I recently purchased an S4 (switched from an iPhone 5) and am generally enjoying it. However, the phone feels a lot more sluggish than it should, given its substantial hardware. I rooted the phone and installed TWRP, and am mulling over custom ROMs now.
My question is regarding the removal of the resource hog known as TouchWiz. If I understand correctly, the only way to remove it (and see any real benefits) is to flash a non-TouchWiz kernel and then an AOSP ROM, yeah? If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate a little guidance on what needs to be done to restore a more "stock Android" feel.
Yeah flashing a rom will do it
But try nova launcher first
spectheintro said:
I recently purchased an S4 (switched from an iPhone 5) and am generally enjoying it. However, the phone feels a lot more sluggish than it should, given its substantial hardware. I rooted the phone and installed TWRP, and am mulling over custom ROMs now.
My question is regarding the removal of the resource hog known as TouchWiz. If I understand correctly, the only way to remove it (and see any real benefits) is to flash a non-TouchWiz kernel and then an AOSP ROM, yeah? If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate a little guidance on what needs to be done to restore a more "stock Android" feel.
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Try a custom kernel also. Most do see a smoother experience after switching. Otherwise just do a nandroid and flash some custom ones. Then can always revert back if needed.
I feel ya on this phone. I came from a 2 yr old galaxy s2 and this thing runs worse than it did. Wonder why this super spec phone is so glitchy. Time to flash rom should fix it.
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You have a bad phone if it's running slow
I don't want to bother with rooting so switching to Nova Launcher Prime made my S4 experience so much better.
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You have a bad phone if it's running slow
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I thought that. After 3 generations of samsungs, ive owned. I figured its part of them. So I rooted/debloated/greenified and its running great. Im very picky on how my computers/phones run. I cant stand lag, and will not have it. I was just let down that the out of box "Next Big thing" Had the same lags as the sgs1. Yes we on xda can fix it but what about the average consumer? Hell no. Or would the average consumer not notice?
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miketucky350 said:
I thought that. After 3 generations of samsungs, ive owned. I figured its part of them. So I rooted/debloated/greenified and its running great. Im very picky on how my computers/phones run. I cant stand lag, and will not have it. I was just let down that the out of box "Next Big thing" Had the same lags as the sgs1. Yes we on xda can fix it but what about the average consumer? Hell no. Or would the average consumer not notice?
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I would think the average consumer would notice. The lag is considerable out of the box however it seems to not be 100% of the devices. Some have reported smooth operation since day one. Mine was not smooth but very laggy. The MDL didn't get rid of it and Samsung really needs to get on the stick and should be embarrassed to release the device in that state. Obviously I fixed the lag but with the specs it should of been smooth as silk out of the box. Personally I don't think Touchwiz is the issue but lack of optimization of the features.
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SayWhat10 said:
You have a bad phone if it's running slow
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If it is fixable by flashing a custom kernel/rom or custom launcher (reported by some) than don't see how it can be a faulty phone. Not by way of hardware anyways.
Guys where is the lag? Are we talking just scrolling and stuff around on the honescreen? And just with TW launcher? Or in other places like running apps, browsing,etc
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Guys where is the lag? Are we talking just scrolling and stuff around on the honescreen? And just with TW launcher? Or in other places like running apps, browsing,etc
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For me it was not just with the TW launcher and swiping, opening apps, waking up from power button, etc all had delay.
CCallahan said:
For me it was not just with the TW launcher and swiping, opening apps, waking up from power button, etc all had delay.
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Ok well yeh that sounds like a bad phone.I say that because mine is stock and dont have that problem.this is the fastest phone ive ever had. And of course you shouldnt have to install a rom to get your phone "right",so thats another reason I say bad phone.it should fly right out the box,esp bone stock before you add app s. I have over 200 and it zooms
Lag was in and out of apps. Returning home. Scrolling through screens stock weather widget would take a few seconds to appear. All over felt quirky. After a lil tweaking it runs great
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miketucky350 said:
Lag was in and out of apps. Returning home. Scrolling through screens stock weather widget would take a few seconds to appear. All over felt quirky. After a lil tweaking it runs great
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glad to her all is great
curious, what tweaking did you do?
SayWhat10 said:
Ok well yeh that sounds like a bad phone.I say that because mine is stock and dont have that problem.this is the fastest phone ive ever had. And of course you shouldnt have to install a rom to get your phone "right",so thats another reason I say bad phone.it should fly right out the box,esp bone stock before you add app s. I have over 200 and it zooms
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That is why i specifically said "not bad hardware wise anyways" since many are fixing it by flashing custom.
I do see the point you are trying to make and not trying to create an argument so please don't think that. You are lucky to get a smooth running phone right out of the box. :good:
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glad to her all is great
curious, what tweaking did you do?
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For starters I disabled some features. Went into svoice and disabled double tap home button. to open svoice. That adds lag to returning to home as it waits a few ms waiting for 2nd tap. Rooted of course and debloated the rom did a lot. No swype! Its laggy on everything. Plus a few days gone by and kernel & everything just setteling in. I have not flashed kernel or messed with cpu. Speeding up animations I've always felt it makes phone really glitchy so I leave it at 1.
