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Just received my Xperia Z - Thinking of swapping it for the HTC One

Heya, I tried to put as much information in the title and although I could easily write a wall of text here I'll try and keep it short and sweet
I was wondering if this type of topic belonged in the Q&A section.. But I believe it is more of a general discussion topic rather than something which can be solved
Please note that I am not asking which is the better phone or trying to start another flame war.. I'm just going to list my thoughts and hope that some of you can share yours!
Baseline facts:
Sony Xperia Z - Unlimited data £26pm (LTE later this year)
HTC One - Unlimited data £28pm (LTE later this year)
So, I received my Xperia Z today and to be completely honest I am not blown away by it at all (Which is actually a first for me as every phone I have ever owned has astounded me in some fashion).
I decided on it due to the overall price and the screen size (bigger is better) thinking that both were evenly matched
Okay, strait to the point.. Here is what's bothering me:
The screen size - Comparing it to my Nexus 4 (With the onscreen buttons hidden) a 4.7" screen is almost identical to a 5" screen with on screen buttons.. So one of the advantages over the HTC One is null
As the HTC one has dedicated buttons
The look - Maybe it's because I had my heart set on the HTC one or maybe its because I fell in love with the curves of the Nexus 4 but.. This just looks like a slab (Covered in fingerprints)
The feel - The phone actually kinda feels sharp / awkward when I hold and use it in one hand
Rooting worries - I've always ended up rooting and flashed every every android phone I've owned.. But I've read some horror stories about losing features (DRM and Bravia Engine). I really don't want to lose these as they are one of the few "WOW" factors this phone has
This is one worry that I'm sure could easily be put to rest by someone here
Battery life - Granted, I have been playing with it for most of the afternoon but it's lost a hell of a lot of battery in a rather short space of time. I'm not usually one to moan about battery life as I routinely charge every night but I need my phone to last all day with mid-heavy use
Notification Lag - Strangely enough while using Google+ auto-backup / instant upload feature my nexus 4 is getting notifications much faster (Minutes) than my Xperia despite the fact that the Xperia is the one uploading (Thus not in deep-sleep). Is this something anyone else is experiencing?
Speaker position - In a word.. Annoying. I've covered it more times than I can count and I've only used it a few times
Internet Lag - It seems to take about 5 seconds to switch from "H" to "H+" and then to start sending / receiving data leaving me staring at a blank page for a while.. Could be an issue with my network but I'm just throwing this out there.
Finally just general factors such as less power (Poorer specs) to the HTC One.. Almost every review site I have seen claims the HTC One is just "Better", even the camera on the HTC One is "Better" according to most of them so the Xperia really falls short on every mark.
Now the reason I posted this here is because I want to hear the opinions of those who actually own an Xperia Z and to get your opinions.. I already know what answer I'd get if I posted this over in the HTC One forums
On a side note I got one of these packaged with my Xperia Z:
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It's still sitting in the box along with my contract simcard, headphones, charger and screen protectors as I'm not sure if I'm going to keep them. Its a nice touch though and defiantly a plus point :victory:
I was planning on buying a bluetooth headset anyway, this one even has NFC and a much "higher-end" product than I would consider
Thanks to everyone who read this topic, I'm really not asking which one is "better" or trying to start any form of a flame war. I just want to know your opinions.. Would you switch? Why? Why not?
And please, please, please list out some positive features of the Xperia Z as I'm seriously disillusioned here
I'm talking about features, gimmicks, accessories, anything to make it standout!

Azurren said:
Okay, strait to the point.. Here is what's bothering me:
The screen size - Comparing it to my Nexus 4 (With the onscreen buttons hidden) a 4.7" screen is almost identical to a 5" screen with on screen buttons.. So one of the advantages over the HTC One is null
As the HTC one has dedicated buttons
The look - Maybe it's because I had my heart set on the HTC one or maybe its because I fell in love with the curves of the Nexus 4 but.. This just looks like a slab (Covered in fingerprints)
The feel - The phone actually kinda feels sharp / awkward when I hold and use it in one hand
Rooting worries - I've always ended up rooting and flashed every every android phone I've owned.. But I've read some horror stories about losing features (DRM and Bravia Engine). I really don't want to lose these as they are one of the few "WOW" factors this phone has
This is one worry that I'm sure could easily be put to rest by someone here
Battery life - Granted, I have been playing with it for most of the afternoon but it's lost a hell of a lot of battery in a rather short space of time. I'm not usually one to moan about battery life as I routinely charge every night but I need my phone to last all day with mid-heavy use
Notification Lag - Strangely enough while using Google+ auto-backup / instant upload feature my nexus 4 is getting notifications much faster (Minutes) than my Xperia despite the fact that the Xperia is the one uploading (Thus not in deep-sleep). Is this something anyone else is experiencing?
Speaker position - In a word.. Annoying. I've covered it more times than I can count and I've only used it a few times
Internet Lag - It seems to take about 5 seconds to switch from "H" to "H+" and then to start sending / receiving data leaving me staring at a blank page for a while.. Could be an issue with my network but I'm just throwing this out there.
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- Screen size: Can't really say anything about it since I came from the Note, and compared to that, the XZ is "a lot" smaller (Depends how much a lot is for some people)
- The looks: Just a matter of ones opinion. For me the XZ is the best phone I've seen thus far.
- The feel: Yap it could have been better
- Rooting worries: Totally bs. You will lose the things you mentioned when you unlock your Bootloader, but you don't need to that for root. And by saving your TA partition before you unlock your BL for the first time you can always re-lock it to get BE2 etc back.
- Battery life: What can we expect from a 2300 mAh battery, for that "small" capacity it's actually quite good. (Removable would've made it even better) Since the new FW the battery life has gotten worse for most people I think.
- Notification Lag: ?? No clue
- Speaker position: I Guess I'm one of the few that it doesn't bother, I use my speaker like.... once per month? Why do people complain so much about it. Listening music through such things is already bs if you're a real music lover, the only thing I use it for is like my ringtone when I receive a call. But most of the times I'm not holding my phone in my hand when I'm receiving a call so I have no problem there.
- Internet Lag: Once again no clue there.
It's a good topic you made, purely based on your own opinion, but because of that reason I also wonder why you made it in the first place.
It doesn't really add anything since (like I said before) it's purely based on an opinion.
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P.S. I also wonder why they didn't put like a dedicated button for the camera on the XZ.
You can say because of the water resistance, but the phone already has 3 buttons on the side (vol +/-, power) so I wonder if a fourth one would've mattered that much.

I also wanted to buy a HTC One instead of my XZ. The main reason why I went to the XZ is because the XZ looks in my opinion ofcource more like a buisness phone. The reason why HTC One dropped away from my list is also because it doesn't have an equalizer for my taste. As for me, I don't have a facebook nor any other social media account, so the UI of the HTC wouldn't be any handy for me. Can't say anything about the batterylife of the One because I never actually used it longer than a few mins, but the XZ's batt life is really crap compared to my Arc's. But I've managed to get it all along with automatic app killer and closed alot of apps and dimmed the screen a bit. The specs are good enough to run everything smooth, we're not going to play crysis on it. Browsing is fantastic on this phone, never lagged on the websites I browse. The screen is simply amazing especially with the new firmware. The smallapps is really something I really got used to it, can't do without them anymore. Videos and pictures are for some not good enough, but for me it's brilliant. Just need to play with the settings of the camera and got the most amazing pictures ever. Walkman and other Sony dedicated apps are also good.
Don't get me wrong, I also like the HTC One, I just don't find the htc handy enough. The Htc sense it just nothing for me, just eats alot of memory. The speakers ofc beats the XZ's speaker, but that's something nothing to worry about. Just use the headset, nobody wants to listen to your music.
As for built quality, XZ feels very solid in the hand. Drop the htc and u get the screen in pieces because the glass is edge to edge. And the Htc doesnt feel really premium quality in my hand. It has something of a toyish feeling in the hand.
Just an advice, go test the HTC One out in a local store like I did. Compare them to eachother, and you'll see what I mean. However, it's still your opinion and taste to buy the better one you think of. They are both very good phones, and blast the hell out of samsungs plastic toys.
Edit: Just browsed at thr HTC One topic and I'm actually glad I've bought the Xperis Z. Build quality sucks they say. Screen cracked easy in pocket and camera screen cracked etc. The battery ain't wow either.
Sent from my Xperia Z

