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Sick of silly dev roms

I always wanted to share this as some people call themselves developers in this forum by just removing and adding some apps and making roms "look faster". What they is actually going into the app called spare parts and choose the fast transition and fast windows animations. So why not trying these settings on cm7 and see which is faster people? Or any other rom developed by true developers!! I am not saying im against rom development but at least if u are trying to develop then do something unique and not a rom that even my grandma could do
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I agree mostly... the vast majority of roms available for us right now are just themed CM7. that's fine and dandy, but it's particularly amusing to me when people talk smack about CM7 being "slow" or "buggy" etc and then claim their new rom of choice, a CM7 variant, is the best thing since sliced bread.
that said, even theming can be a hell of a task, and extremely time consuming. I appreciate all of the work the development community provides to us (free of charge, mind you).

I don't see what you are trying to get at here. For a start I have tried just about every rom there is and I don't believe I have ever come across one that has window tansitions set to fast by default. We have a really good mix of devs here doing different things and do great work. You need to remember that devs build a rom that they like, quite often it is built for them and they choose to release it to the general public.
One of the great things about this community is choice. A rom that one person loves and another will hate, its all about personal preference.
Do you know anything about developing a rom? I don't but I knw a lot of work goes in to them and the devs do a lot more than change some settings on spare parts to make there rom different, better and faster than the next rom.
Your post in insulting to the devs that work really hard to give us something cool and awesome.
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Well said. You must strive to support to the best of your abilities, the development scene for this respective phone.
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There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.

I never said not supporting TRUE dev!! Im referring to those that call themselves devs by removing and adding a few apps. Go into other handsets forums and see what i mean. For ouf g2 only a few deserve to be called devs. Thats what im saying..
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I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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TheDeadCpu said:
There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.
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And does anyone actually use the chef title here on the g2 forum? No....
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I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.

astriaos said:
I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.
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Yohu know what your looking for? A stock rom....they all work! The devs here are pushing the boundries and taking our phones to the edge! Of course not everything will work out of the box and if they fixed everything before they released it they would have to deal with everyone begging for the next release.
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xsteven77x said:
I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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kokoskokis544 said:
Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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Thought I was the only one too but did not want to be rude or sound ungrateful. I do appreciate every quote on quote devs work and passion for making us roms. But some of these are just stock with the equivelant of removing bloat with titanium backup. No system tweaks. Nothing really even changed. if anything they should just be called bloatless roms or something.
On another note, while I do get annoyed that a lot of stuff is just cyanogen with a slick of paint on it, obviously the work it takes to build a rom from the ground up is not easy. Otherwise we would see a lot more of them. I do understand that and do not take lightly how hard it probably is. Maybe the answer is let's port some roms from other phones? Like insertcoin for example? Or maybe all the devs that are just repackaging stuff get together and form something along the lines of what the bionix team does and all work together to make one super good rom.
I LOVE the choices we have with this phone. Its f-in awesome. But sometimes I feel like its just a placebo with really one 3 to 4 actual unique roms for our g2. I do not know how to make roms, so I'm not acting like this can be done overnight. But some of this just seems like common sense no matter what angle your coming from.
Obviously rmk is a rom god. And suilmagic seems like an up and comer. Pershoots kick ass. I thought for a minute there was many a rumor that eugene was heading our way, which if true would probably cause a dam near astronomical shift in this forum, hope there is some truth to that rumor. Those are devs that stand out to me, if I didn't say your name I just didn't think of you when I was writing this.
Thank you for indulging my two cents. I do not mean to offend anyone whatsoever. I appreciate everything you guys do for us. But let's not sugarcoat the reality of our situation.
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kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.

actually, from my point of view, the worst thing is when someone does not give deserved credit - "Grab, use and forget"

petarpLab said:
kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.
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I agree that is extremely annoying. And then you ask what is it in it or whats different from other roms and you get a "INSTALL IT STUPID AND FIND OUT"....YA WELL UP YOURS TOO

even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.

pmcqueen said:
even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.
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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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cjward23 said:
I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
[sig]My mission is to hit 1000 posts by 23/05/2011[sig]
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Make that two. I don't really see a reason to get all aggro over something that is free. As to something that "might damage my phone".... um.. what? To my knowledge, the devs (or whatever some may wish to call them) are not into the practice of putting out toxic software for us to download. To make sure, I use this goofy thing called judgement. I'll look at a new ROM, read the dev comments, wait a while, read the feedback comments, and make a decision. Not complicated. If there are a ton of bugs and problems, I'll wait until later versions come out that correct these issues. Or I'll choose another ROM. I honestly don't see the point of complaining about free services and a plethora of options. If people don't like all that, unroot and stay with stock software.