Edit greenify also. disabled few apps like The Score that runs always. Greenify is a must. It should come stock
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Hi
Before I start let me tell you that I just love this phone. It's amazing and super snappy.. Almost.
However the launcher redraws are so bad on this one.
Now this is my first Android cell, so I'm not sure if it's a Android issue or S3 issue.
Just a simple scenario. If I go to Play Store browse some apps, see few videos for say 5 mins max and hit the Home button, the launcher would redraw.
It easily takes about 5-6 seconds. Sometimes the home screen would appear in a second but If I hit the app drawer button, it would load for almost 4-5 embarrassing.
Now I know there are few solutions posted for it, but frankly I paid Samsung to do that for me. And to a noob like me, it's not very simple.
It's unbelievable how bad the problem is.
I think just locking it in the Memory, would solve the issue.
Why hasn't Samsung fixed it yet?
It's embarrassing that my old iTouch (I hate Apple btw.) could get out of heavy games within a second.
Why is this beast so laggy? Everyday I face this issue for 5-6 times.
It's driving me mad.
To be honest everytime I browse from more than 10 mins, I feel scared.
Will Sammy ever fix it or the only option is to go through the complex process posted in some other thread.
I'm seriously disappointed in this regard.
I'm on stock ICS, rooted btw.
/rant over.
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Root and update now, or wait and update later.
Understand your pain bro...
I used to get some hard core redraws until I froze a bunch of apps I didn't need.. boom now the max redraw I'd have would take like 1sec and that's always the wether widget.
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nobnut said:
Root and update now, or wait and update later.
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Update to what? The Jellybean leaks fix it?
eggman89 said:
Hi
Before I start let me tell you that I just love this phone. It's amazing and super snappy.. Almost.
However the launcher redraws are so bad on this one.
Now this is my first Android cell, so I'm not sure if it's a Android issue or S3 issue.
Just a simple scenario. If I go to Play Store browse some apps, see few videos for say 5 mins max and hit the Home button, the launcher would redraw.
It easily takes about 5-6 seconds. Sometimes the home screen would appear in a second but If I hit the app drawer button, it would load for almost 4-5 embarrassing.
Now I know there are few solutions posted for it, but frankly I paid Samsung to do that for me. And to a noob like me, it's not very simple.
It's unbelievable how bad the problem is.
I think just locking it in the Memory, would solve the issue.
Why hasn't Samsung fixed it yet?
It's embarrassing that my old iTouch (I hate Apple btw.) could get out of heavy games within a second.
Why is this beast so laggy? Everyday I face this issue for 5-6 times.
It's driving me mad.
To be honest everytime I browse from more than 10 mins, I feel scared.
Will Sammy ever fix it or the only option is to go through the complex process posted in some other thread.
I'm seriously disappointed in this regard.
I'm on stock ICS, rooted btw.
/rant over.
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I agree, seems odd to me that samsung didn't lock TW into memory. I'm using Apex and while the problem isn't fully gone, it's much better than it was. They should have done a better job with the stock launcher imo.
Fade777 said:
Understand your pain bro...
I used to get some hard core redraws until I froze a bunch of apps I didn't need.. boom now the max redraw I'd have would take like 1sec and that's always the wether widget.
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I've also disabled lots of sammy apps (not frozen them).
Can you tell the main culpits?
I haven't had a launcher redraw since 1974 (ok, slight exaggeration). I have always rooted (there are lots of fixes for redrawers) but yes, JB fixes it.
I also downloaded Ram Manager Pro, as it has a "lock launcher in memory" option.
WHile that might have helped ( or just placebo) , but the problem is still there and I'm facing it a lot of times.
eggman89 said:
I also downloaded Ram Manager Pro, as it has a "lock launcher in memory" option.
WHile that might have helped ( or just placebo) , but the problem is still there and I'm facing it a lot of times.
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Are you using a custom Rom or still on stock? How about kernel? If you are rooted you can use titanium backup to freeze a lot of apps which will free up available RAM reducing redraws.
Use all in one toolbox. Goto boot speed up and see what 3rd party crap app is taking up your resources on boot up.
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jlevy73 said:
Are you using a custom Rom or still on stock? How about kernel? If you are rooted you can use titanium backup to freeze a lot of apps which will free up available RAM reducing redraws.
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I'm rooted, but everything stock. And I intend to keep it that way.
Really don't want any other ROm or Kernal as I'm quite satisfied with the Stock ones.
I use Nova launcher btw.
hey,
try this settings》developer 》animation scale set to off.
aswells as transition scale off
hope This helps
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hey,
try this settings》developer 》animation scale set to off.
aswells as transition scale off
hope This helps
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Thanks for the suggestion. But I do not think it'll solve the issue.
Also I want all the bells and whistles. What's the point of this mighty hardware if I have to turn off the animations and fancy stuff.
I might just get a basic Android phone.
eggman89 said:
I'm rooted, but everything stock. And I intend to keep it that way.
Really don't want any other ROm or Kernal as I'm quite satisfied with the Stock ones.
I use Nova launcher btw.
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you don't sound happy with stock, maybe you should have a go at the latest LI5 jb leaks, the odin version seems to me to be the easiest way, takes about 5 mins literally.
