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Hey guys, I recently got the HTC one x and many of you might be aware or the hardware issues and threads showing what to check when you receive delivery.
Any suggestions from guys who ready have the tablet or experience with Asus devices on what to look out before rooting and customizing just to realize we Have hardware fault...
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What I've read so far include
>Screen ghosting
>Dead pixels
>Screen flicker on low brightness
However your mileage, will of course vary. You will get more accurate results once production models start hitting consumers.
It occasionally kicks puppies.
Big_Den said:
What I've read so far include
>Screen ghosting
>Dead pixels
>Screen flicker on low brightness
However your mileage, will of course vary. You will get more accurate results once production models start hitting consumers.
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It was stated in a review a couple days ago (I'm not going to look up which one) that with more use, the screen ghosting issue goes away quicker and becomes unnoticed. The issue is mainly with the screen just needing to warm up after being powered off for a while or in most cases being the first time powered on.
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Asus have also said they've not been able to replicate the ghosting on production units.
Flickering has been pretty common with tegra 3 devices but tends to be fixed via software updates.
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I sure hope that those ghosting issues don't get worse over time. Or even better, may be Asus isn't talking out their a** and they've fixed the production units
Okay I've been contemplating getting a nexus 4 and yesterday I tried one out for the first time. Immediately I noticed terrible ghosting. How are you guys dealing with that. Total deal breaker for me. Was really excited about this phone. Can't believe lg pulled that kinda crap:banghead:
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Ghosting? Defo not something I've come across so far after 2 days of use and something I've never seen mentioned on here until now.
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There is no ghosting
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What do you mean by ghosting? Your def might be different from others.
Yes what is ghosting? I've had my nexus for a week and it is the best device I've owned. Only flaw is it's fragility
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I swear, once people know TOO much about things, they start finding even the LITTLE faults.
Ghosting happens if an LCD has 5ms refresh rate or higher. So far I've seen that on 2 different devices and it's there. I even found out her ppl in reviews citing this problem
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Ghosting happens if an LCD has 5ms refresh rate or higher. So far I've seen that on 2 different devices and it's there. I even found out her ppl in reviews citing this problem
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Still not helping your cause, man.
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Ghosting happens if an LCD has 5ms refresh rate or higher. So far I've seen that on 2 different devices and it's there. I even found out her ppl in reviews citing this problem
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Maybe I'm just mathematically retarded today, but wouldn't a 5ms refresh rate == 200 Hz ?! What's unacceptable about that?
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I swear, once people know TOO much about things, they start finding even the LITTLE faults.
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Im gonna go with this and/or the phone you looked at actually had the issue......maybe......probably not................................NO
No ghosts here except the one that knocked my nexus out of my hand and dented my plastic chrome bezel
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Just tested one at the local t mo. I guess you get used to it after a while but I still don't like the display. I meant its not bad by my HTC is better to me at least.
Really bummed about that. I was really looking forward to getting a nexus... Even my cm10.1 is better than vanilla android. Too bad maybe next nexus they make will be right for me.
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The only time I've ever seen this is with my razr that has an oled display. A quick transition between whites and blacks would create that issue. In terms of lcd, it is a standard 60hz screen like most desktop monitors.
I don't think there are any ips panels that can support 120hz so this is probably as good as it gets. What you're noticing is probably visual lag of some sort.
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Yet another case of someone being picky to an absolutely RIDICULOUS level. And yes, that needs to be in all caps.
I think I'm going to RMA my phone, it makes this weird clicking noise whenever I push the buttons on the left side, but its not the same click as the button on the right side makes.
KossKnowsKarate said:
Ghosting happens if an LCD has 5ms refresh rate or higher. So far I've seen that on 2 different devices and it's there. I even found out her ppl in reviews citing this problem
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Yep, I noticed that since the first day I've had my device. 4.2.2 definitely takes care of that problem for me since they did a bunch of changes in the video driver.