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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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No, I'm with you too. While I don't know zip about development, I can appreciate the fact that it takes time and effort to create and upload a ROM, even one that is just a tweaked version of someone else's work.
While the OP seems to be complaining about one or a few people in particular, it seems that many people who post ROMs are doing it for the sheer enjoyment, or to create something unique for themselves. Then, they go out of their way to upload and post it on here for others to enjoy. Of course, giving credit when its due, and describing what has been changed (and what hasn't), as previously suggested, are all good points as well.
Its not like there is a whole lot of fortune and glory associated with calling yourself a "developer". If somebody is even calling themselves that, its probably due to lack of a better term, more than anything else. Its a bit cumbersome to go around calling yourself "Guy who modified a ROM for myself, and now posting it for others to enjoy".
Besides, if you don't like a person's ROMs, just don't use them or read his threads. Not enough ROMs tends to be the more common complaint, rather than too many (although obviously quality is a factor as well, not just quantity).

If you really wanna ***** about free services then don't use them, switch phones, go to a different dev community. People do this work for fun, they don't ask for money for the hours of work they put in. You should be appreciative for whatever ROMs we get ,especially if you don't "dev" yourself.
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*POLL* - Merging Original Android Development and Android Development

Keep the thread alive and up guys.
Here are some very nice suggestion!​
Hello community.
As you all know and see there two different thread
Original Android Development
Android Development
In this two thread you can find different ROMs.
Therefore it is in some cases difficult to distinguish in which thread a ROM have to be. Some DEVs (@ the Android Development) think they are at the wrong place but the Mods doesnt want to move their thread.
Please make here you choice if you want the old subdivision (only Android Development) oder if you like the new one (Original Android Development and Android Development).
It would be nice if you can leave here your reasons for your choice..
Uh quite nice!?
NeoPhyTe.x360 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16205643&postcount=186
https://twitter.com/#!/VillainROM/status/98306513713635328
I quote it in case of be deleted, VillainROM Tweet 2 Aug. 10.17 am:
@VillainROM
VillainROM
LMFAO mate @Fysi. Can you vote for the 2 forum system at http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1198080 ^P
What are the interests of Villain Team, to keep forums separated?
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Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16295037&postcount=27

More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc

Nice idea but i dont think that radios should have an extra thread. They can sty with kernels.
What do you mean with
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org/non = original/non Samsung or original/non AD?

veyka said:
More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc
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+1
It is nice not seeing a 'new' rom being posted every two minutes where the only difference is the theme.
Perhaps the section titles could be a little bit clearer, For example: Android Development, and the other section called Themed Roms?

Id like to see even more splitting for ROM+Kernel and Kernel only releases, Its really a PIA sometimes to sort the threads out when your looking for something and it kinda scares off the newbie with a ton load of information and choices presented to him when his just looking for something specific.
Id say have a separate release for ROM+Kernel in 1 subforum and another for kernel only.

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Its another way to increase post count

veyka said:
More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc
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I think that tagging is very important, I prefer only one section, but with very stricted thread's TAGGING...
And I think that is very important explain the non-cosmetic changes in every ROM.
Regards!

Exactly, strict tagging, good references as to where the rom was based on, and credits where needed.
One thread.

only one Android Development

One forum for development, one for roms and stuff. I have no interest in reading about the majority of the problems people have in installing a ROM, but would be interested in seeing the technical threads (if we still have technical threads here...)

Merge the Development forums again and require [ROM] and a date in the subject.
Require all [ROM]'s built from another 'original' rom's sources to have [DERIVATIVE] or something like to identify them with a link to the source rom in the thread.
Pull [KERNAL]'s out to a second forum, again require a date.
Create a 'Technical' forum and move all the discussion, speculation and stickies that clutter up the other ROM forums into here.
Create new forum for non-android development (like Backtrack or potential Linux releases).