Rumour has it that the official will be out sometime this week as an official update, but only on international roms i think.
I think if you want to update officially, you would need to flash via ODIN the international version of ICS which is Samsung official, and that will update when the time is right. if you are on a specific carrier version then they might take a while longer to push the updates to you! (at least that is what i am led to believe!)
By the way, i have never experienced any redraw problems from TW either on galaxy s2 or s3 using stock or custom roms. the JB roms are really smooth too.
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eggman89 said:
Thanks for the suggestion. But I do not think it'll solve the issue.
Also I want all the bells and whistles. What's the point of this mighty hardware if I have to turn off the animations and fancy stuff.
I might just get a basic Android phone.
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and there are more than bells and whistles on JB.......
Really glad I use sslauncher. No redraws on it.
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So... are people now saying jb DOES fix the redraw completely?
My understanding (from all the comments I read on each new leak) was that it HASN'T been fixed.
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Latest leaked JellyBean ROMs give 100 MB more available RAM, which is desperately needed on this phone. Should ease your redraw problems. Try it out.
eggman89 said:
Hi
Before I start let me tell you that I just love this phone. It's amazing and super snappy.. Almost.
However the launcher redraws are so bad on this one.
Now this is my first Android cell, so I'm not sure if it's a Android issue or S3 issue.
Just a simple scenario. If I go to Play Store browse some apps, see few videos for say 5 mins max and hit the Home button, the launcher would redraw.
It easily takes about 5-6 seconds. Sometimes the home screen would appear in a second but If I hit the app drawer button, it would load for almost 4-5 embarrassing.
Now I know there are few solutions posted for it, but frankly I paid Samsung to do that for me. And to a noob like me, it's not very simple.
It's unbelievable how bad the problem is.
I think just locking it in the Memory, would solve the issue.
Why hasn't Samsung fixed it yet?
It's embarrassing that my old iTouch (I hate Apple btw.) could get out of heavy games within a second.
Why is this beast so laggy? Everyday I face this issue for 5-6 times.
It's driving me mad.
To be honest everytime I browse from more than 10 mins, I feel scared.
Will Sammy ever fix it or the only option is to go through the complex process posted in some other thread.
I'm seriously disappointed in this regard.
I'm on stock ICS, rooted btw.
/rant over.
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Wait just a little longer. Jelly bean doesn't have this issue.
Sent from an electronic device.
I wish redraws were the worst problem - browser quitting on me is a bloody nightmare...
Not sure why you people have all of these problems? maybe its an app you have installed or something? I dont get any 5 second redraws or browser crashing.
I am really surprised at how amazing jelly bean really is on the s3, with ics it was fast and smooth already but now it blazes.
it is faster and smoother than my iphone 4s on ios6 and my wp7.5 hd7 of old which now belongs to my brothwe. it equals in smoothness that of my iPad 3 and in many ways is faster add depending on the app it generally opens them faster.
it is s real winner. battery life could be better but I'm more than happy at the moment and it was well worth the wait!
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I am really surprised at how amazing jelly bean really is on the s3, with ics it was fast and smooth already but now it blazes.
it is faster and smoother than my iphone 4s on ios6 and my wp7.5 hd7 of old which now belongs to my brothwe. it equals in smoothness that of my iPad 3 and in many ways is faster add depending on the app it generally opens them faster.
it is s real winner. battery life could be better but I'm more than happy at the moment and it was well worth the wait!
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The official version is indeed better than the leaks we got earlier, and gives me hope that the later versions are going to be even better, not to mention 4.1.2 and 4.2.
dodgebizkit said:
I am really surprised at how amazing jelly bean really is on the s3, with ics it was fast and smooth already but now it blazes.
it is faster and smoother than my iphone 4s on ios6 and my wp7.5 hd7 of old which now belongs to my brothwe. it equals in smoothness that of my iPad 3 and in many ways is faster add depending on the app it generally opens them faster.
it is s real winner. battery life could be better but I'm more than happy at the moment and it was well worth the wait!
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Errrr... No, it's not great. If you knew more about the phone you would know it's not as great as on the galaxy nexus. It's easy worst.
Sensamic said:
Errrr... No, it's not great. If you knew more about the phone you would know it's not as great as on the galaxy nexus. It's easy worst.
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I have both. I think that the SGS3 was already faster on ICS than the gnexus on JB. The gnexus is slower to load apps and lag a lot on places like the widgets menu.
I can only recommend Paranoid Android on the S3, I'm simply amazed by this ROM...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1745003
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Errrr... No, it's not great. If you knew more about the phone you would know it's not as great as on the galaxy nexus. It's easy worst.
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That's your opinion. I've tried both, and the S3 is faster, and better imo.
Certainly on AOSP it is without a doubt, ill always choose AOSP first and foremost now there can be no going back to Sammy ROM's only as a secondary ROM, i can live without FM Radio (i always use Tune in Radio PRO anyway much better highly recommended app) and other small things you don't get IN AOSP the good far outweighs the bad.
I have to agree Project Butter is a lot better than in the leaks, but there is optimization to do, like the widgets draw, which still lags until it is fully pulled into memory.