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Yep, I noticed that since the first day I've had my device. 4.2.2 definitely takes care of that problem for me since they did a bunch of changes in the video driver.
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Bah 4.2.2 does not fix that. Its a hardware issue, software can't remedy that. I also noticed that pure android on that phone lack some quality if life feature compared to cm10.1. Surprisingly enough... Oh well I'll wait for the next nexus device I guess.
I love everything else about the phone tho and at that price its still a steal. Form factor us great
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Bah 4.2.2 does not fix that. Its a hardware issue, software can't remedy that. I also noticed that pure android on that phone lack some quality if life feature compared to cm10.1. Surprisingly enough... Oh well I'll wait for the next nexus device I guess.
I love everything else about the phone tho and at that price its still a steal. Form factor us great
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Good job telling a top kernel Dev that he's wrong and knows nothing about these devices
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Okay I've been contemplating getting a nexus 4 and yesterday I tried one out for the first time. Immediately I noticed terrible ghosting. How are you guys dealing with that. Total deal breaker for me. Was really excited about this phone. Can't believe lg pulled that kinda crap:banghead:
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You must have special eyes like the guys from phandroid
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You're right, ghosting on that panel is pretty bad. LG did a pretty bad job with it, overdrive+proper calibration would have made the screen noticeably better. Coming from an amoled panel (which have about 0.1ms response time) the difference is staggering.
A lot of people don't notice it, just like a lot of people don't notice the difference between colors in TN and IPS panels, 128kbps mp3 and CDs or 40 and 80 fps in games. It's a matter of being used AND sensitive to the better quality.
Franco is right when he says that 4.2.2 brought lots of improvements to fluidity, but ghosting hasn't really changed, it's due to the pixels' response time and that hasn't changed. You're wrong saying that software cannot fix it tho, because huge mitigation could come from a software lcd overdrive implementation, which is probably not going to happen anyway: it needs to be implemented at driver level, afaik nobody on linux has done it yet (just ATI and maybe nvidia on their latest windows drivers).
But hey, that's far from being a deal breaker, it's A PHONE. First of all, you get used to it; second, it doesn't really matter all that much.
16gb max, no sdcard and otg support can be a deal breaker. But LCD ghosting? Get outta here.
Touch screen isn't all that sensitive. I've seen various threads talking about it but none since like december. Have you guys got used to it or do you reckon they'll ever fix it? I can pretty much touch everywhere on the screen lightly without getting a single response. I've never had a touchscreen device like it! If that could be sorted it would be the best phone going. the average prs rating I was getting was between 0.4 - 0.5
If you're talking about pinch to zoom, I read from LG that it was designed that way. The first 1cm movement is not counted, in order to prevent you from accidentally pinching the screen.
Well tbh i got used to it, I guess pressing just alittle bit harder won't make you sweat?
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If you're talking about pinch to zoom, I read from LG that it was designed that way. The first 1cm movement is not counted, in order to prevent you from accidentally pinching the screen.
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No, I'm talking about the overall sensitivity of the phone. I find it odd having to consciously think about how hard I have to press the screen.
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No, I'm talking about the overall sensitivity of the phone. I find it odd having to consciously think about how hard I have to press the screen.
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Hmm I haven't noticed..
Maybe I press my screen harder than others
Mine is plenty sensitive. I can tell no difference between the Nexus and the other 2 billion phones I've owned.
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Maybe your phone is defective? I'm trying really hard to barely touch the screen to see what you're talking about, but it registers the touch every time.
So I'm assuming it's a defective device.
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No, I'm talking about the overall sensitivity of the phone. I find it odd having to consciously think about how hard I have to press the screen.
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sounds like a problem specific to your phone. The nexus 4 is more responsive than my galaxy nexus or gs2. Try to reinstall the factory image to see if that helps if not i would send it back.