Cool, just do it we don't have to know

Dsteppa said:
- Screen size: Can't really say anything about it since I came from the Note, and compared to that, the XZ is "a lot" smaller (Depends how much a lot is for some people)
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Thanks for your comments!
Yeah I don't use the speaker for playing music but if I hear a new song or find something funny / amazing on youtube I instantly want to share that with friends and family.. What's easier than just whipping out your phone?
Thanks for clearing up the root worries, I read a few horror stories and thought it may not be worth the hassle.
This is kind of a selfish topic as I only created it because I have less than 7 days to send it back if it isn't right for me. But hopefully with people sharing their thoughts / opinions like yourself this could help other people facing the same problems!
JasonX199 said:
I also wanted to buy a HTC One instead of my XZ. The main reason why I went to the XZ is because the XZ looks in my opinion ofcource more like a buisness phone. The reason why HTC One dropped away from my list is also because it doesn't have an equalizer for my taste. As for me, I don't have a facebook nor any other social media account, so the UI of the HTC wouldn't be any handy for me.
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Thanks, I'll definitely try-out the HTC One instore. Who knows, it could feel worse to grip than the Xperia Z! I have been tweaking the camera and it's taking really nice shots even in poor light, I'll take it on some trips and see if the battery can keep up
I hadn't heard about the issues people have been having with the HTC One
danw_oz said:
Cool, just do it we don't have to know
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Well that's just it.. All the review sites have given me plenty of reasons to switch to the HTC One, I really hate making any decision with only half the story..
As I know I'll regret it if I ended up with the wrong device for me

The screen size
i came from iphone and previously even smaller phone, so first impressions were like ''OMG 5 inches way too big'', after using during some couple days, it fits to me naturally. the weight balance and thickness make it less big it really does
The look
i am not degrading HTC, XZ is simply more beautiful, i agree with others, its one of most design smartphone ever seen
i had a Sony Ericsson W880i before, somehow it reminds me it has some similarity between these
i honestly dont understand why people find HTC One as brilliant design, it just look pretty normal, maybe its because of full alu
actually i prefer square design over curve's one. One has some curve in its shape.
The feel actually it could be as better as worse, square design does not give good hand grip
that is the other side of the coin
Rooting worries if you were willing to root, you should accep the fact of avoiding guarantee, why not? lemme explain, rooting it will be at your own risk, Sony wouldnt prevent you from further issues with root like bricking, bugs... if you brick ur phone for good, dont go crying to Sony, that why they make such decision about DRM
anyway be patient, some developers will fix it and find safe root instruction in order to save DRM (i think it s possible to save it even if phone was rooted)
Battery life on average, all latest smartphones on the market have pretty same battery life according their use of customers
an user who spend day and night on social network, notification, playing game, LTE network etc will drain battery dratiscally
battery life its a matter of use, define your needs in order to find good setting for
Speaker position yes it could be a trouble if you dont use earphones for listening music as exemple
it does not bother me at all since i m using SBH20, NFC and wireless speaker
Internet Lag i didnt get any lag on internet, everything is fine
final advice for you if you focus on aesthetic and design, definitely XZ is for you, otherwhise HTC has its own interface Sense and i know many users like it

Trust me OP, switching to the HTC one would make you happier, the display alone is out of this world. The Xperia Z is a decent phone but I feel like it competes with last year`s phones like the Butterfly/DNA, LG optimus G and Galaxy S3. It doesn't not compare to the galaxy s 4, HTC one or LG optimus G pro in my opinion.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2

barondebxl said:
The Xperia Z is a decent phone but I feel like it competes with last year`s phones like the Butterfly/DNA, LG optimus G and Galaxy S3. It doesn't not compare to the galaxy s 4, HTC one or LG optimus G pro in my opinion.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I don't think so that the battery life is crap. Yes it can be improved a bit like the HTC one gets 6-7 hours of on screen time with a marginally smaller battery than the Z..here's my result
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Ame123 said:
I don't think so that the battery life is crap. Yes it can be improved a bit like the HTC one gets 6-7 hours of on screen time with a marginally smaller battery than the Z..here's my result
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sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.

samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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I am not trolling...i regularly get 4.5 to 5 hours of screen on time..if u dnt want to believe u can stop commenting on my posts..i have not posted this for guys like u
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samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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3 hours I got 4 hours and 55 min with average use
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samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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I've got over 5 hours many times, even on Cyanogenmod which has worse battery life than stock.

samxool said:
sigh.
stop trolling.
we know it is impossible to get 5 hours of on screen time.
the average is about 3 hours.
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Sigh, don't be a dink. Give it a rest.
OP, I've used both phones. Battery life is definitely better on the HTC, but it's nothing special. I would get an extra 15-20 minutes out of the HTC. As much as I love the design and build materials of the HTC One, I had some pretty severe gaps all over the phone. A buddy of mine has one as well and his isn't much better. The camera on the HTC is great in low light, but leaves a bit to be desired in good lighting conditions, which is where I take the majority of my photos.
I love the feel of the Xperia Z. As nice as the HTC One feels, I think the XZ is the better built phone. I worry about the glass back on the XZ but I think it's sturdy enough to withstand the rigors of day to day life. There isn't much the Z does a lot better than the One (except water resistance and arguably camera), but for some reason I like it a lot more than the HTC.
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If you can ignore the bad camera and build quality of HTC One why not?
And I can get 6 hours of screentime at %40 brightness.

Aresmar said:
If you can ignore the bad camera and build quality of HTC One why not?
And I can get 6 hours of screentime at %40 brightness.
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Build quality and the camera are the most hyped features of the one if one ignores them then whats the use of buying it?
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Ame123 said:
Build quality and the camera are the most hyped features of the one if one ignores them then whats the use of buying it?
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Sorry but camera fails at photos taken at broad daylight and panoramas vistas etc. 4mp doesnt cut it I have seen it with my own eyes. It may be good at low light but fails at outside photos.
And HTC One has very bad manufacturing. Just read how much problems the buyers have.
BTW I was a HTC phone user before. Not biased or anything. I was considering buying HTC One too. Now I am glad I didnt.

since I bought my Xperia z i have been considering this. I had a chance the other day to go for the HTC but I thought leave it.
I have had a play in store with the one.nothing initially impressed me about it, the screen was great but the Xperia screen is good too and bigger. I don't really like sense either. I couldn't gauge the sound quality due to the noisy environment but I guess that and the camera are the killer points. that's the only two things that would make me switch.
say what you want about the megapixels but I've saw some shots from the HTC one and they look great. the main thing is the quick shutter speed and brilliant low light performance.the Xperia z shutter speed is average at best and low light performance abysmal on the latest Rom.
the speakers on the Xperia z could be better and I always like good sounds quality on my devices.
but then you have to look at it from the other side too. build quality on the z is great, there's been many complaints about the HTC one build quality. when you have a phone for 2 years the build quality needs to be top notch. I guess most devices should be okay but when you hear the stories about gaps you do get slightly put off.
also the Xperia z is waterproof which could save the phones life some day and the stamina mode does help battery life quite a bit plus the rgb notification led is a lot better on the Sony.
as somEone said previously battery life is currently around the same for the top phones just look at the users posts about the phone you'll find out. design is personal preference.
you get used to each phone in the end tbh, they all have things that stand out for them. personally I can live with the sound quality but they need to improve shutter speed and low light performance I'm still on.434 and I might keep it that way.

Well, if I agree that HTC is a better phone than Z in term of hardware but not by much. I also had a dilemma when choosing Z or One but ended up choosing Z as I think it has better design and much cheaper in my country
Screen: Screen is definitely better on One but Z's screen with BE2 when viewing movie is better in my opinion. I really don't care about viewing angle and it isn't as bad on Z as I thought before (maybe my unit got good viewing angle).
Speaker: Yeah, nowhere near boomsound on HTC but it is loud enough. I can use it to view Youtube with my friend with audible audio.
Speed: Sense 5 is fast as hell, I would say that it is the fastest phone on the market right now, it is even faster than Galaxy S4. But most regular users don't really need it, XZ is plenty fast enough
Feel: I don't like the feel of One, although it is thicker than Z on white paper, the edge thickness is only half of Z's which make holding feel weird. Moreover, the buttons on One is the worst I have ever used. The power button is hard to press as it is so flat and place on top of such a big phone like One, volume rockers are also flat as well.
Battery life: I guess it is slightly better than Z. Maybe you will got 1 hour more of screen time.

my workmate has just got the HTC one and is having major problems with it, honestly really glad i've got the xz.