I can't wait to see what the updates have to offer.
And would u mind telling us how u managed with the freaky lag we get when we try to open phone dialer after it being closed 4 a while? Why do they call it a phone when the thng it does the worst is opening the phone app!
Just be thankful you don't have the WiFi issue that it gave me.
Beforehand, no problem connecting to the WiFi.
Now, I have had to disabled "power saving mode" in the menu *#0011#, because whereas previously on ICS, it would connect if the WiFi got dropped (say, it went to sleep, or I disabled it), unless I do this, if it gets dropped, it would not reconnect until I reset the phone.
Very, very annoying.
I've raised the Issue with Samsung.
And it's not just me with the issue.
supernexus build 5 is a winner
russeini said:
And would u mind telling us how u managed with the freaky lag we get when we try to open phone dialer after it being closed 4 a while? Why do they call it a phone when the thng it does the worst is opening the phone app!
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while on ics i used ex dialer, on JB it still loads slowish but it takes 1 sec rather than 4 for me and im fine with that so i stopped using ex dialer for now.
I prefer AOSP rom too but you will miss a lot of s3 features. That's the reason I stick to stock.
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hero000 said:
I prefer AOSP rom too but you will miss a lot of s3 features. That's the reason I stick to stock.
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I completely agree i owned various devices and always used Asop or akop. But on this phone, if you use asop or akop you miss the features on the phone. So i tend to stick to stock all the time simply because i need most of the features.
hero000 said:
I prefer AOSP rom too but you will miss a lot of s3 features. That's the reason I stick to stock.
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I always switch between Sammy and AOSP for this reason but now with dual-boot I have the best of both world.
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oliseo said:
Just be thankful you don't have the WiFi issue that it gave me.
Beforehand, no problem connecting to the WiFi.
Now, I have had to disabled "power saving mode" in the menu *#0011#, because whereas previously on ICS, it would connect if the WiFi got dropped (say, it went to sleep, or I disabled it), unless I do this, if it gets dropped, it would not reconnect until I reset the phone.
Very, very annoying.
I've raised the Issue with Samsung.
And it's not just me with the issue.
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No need to go to Samsung, you are on XDA. All the experts are here. I'm not an expert but I would say to just flash another ROM or Modem.
Sensamic said:
Errrr... No, it's not great. If you knew more about the phone you would know it's not as great as on the galaxy nexus. It's easy worst.
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He he he silly dual-core
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Sensamic said:
Errrr... No, it's not great. If you knew more about the phone you would know it's not as great as on the galaxy nexus. It's easy worst.
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I don't agree I think it's on par at the least...
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Wow! Google should have never brought project butter up in the first place. Now we have some weirdos having a weird placebo effect thinking that the GS3 firmware does not incorporate PB when it would be absolutely retarded and more difficult for Samsung to take it out of the source code and add in half butter. That is like the most hilarious thing I have ever heard. No developer would rewrite PB to operate at half.
There is a possibility that touchwiz animations do not look as smooth as AOSP animations to some eyes but I highly HIGHLY doubt it that they would change the genetic code. lol
People need to stop tripping or otherwise Google is not going to even bring up any transition improvements to prevent this crap from happening to their OEMs that use Android skins.
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And your post seems like one from a fanboy who tries to hide the reality.
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I had a feeling your posts were going this way. Project butter does work on the device but its other 'bugs' that hinder its operation and perception
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I had a feeling your posts were going this way. Project butter does work on the device but its other 'bugs' that hinder its operation and perception
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Will I still get all the goodies like 60 fps and other stuff on nova launcher instead of touchwiz?
The stock messaging app seems to be laggy as all hell. Typing is sometimes painfully slow or just not responsive. Samsung told me to reset the cache but that didn't do anything.
Is there a message limit that hurts it? Is there something else that could potentially be causing this? Or is this just a problem with Touchwiz messaging app itself?
mrozowjj said:
The stock messaging app seems to be laggy as all hell. Typing is sometimes painfully slow or just not responsive. Samsung told me to reset the cache but that didn't do anything.
Is there a message limit that hurts it? Is there something else that could potentially be causing this? Or is this just a problem with Touchwiz messaging app itself?
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Honestly its terribly laggy. I had to resort purchasing an app. Enhanced Email and Touchdown work well if you need MS Exchange Support.
MS Exhcange Support isn't a big deal for me but thank you for the suggestion.
The gallery app has been giving me fits today too. I mean what's the point if making this super advanced phone if I have to reboot it more than I do my Windows machine.
Earthdog said:
Honestly its terribly laggy. I had to resort purchasing an app. Enhanced Email and Touchdown work well if you need MS Exchange Support.
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I think he meant SMS while you are talking about Email.
This phone's screen is beautiful but the laggy performance is really bad. The SMS app is horrible.
I am terribly disappointed in this phone. The more I use it the more annoyed I get. I might just return it tomorrow and get another iPhone cause I can't stand the Lag anymore. Especially in a phone as speced out as this.
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I can't decide if I should be relieved that it's not just me or concerned that there really isn't a good solution for this yet.
mrozowjj said:
I can't decide if I should be relieved that it's not just me or concerned that there really isn't a good solution for this yet.
