sxz 2nd nowdays
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As what I heard, over at our region, there isn't much value for 2nd hand Sony phones. Just like how the price for the Xperia Z dropped rapidly. A shame I would say.
arvin2212 said:
Market price for 2nd hand is around RM14xx. As what I heard, over at our region, there isn't much value for 2nd hand Sony phones. Just like how the price for the Xperia Z dropped rapidly. A shame I would say.
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well its true, thats why i dont buy flagship phone when its officially release here in malaysia, sure drop price after 3-4 months. for me personally, use 2 phones, only use my z for browsing, games abit, camera, wash in water(showoff ). my nokia e66 pretty much my main phone:silly: just love the old phone
btw i have not yet have issue on camera having black dot suddenly, been using my z for a month and a half now. care to inform me of your detail of the phone? eg, when u bought the phone, is it original or local ap, and any info about the software u had before the problem. thanks.. i have read your post but in need of more detail.
ILoveXperia said:
well its true, thats why i dont buy flagship phone when its officially release here in malaysia, sure drop price after 3-4 months. for me personally, use 2 phones, only use my z for browsing, games abit, camera, wash in water(showoff ). my nokia e66 pretty much my main phone:silly: just love the old phone
btw i have not yet have issue on camera having black dot suddenly, been using my z for a month and a half now. care to inform me of your detail of the phone? eg, when u bought the phone, is it original or local ap, and any info about the software u had before the problem. thanks.. i have read your post but in need of more detail.
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True. Even the SGS4 dropped it's price significantly. Some claim that it is due to excessive stock , while the rest says that it's probably due to the release of the LTE version. I believe the price drop on the SGS4 is more severe than the Xperia Z though.
I bought the Xperia Z on the 15th of April 2013. I noticed the dots on the camera on the 12th of June, just 3 days shy of being 2 months old. Found a thread on XDA HERE and I found out that many more are complaining about it. Whats worse is someone sent it to be repaired and the phone lost it's waterproof ability. The phone that I own is an AP set marketed for Sweden.
My main usage is whatsapp, and instagram and Jefit pro. I use Jefit pro to help with my workout in the gym. Other than that, when I am in the gym, I'll play music via bluetooth. Another funny issue is , using poweramp, no matter what configuration i use, music titles would show as 'unknown' on my sony ericsson MW100 (2nd gen). When it was paired with my note 2, music titles displayed without any issue. The walkman app would display the music title though but the sound reproduction of poweramp seems to be better.
I have a tasker profile that whenever i connect to a known wifi network, my lockscreen would be disabled. Whenever I press the "next" or "previous" button on my bluetooth headset while playing music, the screen on the device would turn on. Never faced this behavior on my previous phone. Other than that, I don't do much surfing on the device whenever I am outside of the house due to the battery life.
arvin2212 said:
Market price for 2nd hand is around RM14xx. As what I heard, over at our region, there isn't much value for 2nd hand Sony phones. Just like how the price for the Xperia Z dropped rapidly. A shame I would say.
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For Singapore, HTC phones don't have much value fortunately.
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DoubleYouPee said:
First of all, if mine would have dead pixels and also on the camera, I would return it.
Secondly, 12h with 2hour screentime is also not normal.
I get more than that with 45min of gaming, and internet on all the time
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actually yea it is, I got the same thing, all mobile data no wifi. stamina mode and greenify.
G1_enthusiast said:
actually yea it is, I got the same thing, all mobile data no wifi. stamina mode and greenify.
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I am glad you agreed. That is the truth after all. Brightness is set all the way down to 0 with automatic brightness turned off.
I don't use stamina mode or greenify because DS Battery pro kills the data connection and that was all that I neeeded. Tasker was set to turn off auto sync whenever my phone leaves the charger. I don't think the battery could do better than that.
I tried running a youtube video (Dead Pixel massager) on wifi, clocked at 594 MHz @ 72500 MV (Undervolted) and my screen on time was about 5 Hours 1 minute before the device ran low on battery.
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5 hours with that usage it's a good time
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I had the N1 which i soled, now i have the NS - i have been using it for about 2 Weeks and here are my conclusions so far:
Note: i'm not trying to tell you if you should buy this Smart Phone Or if you should replace your N1 for the NS. i'm just going to give you some Information and explain the differences between these two devices as i see them.
To my opinion the N1 is a unique device. it has a good feel in your hand (metal feel), it has a trackball. it has many ROM options (Modaco,Cyanogen,and many others) which provides enough options for you if you want to get the most of it.
To me, until the last day that i had it it felt perfect. and after tweaking it (Root+Recovery+ROM+Lang+Bidi+RTL+Keyboard+Kernel+More-Tweaking) i got To the place where all i had to do is ROM-BackUp from time to time and that's all.
Than Why should i sell it you say ? - that is a good question.
Well, the first thing you notice when you turn on the Google NS is the Super Amoled Display - it doesn't matter how much i'll try to explain it, one glance at it And you will notice that too. it is much brighter then any other screen i saw, the Colors are beautiful. when you are out in the open, you can use your device Almost as if you are inside a room by increasing the brightness level.
For me this is one of the main reasons to choose this SmartPhone.
The NS comes with Android 2.3.1-Gingerbread (after OTA update from 2.3.0) - which is much faster then FROYO.
(yes,you can install it on the N1 too)
Ok, so it has a better screen.. is that a good enough reason to buy the NS ?
Well there are other things that should also be considered:
It has a front camera ("Skype" should allow Video calls soon... and "Google Talk" will probably too) and there are already apps such as "Tango" that let's you use
the front camera.
Another thing is being the first to get the Google updates.
If you want to always be the first to get Android/Google apps updates that is the SmartPhone for you.
The NS also has the NFC device (near field communication) which currently has no Use and when it will - you probably use it with a newer SmartPhone... so this is Not a point for the NS
Battery - this is only a speculation right now but the NS should have a better Battery life then the NS. the combination of a bit larger battery (1500 mAH), Tweaked kernel and the more efficient screen, should provide better battery life.
We will probably see that when Stable ROMs will go out.
SD - No SD ?
yea, no SD - ever.
It has a 16GB FlashDrive(you get a free space of about 13G) which for me is More Then enough.
If you need more then that ,you will have to go with the Samsung Galexy S.
Which has an SD Card.
Not having the SD card actually makes life a bit easier. no messing with Partitioning , App to SD and all that. just install you apk.
Buttons:
Same as the screen there is a big difference Here:
If you are using the N1 you already know that the buttons (Back,Menu,Home,Search) are not so responsive and sometimes it can be Annoying.
At the NS the buttons are a part of the screen and they are much more Responsive.
You use them as if you are touching an icon on the screen.
This gives a very responsive device and i believe anyone will notice the difference At first use.
SIP:
Native sip support is more then a nice thing to have.
Yes there are apps such as "SipDroid" that provides the same thing.
But it is more likely that native support means less CPU, less leggy functions.
Don't get me wrong, "SipDroid" is doing a great job. but in time we will probably see that Using an integrated SIP account (and Video Calls) runs a bit better and that it is well integrand to the phone (account,calls,notifications, receive calls...)
Update: 11.01.2011
GPS Lock:
Some people say they notice a slow GPS Lock.
I decided to check that and i'm updating the results here:
I tried the GPS about 10 times while driving to work and back, and also while standing out in the open.
At each time the GPS Lock took less then 30 seconds, and i was even able to use my Navigation app "Waze".
there where times that the Lock was about 5 seconds after i turned on the GPS.
As far as i can see GPS Lock is fine.
please confirm / disagree
So in the end you get a:
Much more responsive, crystal clear, faster, updated device that can make Video calls.
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That is how i see it.
Enjoy android.
Ummmm.. I thought you still need to move apps to "usb storage" on the NS?
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imneo1 said:
I had the N1 which i soled, now i have the NS - i have been using it for about 2 Weeks and here are my conclusions so far:
Note: i'm not trying to tell you if you should buy this Smart Phone Or if you should replace your N1 for the NS. i'm just going to give you some Information and explain the differences between these two devices as i see them.
To my opinion the N1 is a unique device. it has a good feel in your hand (metal feel), it has a trackball. it has many ROM options (Modaco,Cyanogen,and many others) which provides enough options for you if you want to get the most of it.
To me, until the last day that i had it it felt perfect. and after tweaking it (Root+Recovery+ROM+Lang+Bidi+RTL+Keyboard+Kernel+More-Tweaking) i got To the place where all i had to do is ROM-BackUp from time to time and that's all.
Than Why should i sell it you say ? - that is a good question.