This is a tricky one. I'm not sure if it's a faulty device because many others have complained about touch sensitivity. I mean it recognises my touches 95 percent of the time it's just now and then I need to press things twice. I'll see if I can record a video of me pressing extremely lightly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2027476
If you're comfortable with tweaking things around, I've managed to solve this same problem on my Nexus. Weird thing is, it seems to only affect some phones. My friend has a completely stock and it registers touch input just fine, but mine has always been way too conservative. This Kernel fix completely makes it go away, the only downside is that it has to reinstall itself everytime you boot your phone, so you can't touch your screen for the first minute after a reboot. totally worth it though!
I have a problem only when using a screen protector and only when that screen protector is dirty
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I agree nexus 4 touch responsiveness is Crap..
Compare it to a iPhone , S3 note 2, Galaxy nexus
Most phones are better... I'm not impressed with anything the nexus 4 offers
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myturbo1 said:
I agree nexus 4 touch responsiveness is Crap..
Compare it to a iPhone , S3 note 2, Galaxy nexus
Most phones are better... I'm not impressed with anything the nexus 4 offers
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So basically having the fastest phone on the market for half the price doesn't impress you? My touch is super responsive. You're one of those unpleasable people. Gtfo.
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My touch is not responsible (so far than other android phone or a 4s) at all, but if I swipe with the same contact with the screen, the phone recognize it ...
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I dont know whats wrong..I feel no difference at all...Touch responsiveness is fine..
The fastest phone on the market ? Don't kid yourself !
I'm not an unpleaseable person..But seriously the phone has some issues..
Its a nice & quick phone.. But certainly nothing to be overly excited about..
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The fastest phone on the market ? Don't kid yourself !
I'm not an unpleaseable person..But seriously the phone has some issues..
Its a nice & quick phone.. But certainly nothing to be overly excited about..
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Yes it is the fastest phone on the market. It beasts the one and s4 the majority of the time. You're an unpleaseable person by far if this phone doesn't please you.
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The majority of the time? Lol.
You take things pretty harsh huh ?
The one is a way nicer phone! The s4 I'm pretty sure is also better than n4..
I don't really care either way.. I have my own opinion just like you.. And what I have said many people have also said..
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I bought my Nexus 4 from Google Play about two weeks ago, so it's one of the "newer" batches.
One thing I can say with utmost confidence, the sensitivity is easily as good as my Galaxy S3, perhaps even better tbh.
And yes, it BEASTS the GS3 in speed, especially downloading and installing files. But pretty much faster all around. And I am a very hard person to please.
I would buy the Nexus 4 again before I'd buy any other phone. Price point, power, elegance.. seriously a great phone. Yes there have been some issues for many people, but all in all a top notch phone at an entry-level price.
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I agree nexus 4 touch responsiveness is Crap..
Compare it to a iPhone , S3 note 2, Galaxy nexus
Most phones are better... I'm not impressed with anything the nexus 4 offers
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Well you could always sell it, pretty sure plenty of people would take off your hands
I had some questions about the nexus 10 I ordered mine from play store shouls be getting here soon after I readed all these problems im ready thinking its gonna be bad like some people say . How do getting replacements work . Do they send me one first then I send messed up one back . After the 15 day return period could you still get replacements if like the screen leeks bad . ???????
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If you let Google put the cost of a new Nexus 10 on hold then they will send you a Nexus 10 while you still have yours. The money will be released when they receive your old Nexus 10.
Replacements are done through Google first, and after the return/replacement period then warranty for hardware defects is through Samsung. The Nexus 10 comes with a 1 year warranty, but a couple people have had problems with Samsung trying to say the warranty is only 90 days. The booklet clearly says 1 year though, and I think it says 1 year in the Play store when you buy the tablet so Samsung will have to honor that. If there are too many problems try and get Google involved with Samsung not upholding warranty on Google's tablets.
And it is really just 15% of people making a large stink about problems, many people are perfectly fine and happy with the tablet. Of those 15%, probably 5% will simply never be happy and just want to cause problems.