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Hi all,
This is my rant about the Xperia Z.
Prior to the Xperia Z, i was using a Galaxy Note 2. I loved the vividness of the screen (I know, unnatural colors) but hated how the 'white' was 'yellowish'. When the Xperia Z was introduced to the market, I fell in love with it's shape, and I have always wanted a phone that looked this good. It was waterproof so another bonus as I always wanted the ability to be able to wash my phone whenever it gets too dusty.
Sold off the Note 2, and bought the Xperia Z right away. The first issue I noticed was the display. It was sharp which was good, but the colors seemed washed out. Eventually I got used to it. The subsequent firmware added more contrast to the screen and after that, I had no complaints. The issue that cannot be fixed is the dead pixels. I have about 8 or 9 of them but they were only noticeable if the brightness was set at the maximum level.
Now, with the flaps, it is quite troublesome to remove them whenever you want to charge the phone or transfer stuff to / from the phone. I read about people who needed to replace their flaps and I didn't want this to happen to me. I bought a Note 2 QI wireless receiver and the charging dock. I modded the wireless receiver so it would fit the Xperia Z's charging point and it work. The downside to this is the battery heats up to 42.6 Celsius and it would stop charging randomly because of the heat. I had to go back to charging via USB. I use a case with all my devices so the official charging dock is not an option.
This is the case that I was using. My whole phone was wrapped with the casing and I took perfect care of it. Never has it once dropped or handled in a violent manner yet, last week, when i decided to wash the phone as it was dusty, I found a dent / line of crack (Vertical) at the top part of the phone on the left side (Right is where the headphone jack is located). I have no idea how the crack formed but it was quite heartbreaking.
Now the battery life. It is not bad, but not good. Not bad as it could last me a day of extremely light usage. I am forced to set my screen brightness at the lowest possible setting and turn the auto brightness off. Anything more and the battery would drain rapidly. I had to make use of the app, ds battery saver pro to turn off my data connection and turn it on every 15 minutes to receive notifications (email,whatsapp,wechat). I had to flash an awesome custom kernel (DooMKernel) so I could under-volt the device and clock it at 810MHz. With this, the battery would last me about 12 hours with about 2 hours of screen on time. The battery is used up my data connection whenever I turn the screen on. I visit the gym regularly so I'd play music via Bluetooth which accounts about 2 - 3 hours of usage. I grew tired of having to constantly conserve my usage just so the battery would last. Now, I know there are people who are extremely pleased with the battery life of their device and I don't want to argue on that. My point is, the battery is not suitable for my usage.
Finally, as some of you may notice, there were posts here claiming that there were specks of dust appearing on the images captured from the camera although there is nothing on the lens. Initially I assumed that these were just a minor occurrence, but I noticed the same on my phone yesterday. There were 3 dots and they were not dust. There aren't any scratches on my camera and I couldn't possibly think of a cause.

First of all, if mine would have dead pixels and also on the camera, I would return it.
Secondly, 12h with 2hour screentime is also not normal.
I get more than that with 45min of gaming, and internet on all the time

DoubleYouPee said:
First of all, if mine would have dead pixels and also on the camera, I would return it.
Secondly, 12h with 2hour screentime is also not normal.
I get more than that with 45min of gaming, and internet on all the time
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Unfortunately it's not as easy, in Malaysia. I know it could be done easily in the west / 1st World countries, as I would have done that immediately. It doesn't work as easily here. The camera issue happened yesterday, and about the dead pixel, it didn't bother me as they didn't appear on the lowest brightness.

arvin2212 said:
Unfortunately it's not as easy, in Malaysia. I know it could be done easily in the west / 1st World countries, as I would have done that immediately. It doesn't work as easily here. The camera issue happened yesterday, and about the dead pixel, it didn't bother me as they didn't appear on the lowest brightness.
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I love my phone.. let me suggest that you get rid of Doom Kernel..
Install this - ROM][CM10.1][AOKP][PA with HALO & PIE][OVERCLOCK 1944 MHz] PAC v23.0.0 - 0611 [ 1 2 3 ... Last ]
Set the CPU governer to ondemand

Yay a other rant and complain. Cool.
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About Ur flaps and charging u always can use a charging dock. The sony oem one isn't that expensive or get an aftermarket one, then u don't have to worry about the flaps.
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arvin2212 said:
Hi all,
This is my rant about the Xperia Z.
Prior to the Xperia Z, i was using a Galaxy Note 2. I loved the vividness of the screen (I know, unnatural colors) but hated how the 'white' was 'yellowish'. When the Xperia Z was introduced to the market, I fell in love with it's shape, and I have always wanted a phone that looked this good. It was waterproof so another bonus as I always wanted the ability to be able to wash my phone whenever it gets too dusty.
Sold off the Note 2, and bought the Xperia Z right away. The first issue I noticed was the display. It was sharp which was good, but the colors seemed washed out. Eventually I got used to it. The subsequent firmware added more contrast to the screen and after that, I had no complaints. The issue that cannot be fixed is the dead pixels. I have about 8 or 9 of them but they were only noticeable if the brightness was set at the maximum level.
Now, with the flaps, it is quite troublesome to remove them whenever you want to charge the phone or transfer stuff to / from the phone. I read about people who needed to replace their flaps and I didn't want this to happen to me. I bought a Note 2 QI wireless receiver and the charging dock. I modded the wireless receiver so it would fit the Xperia Z's charging point and it work. The downside to this is the battery heats up to 42.6 Celsius and it would stop charging randomly because of the heat. I had to go back to charging via USB. I use a case with all my devices so the official charging dock is not an option.
This is the case that I was using. My whole phone was wrapped with the casing and I took perfect care of it. Never has it once dropped or handled in a violent manner yet, last week, when i decided to wash the phone as it was dusty, I found a dent / line of crack (Vertical) at the top part of the phone on the left side (Right is where the headphone jack is located). I have no idea how the crack formed but it was quite heartbreaking.
Now the battery life. It is not bad, but not good. Not bad as it could last me a day of extremely light usage. I am forced to set my screen brightness at the lowest possible setting and turn the auto brightness off. Anything more and the battery would drain rapidly. I had to make use of the app, ds battery saver pro to turn off my data connection and turn it on every 15 minutes to receive notifications (email,whatsapp,wechat). I had to flash an awesome custom kernel (DooMKernel) so I could under-volt the device and clock it at 810MHz. With this, the battery would last me about 12 hours with about 2 hours of screen on time. The battery is used up my data connection whenever I turn the screen on. I visit the gym regularly so I'd play music via Bluetooth which accounts about 2 - 3 hours of usage. I grew tired of having to constantly conserve my usage just so the battery would last. Now, I know there are people who are extremely pleased with the battery life of their device and I don't want to argue on that. My point is, the battery is not suitable for my usage.
Finally, as some of you may notice, there were posts here claiming that there were specks of dust appearing on the images captured from the camera although there is nothing on the lens. Initially I assumed that these were just a minor occurrence, but I noticed the same on my phone yesterday. There were 3 dots and they were not dust. There aren't any scratches on my camera and I couldn't possibly think of a cause.
I had to hide some of the information present in the picture but I highlighted the black spots. They were static and appeared in all the subsequent pictures. If I were to lower the resolution, more dots would appear on the left side of the image. I Googled (Click me) and found that is is not only exclusive to a few members on XDA. This is happening to many others as well. I tried going back to the original 434 firmware and the dots were still there.
Finally, I decided to sell off this phone at a slight loss. My first smartphone was the HTC Touch Pro. Then I upgraded to the Dell Streak (For nearly 2 years) and the Samsung Galaxy Note 2. I never faced any hardware defects with those phones and claiming for warranty was something that was at the back of my mind. I thought i was immune to problems that others were reporting with their phones. I was immune for awhile, and then I ended up being in the same boat as some Xperia Z users. I was extremely proud of this phone, as it looked good while being solid and had the premium feel but there is where it ends.
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As another poster suggested you should return the phone under legal Sony international warranty regardless of where you live.
Failing that and with the knowledge that warranties are a problem in your country I would have to ask myself why risk purchasing ANY expensive device that cannot be repaired under normal international warranty? If I had such knowledge and lived in such Dickensian circumstances I would buy cheap and not suffer such a loss.
I do find it very hard to believe that you cannot make a claim because you live in Malaysia though. Sony carry an international warranty.
Lastly ALL and EVERY electronic devices can have problems regardless of brand, Sony is no exception. Its no fun at all when paying such a large sum for a top end phone BUT the higher the specification the more there is to go wrong so in a rather odd sort of way we are victims of our own desires. How did you sell it with all those problems? I bet the new owner loves you?
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Yay a other rant and complain. Cool.
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dante501 said:
About Ur flaps and charging u always can use a charging dock. The sony oem one isn't that expensive or get an aftermarket one, then u don't have to worry about the flaps.
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I bet you didn't read through the whole post. I have mentioned that all my devices are covered with a case and the dock only fits the device without the case so it is pointless for me to get it.
Ryland Johnson said:
As another poster suggested you should return the phone under legal Sony international warranty regardless of where you live.
Failing that and with the knowledge that warranties are a problem in your country I would have to ask myself why risk purchasing ANY expensive device that cannot be repaired under normal international warranty? If I had such knowledge and lived in such Dickensian circumstances I would buy cheap and not suffer such a loss.
I do find it very hard to believe that you cannot make a claim because you live in Malaysia though. Sony carry an international warranty.
Lastly ALL and EVERY electronic devices can have problems regardless of brand, Sony is no exception. Its no fun at all when paying such a large sum for a top end phone BUT the higher the specification the more there is to go wrong so in a rather odd sort of way we are victims of our own desires. How did you sell it with all those problems? I bet the new owner loves you?
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For warranty claims, it'll take some time to receive the phone back. It is urgent for me to use the phone so it'll be hard to wait for the warranty to take place. Some people are still waiting for their phone after nearly a month, as I found in my local forum. Anyways, the new owner is aware of the issues and is aware that they can be fixed. He can wait for the warranty to take place, I can't. I sold it at a loss, because of the mentioned issues.