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Concern Samsung and Android devices have a bad habit of not updating their devices and leaving their customers stranded. They pop out new model phones very frequently and once that happens they forget about older models and could care less about our problems.
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I realize that which is part of the reason I got the S4, my S2 was no longer supported on here and battery was running dead all the damn time.
All this **** is enough to make me want to get an iPhone.
I to hated the laggy messaging. Even with 3rd party apps like SMS PRo and such it was still laggy and buggy.
Flashed CM10.1. AOSP stock Messaging app on CM10.1 is MUCH MUCH MUCH more responsive. I had the same frustrations coming from a iPhone 4S (Had 3G, 4, 4S prior for years).
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I realize that which is part of the reason I got the S4, my S2 was no longer supported on here and battery was running dead all the damn time.
All this **** is enough to make me want to get an iPhone.
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I really don't understand. Samsung must realize that they are first and foremost manufacturing a phone. That's supposed to be used for calling and texting. They needed to pay 100 percent attention to these primary functions and make sure that they all worked properly. Instead of putting useless gestures and infrared they needed to insure the phone send and received texts properly. Major ball drop by samsung here. Very disappointed.
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thdaddy34 said:
I really don't understand. Samsung must realize that they are first and foremost manufacturing a phone. That's supposed to be used for calling and texting. They needed to pay 100 percent attention to these primary functions and make sure that they all worked properly. Instead of putting useless gestures and infrared they needed to insure the phone send and received texts properly. Major ball drop by samsung here. Very disappointed.
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Agreed. This is why I have never used a Samsung device in the past and have stuck with iPhones since iPhone 3G before Android was even out there. Got tired of the small screen, wanted larger screen and higher resolution so jumped ****.
Really, try CM10.1. Its so much better without Samsung's bloatware. It's a whole different phone with it.
I also returned my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" because of its laggyness last year until I tried CM9/CM10/CM10.1 on it. Totally made me think diferently. Also got me into the world of CM and flashing stuff so I knew what I was doing for my S4.
WoodburyMan said:
Agreed. This is why I have never used a Samsung device in the past and have stuck with iPhones since iPhone 3G before Android was even out there. Got tired of the small screen, wanted larger screen and higher resolution so jumped ****.
Really, try CM10.1. Its so much better without Samsung's bloatware. It's a whole different phone with it.
I also returned my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" because of its laggyness last year until I tried CM9/CM10/CM10.1 on it. Totally made me think diferently. Also got me into the world of CM and flashing stuff so I knew what I was doing for my S4.
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Some people like the touchwiz features though
WoodburyMan said:
Agreed. This is why I have never used a Samsung device in the past and have stuck with iPhones since iPhone 3G before Android was even out there. Got tired of the small screen, wanted larger screen and higher resolution so jumped ****.
Really, try CM10.1. Its so much better without Samsung's bloatware. It's a whole different phone with it.
I also returned my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" because of its laggyness last year until I tried CM9/CM10/CM10.1 on it. Totally made me think diferently. Also got me into the world of CM and flashing stuff so I knew what I was doing for my S4.
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My first android phone was an HTC Aria/Liberty and I put CM7 on it so I'm sort of familiar with the process and if it comes down to it and this lagginess continues I'll install CM10.1 on the S4. I didn't realize they had a stable build for the S4 yet though.
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Some people like the touchwiz features though
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I'm honestly not sure I like any of the features that much. I want the damn phone to function first and foremost. What good is having a shiny new car if it doesn't tires too you know?
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Some people like the touchwiz features though
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True. It's a lot to give up. However I've had a iPhone for years. So any features I lost i never knew I had to begin with.
Has anyone tried using a different messaging app instead? Does that help at all or is the Touchwiz lag carried over to it as well?
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Has anyone tried using a different messaging app instead? Does that help at all or is the Touchwiz lag carried over to it as well?
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gosmspro lags less, but with s-voice disabled/frozen and touchwizUI frozen (as well as other google services i dont use) on stock kernel/rom phone is lightning quick. i even have it severely underclocked most of the time with setCPU (486-1132 screen on, 386-386 with screen off). no issues in any app, even tried some 3d games to test performance with CPU limited to 1.1Ghz. no difference.
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gosmspro lags less, but with s-voice disabled/frozen and touchwizUI frozen (as well as other google services i dont use) on stock kernel/rom phone is lightning quick. i even have it severely underclocked most of the time with setCPU (486-1132 screen on, 386-386 with screen off). no issues in any app, even tried some 3d games to test performance with CPU limited to 1.1Ghz. no difference.
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Just did this except with Nova. Never thought to freeze S Voice and TouchWiz Home. Thank you. Talk about super snappy phone.
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CAG-man said:
Just did this except with Nova. Never thought to freeze S Voice and TouchWiz Home. Thank you. Talk about super snappy phone.
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so how do I go about freezing those parts of my phone?
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so how do I go about freezing those parts of my phone?
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freeze in titanium backup or disable in application settings under the all tab. "touchwiz home" and "s voice"
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Okay, so I'm looking for a little input here because I am torn. I was an avid flasher and supporter of the AOSP ROMs until I got this phone. I used CM and PA and a few others just to see what I liked but none of them offered quite the features and stability of pure stock but this is where I am really struggling.