When you get your tablet be sure to set your background to solid black and delete all icons on the homescreen. Turn the brightness up half way and look for backlight bleed. if you have some, then you should consider returning the tablet for a new one, especially is the bleed has a yellow color to it rather than white. You can turn the backlight up higher to check with more brightness, but if you dont notice it at 50% then you probably wont ever notice any issues with the screen during any use.
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If you let Google put the cost of a new Nexus 10 on hold then they will send you a Nexus 10 while you still have yours. The money will be released when they receive your old Nexus 10.
Replacements are done through Google first, and after the return/replacement period then warranty for hardware defects is through Samsung. The Nexus 10 comes with a 1 year warranty, but a couple people have had problems with Samsung trying to say the warranty is only 90 days. The booklet clearly says 1 year though, and I think it says 1 year in the Play store when you buy the tablet so Samsung will have to honor that. If there are too many problems try and get Google involved with Samsung not upholding warranty on Google's tablets.
And it is really just 15% of people making a large stink about problems, many people are perfectly fine and happy with the tablet. Of those 15%, probably 5% will simply never be happy and just want to cause problems.
When you get your tablet be sure to set your background to solid black and delete all icons on the homescreen. Turn the brightness up half way and look for backlight bleed. if you have some, then you should consider returning the tablet for a new one, especially is the bleed has a yellow color to it rather than white. You can turn the backlight up higher to check with more brightness, but if you dont notice it at 50% then you probably wont ever notice any issues with the screen during any use.
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Do you like your tablet . If you could go back would you have still bought it ?
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Yes i would buy it again ...
but with more care about the possible defect . test the product very good before decide to keep it or not . dont trust google and samsung
- test the bleeding ( i have alot 4 points )
- test the battery . you should get at least 6 hour of screen minimum minimum on surfing the net . ( i get 5 )
- test the hdmi out ( i got it deffective from the box )
At least this are my problems
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Do you like your tablet . If you could go back would you have still bought it ?
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Yes I love mine. It is extremely smooth with custom ROMs and kernels. We have lots of great options from developers, battery life is exceptional, and the screen looks amazing watching an HD movie or TV show. I suppose if I had ever had problems with the tablet then I may feel differently, but I have yet to have any issues whatsoever. My one regret is that I did not purchase a 32GB version. If I could go back I would have waited another week to buy and paid the extra $100 for double storage space. I have a lot of games installed and my tablet is 90% full on space at all times and I wish I could install more.
I also have the note 10.1 which one you think is better .
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I havent used the Note 10.1 so I really dont know. The performance on the Nexus 10 is much better, and I like the higher res screen. But I heard the colors still look nicer on the Note 10.1.
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I havent used the Note 10.1 so I really dont know. The performance on the Nexus 10 is much better, and I like the higher res screen. But I heard the colors still look nicer on the Note 10.1.
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When do you notice the light bleeding?
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My tablet does not show any hint of light bleed until it reaches 80% or more brightness on a completely black background. Which is pretty good since LCD screens just inherently have light bleed because of how the backlight is designed for the tech. I have never even gone above 30% brightness while in doors, and outside at 100% it would be impossible to see any backlight bleeding anyway.
Once your tablet arrives I highly suggest the KTManta kernel. It has lots of fun options and the only kernel with a bit of color fix.
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My tablet does not show any hint of light bleed until it reaches 80% or more brightness on a completely black background. Which is pretty good since LCD screens just inherently have light bleed because of how the backlight is designed for the tech. I have never even gone above 30% brightness while in doors, and outside at 100% it would be impossible to see any backlight bleeding anyway.
Once your tablet arrives I highly suggest the KTManta kernel. It has lots of fun options and the only kernel with a bit of color fix.
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Will do
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Don't let bad comments on the forum frighten you away.. It wasn't that bad anyway. I'm still loving it.
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Lim Wee Huat said:
Don't let bad comments on the forum frighten you away.. It wasn't that bad anyway. I'm still loving it.