u should just wait for warranty...
a pitty that u sold it, anyway how much did u sell it for? just want to know what the market price for the sxz 2nd nowdays

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a pitty that u sold it, anyway how much did u sell it for? just want to know what the market price for the sxz 2nd nowdays
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As what I heard, over at our region, there isn't much value for 2nd hand Sony phones. Just like how the price for the Xperia Z dropped rapidly. A shame I would say.

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Market price for 2nd hand is around RM14xx. As what I heard, over at our region, there isn't much value for 2nd hand Sony phones. Just like how the price for the Xperia Z dropped rapidly. A shame I would say.
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well its true, thats why i dont buy flagship phone when its officially release here in malaysia, sure drop price after 3-4 months. for me personally, use 2 phones, only use my z for browsing, games abit, camera, wash in water(showoff ). my nokia e66 pretty much my main phone:silly: just love the old phone
btw i have not yet have issue on camera having black dot suddenly, been using my z for a month and a half now. care to inform me of your detail of the phone? eg, when u bought the phone, is it original or local ap, and any info about the software u had before the problem. thanks.. i have read your post but in need of more detail.

ILoveXperia said:
well its true, thats why i dont buy flagship phone when its officially release here in malaysia, sure drop price after 3-4 months. for me personally, use 2 phones, only use my z for browsing, games abit, camera, wash in water(showoff ). my nokia e66 pretty much my main phone:silly: just love the old phone
btw i have not yet have issue on camera having black dot suddenly, been using my z for a month and a half now. care to inform me of your detail of the phone? eg, when u bought the phone, is it original or local ap, and any info about the software u had before the problem. thanks.. i have read your post but in need of more detail.
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True. Even the SGS4 dropped it's price significantly. Some claim that it is due to excessive stock , while the rest says that it's probably due to the release of the LTE version. I believe the price drop on the SGS4 is more severe than the Xperia Z though.
I bought the Xperia Z on the 15th of April 2013. I noticed the dots on the camera on the 12th of June, just 3 days shy of being 2 months old. Found a thread on XDA HERE and I found out that many more are complaining about it. Whats worse is someone sent it to be repaired and the phone lost it's waterproof ability. The phone that I own is an AP set marketed for Sweden.
My main usage is whatsapp, and instagram and Jefit pro. I use Jefit pro to help with my workout in the gym. Other than that, when I am in the gym, I'll play music via bluetooth. Another funny issue is , using poweramp, no matter what configuration i use, music titles would show as 'unknown' on my sony ericsson MW100 (2nd gen). When it was paired with my note 2, music titles displayed without any issue. The walkman app would display the music title though but the sound reproduction of poweramp seems to be better.
I have a tasker profile that whenever i connect to a known wifi network, my lockscreen would be disabled. Whenever I press the "next" or "previous" button on my bluetooth headset while playing music, the screen on the device would turn on. Never faced this behavior on my previous phone. Other than that, I don't do much surfing on the device whenever I am outside of the house due to the battery life.

arvin2212 said:
Market price for 2nd hand is around RM14xx. As what I heard, over at our region, there isn't much value for 2nd hand Sony phones. Just like how the price for the Xperia Z dropped rapidly. A shame I would say.
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For Singapore, HTC phones don't have much value fortunately.
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First of all, if mine would have dead pixels and also on the camera, I would return it.
Secondly, 12h with 2hour screentime is also not normal.
I get more than that with 45min of gaming, and internet on all the time
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actually yea it is, I got the same thing, all mobile data no wifi. stamina mode and greenify.

G1_enthusiast said:
actually yea it is, I got the same thing, all mobile data no wifi. stamina mode and greenify.
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I am glad you agreed. That is the truth after all. Brightness is set all the way down to 0 with automatic brightness turned off.
I don't use stamina mode or greenify because DS Battery pro kills the data connection and that was all that I neeeded. Tasker was set to turn off auto sync whenever my phone leaves the charger. I don't think the battery could do better than that.
I tried running a youtube video (Dead Pixel massager) on wifi, clocked at 594 MHz @ 72500 MV (Undervolted) and my screen on time was about 5 Hours 1 minute before the device ran low on battery.
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5 hours with that usage it's a good time

Considering this phone, couple of questions and feedback from owners please...

I've been away from all this phone thing for a couple of years. In fact, I was never very much into it, I just used to buy whatever flagship there was at the moment as that would usually be cheaper - a phone that would last for a long time and be able to keep getting support. Seems like things~have changed quite a lot and flagship phones are waaaay too big and cost what they cost because of a lot of stuff I don't use or need.
I currently own an LG G2, which from my searches seems to be still very up to date. Best two things about it is the size and screen/body ratio that allows for single hand use; big battery (3000mah). It's getting old though and I was thinking of replacing it but I'm lost.
This X Play got my attetion mainly because of the price, battery life and the near stock Android which should be easy and quick to keep up with Android updates. Motorola being owned by Google made me think these would get a fast and prompt support.
But after reading and watching a few reviews, I'm no loner sure I should spend my money. A few specific questions and a more general one:
- Many reviews end up saying battery life is nowhere near the values claimed with regular use, with screen on times of about 4 hours (web browsing and such). Is that the case? Lower spec Snapdragon and over 3600mah sound like it would last a lot more.
- How are updates with Motorola and what would it mean in the future, now that it's going to Lenovo? Is Pure close to owning a Nexus or no?
- Do benchmark numbers like Geekbench mean anything? My old G2 wipes the floor with this one if they mean anything, making a lot less sense getting it. It would be a huge downgrade.
And the more general and probably more useful question for me...
- Are you happy with this phone and why? If you know the G2, is it worth replacing it for this one? I mainly use these things as phones, web browser, social media and light games when I need to kill some time (no crazy high spec FPS games or watching movies or playing music). An immediate disadvantage to me is that this phone is already a bit too big for my liking. Borderline too big though, so pluses could easily outweigh this.
Just to give you guys a bit more context, the Nexus 5x would be my no brainer choice if it had at least 3000mah battery. Like the OnePlus X for size, specs and price but I think my current G2 is clearly a better phone on pretty much everything.
Sorry for the long post but you see I don't have a real clear idea of things, so I can't really make very specific questions. Any thoughts appreciated regarding these generalities! :fingers-crossed:

- Considering the primitive specs sheet and the huge battery, the battery life could have been better. But still it is better than most of the other phones available now
- It's almost a Nexus except for perhaps the dialer and a few motorola goodies thrown in. From my past experiences with Motorola phones, the first update is quick, the second comes a bit late
- I like holding the Play in my hand better than G2, it feels more sturdy.
- If not for the Motorola goodies, it's not worth the upgrade (assuming your G2 is still holding up). The battery life is only slightly better (but much much better than G3).
- If it matters to you, there is no Gyroscope in Play. The camera on X play is slightly better but again there is no OIS.
- x Play is water repellent. I am one of those people who don't use a cover and am more than happy to take my phone out when it's drizzling or snowing
Personally i am disappointed with the screen on X play. The previous versions of Moto X had an AMOLED screen and the Moto Display was great on it, and up to the mark on the LCD screen.
Hope this helps and forgive my poor English

yekollu said:
- Considering the primitive specs sheet and the huge battery, the battery life could have been better. But still it is better than most of the other phones available now
- It's almost a Nexus except for perhaps the dialer and a few motorola goodies thrown in. From my past experiences with Motorola phones, the first update is quick, the second comes a bit late
- I like holding the Play in my hand better than G2, it feels more sturdy.
- If not for the Motorola goodies, it's not worth the upgrade (assuming your G2 is still holding up). The battery life is only slightly better (but much much better than G3).
- If it matters to you, there is no Gyroscope in Play. The camera on X play is slightly better but again there is no OIS.
- x Play is water repellent. I am one of those people who don't use a cover and am more than happy to take my phone out when it's drizzling or snowing
Personally i am disappointed with the screen on X play. The previous versions of Moto X had an AMOLED screen and the Moto Display was great on it, and up to the mark on the LCD screen.
Hope this helps and forgive my poor English
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Thanks for that and your English looks just fine to me, don't know why you would apologize! But then again, English is not my main language either, so I wouldn't know
I've been asking around but it seems I'm keeping my money and my G2. I can't really find a phone that is a solid, all round improvement over it and that justifies spending the cash. Oh well... :highfive:

Honestly dude, this is a very good value phone. Performance with the underpowered chip is really pretty good minus the occasional hiccup (I don't game, but I like a fluid ui... which this definitely has 99% of the time. Sometimes it'll hang for a bit under load but sorts itself out pretty quickly and is a very minor nuisance). The battery is a beast too. I dunno what setup the other guy has that he's only getting average BL (xposed cuts life in half I've noticed, so I stopped using it), but mine is great. Build quality feels kinda cheap and the way it rattles when it vibrates makes me cringe, but this is not a flagship phone. I got mine for 150 CAD outright on a carrier promo, but honestly I'd still be satisfied if I paid double that

I have the phone and found it an upgrade over my iPhone 6 and my wife's S6. I hate gimmicky features, which the S6 has.
Battery life is very nice on this phone in my opinion. I average 4 hours SOT and I'm mostly on cellular data and have a BT headset on all day. Even then I'm only down to around 45% give or take.
Performance is great for me. I had a Nexus 5 for a while and that was really the only other Android phone I have had that was as fluid or more fluid than this phone. The S6 and iPhone 6 had hiccups in the ui, even more than this phone.
All that being said though, if your G2 is still working nicely, I would highly recommend just sticking with it. Maybe invest in a new battery and a case to freshen it up. The new Qualcomm chips don't really seem to be that much more powerful than 2 or so generations ago. Even ram counts and storage space haven't gone up as much as I would have expected. Kinda like we have hit a brick wall. I expect that a flagship phone shouldn't start off with 16gb anymore... Looking at you Apple.
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brian10161 said:
I have the phone and found it an upgrade over my iPhone 6 and my wife's S6. I hate gimmicky features, which the S6 has.
Battery life is very nice on this phone in my opinion. I average 4 hours SOT and I'm mostly on cellular data and have a BT headset on all day. Even then I'm only down to around 45% give or take.
Performance is great for me. I had a Nexus 5 for a while and that was really the only other Android phone I have had that was as fluid or more fluid than this phone. The S6 and iPhone 6 had hiccups in the ui, even more than this phone.
All that being said though, if your G2 is still working nicely, I would highly recommend just sticking with it. Maybe invest in a new battery and a case to freshen it up. The new Qualcomm chips don't really seem to be that much more powerful than 2 or so generations ago. Even ram counts and storage space haven't gone up as much as I would have expected. Kinda like we have hit a brick wall. I expect that a flagship phone shouldn't start off with 16gb anymore... Looking at you Apple.
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Thanks guys! I was sort of doubting my conclusion... from what I was seeing, there's no real differences in usage for the perspective of an average user. Its a good thing though, a cheap(ish) phone like this would actually give me a better experience over some (all) the current flagships.
I might be getting old, apparently I'm no longer a member of the market when a company thinks about a new phone... From what I've seen, my perfect phone would be the combination of 3 current models and that combination doesn't exist: OnePlus X for size and looks, Nexus 5x for the stock Android and this Play for battery life.
I came across some Chinese phones that claim crazy insane MAH batteries(*) but, knowing how they go about rewrapping batteries and LiPo packs with absurd numbers that are impossible, I'm not even looking into those. If they are for real I'll eventually hear something about them...
(*) Google "Ulefone Power" just for kicks...

I know exactly what you mean there. It's frustrating but that seems how the market works these days.
I'm only 26 myself and I feel like in the older part of the market these days! I had been contemplating some of those cheap Chinese imported phones myself, but found the X Play in store and that's what changed my decision. I'm overall happy with it. Mobile CPUs have seemingly advance more in the midrange/low range sector than the high end chips.
I don't see any reason to buy a flagship phone any more, or if you do, buying an older generation phone for the cost savings. Especially if you unlock the bootloader and load other firmware.
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brian10161 said:
I know exactly what you mean there. It's frustrating but that seems how the market works these days.
I'm only 26 myself and I feel like in the older part of the market these days!
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Well, I guess one gets used to certain things and stops feeling the need for more. But apparently the good thing about flagships to us is that they make what we consider good gear mainstream and affordable. I had to buy a new PC the other day and I ended up with an odd looking and tinny HP Mini i5 8gb plugged into a 32' TV. Waaay cheaper than an entry level gaming rig, does everything I want effortlessly, doesn't take up room... so there's a good thing about getting old (I'm 38 btw)
More on topic though, and picking up your point about past flagships, I've just found the Galaxy S6 Active. I had never seen one of those things before, don't think it was ever on sale here in Portugal. Ugly as hell, looks like something made for the zombie apocalypse but it's an S6 with a top notch battery! That could be interesting, must check that one out better...

If it's not an AT&T exclusive and available everywhere, it would have been an obvious choice for some.

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Honestly dude, this is a very good value phone. Performance with the underpowered chip is really pretty good minus the occasional hiccup (I don't game, but I like a fluid ui... which this definitely has 99% of the time. Sometimes it'll hang for a bit under load but sorts itself out pretty quickly and is a very minor nuisance). The battery is a beast too. I dunno what setup the other guy has that he's only getting average BL (xposed cuts life in half I've noticed, so I stopped using it), but mine is great. Build quality feels kinda cheap and the way it rattles when it vibrates makes me cringe, but this is not a flagship phone. I got mine for 150 CAD outright on a carrier promo, but honestly I'd still be satisfied if I paid double that
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I was comparing the X Play's battery to G2's battery
Compared to most flagship's available now, yes the battery is a Monster but with G2, it's only a slight bump (not the capacity but the actual performance) and i thought he was looking to replace his G2

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If it's not an AT&T exclusive and available everywhere, it would have been an obvious choice for some.
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It can be had unlocked, I've looked into ebay and I can get one from within the EU but they look like unlocked and tested AT&T used units. Price is about the same or higher than a brand new X Play. And despite being checked units with warranty, that still doesn't tell me if it has a fresh battery in it or not - probably not. Getting one from the US is out of the question as with taxes and duties the price could easily be 30 to 40% higher.
That and the fact that it is an AT&T phone. My current one is also an AT&T branded unit and it's a PITA to update it. No OTA updates for me as I'm not in the US and the phone has to be registered to the network to get the updates - or something like that, don't really know that works but I have to manually flash it.
yekollu said:
I was comparing the X Play's battery to G2's battery
Compared to most flagship's available now, yes the battery is a Monster but with G2, it's only a slight bump (not the capacity but the actual performance) and i thought he was looking to replace his G2
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I sort of am yekollu, but it's not like I need a new phone because mine is about to die, it's more the capricious wish to have a new toy. My G2 is getting old in the way it has some scuffs to the body (mostly hidden by a low profile case) and battery went through many cycles already but its health is still good. I just thought that after a couple of years not looking into phones things would have leaped hugely and the most recent models would wipe the floor with the G2. Some do but only in high end games I don't play and at the cost of having to have the phone constantly charging.
I still haven't gave up on the idea of a replacement and the X Play is a strong candidate as battery life is more important to me than most things but I'm not yet convinced I'll feel like it was money well spent. I do appreciate your and other people's feedback as reviews have wildly different numbers and results, and I don't know how some of those numbers translate to everyday real usage. :highfive:

Kutusov said:
I sort of am yekollu, but it's not like I need a new phone because mine is about to die, it's more the capricious wish to have a new toy. My G2 is getting old in the way it has some scuffs to the body (mostly hidden by a low profile case) and battery went through many cycles already but its health is still good. I just thought that after a couple of years not looking into phones things would have leaped hugely and the most recent models would wipe the floor with the G2. Some do but only in high end games I don't play and at the cost of having to have the phone constantly charging.
I still haven't gave up on the idea of a replacement and the X Play is a strong candidate as battery life is more important to me than most things but I'm not yet convinced I'll feel like it was money well spent. I do appreciate your and other people's feedback as reviews have wildly different numbers and results, and I don't know how some of those numbers translate to everyday real usage. :highfive:
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If it's battery life, go for X play!! Like i mentioned earlier even though it's slightly better than G2, it's much better than most other phones available now (I still use my G2 as standby phone).