For the longest time this phone was super fast. It did what I wanted it to do when I wanted it to do it. I'm not much for the keyboard so I installed swype and that seems to be where my problems began. Since day 1 the messaging app was always a disappointment. It would lag, not open fast or when it did open in a message i would have to close it to get to the messages list. When I added swype to the mix it just sucked. The touch responsiveness was late and slow, a lot of times the keyboard would freeze up and i wouldn't be able to do anything for a minute until it would unfreeze. I just don't see why it's doing this because it has 2 gb of ram and a beast processor.
Anything you guys could add to help? I love the phone but it's getting to be about as slow to use as the Droid Eris
Pretty sure this thread is supposed to be in the Q&A section. Don't be surprised to see it closed. Regarding your issue, to say your G2 is as slow as the Eris is a bit of a stretch. I don't doubt you're experiencing some lag, but saying it's as slow as a phone with 288MB RAM and clocked at 528 MHz is a little ridiculous.
You say you encountered these problems after installing Swype. Perhaps get rid of that keyboard. I personally use the stock Google keyboard as it can be downloaded from the Play Store.
And seeing as you're rooted, perhaps look through the development section for your particular variant to see if there are any optimized stock-based ROMs that might help speed things up.
Flex rom + g.lewarne kernel.
More feature and faster
What stock features? IR Blaster and Camera are available. Knock wake works.
I only used stock about 24 hours, but I didn't see much else compelling.. Quick Slide? Ugh. Quick Apps or whatever? Useless. Navbar customization? CM or AOKP can do that, etc.
If u have lag on stock, use a task killer to clear RAM when screen is turned off... Also root and use the fstrim app to TRIM your G2.... Mine never lags after this...
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its pretty much android that is lagging. not much you can do about it.
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If u have lag on stock, use a task killer to clear RAM when screen is turned off... Also root and use the fstrim app to TRIM your G2.... Mine never lags after this...
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I feel as though I shouldn't have to clear ram considering there is 2GB of it.
And even though there is that much ram shouldn't android manage that in the background.
I do realize that TRIM isn't implemented in android until 4.3 but still...
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What stock features? IR Blaster and Camera are available. Knock wake works.
I only used stock about 24 hours, but I didn't see much else compelling.. Quick Slide? Ugh. Quick Apps or whatever? Useless. Navbar customization? CM or AOKP can do that, etc.
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It's more or less the camera that I really want. The aosp one is so minimalistic and lacking features but all of the ported lg cameras have features that don't work or are baked out of it to make it work. I also really enjoy knowing my phone can work 100% of the time without SOD's and no GPS (I do a lot of traveling in my free time). I need to know that if I am stranded in a town I don't know of I can pull out my G2 and call someone without any feedback or echoes and no drops in data
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It's more or less the camera that I really want. The aosp one is so minimalistic and lacking features but all of the ported lg cameras have features that don't work or are baked out of it to make it work. I also really enjoy knowing my phone can work 100% of the time without SOD's and no GPS (I do a lot of traveling in my free time). I need to know that if I am stranded in a town I don't know of I can pull out my G2 and call someone without any feedback or echoes and no drops in data
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So the one feature you want, stock camera, works fine in other ROMs. I believe there is a few things disabled in it but not much. Here's the list from the stock camera thread:
No Object Tracking. You know that thing where a grid of little boxes shows up on the screen and one of them will turn green as the camera focuses? That's missing.
No Audio Zoom. It's still enabled in the UI, but I've patched out all the methods relating to it, as they caused crashes.
No transparent navigation bar.
No rotating navigation buttons.
Performance tuning - it's possible that this will run slower than it would on an LG ROM. The LG rom includes a class called
(Not on the list on the thread) - Front-facing camera may or may not work
So yeah, object tracking is really the only functional change. Autofocus works fine, just not the little green boxes. Whatever the difference is. And avoid using the front camera.
AOSP camera is minimalistic, but what features are missing? Do you really need 10 scene modes? No. Let's be realistic, the AOSP camera isn't doing well with low light or close-up flash (blows the photo) so there are problems but overall it works okay. And the ported stock camera works fine except for one minor feature.
GPS works, no call echos, no drops, no SODs etc.. I have had none of these issues on AOKP. GPS there are libraries missing from the AOKP build, but the files to flash are right in the OP. Stock camera, Quick Remote, etc all works fine too. I can't speak for any other ROMs. Rohan32's AOKP 4.3 is the ROM I'm using.
Uninstall Swype (I and other people I know have lag issues with it eventually), use the Google keyboard. Use Nova Launcher (Nova Prime would be ideal) set animations there for very fast or off, install Screen off and Lock for Knock off feature and set it with the Double tap gesture in Nova. Install LagFix for TRIM and run it. Go to developer options and turn off all animations. Hope this helps.
Xenovias said:
Flex rom + g.lewarne kernel.
More feature and faster
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use this rom with the custom g2 kernel and its fast fluid and flawless as far as I can tell
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If u have lag on stock, use a task killer to clear RAM when screen is turned off... Also root and use the fstrim app to TRIM your G2.... Mine never lags after this...