Well, the first thing you notice when you turn on the Google NS is the Super Amoled Display - it doesn't matter how much i'll try to explain it, one glance at it And you will notice that too. it is much brighter then any other screen i saw, the Colors are beautiful. when you are out in the open, you can use your device Almost as if you are inside a room by increasing the brightness level.
For me this is one of the main reasons to choose this SmartPhone.
The NS comes with Android 2.3.1-Gingerbread (after OTA update from 2.3.0) - which is much faster then FROYO.
(yes,you can install it on the N1 too)
Ok, so it has a better screen.. is that a good enough reason to buy the NS ?
Well there are other things that should also be considered:
It has a front camera ("Skype" should allow Video calls soon... and "Google Talk" will probably too) and there are already apps such as "Tango" that let's you use
the front camera.
Another thing is being the first to get the Google updates.
If you want to always be the first to get Android/Google apps updates that is the SmartPhone for you.
The NS also has the NFC device (near field communication) which currently has no Use and when it will - you probably use it with a newer SmartPhone... so this is Not a point for the NS
Battery - this is only a speculation right now but the NS should have a better Battery life then the NS. the combination of a bit larger battery (1500 mAH), Tweaked kernel and the more efficient screen, should provide better battery life.
We will probably see that when Stable ROMs will go out.
SD - No SD ?
yea, no SD - ever.
It has a 16GB FlashDrive(you get a free space of about 13G) which for me is More Then enough.
If you need more then that ,you will have to go with the Samsung Galexy S.
Which has an SD Card.
Not having the SD card actually makes life a bit easier. no messing with Partitioning , App to SD and all that. just install you apk.
Buttons:
Same as the screen there is a big difference Here:
If you are using the N1 you already know that the buttons (Back,Menu,Home,Search) are not so responsive and sometimes it can be Annoying.
At the NS the buttons are a part of the screen and they are much more Responsive.
You use them as if you are touching an icon on the screen.
This gives a very responsive device and i believe anyone will notice the difference At first use.
SIP:
Native sip support is more then a nice thing to have.
Yes there are apps such as "SipDroid" that provides the same thing.
But it is more likely that native support means less CPU, less leggy functions.
Don't get me wrong, "SipDroid" is doing a great job. but in time we will probably see that Using an integrated SIP account (and Video Calls) runs a bit better and that it is well integrand to the phone (account,calls,notifications, receive calls...)
So in the end you get a:
Much more responsive, crystal clear, faster, updated device that can make Video calls.
That is how i see it.
Enjoy android.
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Great overview + screenshots. Been looking for a overview between these two. I was considering getting one, but now i have changed my mind and think im going to wait for the dual-core LG Optimus 2X and otther phones.
The LG Black has a NOVA display, i would like tp see how that compares with the Super Amoled.
Great Overview
You forgot one of the worse things on the Nexus One. The "multi-touch"
-Nexus S
NS has much more space for applications before app2sd applied.
Touchscreen is much more responsive on NS than nexus one.
Speaker and speakerphone are better on NS.
However...
Nexus one can take SD which has up to 32GB of storage.
Nexus one has slightly better 3G reception by dB value.
Nexus one will work with ANY T-Mobile internet service while NS is flagged for 4G web only.
An excellent overview and very nice personal account of your transition journey, it's still been less than a month for UK users since the NS's launch I too am looking forward to what the updates will provide for this handset.
Despite what some people think, I think the NS is a worthy upgrade over the N1. It corrects every flaw that the N1 had.
It's without a doubt faster. Doesnt have the same annoying hitching and lag. The touchscreen and capacitive buttons actually respond to touch. The cellular radio performs better. The screen is bigger and much easier to read. Has more internal storage.
My biggest gripe with the NS is the lack of LED notification. That was an extremely cool and useful feature on my NS. I personally dont care that the NS is made of plastic and I actually like the sleek shiny blacked out look.
Good review. OP, where did you get that clock widget of yours? Is it one of the skins from beautiful widgets?
I still like my Nexus One. what hold me back.
1) High power consumption coupled with slow charging(Nexus S)
Nexus One charging time is very fast..Nexus S charging rate is much slower and causing long charging time..at least 3 hours to get full charge..
It lasts 15 hours..the most and take long time to charge..very inconvenient.
I need to always carry charging kit around..
=> I am now trying to turn off background service to conserve power.
2) Freaking GPS locking speed on Nexus S...> 1 min ..impractical for geo tagging picture taking. Luckily once locked,the GPS is stable for road navigation,relatively better than Galaxy S but no where near Google Nexus One.
3) The bugs on 2.3.1 are definitely much more than Nexus One when first launch with 2.1
I hope to have quick OTA to make this phone perfect..
Charging time on the Nexus is a definite bummer.
I wonder if the longer charging time on the Nexus S is a result of the .7amp charger shipped with it.
Most other smart phones, including the iPhone, EVO, Nexus One, et al, use a 1amp charger.
unremarked said:
I wonder if the longer charging time on the Nexus S is a result of the .7amp charger shipped with it.
Most other smart phones, including the iPhone, EVO, Nexus One, et al, use a 1amp charger.
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Any idea if there is a problem with using the NS and a 1amp charger? I imagine not, but why else would they ship a .7amp charger?
I have been using a 2 amp charger with mine with no problems, though it is certainly not taking all 2 amps - charging times are still not that fast. The advantage with the NS is that it will go into what-passes-for-fast-charging mode with any USB source that offers more than the 0.5A spec'd by USB.
The N1 only fast charges (mode AC) if the charger has two of the USB pins shorted. The charger that ships with the N1 does this, but just about no third-party chargers do it. So, if you use even a 2A (lot of third-party charges are 2A) or a 5A third-party USB charger (iPad charger, anyone?) with the N1, it stays in "USB" charging mode and will not draw over 450mA - and the N1 at 450mA and being used takes more than 7 hours to charge.
Also, the battery life on the NS is AT LEAST one and a half times the duration of the N1 with equivalent use, if not longer. I could make a "short" day with the N1, but I HAD to top it off before going out at night if I didn't want to get left high and dry. The NS will probably make it without any problem.
So, here are the NS wins versus the N1:
Screen
Screen touch sensitivity
Real, reliable multitouch
Capacitative button sensitivity
Readibility outdoors
Battery life
Charging time with third-party chargers
The "current" Google phone = first updates
Performance - the 1ghz ARM + SGX540 kills the Snapdragon's 1Ghz ARM plus Adreno 200 - and it kills it by a LOT.
Much better back cam
Better video (stock v. stock) especially in the sound, since it uses a better codec.
Front cam
Maps 5 with "full" capabilities
Better speaker and speaker phone.
Here are the N1 wins versus the NS:
Trackball with light inside
LED notification light
Longer history, so there are tons of mod choices just waiting to be tried out.
For now, a somewhat smoother browser experience on certain sites thanks to better rendering configuration and (maybe) more GPU acceleration in the browser. This will certainly change, either with a Google-furnished update or with custom roms that use the old tricks pioneered on the Droid and used equally on the Nexus One.
After 5 days usage with Nexus S versus Nexus one
Weakness of Nexus S
1) Super slow charging, regardless of charger type used(including the ship with original charger).
2) GPS locking speed is bad, > 2min
3) Weaker wifi reception showed on Nexus S..I dont know is this status bar display calibration problem or really the reception is lower..Any other method that can report Wifi reception in dB..so that I can do side by side comparison between Nexus one and Nexus S...
4) Power consumption
=> Nexus S definitely dry up faster than Nexus One..So far, I have never successfully getting Nexus S to last > 15 hours without recharging..
Similar usage and programs installed on Both Nexus one and Nexus S, Nexus one will last >24 hours versus 15 hours on Nexus S.
On light usage, Nexus one can last for 40hours..
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Any idea if there is a problem with using the NS and a 1amp charger? I imagine not, but why else would they ship a .7amp charger?
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I'm inclined to agree with you. A quick googling of this question seems to say that the ampage(.7 vs 1) wouldn't cause an issue so long as the voltage was correct. This agrees with what little I know on the issue in that the phone will pull as much charge as it can and not pull more than it can handle regardless of what's connected to it.
I can't imagine, however, that the Nexus S is incapable of handling a 1amp charger because like I mentioned, every other high end smart phone on the market uses them. Unfortunately, I don't have such a charger now otherwise I'd test it out.
I used my original N1 charger on the NS and it is still slow....
I had the phone for nearly a month and while I agree that it is a step up from the N1 in almost all regards I reluctantly returned it last week.