I would suggest using [KERNEL] instead

godutch said:
i would suggest using [kernel] instead
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Even if they decided to split they shouldn't be partial. Why is villain and darky rom in original development? They both look similar to stock to me with some mods.
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Personally, I like the idea of having a forum specifically for new ROMs. I can see the benefit of keeping modifications to ROMs in one forum and the real thing in another.

kirdroid said:
Even if they decided to split they shouldn't be partial. Why is villain and darky rom in original development? They both look similar to stock to me with some mods.
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Not stock kernel for starters on VR and that's the core of it .
jje

I like the idea of keeping photoshop roms separate from true developer roms like CM7.
Seriously, everyone who can use winzip and photoshop can make a rom and publish here, and from the looks of it, they do. It it were up to me, I'd actually not open a separate board, I'd delete them all.

As the creation of two separate dev boards was not motivated by any intention to make the forum easier for the user I'd have to say merge them back please. Seeing how it was motivated by greed and favoritism, indicated by the ROMs placement on one board or the other, I'd say screw this nazi maneuver, get your head out of your asses and realize you're all just tweakers and the ONLY REAL DEVELOPER IS SAMSUNG AND THE CM7 TEAM. So as the two forums are, only stock ROM and CM7 should be in the "real" dev forum. The rest of you take OTHERS work and tweak it (yes make it better etc etc, and we are all grateful for that). But come on you're not some super genius hacker dev here (and YES I appreciate your work and have donated but you are not "original developers"). As stated above this is about a "good ole' boys club", nothing else. Pathetic.

Endoran said:
As the creation of two separate dev boards was not motivated by any intention to make the forum easier for the user I'd have to say merge them back please. Seeing how it was motivated by greed and favoritism, indicated by the ROMs placement on one board or the other, I'd say screw this nazi maneuver, get your head out of your asses and realize you're all just tweakers and the ONLY REAL DEVELOPER IS SAMSUNG AND THE CM7 TEAM. So as the two forums are, only stock ROM and CM7 should be in the "real" dev forum. The rest of you take OTHERS work and tweak it (yes make it better etc etc, and we are all grateful for that). But come on you're not some super genius hacker dev here (and YES I appreciate your work and have donated but you are not "original developers"). As stated above this is about a "good ole' boys club", nothing else. Pathetic.
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+1 nothing to add

+1... So many stock Samsung roms are still in original development forum. All this is nothing but favoritism.
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Seperate Dev section for the US GS3?

Just wonder what you guys think....Do you think it's necessary to have a forum dedicated to the US version of this phone since the roms for the international version won't be compatible with it?
I think it would help since there won't be any confusion as to what version a particular rom/kernel/mod is for...I think it would also help as far as troubleshooting is concerned too.
What do you think?

Sounds practical to me
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916x10 said:
Just wonder what you guys think....Do you think it's necessary to have a forum dedicated to the US version of this phone since the roms for the international version won't be compatible with it?
I think it would help since there won't be any confusion as to what version a particular rom/kernel/mod is for...I think it would also help as far as troubleshooting is concerned too.
What do you think?
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I agree, there Is no point in cluttering this forum with a different device. Its a completely different beast.
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So many newbs will be flashing quad core ROM's on their dual core phones, and vice versa.
It's going to be a real mess for awhile. And likely a lot of total bricked phones as a result.

This will happen, perhaps we could wait untill US versions are ACTUALLY available?
It will be broken down into VZW, Sprint , ATT and TMO..maybe under one thread, maybe completely seperate....
While sharing the same build, they will have different model #'s...as has been the case with just about EVERY phone ever released...
Chill out guys..GNEX started on Verizon...now they have a GSM/Verizon/Sprint sub thread...
Did you really think a dev would post a US rom into a I-9300 thread without clearly stating it's for said device?

They need to separate all of the variations......Korea, Japan, etc. This forum is already becoming cluttered
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Closed as this has been answered before, at the very least the USA S4 versions will get their own dev sections, but the exact layout is still under discussion.

I don’t see just one carrier when it comes to this device.