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Thanks. I don't have mine rooted because I want to keep stock full stock. But what I have found is that clearing the ram after shutting off the screen actually helps a lot. I have had much less lag since I did that.
Something funny happened today. I went into texts and set the auto delete to after 1000 texts. Talk about the problems that followed. My phone was completely worthless. Even after closing the app and then restarting the phone. I have over 5k texts in one conversation between my girlfriend and I so I thought that might be making the stock messaging app run slow. But the auto delete didn't work at all. After spending about 3 hours trying to get back into the app I had to turn it off before I could do anything...
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Thanks. I don't have mine rooted because I want to keep stock full stock. But what I have found is that clearing the ram after shutting off the screen actually helps a lot. I have had much less lag since I did that.
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if you root you don't actually lose any features you just "unlock" the phone to get extras. the only time you can lose features is when you flash a custom rom. even if you flash a kernel you don't lose anything.
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if you root you don't actually lose any features you just "unlock" the phone to get extras. the only time you can lose features is when you flash a custom rom. even if you flash a kernel you don't lose anything.
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Oh believe me I am fully aware of what rooting and flashing Roms and kernels does to my phone. I've been an avid android user for a while. I have been flashing since the eris but on this phone I always end up back at stock but I always lose info when I revert back to stock. I don't want to flash anymore. I just want my flagship phone to work like it was worth my money
Changing to row and interactive got rid of the very tiny bit of stutter I had once and a while. The "lag" is really just the the CPU waiting on the system to tell it to clock up. Stock profiles are too slow.
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Oh believe me I am fully aware of what rooting and flashing Roms and kernels does to my phone. I've been an avid android user for a while. I have been flashing since the eris but on this phone I always end up back at stock but I always lose info when I revert back to stock. I don't want to flash anymore. I just want my flagship phone to work like it was worth my money
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yea man I totally understand with the tmo verison I just rooted to rid myself of the bloat on the phone and it works beautifully.
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its pretty much android that is lagging. not much you can do about it.
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That's not true at all.
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yea man I totally understand with the tmo verison I just rooted to rid myself of the bloat on the phone and it works beautifully.
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My only issue is that I took the ota for Verizon and that broke root and I haven't found a successful exploit yet.
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My only issue is that I took the ota for Verizon and that broke root and I haven't found a successful exploit yet.
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yeah that sucks I broke my root but managed to down grade thro odin that sucked and was hard as hell
I don't have a good first impression of my S6.
The stock rom eats 8G of the internal storage.
It has a terrible lag, and jitters all over the place. Even just scrolling up and down in the settings screen is laggy. The lag in Chrome gets very frustrating very quickly
Too much bloatware. A whole microsoft suite (among other things) that I will never use and cannot uninstall
Touchwiz launcher, its not really great
On the plus side
the finger scanner is good.
The screen is really nice, but I suppose rendering all those pixels is whats causing it to lag like crazy.
Pleased that samsung made a theme chooser. At last we can remove the awful default turquoise colours.
But I immediately know I'm going to have to root and put a custom rom on here to get it working to my satisfaction .... is there any ROM recommendations to remove all lags, stutters and bloatware?
Is it just me? I am surprised I don't see a ton of people complaining about this
Im on xtrestolite deo mod and have no of the problem i had with stock u could always get titanium backup and freeze all that bloat might help. I know that when i ran stock it would often run out of ram. Now i have betwewn 1 and 1.4gb free.
Wait for the Marshmallow update and judge it again then. Samsung redesigned the whole TouchWiz thing launcher, icons, performance everything. From what I read from the beta is really promising and fast.
Never saw any lag, stock or otherwise. I did occasionally have some low ram redraws on stock, but on roms those are long gone. Maybe take a look in your application manager at what's running and see if there's any unnecessary junk running that's eating your ram. Did it start or persist from any old software, or show up from new software ie updates?
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Never saw any lag, stock or otherwise. I did occasionally have some low ram redraws on stock, but on roms those are long gone. Maybe take a look in your application manager at what's running and see if there's any unnecessary junk running that's eating your ram. Did it start or persist from any old software, or show up from new software ie updates?
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Me too, no lag at all, with stock BUT... if you run MM BETA and then go back to 5.1.1 you will see a very "slow device"
This phone does lag like hell, I had one about 7 months a go and that wasn't too bad.
Picked one up last week and the difference is shocking now, have tried different launchers and no difference.
Makes me laugh how Samsung can't seem to make a phone that is smooth. I have even swapped this out for another one.
All this guff about no more lag in the press conference.
Never had any issues even before I rooted and put a stock modified rom, only thing I would have liked better is battery life, but I get a days use out of it atleast
No offense, but anyone saying the S6 doesn't lag or stutter must either not know what we're talking about or have low fps eyes ?. This phone is an absolute lagfest on stock firmware.
Try scrolling in Google+ or even Tapatalk and you'll see dropped frames all over the place.
Just about the only thing that helps is flashing a custom kernel and enabling enforced mode (try Unikernel for size). That makes a world of difference.
yes I have the s6 since 4 months now. before I had a oneplus one. this was fast. but the s6 is very Laggy. however it has the best benchmarks but the Ui it's definitely Laggy on every edge. so I had a lot of other devices before. for me the most qualcom devices are running smoother. but there are some other positive aspects on the s6
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I don't have a good first impression of my S6.