In terms of smoothness, I felt the NS and N1 were quiet similar, especially with the N1 running custom ROMs and Kernels. The biggest thing I will miss about the NS is the screen. The 4in screen is perfect and anti-fingerprint screen worked well; fingerprints and smudges wiped off easily.
Nexus one charger Nexus S
I have been using the N1 charger on my NS since day one. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
I will try and time the actual charging from dead to fully charged over the next few days to see if there is any time difference (although I doubt it).
I am also seeing that my phone will only charge to 98%. I will never mark a full 100%. This has been since day one.
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I am also seeing that my phone will only charge to 98%. I will never mark a full 100%. This has been since day one.
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Q: I unplugged my phone, and my battery dropped from 100% to 95% immediately, or it won't/takes along time to charge past 99%, what gives?
This is by design. Your phone will slow down and eventually stop pulling charge at or slightly greater than ~95% regardless of what your battery indicator says. This is to extend the overall life of the battery, as constant 100% to 0% charge/discharge cycles will cause it to fail prematurely. If you're interested in really pushing it to 100%, you can use a technique that is called "bump charging" and is better detailed here: http://bit.ly/f6xiZ0
Q: When I reboot my phone while it's charging, the battery jumps from X% to Y%, what gives?
I'm honestly not sure what causes this, but sometimes Android/Gingerbread gets confused on how much exact charge is in your battery if you reboot it while it's charging. However, from personal observation, it's just a display issue. Android/GB will eventually start showing the correct percentages once the battery has "caught up" with what it thinks it is at. Also wiping the battery stats(root only) seems to help alleviate this issue. Either way, it's not a large concern.
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After 5 days usage with Nexus S versus Nexus one
Weakness of Nexus S
1) Super slow charging, regardless of charger type used(including the ship with original charger).
2) GPS locking speed is bad, > 2min
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Really? coming from a nexus one, I find that the gps locks almost instantly on the nexus s.
I haven't had the phone for too long and only used the gps 4-5 times. Every single time, it's locked on the gps the moment I turn on google navigation.
I've had my NS for about 6 days now and am having nexus one withdrawals.
My thoughts:
I miss the N1's noise cancellation mic. You can vacuum and talk on the phone I've done it.
No LED is annoying and the noled app is a subpar solution for the NS.
Miss the N1 grip and design, gorilla glass screen, teflon feeling back.
Wifi reception seems reduced.
Battery life seems to be about the same.
5 Point multi touch NS vs 2 N1 is nice
Screen size upgrade is nice
The feel is actually decent, light
I love the gingerbread battery performance stats now.. much more informative than the battery graph I used for the n1
Im using xperia arc as of now but im planning to buy sgs2 just for future proofing of a smartphone device..but im reading a lot of negative comments as to overheating aand yellowish tint on the screen and pinkish discoloration in the cam..or all u sgs2 users, can u comment with full honesty on ur device? Iys really my first choice..htc sensation will be my 2nd choice.. Will that overheating be fixed with a firmware upgrade? How bout the cam, battery and discoloration problem?
please please i need a smart and honest opinion..
► Well, I don't have any Overheating issues. I don't think there is any overheating issue if I am not wrong. Yes, it could be possible that some devices are damaged in manufacturing, but that's very few. Also keep in mind that the device will be heated if you play game for prolonged hours, if you play games while charging, if you put a bad/fully back covered case while charging/playing, but that doesn't mean Overheat. Always check Temperature of the battery before quoting it as 'Overheat', without a figure that term is meaningless.
► Pink spot in photos were a firmware related problem, which is gone away with new firmware releases. You could also try to update the Camera firmware separately.
► For Yellowish tint in display see this thread,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079444
Besides, no device is perefect, each and every has their own problem, you just have to find a near perfect one, which I believe GSII is. You can go for Sensation too, then you'd have to visit XDA for much more time, as it will have more problem than GSII
Regards.
The only issues I have had is a broken USB port which I got a swapped out phone for, so no problem there.
The battery life is great as far as I am concerned even when moderately hammering the phone...4-6 hours of screen on time per charge depending upon what you are doing with it. It's only bad if you use badly coded apps installed I think.
Hardware issues such as a dodgy screen can easily be resolved by taking the phone back for a swap.
Software issues will all get sorted out with firmware updates I believe. Not that I really think there is much wrong.
People complaining on forums is a bad method of judging a phone, after all millions of people have the phone and there are relatively few real complaints on here.
I say go for it, you won't regret it, have had many phones by lots of different manufacturers and this is genuinely the first one I cannot stop playing with. It's a real life changer to be honest.
1. No yellow tint here, at least me and my friends can't see it on my phone even if it exists and general opinion is that it exists on every SII to a lesser or greater extent.
2. Pink spot on camera here, no matter which official firmware i updated with Kies, no matter what camera firmware i installed. It only pops up in certain conditions, that's why people say they don't have it or say it's fixed.
3. Overheating - depends on what one considers to be overheating. My battery temeprature never got past 48 % degrees, but this temperature feels hot for your fingers when touching the screen or back cover.
thanks for both of u guys...
implanning to buy maybe this last week of august..
in my xperia arc experience, i didnt encounter any overheating..in fact even when im playing need for speed or heavy gunnerm or gt racing which are my 3 fave games my phone dont event get warm...in charging, yes, but only for the first 30 mins i guess..
i feel it gets warm only when im using 3G when browsing..
i hope those problems as just an isolated issues...btw, im working ins saudi arabia as of now..im not sure about the latest firmware available here. i heard about gingerbread 2.3.4 already released for SGS2..is it already available in ur country or u still have to flash it yourself?
If your not in a rush maybe you could wait till the holidays, its rumored that a new andriod reference device ( the Nexus S ) will be out by that time, also a new Galaxy S line device for sure.
For the issues you posted:
1.) Overheating - Some phones seem to run hotter than others, ive been through a couple of replacements and this one I have runs hotter when gaming/surfing and also runs noticeably hotter when charging.
2.) Yellow tinting on the left side - Luck of the draw, if your buying the phone for its screen it might tick you off depending on how severe the issue is that you got on the phone, Using a 2.3.4 kernel alleviates this issue but the left side is a tad bit dimmer and is noticeable proportional to the yellow tint. Some users are not affected by this because they plainly dont see it (which is great) others have accepted this as a "normal" defect hence why samsung never rectified this issue. There are also legit QC issues on the screen refer to this
3.) Pink spot on camera - we dont really know if all phones are affected by Im guessing NOT due to the very low participation on the thread in XDA and also a very low or non existent internet media coverage about this, a very minor issue TBH.
4.) Battery Life - Its great, dont expect it to out last any netbook or laptop though.. I believe only the IP4 can outlast the battery on the S2 especially with wifi 24/7 with tons of IM and email apps.
i see no problems with mine .
love it in fact .
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great dev side too here on xda
It's full of problems!
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If your not in a rush maybe you could wait till the holidays, its rumored that a new andriod reference device ( the Nexus S ) will be out by that time, also a new Galaxy S line device for sure.
For the issues you posted:
1.) Overheating - Some phones seem to run hotter than others, ive been through a couple of replacements and this one I have runs hotter when gaming/surfing and also runs noticeably hotter when charging.
2.) Yellow tinting on the left side - Luck of the draw, if your buying the phone for its screen it might tick you off depending on how severe the issue is that you got on the phone, Using a 2.3.4 kernel alleviates this issue but the left side is a tad bit dimmer and is noticeable proportional to the yellow tint. Some users are not affected by this because they plainly dont see it (which is great) others have accepted this as a "normal" defect hence why samsung never rectified this issue. There are also legit QC issues on the screen refer to this
3.) Pink spot on camera - we dont really know if all phones are affected by Im guessing NOT due to the very low participation on the thread in XDA and also a very low or non existent internet media coverage about this, a very minor issue TBH.
4.) Battery Life - Its great, dont expect it to out last any netbook or laptop though.. I believe only the IP4 can outlast the battery on the S2 especially with wifi 24/7 with tons of IM and email apps.
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Honestly I have a lot of friends with iphones and the general consensus is that they get like 14 hours... Now maybe that is because they haven't updated or w.e but I just flashed the latest nightly and my battery life is really good so far... I expect to get 18 hours today.
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Battery last about 6 hours. Crap.
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Battery last about 6 hours. Crap.
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Weird, I get at least a day from mine, moderate-heavy use..
Bought from T-Booth, unlocked from Bell to Rogers using an unlock service. Absolutely LOVE the device but the battery life is frustrating. With great power... comes great responsibility in keeping a charger with you. Apparently. lol.