I see only one device. As far as I am concerned this is the SGS III or whatever you want to preferably name it, one single name, and one single name recognized by all, it should be, in all the Development forums it should be. There should be a universal name for this device that everyone calls it and it is referred to within the forums, this would be helpful if established. I don’t see this device as being T-Mobile’s SGSIII or Sprint’s SGSIII, AT&T’s SGSIII or Verizon’s SGSIII. No offense but IRC may have channels for this device, however misses contributions, however $%ssholes stay the @#ck out of the communications, if you feel the need to post your own discussion in the General discussion forum. The reason the possibility for this device; where a Team whose ever team’s, does not value it’s importance in this device. Why go to a limited area a limited mindset, when you can go to an area where everyone within open area knowledge consists of four carrier devices exists? This should be about Development uniting what you did before and what you plan to do- why not bring it together. Development should unite on this single device, while those channels are helpful for single devices; this single device brings four carriers together for more solutions, not ROM specific but everyone's work and effort (but every non DEV should butt the [email protected]#k out of the discussion.) As far as I am this is a device, regardless of the carrier, that works there should work here. Is this device new, absolutely? Are things going to change because of this device? Developers think of your efforts what was designed to work on T-Mobiles platform, is able to work on Sprint’s platform with this change, with this change it can work on AT&T”s platform and this change will work on Verizon’s. Implement these changes on each carriers platform so that each carrier benefits from the changes and so every SGSIII today or tomorrow will recognize the Developer that made the change work for them. They better [email protected]#king should. This is not a carrier specific model; this is a model specific to all specified carriers, so why is it not treated that way? Because, people are used to carrier specific specific models? This is not a carrier specific model and should not be treated that way. When people realize this? Who knows maybe never. In the interim, what happens, who the [email protected]#k knows. All I know I can imagine (same device) is if this is changed it works on Sprint, if this is changed it works on T-Mobile, if this works it on AT&T and will work on Verizon (You guys are the miracle workers, I am simply the beneficiary.) Why not work together to make a better solution, where everyone benefits? Don’t thank me, I am not a developer; thank the developers and thank their efforts, in every way you can. Think of the Allies, Verizon that will soon receive their devices they are strong extremely supporters. Act strategically, and make them your greatest friend. Make this device whether Sprint, T-mobile, AT&T and Verizon extremely strong. EVERY DEVICE should want to be an SGSIII power and energy is one thing, it is the DEVELOPMENT is the most important factor. THIS DEVICE HAS THAT. EVERYONE MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Im guessing your giving the devs a hand at making roms/themes/mods universal so that noobs dont run into more problems by flashing things they "think" are universal. I hope you are, they need all the help they can get.
I just dont have the time to do that atm. But I will try to focus on roms/themes/mods we know will work on Sprint. Then comes the step of making it universal. It just takes a little longer. But we will make it happen And in the future you might want to use paragraphs, makes reading a little easier.
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YEAH!!!
Wait, what?
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Awesome wall of text. Unless you can make ROMs universal for all devices, which I understand is being worked on, having separate development forums is necessary.

Wat.
Herp derp Captivate Tapatalk 2

Wall of text looked like the matrix
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......

I assume this is what the Unabomber's manifesto looked like.

TeamERA said:
Im guessing your giving the devs a hand at making roms/themes/mods universal so that noobs dont run into more problems by flashing things they "think" are universal. I hope you are, they need all the help they can get.
I just dont have the time to do that atm. But I will try to focus on roms/themes/mods we know will work on Sprint. Then comes the step of making it universal. It just takes a little longer. But we will make it happen And in the future you might want to use paragraphs, makes reading a little easier.
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Look I'm not a Dev and I don't know who Dev's or all of them are. I have nothing to do with Samsung, I'm still waiting for my F#@King device, never have I flashed a ROM or ANYTHING else. BUT I WILL. But I bring people together. If you DON’T WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, GET THE F#@K OUT OF THE WAY. NO ONE HAS TIME FOR YOU. I'm a rainmaker, live life to the fullest or GET F#@K OUT OF THE WAY SO SOMEONE ELSE CAN. No one in specific, just those who can't. I have been a member as many of you have on XDA. I have seen things that are ABSOLUTELY F#@KING AMAZING. With this cross carrier combination, why can’t more be done? I can’t do it, but others that are more talented than I can. Why limit at one’s potential, when one’s potential can be pushed further or farther? These ROMS that everyone talks about are human created, yet there is so much talent that lies deep and some exposed within this forum. Why stop here, maybe a solution is found here, then push further until stuck here, solution found here, then the answer is found and resolved as a working solution. WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO INTERUPT THAT??? To make a point of this or that? To lose out on the possibility of this or that… EVERYTHING CONTINUES…

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I assume this is what the Unabomber's manifesto looked like.
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Nope, missed your response. Would have have responded.