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If it's battery life, go for X play!! Like i mentioned earlier even though it's slightly better than G2, it's much better than most other phones available now (I still use my G2 as standby phone).
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I just got another email from GB about the Elephone P9000 Power... at 180 bucks from China (so import duties most likely on top of that), and from a couple of youtube reviews I've seen, might be something worth the punt. As fas as I can tell, it runs stock Android also. It's a big 5.5 screen but so is the Moto and this thing looks a lot more compact. Sounds and looks too good to be true, so I'll have to look more into it. If what they, costumers and reviewers are saying is true, this is the real flagship killer and best phone to beat by a country mile.
...man, 6050mah battery?? And stock Android so no more ties to a company I don't know on the update side of things?

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I just got another email from GB about the Elephone P9000 Power... at 180 bucks from China (so import duties most likely on top of that), and from a couple of youtube reviews I've seen, might be something worth the punt. As fas as I can tell, it runs stock Android also. It's a big 5.5 screen but so is the Moto and this thing looks a lot more compact. Sounds and looks too good to be true, so I'll have to look more into it. If what they, costumers and reviewers are saying is true, this is the real flagship killer and best phone to beat by a country mile.
...man, 6050mah battery?? And stock Android so no more ties to a company I don't know on the update side of things?
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Dont buy those chinese phone. Their battery capacity is only good on paper. Im not even sure that they put real capacity on it

I'll post these screenshots to give you an idea of my battery usage. It's a beast in standby with MM as well my friend. I haven't modded mine much either, just rooted and gravitybox.
Oh I actually just remembered another phone that may interest you. The Alcatel Idol 3 5.5. It doesn't have the same size battery, but similar chipset. I played with it in store and it seems quite capable. I'm not sure about software updates though, haven't heart about MM for it yet.
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Way better battery life then when I had a G2, just saying..

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Dont buy those chinese phone. Their battery capacity is only good on paper. Im not even sure that they put real capacity on it
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Of course not... I can't even find their site. Or maybe a do but if that's their site... To make it worst, I know the brand from the electronic cigarette world, which was the only thing that worked at stopping me from smoking. They have a very cheap device with awful QC. They sound like a brand that will trough an electronic device together if they can find some NOS parts and with no clear focus or market.
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I'll post these screenshots to give you an idea of my battery usage. It's a beast in standby with MM as well my friend. I haven't modded mine much either, just rooted and gravitybox.
Oh I actually just remembered another phone that may interest you. The Alcatel Idol 3 5.5. It doesn't have the same size battery, but similar chipset. I played with it in store and it seems quite capable. I'm not sure about software updates though, haven't heart about MM for it yet.
Thanks! The more I look into this, and even without an urgent need to switch phones, the more interesting it looks. What sucks here in Europe is the price. It's a good price at just under €400 but no quick charger or anything. And the phones like the G4 or the Nexus 5x can be found cheaper. All worst on battery but still hard not to think about those for the price...
The US gets much nicer stuff, no fair! The Moto Droid 2 Turbo (or something like that) looks like a beasty, including battery life. But just like the S6 Active was an AT&T exclusive, the Droid 2 is a Verizon exclusive. No Moto Maker also but that's not a real bummer with the Play, I would end up with a similar look for it anyway. Not a fan of metal or matchy matchy colours that aren't either dark grey or black.
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Way better battery life then when I had a G2, just saying..
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The G2 has a great battery life only because most flagship phones suck at that. I came to the G2 from an HTC OneX, flagship for less than a month because HTC released the OneX+ right away and without warning there would be such a thing. Essentially the same thing with a bigger battery because the original would last half the time of a G2. So the LG looked amazing to me.
I now can't say for sure but I'm pretty certain I could go through a whole day of heavy use when I owned the first Galaxy. Those AMOLED displays wouldn't use much battery... you couldn't see a thing when on the outside but they were great little phones when in dark, smoky bars frequented by ladies of dubious reputation

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Of course not... I can't even find their site. Or maybe a do but if that's their site... To make it worst, I know the brand from the electronic cigarette world, which was the only thing that worked at stopping me from smoking. They have a very cheap device with awful QC. They sound like a brand that will trough an electronic device together if they can find some NOS parts and with no clear focus or market.
The G2 has a great battery life only because most flagship phones suck at that. I came to the G2 from an HTC OneX, flagship for less than a month because HTC released the OneX+ right away and without warning there would be such a thing. Essentially the same thing with a bigger battery because the original would last half the time of a G2. So the LG looked amazing to me.
I now can't say for sure but I'm pretty certain I could go through a whole day of heavy use when I owned the first Galaxy. Those AMOLED displays wouldn't use much battery... you couldn't see a thing when on the outside but they were great little phones when in dark, smoky bars frequented by ladies of dubious reputation
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You can try samsung galaxy a7 2016.
Touchwiz is better now and the screen and battery is great

Thanks for the original poster for this thread, because i am actually looking at the exact same doubt. I don't own a G2 right now, but i did in the past and i achieve 8 something hours SOT. I also found the battery life reviews tricky, with some stating massive stand by times and others just getting 4.5 hours SOT.
Also... the price difference is huge right now. We can get a decent G2 for 150 CAD$, and a moto x play on Wind carrier, still sells for 450 CAD$, plus tax, which totals 500$...
Shouldn't we be all achieve at least 8 hours with moderate usage? web browsing, calls, texts, facebook?
so... USED LG G2, or NEW Moto x play?

The difference in SOT amongst users comes down down to different usage scenarios.
Battery life will deplete according to 2g/3g/4g mode.
Also whether mobile data is used or wifi is used also counts.
The brightness at which phone is used also counts.
The signal reception of area again counts.
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G6 or S8?

I pre-ordered my S8 last week, but now LG has opened its pre-orders here too. It's a good ~USD 100 cheaper and will actually beat Samsung to market despite starting later (by only about 3 days though). I got the chance to play around with a dummy, and I will say I slightly prefer the blockier construction on the G6 versus the S8's super-thin design (although there's no doubt the S8 looks better). I haven't had the chance to play with a real demo one though, but I'm definitely going out of my way to try it. I'm not terribly concerned about performance or display or camera, but what I am concerned about is battery. I'm someone who's very heavy on my devices, sometimes going 7+ hours SOT a day, and my S7's battery has become a bit of a slog in the year since I got it (even on lighter days, which I realize is still at least 4h SOT, it requires a mid-afternoon "nap"). The G6 does come with a larger battery, but also a less efficient processor. Which one do you think will serve me better, for the next year or so?

AB__CD said:
I pre-ordered my S8 last week, but now LG has opened its pre-orders here too. It's a good ~USD 100 cheaper and will actually beat Samsung to market despite starting later (by only about 3 days though). I got the chance to play around with a dummy, and I will say I slightly prefer the blockier construction on the G6 versus the S8's super-thin design (although there's no doubt the S8 looks better). I haven't had the chance to play with a real demo one though, but I'm definitely going out of my way to try it. I'm not terribly concerned about performance or display or camera, but what I am concerned about is battery. I'm someone who's very heavy on my devices, sometimes going 7+ hours SOT a day, and my S7's battery has become a bit of a slog in the year since I got it (even on lighter days, which I realize is still at least 4h SOT, it requires a mid-afternoon "nap"). The G6 does come with a larger battery, but also a less efficient processor. Which one do you think will serve me better, for the next year or so?
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I am a LG fan myself and has used all the LG flagships since G4, both G and V series. I am expecting my G6 to be delivered today. I don't like Samsung because of their software, but that's just me.
As for you, if that extra 100$ is not a concern I would recommend the S8. For a heavy user, a power efficient cpu will probably give you longer sot, despite smaller battery.

suhridkhan said:
I am a LG fan myself and has used all the LG flagships since G4, both G and V series. I am expecting my G6 to be delivered today. I don't like Samsung because of their software, but that's just me.
As for you, if that extra 100$ is not a concern I would recommend the S8. For a heavy user, a power efficient cpu will probably give you longer sot, despite smaller battery.
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I can deal with the software, I actually kind of like it (I know, I'm a monster hahaha). If I'm not wrong, standby is better on LG than Samsung right? Anyway, keep me posted on your G6's battery. I'm interested in hearing about it!