I feel like everyone is being really picky when it comes to those issues, its just like the whole iPhone's antenna gate problem, it wasn't really a big problem because when i had the iPhone, i never dropped a call. I bet you that you wouldn't even notice the issues if you didn't read this forum
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Weird, I get at least a day from mine, moderate-heavy use..
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Yeah maybe I am still conditioning the battery. Looks somewhat better today.
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Im using xperia arc as of now but im planning to buy sgs2 just for future proofing of a smartphone device..but im reading a lot of negative comments as to overheating aand yellowish tint on the screen and pinkish discoloration in the cam..or all u sgs2 users, can u comment with full honesty on ur device? Iys really my first choice..htc sensation will be my 2nd choice.. Will that overheating be fixed with a firmware upgrade? How bout the cam, battery and discoloration problem?
please please i need a smart and honest opinion..
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I've not had any issues with the items you mentioned. Maybe I'm color blind but I'm not seeing any discoloration.
I have never tried the xperia Arc but between the SGS2 and Sensation, the choice is easy, SGS2. I have both and the Sensation is a real disappointment IMO
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I feel like everyone is being really picky when it comes to those issues, its just like the whole iPhone's antenna gate problem, it wasn't really a big problem because when i had the iPhone, i never dropped a call. I bet you that you wouldn't even notice the issues if you didn't read this forum
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Lol, but you didn't have AT&T. You don't antenna gate for dropped calls with that network
Buying a new phone for futureproofing is always a bad solution. No matter what, there will ALWAYS be new and better technology in less than a year after (Moore's law applies here too)... when that is said, the SGS2 really is a good candidate for holding on to in the next couple of years. But don't buy a phone, and think it's futureproofed - it's NOT.
If it's shear power, then the SGS2 really is a good choice, forget about the Sensation... it's really not that good!! I will say that the SGS2 is the best phone, i have ever owned... and that is said very honestly!!
If it's shear design... keep your Arc, as it's a very nice phone, and very beautyfull to look at. It also has a good camera, which is slightly better than the 2 other phones, when it comes to taking pictures in the dark. And it has specs, that is okay, and apart from space for apps - it will stand it's grounds for some time yet. And when it can't cut the mustard anymore, the SGS3 will be out...
Tend to agree, you will future proof for about a month or two, with the rate that new android devices arrive the SGS2 will be out of date by Christmas, but that doesn't mean its forgotten, it will be one fast beast for quite some time until the quad cores arrive next year.
The only problem I have is the incredibly slow charging time even on the standard official mains charger.
No pink tint in camera, no or I cant see this screen yellow thing.
Why the need to upgrade from the Arc in the first place? I came from the Nokia 5800, and that thing is just too limited for my use for example. Good thing S2 came out just in time
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I feel like everyone is being really picky when it comes to those issues, its just like the whole iPhone's antenna gate problem, it wasn't really a big problem because when i had the iPhone, i never dropped a call. I bet you that you wouldn't even notice the issues if you didn't read this forum
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Heya, I tried to put as much information in the title and although I could easily write a wall of text here I'll try and keep it short and sweet
I was wondering if this type of topic belonged in the Q&A section.. But I believe it is more of a general discussion topic rather than something which can be solved
Please note that I am not asking which is the better phone or trying to start another flame war.. I'm just going to list my thoughts and hope that some of you can share yours!
Baseline facts:
Sony Xperia Z - Unlimited data £26pm (LTE later this year)
HTC One - Unlimited data £28pm (LTE later this year)
So, I received my Xperia Z today and to be completely honest I am not blown away by it at all (Which is actually a first for me as every phone I have ever owned has astounded me in some fashion).
I decided on it due to the overall price and the screen size (bigger is better) thinking that both were evenly matched
Okay, strait to the point.. Here is what's bothering me:
The screen size - Comparing it to my Nexus 4 (With the onscreen buttons hidden) a 4.7" screen is almost identical to a 5" screen with on screen buttons.. So one of the advantages over the HTC One is null
As the HTC one has dedicated buttons
The look - Maybe it's because I had my heart set on the HTC one or maybe its because I fell in love with the curves of the Nexus 4 but.. This just looks like a slab (Covered in fingerprints)
The feel - The phone actually kinda feels sharp / awkward when I hold and use it in one hand
Rooting worries - I've always ended up rooting and flashed every every android phone I've owned.. But I've read some horror stories about losing features (DRM and Bravia Engine). I really don't want to lose these as they are one of the few "WOW" factors this phone has
This is one worry that I'm sure could easily be put to rest by someone here
Battery life - Granted, I have been playing with it for most of the afternoon but it's lost a hell of a lot of battery in a rather short space of time. I'm not usually one to moan about battery life as I routinely charge every night but I need my phone to last all day with mid-heavy use
Notification Lag - Strangely enough while using Google+ auto-backup / instant upload feature my nexus 4 is getting notifications much faster (Minutes) than my Xperia despite the fact that the Xperia is the one uploading (Thus not in deep-sleep). Is this something anyone else is experiencing?
Speaker position - In a word.. Annoying. I've covered it more times than I can count and I've only used it a few times
Internet Lag - It seems to take about 5 seconds to switch from "H" to "H+" and then to start sending / receiving data leaving me staring at a blank page for a while.. Could be an issue with my network but I'm just throwing this out there.
Finally just general factors such as less power (Poorer specs) to the HTC One.. Almost every review site I have seen claims the HTC One is just "Better", even the camera on the HTC One is "Better" according to most of them so the Xperia really falls short on every mark.
Now the reason I posted this here is because I want to hear the opinions of those who actually own an Xperia Z and to get your opinions.. I already know what answer I'd get if I posted this over in the HTC One forums
On a side note I got one of these packaged with my Xperia Z:
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It's still sitting in the box along with my contract simcard, headphones, charger and screen protectors as I'm not sure if I'm going to keep them. Its a nice touch though and defiantly a plus point :victory:
I was planning on buying a bluetooth headset anyway, this one even has NFC and a much "higher-end" product than I would consider
Thanks to everyone who read this topic, I'm really not asking which one is "better" or trying to start any form of a flame war. I just want to know your opinions.. Would you switch? Why? Why not?
And please, please, please list out some positive features of the Xperia Z as I'm seriously disillusioned here
I'm talking about features, gimmicks, accessories, anything to make it standout!
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Okay, strait to the point.. Here is what's bothering me:
The screen size - Comparing it to my Nexus 4 (With the onscreen buttons hidden) a 4.7" screen is almost identical to a 5" screen with on screen buttons.. So one of the advantages over the HTC One is null
As the HTC one has dedicated buttons
The look - Maybe it's because I had my heart set on the HTC one or maybe its because I fell in love with the curves of the Nexus 4 but.. This just looks like a slab (Covered in fingerprints)
The feel - The phone actually kinda feels sharp / awkward when I hold and use it in one hand
Rooting worries - I've always ended up rooting and flashed every every android phone I've owned.. But I've read some horror stories about losing features (DRM and Bravia Engine). I really don't want to lose these as they are one of the few "WOW" factors this phone has
This is one worry that I'm sure could easily be put to rest by someone here
Battery life - Granted, I have been playing with it for most of the afternoon but it's lost a hell of a lot of battery in a rather short space of time. I'm not usually one to moan about battery life as I routinely charge every night but I need my phone to last all day with mid-heavy use
Notification Lag - Strangely enough while using Google+ auto-backup / instant upload feature my nexus 4 is getting notifications much faster (Minutes) than my Xperia despite the fact that the Xperia is the one uploading (Thus not in deep-sleep). Is this something anyone else is experiencing?
Speaker position - In a word.. Annoying. I've covered it more times than I can count and I've only used it a few times
Internet Lag - It seems to take about 5 seconds to switch from "H" to "H+" and then to start sending / receiving data leaving me staring at a blank page for a while.. Could be an issue with my network but I'm just throwing this out there.
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- Screen size: Can't really say anything about it since I came from the Note, and compared to that, the XZ is "a lot" smaller (Depends how much a lot is for some people)
- The looks: Just a matter of ones opinion. For me the XZ is the best phone I've seen thus far.
- The feel: Yap it could have been better
- Rooting worries: Totally bs. You will lose the things you mentioned when you unlock your Bootloader, but you don't need to that for root. And by saving your TA partition before you unlock your BL for the first time you can always re-lock it to get BE2 etc back.
- Battery life: What can we expect from a 2300 mAh battery, for that "small" capacity it's actually quite good. (Removable would've made it even better) Since the new FW the battery life has gotten worse for most people I think.