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I lol'ed.

You need to chill out A LOT.
This device has been out a week, it seems that devs will follow this direction already. Better safe than sorry with regards to dev forums.
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This thread is hilarious. A guy who doesn't even have his phone is *****ing about having separate carrier development forums. Keep ramblin' bud, I'll just sip my beer and chuckle. Thanks for the free entertainment. You keep the internet interesting!

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I lol'ed.
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Me too. I thanked him just for turning wall of text into a lol moment.

zaisaroni said:
You need to chill out A LOT.
This device has been out a week, it seems that devs will follow this direction already. Better safe than sorry with regards to dev forums.
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Agreed. There have been a lot of quick fire rants about a device that has barely been out a week. Calm down and let things shake out. For right now we need to make sure things are safe for a particular device and then see if it can be universal.
If you were to flash something in from this one and only forum and brick your device because you thought everything in it was for your phone, you would then be ranting about how it needed to be split up because it's confusing.
If and when it is feasible to put everything together without worrying about a flood of bricks devices, the mods will. Until then smoke something good and relax.
And hit the enter key every once in a while.
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I agree with OP, just because our devices work differently is no reason to keep then apart. Free love for all variants!
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jamesbra said:
I agree with OP, just because our devices work differently is no reason to keep then apart. Free love for all variants!
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Got a free thanks,fyi.
I personally do not agree. I was against the idea if combining the forums as they have been done. It would be too easy for someone not as experienced as others to flash the incorrect rom, causing an inoperative device.
It would be wonderful if there was one firmware capable of operating on all carriers devices. Unfortunately, that is not possible, if for no other reason than the technology used in their data/voice transmission (CDMA,, GSM,etc).
Op, just relax a little. Your new device will be here soon enough. Many people were still waiting as you are.
Have a nice day

Docavelli said:
Agreed. There have been a lot of quick fire rants about a device that has barely been out a week. Calm down and let things shake out. For right now we need to make sure things are safe for a particular device and then see if it can be universal.
If you were to flash something in from this one and only forum and brick your device because you thought everything in it was for your phone, you would then be ranting about how it needed to be split up because it's confusing.
If and when it is feasible to put everything together without worrying about a flood of bricks devices, the mods will. Until then smoke something good and relax.
And hit the enter key every once in a while.
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I happen to agree with, and it is not in argumentative state.
There needs to be more people working together on this device.
This is not Sprint's SGS III device, it's not T-Mobile's SGS III device, it's not AT&T's SGS III device or Verizon's SGS III device. This is a community whether your neighbor is T-Mobile or Sprint, or across the street is AT&T. You talk to your neighbors and find out who they are, what they are going through and how to help them if you know how. Do I need to own another F#@cking device to that no way. But, if we work together all of us, ever f#@cking one of us, it accomplish so much more.

ScottyBeGood said:
I happen to agree with, and it is not in argumentative state.
There needs to be more people working together on this device.
This is not Sprint's SGS III device, it's not T-Mobile's SGS III device, it's not AT&T's SGS III device or Verizon's SGS III device. This is a community whether your neighbor is T-Mobile or Sprint, or across the street is AT&T. You talk to your neighbors and find out who they are, what they are going through and how to help them if you know how. Do I need to own another F#@cking device to that no way. But, if we work together all of us, ever f#@cking one of us, it accomplish so much more.
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And the devs do talk. As well as just casual users. There are always people saying, "hey, over in forum A, they're doing this. Will it work on our phone?"
I've had several devices and in every forum for my particular one this happens. It is a community and we do talk. We just don't all need to live on the same street to do it.
And it is not "one phone". There are differences. Maybe not brickable for the most part but differences none the less.
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ScottyBeGood said:
I happen to agree with, and it is not in argumentative state.
There needs to be more people working together on this device.
This is not Sprint's SGS III device, it's not T-Mobile's SGS III device, it's not AT&T's SGS III device or Verizon's SGS III device. This is a community whether your neighbor is T-Mobile or Sprint, or across the street is AT&T. You talk to your neighbors and find out who they are, what they are going through and how to help them if you know how. Do I need to own another F#@cking device to that no way. But, if we work together all of us, ever f#@cking one of us, it accomplish so much more.
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You don't think this is going to happen? As someone who will be " developing" for this device, you can bet I will be looking in each of the forums. There will be somethings that are universal...I am guessing some that will not. Just because my device will be branded AT&T, does not mean I am not prohibited to read the other forums.
The focus of the community has changed...maybe not in a written manifesto, but it has changed. What once was a Dev-centric forum has become user centered. Development forums have become more of a "can I have this" "gimme that" forum. Users don't come here to learn, they come here for the latest and greatest, and will flash without understanding what they are doing. Sure, they can follow step by step directions...but they don't know enough to trouble shoot when step 4 does not go as planned.
Keeping the forums separated helps keep the issues down...but should not hinder the developers working together.
Sorry for another wall...
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I Think We Should Keep This Forum As A General US S3 Section