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Do you have any problems with yours
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I love my N10. But this is my second one, I had to RMA my first one. I was pretty vocal about the problems I was having, because of this:
+Its true that there is a lot of problem threads about this device. Partially this is from Android 4.2.1 not playing well with the N10, partially its because there are some defective N10 devices out there. I know because I had one! When you, the end user, has a general problem and then you go online to try and see if there is a fix, you find these threads, and everyone chimes in together it starts to get intense. Some of the people, as another user said, may never actually be satisfied. But others are reporting real problems, trying to find a fix. Im a lot more OCD than most people I meet, so I just assumed that was what was going on. I assumed I was just being picky, and that others were just being okay with it. But now, after using a different N10, I can say there was a guaranteed problem with my first unit.
So, just like the people that say "bad" need to be taken with a grain of salt, so do the people that say "good". I can say this: there are both good and bad N10s out there, and one thing EVERY new N10 owner needs to do is QUICKLY determine if you have a good or a bad one so that you can remedy the situation ASAP if you have a bad one.
~bm
There's two things I'm not a big fan of on the Nexus 10:
- Thermal throttling (this shouldn't even be an issue under normal circumstances, but the situation is far better than it was around launch)
- Available memory (we only have access to 1.2GB of RAM, not anywhere near the advertised 2GB)
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Do you have any problems with yours
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Nope. I rooted it as soon as I got my hands on it. My fave: Rasbeanjelly + Trinity..
Edit: Thermal throttling is a common problem across all Nexus devices. But I don't consider it a big problem because I'm underclocked.
I have looked at the specs and it seems the Amazon Kindle HDX 7" is as good or better on paper than the Nexus 7 2013. I also presume it does not suffer from the screen touch issues that the Nexus suffers from.
Are there any distinguishing differences between the two devices that make one better than the other?
For one I wouldn't want to run that whacky Amazon OS
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For one I wouldn't want to run that whacky Amazon OS
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I quite agree. The Kindle fire HD does have good specs, but the nexus comes about as stock as you can get and you can't really put a price on that.
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I quite agree. The Kindle fire HD does have good specs, but the nexus comes about as stock as you can get and you can't really put a price on that.
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I am new to all this, but is it not possible to get rid of the stock ROM and install CM on the Kindle and then we do not have to worry about the Amazon OS anymore and all we have left to compare is specs and quality ?
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I am new to all this, but is it not possible to get rid of the stock ROM and install CM on the Kindle and then we do not have to worry about the Amazon OS anymore and all we have left to compare is specs and quality ?
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Yeah absolutely, or Xposed.
I'm looking at the two side by side on GSM Arena (www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idphone1=5727&idphone25600) and in realism there isn't much in it; Snapdragon 800 / S4 Pro, 0.5GHz on the clock speed, Andreno 330 / Andreno 320. On paper I don't think there's much difference in them at all, you're right .
I would wager the deveoplement support for the Nexus is going to be a bit better, as the Nexus really is a development platform so to speak. So the ROM/Xposed module/Kernel /modding releases are going to me be more think and fast. But that's about all I can see.
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Yeah absolutely, or Xposed.
I'm looking at the two side by side on GSM Arena (www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idphone1=5727&idphone25600) and in realism there isn't much in it; Snapdragon 800 / S4 Pro, 0.5GHz on the clock speed, Andreno 330 / Andreno 320. On paper I don't think there's much difference in them at all, you're right .
I would wager the deveoplement support for the Nexus is going to be a bit better, as the Nexus really is a development platform so to speak. So the ROM/Xposed module/Kernel /modding releases are going to me be more think and fast. But that's about all I can see.
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Actually the Kindle's CPU is well faster, from 1.5GHz to 2.2GHz that is a 47% improvement.
The Nexus 7 has screen issues - thousands of posts on that. I had thought my Nexus was OK because I only bought it a few weeks ago, but I did the test today and mine also misses touches. I am not really planning to play games with it, but I am thinking why bother with a problematic device.