- Notification Lag: ?? No clue
- Speaker position: I Guess I'm one of the few that it doesn't bother, I use my speaker like.... once per month? Why do people complain so much about it. Listening music through such things is already bs if you're a real music lover, the only thing I use it for is like my ringtone when I receive a call. But most of the times I'm not holding my phone in my hand when I'm receiving a call so I have no problem there.
- Internet Lag: Once again no clue there.
It's a good topic you made, purely based on your own opinion, but because of that reason I also wonder why you made it in the first place.
It doesn't really add anything since (like I said before) it's purely based on an opinion.
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P.S. I also wonder why they didn't put like a dedicated button for the camera on the XZ.
You can say because of the water resistance, but the phone already has 3 buttons on the side (vol +/-, power) so I wonder if a fourth one would've mattered that much.
I also wanted to buy a HTC One instead of my XZ. The main reason why I went to the XZ is because the XZ looks in my opinion ofcource more like a buisness phone. The reason why HTC One dropped away from my list is also because it doesn't have an equalizer for my taste. As for me, I don't have a facebook nor any other social media account, so the UI of the HTC wouldn't be any handy for me. Can't say anything about the batterylife of the One because I never actually used it longer than a few mins, but the XZ's batt life is really crap compared to my Arc's. But I've managed to get it all along with automatic app killer and closed alot of apps and dimmed the screen a bit. The specs are good enough to run everything smooth, we're not going to play crysis on it. Browsing is fantastic on this phone, never lagged on the websites I browse. The screen is simply amazing especially with the new firmware. The smallapps is really something I really got used to it, can't do without them anymore. Videos and pictures are for some not good enough, but for me it's brilliant. Just need to play with the settings of the camera and got the most amazing pictures ever. Walkman and other Sony dedicated apps are also good.
Don't get me wrong, I also like the HTC One, I just don't find the htc handy enough. The Htc sense it just nothing for me, just eats alot of memory. The speakers ofc beats the XZ's speaker, but that's something nothing to worry about. Just use the headset, nobody wants to listen to your music.
As for built quality, XZ feels very solid in the hand. Drop the htc and u get the screen in pieces because the glass is edge to edge. And the Htc doesnt feel really premium quality in my hand. It has something of a toyish feeling in the hand.
Just an advice, go test the HTC One out in a local store like I did. Compare them to eachother, and you'll see what I mean. However, it's still your opinion and taste to buy the better one you think of. They are both very good phones, and blast the hell out of samsungs plastic toys.
Edit: Just browsed at thr HTC One topic and I'm actually glad I've bought the Xperis Z. Build quality sucks they say. Screen cracked easy in pocket and camera screen cracked etc. The battery ain't wow either.
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Cool, just do it we don't have to know
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- Screen size: Can't really say anything about it since I came from the Note, and compared to that, the XZ is "a lot" smaller (Depends how much a lot is for some people)
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Thanks for your comments!
Yeah I don't use the speaker for playing music but if I hear a new song or find something funny / amazing on youtube I instantly want to share that with friends and family.. What's easier than just whipping out your phone?
Thanks for clearing up the root worries, I read a few horror stories and thought it may not be worth the hassle.
This is kind of a selfish topic as I only created it because I have less than 7 days to send it back if it isn't right for me. But hopefully with people sharing their thoughts / opinions like yourself this could help other people facing the same problems!
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I also wanted to buy a HTC One instead of my XZ. The main reason why I went to the XZ is because the XZ looks in my opinion ofcource more like a buisness phone. The reason why HTC One dropped away from my list is also because it doesn't have an equalizer for my taste. As for me, I don't have a facebook nor any other social media account, so the UI of the HTC wouldn't be any handy for me.
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Thanks, I'll definitely try-out the HTC One instore. Who knows, it could feel worse to grip than the Xperia Z! I have been tweaking the camera and it's taking really nice shots even in poor light, I'll take it on some trips and see if the battery can keep up
I hadn't heard about the issues people have been having with the HTC One
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Well that's just it.. All the review sites have given me plenty of reasons to switch to the HTC One, I really hate making any decision with only half the story..
As I know I'll regret it if I ended up with the wrong device for me
The screen size
i came from iphone and previously even smaller phone, so first impressions were like ''OMG 5 inches way too big'', after using during some couple days, it fits to me naturally. the weight balance and thickness make it less big it really does
The look
i am not degrading HTC, XZ is simply more beautiful, i agree with others, its one of most design smartphone ever seen
i had a Sony Ericsson W880i before, somehow it reminds me it has some similarity between these
i honestly dont understand why people find HTC One as brilliant design, it just look pretty normal, maybe its because of full alu
actually i prefer square design over curve's one. One has some curve in its shape.
The feel actually it could be as better as worse, square design does not give good hand grip
that is the other side of the coin
Rooting worries if you were willing to root, you should accep the fact of avoiding guarantee, why not? lemme explain, rooting it will be at your own risk, Sony wouldnt prevent you from further issues with root like bricking, bugs... if you brick ur phone for good, dont go crying to Sony, that why they make such decision about DRM
anyway be patient, some developers will fix it and find safe root instruction in order to save DRM (i think it s possible to save it even if phone was rooted)
Battery life on average, all latest smartphones on the market have pretty same battery life according their use of customers
an user who spend day and night on social network, notification, playing game, LTE network etc will drain battery dratiscally
battery life its a matter of use, define your needs in order to find good setting for
Speaker position yes it could be a trouble if you dont use earphones for listening music as exemple
it does not bother me at all since i m using SBH20, NFC and wireless speaker
Internet Lag i didnt get any lag on internet, everything is fine
final advice for you if you focus on aesthetic and design, definitely XZ is for you, otherwhise HTC has its own interface Sense and i know many users like it
Trust me OP, switching to the HTC one would make you happier, the display alone is out of this world. The Xperia Z is a decent phone but I feel like it competes with last year`s phones like the Butterfly/DNA, LG optimus G and Galaxy S3. It doesn't not compare to the galaxy s 4, HTC one or LG optimus G pro in my opinion.
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barondebxl said:
The Xperia Z is a decent phone but I feel like it competes with last year`s phones like the Butterfly/DNA, LG optimus G and Galaxy S3. It doesn't not compare to the galaxy s 4, HTC one or LG optimus G pro in my opinion.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I don't think so that the battery life is crap. Yes it can be improved a bit like the HTC one gets 6-7 hours of on screen time with a marginally smaller battery than the Z..here's my result
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Ame123 said:
I don't think so that the battery life is crap. Yes it can be improved a bit like the HTC one gets 6-7 hours of on screen time with a marginally smaller battery than the Z..here's my result
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sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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I am not trolling...i regularly get 4.5 to 5 hours of screen on time..if u dnt want to believe u can stop commenting on my posts..i have not posted this for guys like u
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samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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3 hours I got 4 hours and 55 min with average use
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samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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I've got over 5 hours many times, even on Cyanogenmod which has worse battery life than stock.
samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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Sigh, don't be a dink. Give it a rest.
OP, I've used both phones. Battery life is definitely better on the HTC, but it's nothing special. I would get an extra 15-20 minutes out of the HTC. As much as I love the design and build materials of the HTC One, I had some pretty severe gaps all over the phone. A buddy of mine has one as well and his isn't much better. The camera on the HTC is great in low light, but leaves a bit to be desired in good lighting conditions, which is where I take the majority of my photos.
I love the feel of the Xperia Z. As nice as the HTC One feels, I think the XZ is the better built phone. I worry about the glass back on the XZ but I think it's sturdy enough to withstand the rigors of day to day life. There isn't much the Z does a lot better than the One (except water resistance and arguably camera), but for some reason I like it a lot more than the HTC.
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If you can ignore the bad camera and build quality of HTC One why not?
And I can get 6 hours of screentime at %40 brightness.
Aresmar said:
If you can ignore the bad camera and build quality of HTC One why not?
And I can get 6 hours of screentime at %40 brightness.
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Build quality and the camera are the most hyped features of the one if one ignores them then whats the use of buying it?
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Build quality and the camera are the most hyped features of the one if one ignores them then whats the use of buying it?
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Sorry but camera fails at photos taken at broad daylight and panoramas vistas etc. 4mp doesnt cut it I have seen it with my own eyes. It may be good at low light but fails at outside photos.
And HTC One has very bad manufacturing. Just read how much problems the buyers have.