This forum should be kept as place to mods, questions, news, and other development that pertains to all non quad core galaxy s3's because then we will still be able to expand on all of our phones at once instead being limited to our section only. I think the device thread separation was necessary but we should still have a place for stuff that pertains to us all

I'm confused. Isn't that what it is now? General section for AT&T, T-Mobile, Spring, and Verizon Galaxy S3's
Edit - just saw that it's all getting broken out into subforums again. Lame.

I concur
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I'm having flash withdrawals!!! I need to flash a new rom but I can't find them. I know they are separating them but is development gone until they are done?

jwwolfe77 said:
I'm having flash withdrawals!!! I need to flash a new from but I can't find them. I know they are separating them but is development gone until they are done?
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Find your development sub-forum here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29263175

stevieraveon said:
find your development sub-forum here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29263175
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thank you thank you thank you!!!!!

I'm all for the united dual core version forum since all great ideas can come together with no worry of carrier. Keep the forum

I'd like for it to be united as well.

Yea I like it together too I think there should be a poll or something since no matter how it is set up someone will complain
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change is good.

I'm good either way but the mods have made up their minds.
NotATreoFan said:
The merge was initially done because we had high hopes that everyone would play in the sandbox nicely. Sadly this did not happen to the level we hoped for, although do not misunderstand, there was a lot of carrier-independent collaboration going on. It also ended up being a nightmare to keep clean and [relatively] free of clutter due to threads not being labeled correctly.
The Accessories sections have been merged with the International section, so clicking those links will take you to a one stop shop for advice on what to buy for your newest toy. Of course the Development and Original Development sections will continue as well.
Let's make the best of this situation. With some help from everyone, we can get everything sorted in a day or two. In the meantime, new threads should NOT be created in this section. It just increases our workload.
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+1 for keeping it unified

Carrier Specific stuff can go to their respective sections...universal issues can go here.

One love, one life. Let's get together and...
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I prefer my own section for my device. I certainly did not like having to sift through all of the Verizon locked bootloaders, Tmobile data questions, and AT&T locked LTE data switch threads. I fully support development ports from one device to another, but no need to combine all of the general sections of each device into one major one.

Overstew said:
I prefer my own section for my device. I certainly did not like having to sift through all of the Verizon locked bootloaders, Tmobile data questions, and AT&T locked LTE data switch threads. I fully support development ports from one device to another, but no need to combine all of the general sections of each device into one major one.
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+1 It has made XDA far less enjoyable for me. Too much clutter.
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16 of 21 votes to keep it combined. I agree

I say keep community together.Development section is still separate.This is the kind of division that Malcolm warned us about,lol.
Oh no they are separating this as i type this,i feel that xda's evil behind the scenes sponsor Aplle is behind this.

Overstew said:
I prefer my own section for my device. I certainly did not like having to sift through all of the Verizon locked bootloaders, Tmobile data questions, and AT&T locked LTE data switch threads. I fully support development ports from one device to another, but no need to combine all of the general sections of each device into one major one.
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Congratulations overstew
You have won my 400th thanks
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I like the the devas seperation decision but I also believe we should have a Dual core s3 forum so we can post news and other dev for all devices.
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