[QUOT=Zilliman;49158138]Actually the Kindle's CPU is well faster, from 1.5GHz to 2.2GHz that is a 47% improvement.
The Nexus screen issues - thousands of posts on that. I had thought my Nexus was OK because I only boKindle t a few weeks ago, but I did the test today and mine also misses touches. I am not really planning to play games with it, but I am thinking why bother with a problematic device.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I got my numbers mixed up, it is a 0.7 GHz hike, not 0.5.
Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device as there are millions of units that have not suffered any problems. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
The Kindle fire XHD does look very good on paper, but there may be hidden issues with that too. I'd like to try one out though.
I previously owned a kindle fire hd and boy was it a pain in the butt. Having to install a second bootloader to get a custom recovery was a hassle. Development wouldn't have been possible without Hashcode's work. Though once you get through all that, it really is a nifty device.
Now I'm not sure if the HDX is any easier to tinker with, but nothing beats the ease of rooting and flashing on a Nexus device.
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... but nothing beats the ease of rooting and flashing on a Nexus device.
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For most people, myself included, that's case in point right there.
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Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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[QUOT=Zilliman;49158138]Actually the Kindle's CPU is well faster, from 1.5GHz to 2.2GHz that is a 47% improvement.
The Nexus screen issues - thousands of posts on that. I had thought my Nexus was OK because I only boKindle t a few weeks ago, but I did the test today and mine also misses touches. I am not really planning to play games with it, but I am thinking why bother with a problematic device.
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Yeah I got my numbers mixed up, it is a 0.7 GHz hike, not 0.5.
Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device as there are millions of units that have not suffered any problems. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
The Kindle fire XHD does look very good on paper, but there may be hidden issues with that too. I'd like to try one out though.[/QUOTE]
Does yours miss a touch if you are holding it in one hand? Apparently the problem only manifests itself if you are NOT holding it (some kind of earthing issue).
I prefer the slim shape of the Nexus 7 to the wider Kindle HDX that's for sure.
What I am currently p*ssed off about is the inability of the stupid Nexus to make phone calls. Really annoying.
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Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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Can you please tell me what exact tests did you run before you returned your devices? Was the tablet held in one hand or was it laying on a table? Did you try the three point touch at 90 degrees test or some other type of test ? For example if the tablet is resting on my lap there are no issues with the 3 point touch test and the device correctly registers 3 points, but as soon as I place it on the couch the problem is immediately obvious and at 90 degrees the device misses one point.
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Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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I doubt any Nexus owner necessarily "accepts" the screen issues, but many have certainly learned to live with the odd missed touch. This kind of thing can and does happen on many touchscreen devices, it happens from time to time on my Galaxy Note too. In fact it happens about as regularly as it does on the Nexus, which I would say is about once in every 70-100 touches I would guess. On my Nex it only happens when it is lying flat for some reason, the rest of the time it's touch perfect.
A problematic device to me is one that has no end of troubles, processor lag, screen issues, touch issues, charging issues, hardware and software faults. The Nexus has one or two rough edges, but on top of those it's a very capable little tablet.
I understand what you mean about the Nexus brand slipping because people are putting up with faults when they should be speaking out, but people are speaking out about the screen issues. The only thing we can do I hope that the manufactures listen and make the changes needed for the next one.
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Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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I think its really unfortunate that some people won't buy this because other people are loudly complaining. I'm sure some people have legit problems but I also think others go out of their way to try to find problems. I don't think I've ever owned a PERFECT electronic device of any sort, even my Apple products have sometimes been less than perfect and they are the poster child for no issues.
If you have a tablet with problems and you don't notice the problems, doesn't that mean the problems don't exist?
Back on topic, I think if you want the latest updates it's a no brainer, go with Nexus. If you don't update and don't customize, well maybe go with the kindle?