BTW I was a HTC phone user before. Not biased or anything. I was considering buying HTC One too. Now I am glad I didnt.
since I bought my Xperia z i have been considering this. I had a chance the other day to go for the HTC but I thought leave it.
I have had a play in store with the one.nothing initially impressed me about it, the screen was great but the Xperia screen is good too and bigger. I don't really like sense either. I couldn't gauge the sound quality due to the noisy environment but I guess that and the camera are the killer points. that's the only two things that would make me switch.
say what you want about the megapixels but I've saw some shots from the HTC one and they look great. the main thing is the quick shutter speed and brilliant low light performance.the Xperia z shutter speed is average at best and low light performance abysmal on the latest Rom.
the speakers on the Xperia z could be better and I always like good sounds quality on my devices.
but then you have to look at it from the other side too. build quality on the z is great, there's been many complaints about the HTC one build quality. when you have a phone for 2 years the build quality needs to be top notch. I guess most devices should be okay but when you hear the stories about gaps you do get slightly put off.
also the Xperia z is waterproof which could save the phones life some day and the stamina mode does help battery life quite a bit plus the rgb notification led is a lot better on the Sony.
as somEone said previously battery life is currently around the same for the top phones just look at the users posts about the phone you'll find out. design is personal preference.
you get used to each phone in the end tbh, they all have things that stand out for them. personally I can live with the sound quality but they need to improve shutter speed and low light performance I'm still on.434 and I might keep it that way.
Well, if I agree that HTC is a better phone than Z in term of hardware but not by much. I also had a dilemma when choosing Z or One but ended up choosing Z as I think it has better design and much cheaper in my country
Screen: Screen is definitely better on One but Z's screen with BE2 when viewing movie is better in my opinion. I really don't care about viewing angle and it isn't as bad on Z as I thought before (maybe my unit got good viewing angle).
Speaker: Yeah, nowhere near boomsound on HTC but it is loud enough. I can use it to view Youtube with my friend with audible audio.
Speed: Sense 5 is fast as hell, I would say that it is the fastest phone on the market right now, it is even faster than Galaxy S4. But most regular users don't really need it, XZ is plenty fast enough
Feel: I don't like the feel of One, although it is thicker than Z on white paper, the edge thickness is only half of Z's which make holding feel weird. Moreover, the buttons on One is the worst I have ever used. The power button is hard to press as it is so flat and place on top of such a big phone like One, volume rockers are also flat as well.
Battery life: I guess it is slightly better than Z. Maybe you will got 1 hour more of screen time.
my workmate has just got the HTC one and is having major problems with it, honestly really glad i've got the xz.
Just wanted a poll on the number of users experiencing the above issue.
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I ordered mine from Handtec, and with any luck, it will be here next week. I live in New York, so returning the phone if it has severe overheating issues might not be as easy. So what I would like to know is if Sony will be able to fix this via software update or should I cancel my order and wait for the Oppo Find 7? The problem with the Oppo is that it hasn't really been tested, so getting that phone could open up a whole new can of worms. I am stumped as to what to do. I have never used a Sony phone before, so I don't know what to expect. I hated that physical home button on the Samsung line, so decided against getting the S5. The HTC M8 doesn't have enough in the camera for me to get that. I love Sony products, so I don't know what's going on with this overheating situation. There has to be some software fix, the only question is will they care to implement it, or will they write-off the Z2, and provide a solution in the Z3???
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Sorry but I can't comment whether you should cancel or not as we're just looking at how wide-spread the overheating issue is in this poll thread, and what might be causing it, I'm sure Sony's doing the same.
What I can tell you is that the Z2 camera itself is very capable both for photos and videos, my short review will be out early next week. I'm yet to test the Find 7 or 1+1, so can't comment on their camera performance, but both use a 1/3.06" 13MP Sony IMX214 sensor that is capable too with 4k support, but the Z2's sensor is significantly larger.
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Since I have photography threads for more than half a dozen different manufacturers (and actually use a Nexus 4 if that matters, fail to see why, but there you go), you can trust my word when I say in my limited time I really had and not making up the same overheating issues others did, incl. feis who indicated he too has overheating for 4k, others for photography. Thing is: this is not an isolated issue but pretty wide-spread, and XDA Developers is the exact place to deal with it and find a solution. What's not XDA-level discussion is some dude dropping by and adding the very useful "you are all technically clueless smartasses who don't understand English". This will end either by choice or by moderators.
Now I've already said overheating is probably not a manufacturing issues but a camera driver thing, my bet would be the live view taking up so much resources, that the ISP and SoC constantly working with very high screen brightness and the Sun giving extra heat, the Z2 just overheats. Or maybe the force-stop policy is too aggressive and the Z2 could take a little more hotness. The point is: we are here to address this issues not ignore it. The easiest way to ignore it is by not posting here.
Thank you.
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Finally there is someone who wants to discuss the issue proper. I initially thought that it was a software issue related to the overheat control of the system. I have played graphic and processor intensive games on my z2 and it got really hot, to the point that it was hot to touch, not just warm. I did not realise until I ended the game (lasted about 10 minutes) and wanted to make a phone call. The area around the NFC logo at the back of the device was really baking hot. From what I know it is the area where all the hardwares other than battery is housed. I checked the battery temperature and it showed up to be at 49.3 degrees celsius. The temperature recorded when the camera auto shutdown was around the range of 44-45 degrees celsius. That led me to think that a policy was made to force stop the camera when the device temperature rise to undesirable levels.
I thought the issue could easily be dealt with a software update to increase the tolerance level. However, there is no word from Sony on it even after many users have reflected on this issue. This is when I begin to feel that it is either a hardware issue that is really hard to deal with or the policy is simply something that have to be put in place inorder not to damage other hardware components over prolong periods of high heat. From what I know from tech sites, z2 uses a liquid heat pipe cooling, something only a NEC smartphone has implemented before. Could it be a case of poor implementation of the technology?
And for the last time, please do note that (at least from my point of view), the main concern is the normal camera function is force closed when the device heats up, yes it does the same on 4k recording for me too. But like many stated, 4k does take a lot out of the hardwares, furthermore 4k displays are still considered as rather rare now. I would think most users have no qualms about limited 4k recording if there is no issue with the normal camera shooting, so please stop trying to ask people who voice their concerns here as unreasonable and exaggerating.
You can prevent that problem by go to setting > app > all and disable all social and unuse app.
The Z2 is one of few smartphones with liquid pipe cooling. This must be very untested, and speculation went to this beeing the cause of delays.
It does not seem far fetched though. Overheating not only when 4K recording, but just using the camera. Certain spots on the phone being particullary hot etc. Thoughts?
EDIT: Apologies to the OP, saw that you had raised exactly the same question.
magwin said:
The Z2 is one of few smartphones with liquid pipe cooling. This must be very untested, and speculation went to this beeing the cause of delays.
It does not seem far fetched though. Overheating not only when 4K recording, but just using the camera. Certain spots on the phone being particullary hot etc. Thoughts?
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Are you sure the Z2 uses heat pipes? Do you have a source link for me?
RRSoftware said:
Are you sure the Z2 uses heat pipes? Do you have a source link for me?
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I cannot post links, but Digitimes first reported this, and almost all tech sites reported it. Toms hardware I think made a non copy pasta article.
I don't know, I've seen tons of heatpipe coolers in the past 20 years and when I look at the disassembled Z2 I don't see a heatpipe:
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On the other hand, the CPU is very close to the camera, and that's where most of the heat is (top section). I doubt that the camera can generate much, it's just optics and a light sensor. The main culprit for heat is qualcomm snapdragon 801. And I don't think glass is a very good heat conductor.
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I don't know, I've seen tons of heatpipe coolers in the past 20 years and when I look at the disassembled Z2 I don't see a heatpipe
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tridious said:
Finally there is someone who wants to discuss the issue proper. I initially thought that it was a software issue related to the overheat control of the system. I have played graphic and processor intensive games on my z2 and it got really hot, to the point that it was hot to touch, not just warm. I did not realise until I ended the game (lasted about 10 minutes) and wanted to make a phone call. The area around the NFC logo at the back of the device was really baking hot. From what I know it is the area where all the hardwares other than battery is housed. I checked the battery temperature and it showed up to be at 49.3 degrees celsius. The temperature recorded when the camera auto shutdown was around the range of 44-45 degrees celsius. That led me to think that a policy was made to force stop the camera when the device temperature rise to undesirable levels.