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I can deal with the software, I actually kind of like it (I know, I'm a monster hahaha). If I'm not wrong, standby is better on LG than Samsung right? Anyway, keep me posted on your G6's battery. I'm interested in hearing about it!
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I think the battery life of the G6 is good, but twice now I've seen the battery level drop really fast during the day.
Here is what's common about those two incidents.
1) The phone was hardly used on those days.
2) Connected to WiFi.
3) Appears to happen after a week + days since the last time.
I'm beginning to wonder if the cause is some sort of carrier, or LG, baked in app collecting data, or running diagnostics. Being on WiFi kinda makes me suspect that because we know companies have been trashed before about consuming data on metered lines.
Regardless, it's irritating to find half your battery gone by noon when the phone has been on the coffee table for the entire time. A reboot appears to correct it, or resets the clock.
As for rogue apps in the background, I don't install apps. I've used the same apps for the last two years+ and didn't experience this on my V20, S7E, Note7, or V10.
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echto said:
I think the battery life of the G6 is good, but twice now I've seen the battery level drop really fast during the day.
Here is what's common about those two incidents.
1) The phone was hardly used on those days.
2) Connected to WiFi.
3) Appears to happen after a week + days since the last time.
I'm beginning to wonder if the cause is some sort of carrier, or LG, baked in app collecting data, or running diagnostics. Being on WiFi kinda makes me suspect that because we know companies have been trashed before about consuming data on metered lines.
Regardless, it's irritating to find half your battery gone by noon when the phone has been on the coffee table for the entire time. A reboot appears to correct it, or resets the clock.
As for rogue apps in the background, I don't install apps. I've used the same apps for the last two years+ and didn't experience this on my V20, S7E, Note7, or V10.
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Sounds like poor callibration on LG's part. Or perhaps intentional result modification to give the illusion of good endurance. Much like my S7 drops rapidly after exiting Ultra Power Saving.
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I was excited about LG Pay, but that appears to be a slow moving boat. For those that don't know, LG Pay will use magnetic field modulating technology similar to Samsung Pay, which allows the phone to be used as a payment device with older magnetic card readers. Unfortunately LG Pay won't be released until June, and then only in South Korea. So far, LG has only been able to bring two, yes only two, financial institutions on board. No word if LG Pay will be released in the US.
I did like Samsung pay, but hated the white background it went to after an update. It looks like the white background may no longer be there from recent pictures I've seen.
I'm teetering...
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Hi, I would like to buy LG G6 or S8, It is true that the rounded corners are bad on G6???

Cri87 said:
Hi, I would like to buy LG G6 or S8, It is true that the rounded corners are bad on G6???
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Theyre not bad per se, just differently done. Where the Galaxy S8 has a normal display with bezels that cover the corners, the LG G6 display is a display whose corners have actually been cut off. This improves durability, as the corners are less likely to be impacted during a fall. This means the corners arent perfectly smooth, but only about as jagged as a circle on the display is. Which is to say: not noticeable when viewing normally.
There are lots of reasons to get the S8 over thd G6, and vice versa, but this ain't one of them.
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Theyre not bad per se...
...There are lots of reasons to get the S8 over thd G6, and vice versa, but this ain't one of them.
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Thank you so much for the info :good:

The curved display of s8 is a big minus for me, along with the fingerprint sensor position.
Specially when watching a video, or playing games, the curved edges looks really ugly.

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The curved display of s8 is a big minus for me, along with the fingerprint sensor position.
Specially when watching a video, or playing games, the curved edges looks really ugly.
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The curve is not as dramatic as previous curved Galaxy phones. The S8 reminds me a lot of the Note 7. Both the G6 and S8+ are great phones.
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echto said:
The curve is not as dramatic as previous curved Galaxy phones. The S8 reminds me a lot of the Note 7. Both the G6 and S8+ are great phones.
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I had the opportunity of having a s8 for a couple of hours yesterday from my cousin. I admit it's a gorgeous looking phone, but still couldn't really like the screen curve, it's just not for me. Functionality is more important to me than aesthetics. My G6 got delivered today, and so far I am pretty happy. The only thing I am gonna miss is the notification LED, guess I just have to get used to the always on display.

You need to evaluate well for both and against...

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I had the opportunity of having a s8 for a couple of hours yesterday from my cousin. I admit it's a gorgeous looking phone, but still couldn't really like the screen curve, it's just not for me. Functionality is more important to me than aesthetics. My G6 got delivered today, and so far I am pretty happy. The only thing I am gonna miss is the notification LED, guess I just have to get used to the always on display.
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I haven't turned my my G6 yet. I'm going to use the G8+ for a day or two before decided which one to keep.
The G6 definitely feels better in the hand with it's flat edges.
The S8+ finger print sensor is not as bad as the press is making it out to be. The press should concern themselves with more important issues in my opinion.
The display on the S8+ is fantastic, and you can stream music to two Bluetooth devices simultaneously.
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Whichever goes on sale first
I am waiting for Verizon to put one of these two on 50% off sale. Probably won't happen until Black Friday. No hurry, my G3 is working perfectly with Nougat 7.1.1.

Get the S8 if the fingerprint sensor is not an issue for you. The G6 is slower than most 2016 flagship. You could also get an S7 since its both faster and cheaper. Oh, and no bootloop

Relayers said:
Get the S8 if the fingerprint sensor is not an issue for you. The G6 is slower than most 2016 flagship. You could also get an S7 since its both faster and cheaper. Oh, and no bootloop
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I had the s7 and the s7 edge (and the Note 7 for that matter}, and none of them were faster than the G6 I have now. YMMV.

mhill1986 said:
I had the s7 and the s7 edge (and the Note 7 for that matter}, and none of them were faster than the G6 I have now. YMMV.
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too bad all the tests on the web says otherwise (Exynos with Nougat). The G6 is a joke. It even got a CDN$400.00 rebate since day 1 (using the trade in promo, I used a $15.00 Alcatel pos) + free LG TONE INFINIM (CDN$170.00 value (apparently)).
Terrible battery life, mediocre camera,2016 CPU, GG 3 and will probably get the bootloop plague. There is no reason (but the cool shape/screen ratio) to get this phone at retail price or even close to retail price. Its an overpriced mediocre phone thats great to hold.
And for some reason, only a few countries get the wireless charging ! What a weird decision.

Relayers said:
too bad all the tests on the web says otherwise (Exynos with Nougat). The G6 is a joke. It even got a CDN$400.00 rebate since day 1 (using the trade in promo, I used a $15.00 Alcatel pos) + free LG TONE INFINIM (CDN$170.00 value (apparently)).
Terrible battery life, mediocre camera,2016 CPU, GG 3 and will probably get the bootloop plague. There is no reason (but the cool shape/screen ratio) to get this phone at retail price or even close to retail price. Its an overpriced mediocre phone thats great to hold.
And for some reason, only a few countries get the wireless charging ! What a weird decision.
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Battery life is on par with most of the other flagships (somewhere between 4.5 and 6 hours SOT) and I stick by my assertion that performance is on par as well. The camera has strengths and weaknesses just like all cameras. Anyway, I'm enjoying the device. I'll leave it at that.

I also went with the G6. Never been much of a Samsung fan, but did want to at least have an open mind. I really prefer the screen size of the G6; the S8 just feels too long and narrow. So far battery life has been excellent, even with the AOD turned on. The camera seems to be a big improvement over the G4 I came from. FWIW, I'm very happy I chose the G6 over the S8. As always, YMMV.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Xiaomi Poco F1, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Xiaomi Poco F1 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

After using the phone for almost a day, I must say that the battery life is amazing. 10 hours of SOT is something I had never heard before but after using the phone, I'm more than impressed with the battery life. PS: on WiFi, over 80 apps installed.