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I don't think I've ever owned a PERFECT electronic device of any sort, even my Apple products have sometimes been less than perfect and they are the poster child for no issues.
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I quite agree, perfection in electronics is very often user defined. The Nexus to me isn't a perfect device, not because of the screen issues, but because of the lack of expandable storage. But I get over that with an OTG cable, so no sweat.
What qualifies as perfect to one person is terrible to another.
and back onto subject; the HDX sure looks like a fantastic device, but I'm more than happy with my Nexus 7 and even if I saw the HDX first I'm sure I would have still picked the Nexus. Specs on paper only mean so much.
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I quite agree, perfection in electronics is very often user defined. The Nexus to me isn't a perfect device, not because of the screen issues, but because of the lack of expandable storage. But I get over that with an OTG cable, so no sweat.
What qualifies as perfect to one person is terrible to another.
and back onto subject; the HDX sure looks like a fantastic device, but I'm more than happy with my Nexus 7 and even if I saw the HDX first I'm sure I would have still picked the Nexus. Specs on paper only mean so much.
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I think there are thousands of users with problem screens, and mine (which I very recently discovered suffers too) is not just a coincidence. I now believe the problem exists on all tablets regardless if the users have discovered it or not.
We also know that this only happens if the tablet is not held, is not resting on your lap and is not connected to USB. So there must be thousands of users that have not seen the problem because let's admit it, most of the times you'd be holding the tablet in your hands.
The more important fault is that the screen develops hairline cracks which disable touch in various areas completely! The only solution is to replace the screen/tablet. Judging from the reviews on Amazon, apparently the screen is very sensitive to knocks and to flexing, and develops these imperceptible cracks and touch stops working often without realising why.
In general I think the screen is too important a component to just ignore it.
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I'm sure some people have legit problems but I also think others go out of their way to try to find problems.
Back on topic, I think if you want the latest updates it's a no brainer, go with Nexus. If you don't update and don't customize, well maybe go with the kindle?
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Yes, people do have a legit problem and you don't have to go out of your way to find it, just attempt to use the device as it was intended.
For you to compare a lack of storage (which hopefully you were intelligent enough to notice when you purchased it) to a defective screen is complete Idiocracy.
Do I expect perfection? No. Do I expect the screen to respond at least as well as my first generation Nexus 7? Absolutely.
Back on topic: If you want a screen that responds like a Walmart $59 tablet its a no brainer get the Nexus.
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I recently received my Nexus 7 for Christmas. My only other tablet was a first generation Kindle Fire. I requested the Nexus 7 because of its Android updates, price, and specs. It offered me everything I was looking for and I did my research, trust me. I am not a specs fanatic by any means, but the Nexus 7 runs buttery smooth for everything I do. I couldn't be happier. I was not interested in another round of Amazon's version of Android. While the HDX may be a beast specs wise, I didn't want to put up the effort to root, unlock, and custom mod. I enjoy that to extent as my Kindle is currently running KitKat and finally working decent for its age, but I wanted a strong tablet without the hassle and the Nexus has brought that to me. And that's coming from an Amazon junkie. Absolutely love the Nexus.
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For what it's worth, I haven't been able to reproduce any of the touch issues that I've read other people complaining about, regardless of whether I'm actually holding the tablet or not. I have noticed that the touchscreen seems to be slightly less sensitive than the one on my first gen Nexus 7, but it's never been a problem for me in actual use.
YAMTT shows all 10 touch points while my N7 is laying on my bed, and I can draw basically perfect squares and circles, even with multiple fingers at once. I could just be lucky though.
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For me , the specs of the nexus 7 are fine for me. Everything I have used runs smoothly and for my uses (entertainment, and such) I do not need a faster spec device, since I do not game and dont demand a lot of CPU usage (if that makes sense). Also, one main reason I got the nexus 7 is for development because I love trying out different ROMs and just recently got into using different kernals. The development of any nonnexus device just can't compare to the development of a nexus device.
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