I thought the issue could easily be dealt with a software update to increase the tolerance level. However, there is no word from Sony on it even after many users have reflected on this issue. This is when I begin to feel that it is either a hardware issue that is really hard to deal with or the policy is simply something that have to be put in place inorder not to damage other hardware components over prolong periods of high heat. From what I know from tech sites, z2 uses a liquid heat pipe cooling, something only a NEC smartphone has implemented before. Could it be a case of poor implementation of the technology?
And for the last time, please do note that (at least from my point of view), the main concern is the normal camera function is force closed when the device heats up, yes it does the same on 4k recording for me too. But like many stated, 4k does take a lot out of the hardwares, furthermore 4k displays are still considered as rather rare now. I would think most users have no qualms about limited 4k recording if there is no issue with the normal camera shooting, so please stop trying to ask people who voice their concerns here as unreasonable and exaggerating.
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See, your comments scare me. If it's a hardware issue, then Sony will never fix it. Apple is the only company I know of that ever recalled a smartphone because of a defect consumers pointed out. I am afraid Sony, like many other companies, will simply address this issue in the Z3. Once the Z3 is launched, you will hear reviewers mention how much the heating issues while taking regular photos have been addressed since the Z2....etc Seriously wondering if I should cancel my order.
all this talking is swaying my decision to get the z2. maybe i'll just go for the s5...(even though i'm really sick of its design...)
=(
Maybe its the internal SD card that is the issue or storage management.
I find the RW rate slow and assuming that 4K videos will need more write, then it may heat up. (My phone heat up just for deleting sms! and phone basically hangs)
I not yet try taking many pics or video yet but if you have a good SD card with good i/o then you can try and change camera storage to the external SD card and try.
CPU management by the software for certain task could also be the issue.
Browsing the web so far has no issue on heating up - it does not require any writing to the storage.
SexyIceCream said:
all this talking is swaying my decision to get the z2. maybe i'll just go for the s5...(even though i'm really sick of its design...)
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I was really considering the S5 as well. I just can't stand that physical home button. I am coming from a Samsung GS2; though, I went back to my Nexus 1 because the SG2 went for a swim. The SIM tray no longer reads my SIM cards. Now I want this phone and I am seeing all these issues about overheating. My SG2 and Nexus 1 never overheats when playing games or taking pics. I live in New York City so I take the subway to work. I usually play games to pass the time. I can't have a phone that will overheat and damage because it is not able to handle my ride to or from work. What scares me is that Sony has not acknowledged whether the issue is software related and fixable, or if it's hardware related. I don't want to have to settle for the M8 and its horrible camera. The only phone I see in the pipeline is the Oppo Find 7 and it's awkwardly placed power button. Though, I am sure that will have its own share of issues...
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See, your comments scare me. If it's a hardware issue, then Sony will never fix it. Apple is the only company I know of that ever recalled a smartphone because of a defect consumers pointed out. I am afraid Sony, like many other companies, will simply address this issue in the Z3. Once the Z3 is launched, you will hear reviewers mention how much the heating issues while taking regular photos have been addressed since the Z2....etc Seriously wondering if I should cancel my order.
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Well, I cant decide how you interpret my comments, I can only assure you that all I have shared is my experience with the phone over the last month. Whatever I have stated are my own speculation from little points and info I got. My honest point of view is that if you are someone who does not really use your smartphone's camera, or just for a snap or 2 at one go, this issue most probably have little effect on your daily usage of the device. But if you are like me, who uses the camera function regularly, then it does becomes annoying when the device you bought have this issue. My work requires me to take pictures of decent quality, hence a smartphone's camera is enough. From the poll results so far, it seems like there are infact quite a number of people with no such issues, so there is hope. I am still deciding whether to give my local Sony's support a last chance, haha.
simplytimo said:
Maybe its the internal SD card that is the issue or storage management.
I find the RW rate slow and assuming that 4K videos will need more write, then it may heat up. (My phone heat up just for deleting sms! and phone basically hangs)
I not yet try taking many pics or video yet but if you have a good SD card with good i/o then you can try and change camera storage to the external SD card and try.
CPU management by the software for certain task could also be the issue.
Browsing the web so far has no issue on heating up - it does not require any writing to the storage.
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I tryed using the sd card. But after 5min it closed. I have a 45mb/s SD Card.
The video is 7mb/s.
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Again, I do not see a heatpipe in the disassembly, but then again it may be much much smaller, in which case someone should still be able to point out which of the parts is the heatpipe.
Rumors aside, the Z2 only gets hot at the upper end where the camera and the processor are located. Any heat dissipating solution (heatpipe, graphite, whatever) should distribute this, but on the Z2 the bottom three quarters of the phone remain cool, and only the top heats up.
I don't see what a heatpipe could even bring without a heat sink. With HTC I could understand, the whole case is one giant heatsink, but Z2 is surrounded by glass.
Having said that, mine has never crashed, so the heat is obviously not an issue (yet). I don't shoot 4k video and I don't have a 4k screen. By the time I buy one I'm sure Z3 or Z4 will be out.
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all this talking is swaying my decision to get the z2. maybe i'll just go for the s5...(even though i'm really sick of its design...)
=(
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I am confident that this will not be an issue. Should it be, I will just lean on the laws and get a refund.
However, my wifes is exquisite and a real wow-piece (hey! I'm talking about her purple Z2!) and has no problem at all with overheating. I am expecting my white on Monday, and the stresstesting I will let it endure will be gruesome. I'll post back my findings.
I'm sure the S5 is really good, but I am having troubles with the SAMOLEDs presentation of colors. And the plastic. And the Touchwiz UI. But that's just my personal preference.
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I am confident that this will not be an issue. Should it be, I will just lean on the laws and get a refund.
However, my wifes is exquisite and a real wow-piece (hey! I'm talking about her purple Z2!) and has no problem at all with overheating. I am expecting my white on Monday, and the stresstesting I will let it endure will be gruesome. I'll post back my findings.
I'm sure the S5 is really good, but I am having troubles with the SAMOLEDs presentation of colors. And the plastic. And the Touchwiz UI. But that's just my personal preference.
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if only every country had the same laws(with regards to this) oh well
tridious said:
Well, I cant decide how you interpret my comments, I can only assure you that all I have shared is my experience with the phone over the last month. Whatever I have stated are my own speculation from little points and info I got. My honest point of view is that if you are someone who does not really use your smartphone's camera, or just for a snap or 2 at one go, this issue most probably have little effect on your daily usage of the device. But if you are like me, who uses the camera function regularly, then it does becomes annoying when the device you bought have this issue. My work requires me to take pictures of decent quality, hence a smartphone's camera is enough. From the poll results so far, it seems like there are infact quite a number of people with no such issues, so there is hope. I am still deciding whether to give my local Sony's support a last chance, haha.
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Of course the question is if ppl. without issues ever put the camera under stress during a warm Sunny day, cause that's pretty much what I did right after picking the phone up, move over some flowers under sunlight, switch between modes and take numerous shots, and after about 5 minutes, 'camera overheated'. The person I picked it up from says he didn't experience this, probably due to lighter use, and everything was 100% fine for me too in shadows or after sunset, that includes any type of short video recording.
And that tells me that other than the Sun's extra heat and the app's high resources, screen brightness may play the key part here. There's a thing called screen throttling, a display getting dimmer via Android governor when the phone gets hot (happens to the Xperia T), so if the new Z2 screen at 100% makes the phone hotter than the camera app heat policy, it will logically force close. However the Z2 never was that hot when force close happened, Real Racing 3 on my Nexus 4 while charging gets much hotter, which tells me that the Z2 camera heat policy is too conservative.
Of course if the Z2's watertight body gets warm easily under stress, it is going to be a tightrope for Sony the set the policy right between performance and hardware protection, as 4k and heavy 20MP shooting with gorgeous 1080p live view will always require ISP and SoC to run high, and maximum screen brightness might kick temperatures too high... It's all speculation, yet if I can shoot 50 images in shadows with lower screen brightness without problems, then my theory seems quite well supported.
What do you guys think?
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Again, I do not see a heatpipe in the disassembly, but then again it may be much much smaller, in which case someone should still be able to point out which of the parts is the heatpipe.
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This might be the reason?
Compared to PC and laptop heat-pipes, which range from 0.003 inches (0.8mm) to 0.08 inches (2mm) in diameter, smartphone pipes measure only 0.02 inches (0.6mm).
About the material : They are said to have better heat-dissipation effects than graphite carbon fiber sheets.
This is not a trolling topic. This came from a casual Z3 user.