Adityameena70 said:
After using the phone for almost a day, I must say that the battery life is amazing. 10 hours of SOT is something I had never heard before but after using the phone, I'm more than impressed with the battery life. PS: on WiFi, over 80 apps installed.
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I am more interested in SOT when using 4G all day. Anything above 5 hours would be awesome. 10 hours of SOT with WiFi is nothing short of an achievement.

Ruvy said:
I am more interested in SOT when using 4G all day. Anything above 5 hours would be awesome. 10 hours of SOT with WiFi is nothing short of an achievement.
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Well I have got 7+ hours of SOT with 4G. Mainly setting up new apps, playing PubG and watching youtube.
Got thru 4 gb of data in those 7+ hrs , so yes I am pretty happy.
Now on 85%battery after 1.5 hrs SOT and 1 hr of calls.

Not too shabby

Well, I like Poco f1 a lot because of the amazing battery
But the call output through loudspeaker could be much better and so could be the display touch latency...I mean I don't expect 50ms like an iPhone but the response of this phone left much to desire. It doesn't lag, apps open quickly, switching between apps is smooth. You just feel disappointed when you scroll up and down quickly through app dower or web page. I think my nexus 5 was more responsive in this aspect. I'm not sure as it's dead now so can't campare side by side now.
I tried increasing pointer speed under settings, but it didn't do anything. It's probably for external devices such as mouse, but I tried anyway.
Lastly, I saw drop test of Poco f1 from 3 ft on youtube which broke it after single drop! The case provided in box is lose, so have to buy a body armor. I just wish they had used gorilla glass 5 like in mi a2. Mi a2 did survive a couple of drops in drop test uploaded on YouTube. I know gorilla glass is scratch resistant and isn't really shatterproof but still!
What's the use of a great phone if it's gonna break its screen on the first drop which is gonna happen sooner or later?!
It's already heavy so body armor will increase its weight even more...I also doubt that full screen swipe gesture controls won't work if the armor edges rise above the phone edges!

PD2091 said:
But the call output through loudspeaker could be much better and so could be the display touch latency...I mean I don't expect 50ms like an iPhone but the response of this phone left much to desire. It doesn't lag, apps open quickly, switching between apps is smooth. You just feel disappointed when you scroll up and down quickly through app dower or web page. I think my nexus 5 was more responsive in this aspect. I'm not sure as it's dead now so can't campare side by side now.
I tried increasing pointer speed under settings, but it didn't do anything. It's probably for external devices such as mouse, but I tried anyway.
Lastly, I saw drop test of Poco f1 from 3 ft on youtube which broke it after single drop! The case provided in box is lose, so have to buy a body armor. I just wish they had used gorilla glass 5 like in mi a2. Mi a2 did survive a couple of drops in drop test uploaded on YouTube. I know gorilla glass is scratch resistant and isn't really shatterproof but still!
What's the use of a great phone if it's gonna break its screen on the first drop which is gonna happen sooner or later?!
It's already heavy so body armor will increase its weight even more...I also doubt that full screen swipe gesture controls won't work if the armor edges rise above the phone edges!
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I thought I was the only one seeing YouTube videos on 60fps PUBG Gameplay and noticed touch latency is really high. Mi5 user here. Do you think poco f1 is a worthy upgrade over it? Want to use it for PUBG but the latency breaks my heart.

The love for it increases day by day!
I was seriously not a great fan of the notch n gestures..... But guess what now I'm loving it!!!
The time n battery with signal indicators around the notch is a great way to use the space.
Face unlock is the best thing that ever happened to me!
The gestures on this phone is amazing, but the back gesture has to be more efficient as the screen protector Kinda interefere??
N lastly the speed... It's fast!
Only thing I'm waiting for is the notifications n battery percentage for notification panels. Hopefully they update it fast.

Hi, does it have notifications in ambient display? While screen is off I mean

firas1886 said:
Hi, does it have notifications in ambient display? While screen is off I mean
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There is no ambient /always on display on the phone yet, not sure if this is something a dev could make the mod for

Yes I love my F1
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I've been using this phone extensively for a week. Mine is a 6gb RAM + 64gb ROM. To sum it up, I give this a 4 star out of 5, where the missing 1 star goes to all the software bugs, big notch and overly rounded edges. Pocophone could have executed the big notch and overly rounded edges better if they had better UI, but for now, even some system UI cannot be seen or cut halfway. Overall, it is a fast, ambitious phone that gave the rest of the flagship a run for its money with its impressive hardware that actually truly reflected in daily use of the phone like heat dissipation is pretty quick on this phone, charging speed is acceptable, phone speed is quick but I do find that ram management could still improve. The camera is so so, even my Huawei P9 from 2 years ago can be a contender to this phone.

Eh. I get 2 days SOT with cellular network on with my Redmi Note 4 which has 4100 MhA. Compared to this Poco should have gotten double of that battery It would be an awesome phone. SOT is everything to me after efficiency. It's a no go.

Pocophone F1 fingerprint issue
Hello,
I just bought a new one Pocophone F1 last Friday and the fingerprint identification does not work. I add my fingerprint to the phone but it does not open the locked screen.
Have anyone idea what can I do to solve the issue? Or is it a factory defective?
Thank you for your answer in advance.
Regards,
Balázs

szenteb said:
Hello,
I just bought a new one Pocophone F1 last Friday and the fingerprint identification does not work. I add my fingerprint to the phone but it does not open the locked screen.
Have anyone idea what can I do to solve the issue? Or is it a factory defective?
Thank you for your answer in advance.
Regards,
Balázs
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Hi,
Factory reset was solved the problem. It seems working fine.

Overall 8/10
Priceworthy 10/10
Cons
- Speaker is a bit weird
- No 4g (T-Mobile) USA
- Plastic back (I hope third party companies at least make custom backs)
- On stock rom when sun directly hits the screen, it becomes high contrast? (Fixed on custom rom)
Pros
- Battery
- Price
- CPU
- Speed
- Developer friendly
- Camera
- Does Not burn your hands
- Face unlock ( no face unlock on roms yet)
Overall i love this phone, second xiaomi phone and im impressed.

I've been using Poco for a month now. Although I think it's pretty awesome for the price, I have a feeling they should have executed some things a little bit better.
Poco reminds me of the day the Oneplus One came out, which was a little bit more competitive at the time.
Don't get me wrong, Poco is a phenomenal device but there are a few drawbacks, especially software bugs that are ruining the real life usage on some occasions.
Previously I used MI 6, which I still have, and it was probably the best android phone I ever owned, and I owned a lot of them. It was the reason I fell in love with Xiaomi for offering excellent devices at competitive prices, excellent hardware, frequent updates and dev support. Hell, even MI 5 is a joy to use these days due to phenomenal support.
After my experiences with Samsung/Huawei/Sony/Motorola etc. my conclusion is that only Xiaomi and Oneplus are devices worth the money, and not because of the cheaper price, but because of real life usage.
To get back on the subject, my MI 6 flies in comparison to Poco, it feels much snappier, touch sensitivity is much better, camera experience is similar. Poco's best feature for now, at least for me is the battery. I cannot kill this thing. I get 7 to 9h of SOT every time, and it's a real treat knowing I don't have to check battery level every time I leave the house for a longer period of time.
If Xiaomi fixes a few software bugs (and they will), this will be a real flagship, no matter of the price. Some things are not so visually pleasing, notch is too wide, screen corners are too round etc., but everything is working as it should, hopefully even better with future updates.
Some companies executed this "affordable flagship" category a little bit better, like Meizu. Take a look at their Meizu 16th (Snapdragon 845, 8gb RAM, notchless amoled display,premium build, etc) for almost the same price, but I wouldn't advise owning it, assuming support will not be so good.
My point is, even the cheapest "top spec" phones have competition, and first impression is the one that counts the most. People are picky, and small things matter. Xiaomi should benefit from these small complaints upon release od Poco f2.
Conclusion: If you need to upgrade go for the MI 8 since price difference is not so big anymore. Go for the Poco only if you need above average battery life.
Thank you

Touchscreen sucks. Laggy and inaccurate.

After two days of testing, I have to say the phone is really fast.
However, they could have set a bit different priorities as this is not an official "play" phone:
They could have used only 4gb ram and raised the price like 1%. In exchange they could have included optical image stabilization and nfc (nfc costs like 2$).
For me this two features would have been a great improvement. Also they should remove the strange 3 days waiting time to unlock the phone.
These are minor complaints and I think the phone was a good purchase.

Awesome