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It has a terrible lag, and jitters all over the place. Even just scrolling up and down in the settings screen is laggy. The lag in Chrome gets very frustrating very quickly
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Lag?? U sure, mate? I'm using the S6 for more than a few months now and there is no lag in the UI. Maybe some minor frame drops occasionally (I'm sensitive to those , most people don't notice them), but no lag. It's not normal.
Mine is stock with some native apps disabled. Also I jave turned off the smart manager protection. And I can compare it with Nexus 5. I'v had many Android devices and I know what I'm talking about.
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I don't have a good first impression of my S6.
The stock rom eats 8G of the internal storage.
It has a terrible lag, and jitters all over the place. Even just scrolling up and down in the settings screen is laggy. The lag in Chrome gets very frustrating very quickly
Too much bloatware. A whole microsoft suite (among other things) that I will never use and cannot uninstall
Touchwiz launcher, its not really great
On the plus side
the finger scanner is good.
The screen is really nice, but I suppose rendering all those pixels is whats causing it to lag like crazy.
Pleased that samsung made a theme chooser. At last we can remove the awful default turquoise colours.
But I immediately know I'm going to have to root and put a custom rom on here to get it working to my satisfaction .... is there any ROM recommendations to remove all lags, stutters and bloatware?
Is it just me? I am surprised I don't see a ton of people complaining about this
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buy another phone. it's that simple.
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Lag?? U sure, mate? I'm using the S6 for more than a few months now and there is no lag in the UI. Maybe some minor frame drops occasionally (I'm sensitive to those , most people don't notice them), but no lag. It's not normal.
Mine is stock with some native apps disabled. Also I jave turned off the smart manager protection. And I can compare it with Nexus 5. I'v had many Android devices and I know what I'm talking about.
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I've also owned countless Android devices (including Nexus). Most recently I came from an OPO and a Z3C before the S6. GUI lag/stutter is a pet peeve of mine with Android, and while the OPO was almost perfect after some optimization and the Z3C turned out OK, the S6 is frankly a joke in comparison. Especially considering its theoretically superior performance.
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buy another phone. it's that simple.
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Do you always give up so easily?
I think I'll try the Samsung marshmallow firmware, cheers for the tip @Riardon ... if its just the same I'll try some custom roms.
I'm kinda glad others confirm the lag/stuttering and its not just me.
For comparison, the phone I am replacing is a S5 running Exodus rom, there is absolutely zero lag or frames dropped in any scrolling or animations. It really makes the S6 look bad. Not what I expected as the S5 is like 18 months old now.
Here is a quick video I made for the non-believers out there. S6 is on the left. It doesn't matter that the video is not in focus (because of my finger getting in the way), the point I am trying to make is scrolling should be smooth on a new, expensive Android phone, I am astonished at how bad it is on the S6. Other places in the phone are also bad, Chrome is the worst though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKos5oFPyo
Keep in mind, however, if you do root you will most likely trip the knox counter on your device. This could cause some problems with warranty, and you would not be able to use Samsung pay on the device. If these things don't matter to you. Rooting is okay.
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Here is a quick video I made for the non-believers out there. S6 is on the left. It doesn't matter that the video is not in focus (because of my finger getting in the way), the point I am trying to make is scrolling should be smooth on a new, expensive Android phone, I am astonished at how bad it is on the S6. Other places in the phone are also bad, Chrome is the worst though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKos5oFPyo
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Can't access your video for some reason...
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Keep in mind, however, if you do root you will most likely trip the knox counter on your device. This could cause some problems with warranty, and you would not be able to use Samsung pay on the device. If these things don't matter to you. Rooting is okay.
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Rooting/flashing ROMs/kernels can be done without tripping knox by using the engineering bootloader. You'll find great tutorials here on xda.
My S6 has never lagged, not even on stock. I found it to be smooth in generally and I am someone who looks at framedrops and any other possible slowdowns.
Also guys don't forget to check your apps. It may sound weird but some well known apps causing some extra lag on top of what TouchWiz has. For example I found out that SwiftKey on my devices creates some extra lag and it's slower than other keyboards. Some apps are just not optimized well and this the reason some guys see worse lags and stutters than others. This one is tricky to determine those apps but you have to experiment. TouchWiz as it is now yes it's laggy but not worse than older TouchWin on S5 for example. Still needs work but Marshmallow is promising. Wait until then guys you may surprised pleasantly. Unfortunately some apps on Android running like sh***t and we blame the phone sometimes. And remember to always keep your phone at minimal. Disable all extra stuff you don't use and use only the apps you actually use often or truly need. This is for all phones not only for this one.
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Can't access your video for some reason...
Rooting/flashing ROMs/kernels can be done without tripping knox by using the engineering bootloader. You'll find great tutorials here on xda.
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If I understand correctly using the engineering bootloader results in the loss of use of the fingerprint scanner.
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If I understand correctly using the engineering bootloader results in the loss of use of the fingerprint scanner.
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Correct. So worth it imho though.