I pre-ordered the Z3 on Sony store and got it. The phone was great, screen was pleasant to look at, no lags ever happened, but there were too many cons that took over the pros imo:
- The battery was not that great, I've installed GSAM App since day one, and now the average screen-on time is only 5 hours, maximum is 6h30m. I've tried resetting the phone via Pc Companion... no luck. I mainly use the phone for Facebook, Web browser, taking pictures, and music, no heavy games.
- I've dropped it several times due its f*cking slippery glass panels. So far there's no crack but the aluminum sides are slightly damaged.
- It's so uncomfortable to hold. Sony made premium phones for sure, but it's not practical... the Z3 is just a beautiful metal slab but not really a phone. In my opinion, the curved back is much much more comfortable to hold in hands.
- Wifi range is horrible. I've tried putting the Z3 next to the LG G3 and Moto G, the Z3 lost signal frequently, the other 2 were fine.
- Glass back panel = fingerprint magnet.
- Finally, the most disappointed feature - Camera. I don;t know what the heck Sony did to their Z3, but the camera is just average to me. Plus it does not focus well while recording videos, even with normal macro shots; Superior Auto sucks; too tiny flash; a lof of Noise; a lot of disappointments.
- Not to mention that it fails so badly on cosmetic look. Huge gaps; unsymmetrical panels; bulging nylon corners. They are not a big deal for me, but compared to other phones in terms of cosmetic build, Sony has to work harder.
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So if you want to change, what is the point of this thread?
My thoughts exactly
If you want even less screen time G3 is your phone. Congrats. I hope u will see thats a mistake I own both phones so..
Maybe you got a bad unit, mine has excellent signal I came from a G2 which I still love.
I remeber some HTC One Xs and Nexus 4s had an issue where the v shape pins on the casing weren't properly touching the pin on the motherboard causing very low WiFi signal. I had to use paper in between on my One X lol.
Anyway exchange it., if you are willing otherwise enjoy your new G3. But I and many here can attest that the Z3 gets excellent reception.
As @hzmenxd said, if you want much less screen on time, then go ahead for the G3. I used it for 3 months and nearly threw it out the window, battery life was horrible and lots of lag even after freezing and deleting apps and ROM improvements. Maximum screen on time I got was 4 hours and that with a 15 hour full charge, minimum brightness, conservative governor and other improvements. Just get a case for the Z3 and it'll fine.
OMG. If you are changing to G3 just for the casing form you have no idea what you are doing.I played with the G3 (the 2GB of ram version) and in terms of fluidity my old N4 beats him. Don't know what the hell LG did with the software but it sucks big time (lag, stutter, memory frees up by restarting the launcher and so on). Don't know about the 3GB version if it has the same problems. I almost got the G3 but I turned to the Z2 (Z3 to expensive in my country) and for 370 euro brand new with 2 year warranty it was a barging.
In conclusion it is your choice, but think twice.
rjhellel said:
As @hzmenxd said, if you want much less screen on time, then go ahead for the G3. I used it for 3 months and nearly threw it out the window, battery life was horrible and lots of lag even after freezing and deleting apps and ROM improvements. Maximum screen on time I got was 4 hours and that with a 15 hour full charge, minimum brightness, conservative governor and other improvements. Just get a case for the Z3 and it'll fine.
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No no, this makes no sense. Obviously, going to a phone with a much shorter rated SOT is the answer. Getting a $10 case to solve at least 3 of the listed problems is crazy.
You could have caught 4 of these 7 gripes in the store. If you invest a pile of money in a personal gadget, do you research. You don't have to understand benchmarks and all the techno babble to go and test the keyboard and the camera and see how it feels in the hand. Shiny dark surfaces collect fingerprints. That is not Sony's fault. I got the white one for this reason.
In regards to the build quality, you could just have a bad unit. Perhaps you should have swapped it right away. If you drop it because of the slippery back, put a case or a sticker on it.
No offence, but I think this is kinda your own fault.
5-6HR SOT on a stock ROM is amazing. You can't even get that on the OPO.
I had the G3 and the average is around 4HR SOT, and that's with both debloated stock and super tweaked AOSP.
se1000 said:
No no, this makes no sense. Obviously, going to a phone with a much shorter rated SOT is the answer. Getting a $10 case to solve at least 3 of the listed problems is crazy.
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My bad, I should have made myself more clear:- my point about the case was simply for the "slippery" feel of the glass and aluminium body. In terms of camera, simple solution is use Google's Camera and/or use Perfectly Clear to fix any noise in the pictures. The WiFi signal is fine on mine and never had any issues but can be boosted with root or an app called WiFi Optimizer I think. As @abhinav.tella said, it might just be a bad unit.
atleast hold on to it incase u hate the g3 for whatever reason?
I jumped from a g2 to the z3 since it was the latest in the market... Took a long while for root but it finally got there.. I'm really hating the factory rom and still waiting on cm/aosp to be available as a bug free alternative..
I dunno how Sony likes having all those variants of the z3.. And the only one we have here is the dual sim version which really lacks behind in development since it's not the international version used everywhere...
Anyways from my experience with lg I'm most probably getting a g4 as soon as it's available (which should be sometime around Q3)
For the meantime I'll keep quiet and use the z3 all thanks to its 3100 mAh of power
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My bad, I should have made myself more clear:- my point about the case was simply for the "slippery" feel of the glass and aluminium body. In terms of camera, simple solution is use Google's Camera and/or use Perfectly Clear to fix any noise in the pictures. The WiFi signal is fine on mine and never had any issues but can be boosted with root or an app called WiFi Optimizer I think. As @abhinav.tella said, it might just be a bad unit.
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I agree with you, I was being very sarcastic in my previous post
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I agree with you, I was being very sarcastic in my previous post
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Oh right
Thanks guys for your honest opinions. I admit most of them were my faults. I think I'm gonna keep the Z3 to test it for some time before making a decision. But the SOT was really a rip off for such a hype on the Z3. I know the G3 has much less SOT for sure, that's a fact, but 5 hours on Z3 was just ridiculous. Everybody got at least 6 hours, but mine barely (or never) reached that level.
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Thanks guys for your honest opinions. I admit most of them were my faults. I think I'm gonna keep the Z3 to test it for some time before making a decision. But the SOT was really a rip off for such a hype on the Z3. I know the G3 has much less SOT for sure, that's a fact, but 5 hours on Z3 was just ridiculous. Everybody got at least 6 hours, but mine barely (or never) reached that level.
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So, in your screenshot the Z3 was at 22hrs and it still had plenty of juice left? Are you not getting through a day? What exactly are you looking for with 8hrs of SOT if at the end of the day you have battery left over and will plug the phone in?
There are a lot of factors that play into battery life, two big ones are power hungry apps, and signal strength.
I was always using Xperias, I even learned how to theme and dev on it...
But then I decided I had enough of Sony and solde my few months old Z2 to buy Note 4...
Believe me mate...grass isn't greener at neighbour yard...it's a same grass with a same bugs
You'll have exactly the same issues, questions and doubts with any brand.
I do have to say that while the phone works pretty well, it is uncomfortable to hold and the glass on the back pisses me off more and more every day. I still like the phone though.
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One thing that I do agree with OP is that if you are not used to the flat back glass construction, then you are just not used to it. I have been using a lot of Sony phones, so the flat back doesn't really piss me off. Instead of "palming" the back, I "grip" it with my index finger and my ring finger, which makes it very normal to hold.
Users who are more used to the curved back of the g3, motox and motog will feel that the flat back is not as ergonomic, and they are not wrong. The G3 feels more comfortable in the hand than the Z3, but it's not like the Z3 is a massive spike ball that you can't hold it for even 5 minutes.
Regarding the battery life, yeah, if you are not satisfied with the Z3 battery, then you are not going to be satisfied with the G3 battery. This is not an opinion, it's a FACT. G3 has a higher pixel count for its screen with a smaller battery. using LTE on it and it will die within 8-10 hours of heavy usage.
I can offer you some advice for your Z3 if you want to improve the battery life:
1. If you are not in a LTE plan, then use 3G only, that will help the battery by a ton.
2. Some small games (Free games) are quite suspicious, as they use location data all the time when possible. I was surprised when a prolific game such as Ridiculous Fishing was using the location service on my z3 and used up a lot of battery during idle periods. Uninstalling it helped to increase the battery by a few hours.
3. Google Now - this son of a ***** is a big battery killer. Turns it off if you don't use it.
4. Location services - this son of a ***** too.
The lag on the LG G3 is mind blowing! Besides.. All the apps look like a cheap and crappy version of Sony app, especially the G3 album app haha , and that back power off/on button? God. Lol.. But yes, is a sexy phone.. Good luck