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I'm getting tired of all the knock off roms that are all the same.
There are a few "real" devs that make good roms. But then a lot of people cooking roms, and just changing some pictures and stuff with no additional functions, or borrowing them from someone else's rom.
Roms with added apps or themes should go in the theme section, cause its not a new rom.
Post and vote if your tired of getting rom spammed.
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I'm not looking to fight but here's a real simple question...are you a dev? Are you contributing anything to the betterment of the community? If your answer is no then you like myself probably shouldn't throw stones. If you're unhappy don't use any of the available "spam" as you call it. Stick with your Sense and call it a day.
Just my 2 cents.

I would have to say yes. There are tons of knockoffs.
I had a whitey comment about a developer and rom that was a knockoff of Cyanogenmod's rom but I think it is better left unsaid.
PS: I don't think this belongs in this section but then again it does. So idk I wanna see the results of this poll.

Agreed, alot of these roms are just the same with diffrent apps and themes....they should be moved to themes and apps and stay out of development
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sounds like your mad that CM7 isnt out
im furious also
but comon unless you develop a rom then how about you just logout and delete the favorite from your browser.
cya

DanWalker said:
I'm not looking to fight but here's a real simple question...are you a dev? Are you contributing anything to the betterment of the community? If your answer is no then you like myself probably shouldn't throw stones. If you're unhappy don't use any of the available "spam" as you call it. Stick with your Sense and call it a day.
Just my 2 cents.
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personal attack removed. I guess you don't understand "community". Just because you don't dev a rom doesn't mean you don't take part in where the development goes. The OP is correct. There are alot of confused people who create roms that are themes. I have no issues having these roms if they simply stated they are themed roms. These types of roms should be moved in to the theme/apps. The development section should be Roms the deliver something different then the theme. Startup scripts. Modifications to the framework etc. We have a great community. I personally agree with the OP.
I guess why this is here.
There is a sticky about The General Public License. Yet we have plenty of devs that don't actually release what they are changing in their roms. This is as if they own these rights when they don't. To further development Developers should be releasing changes they made to the framework. What was changed, how it was changes, and how this change effects the phone. I don't see it. I see things like "Changes to the framework", "Other changes that I am missing" < How does this benefit anyone? This is an open source community. Maybe we should be more "open"
IMO

lithid-cm said:
you sir are an idiot. I guess you don't understand "community". Just because you don't dev a rom doesn't mean you don't take part in where the development goes. The OP is correct. There are alot of confused people who create roms that are themes. I have no issues having these roms if they simply stated they are themed roms. These types of roms should be moved in to the theme/apps. The development section should be Roms the deliver something different then the theme. Startup scripts. Modifications to the framework etc. We have a great community. I personally agree with the OP.
I guess why this is here.
There is a sticky about The General Public License. Yet we have plenty of devs that don't actually release what they are changing in their roms. This is as if they own these rights when they don't. To further development Developers should be releasing changes they made to the framework. What was changed, how it was changes, and how this change effects the phone. I don't see it. I see things like "Changes to the framework", "Other changes that I am missing" < How does this benefit anyone? This is an open source community. Maybe we should be more "open"
IMO
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I can't agree more with lithid. There are two others out there that seem to be taking lithids and making their own thred. Most are themes and shouldn't be in here. I like to test for preludedrew and lithid based roms but I hear the same complaining. Gps, whens 4g working, hdmi.
Just because you take another devs Rom and update it nightly doesn't make it your own. I personally gone from not understanding Android to recooking roms but why should I post it then ask for donations. Donations should be to those truly developing the roms like CM, Lithid, Prelude and so on.
I certainly don't want to start a war on this but its sickening to bounce from thred to thred and see the same stuff just different title.
Said my peace.. thanks to myn, lithid, CM, and prelude. Of course to all those that help them too.
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Stalte said:
I would have to say yes. There are tons of knockoffs.
I had a whitey comment about a developer and rom that was a knockoff of Cyanogenmod's rom but I think it is better left unsaid.
PS: I don't think this belongs in this section but then again it does. So idk I wanna see the results of this poll.
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Yeah, I know, my cyanogenmod knockoff sucks doesn't it...
Just kidding

Well a lot of phones dont have roms or good roms, so even if some roms copy at least we have people giving to the Evo community.
The more roms the better is my thought.

lithid-cm said:
you sir are an idiot. I guess you don't understand "community". Just because you don't dev a rom doesn't mean you don't take part in where the development goes. The OP is correct. There are alot of confused people who create roms that are themes. I have no issues having these roms if they simply stated they are themed roms. These types of roms should be moved in to the theme/apps. The development section should be Roms the deliver something different then the theme. Startup scripts. Modifications to the framework etc. We have a great community. I personally agree with the OP.
I guess why this is here.
There is a sticky about The General Public License. Yet we have plenty of devs that don't actually release what they are changing in their roms. This is as if they own these rights when they don't. To further development Developers should be releasing changes they made to the framework. What was changed, how it was changes, and how this change effects the phone. I don't see it. I see things like "Changes to the framework", "Other changes that I am missing" < How does this benefit anyone? This is an open source community. Maybe we should be more "open"
IMO
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100% spot on correct!!!!!

While anyone can make a contribution to not all of them are beneficial to the community.

brizzle1986 said:
Agreed, alot of these roms are just the same with diffrent apps and themes....they should be moved to themes and apps and stay out of development
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LMAO @ moved to themes and apps
bwhahahaha

goodboynyc said:
While anyone can make a contribution to not all of them are beneficial to the community.
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This thread is essentially pointless. Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one. This thread belongs in the q&a section, not development. Ironic the very thing complained about is the same thing occurring here. People are sharing their creations, like them or not. If not, don't download them. No good is going to come from saying people are all being copycats. I'm sure you feel my ROM is another useless creation as well, a 'knock off'. That's OK with me if you feel that way, plenty of other people like it. If you don't like it, don't download it.
Android is all about open source, this is why I have made threads like THIS ONE and THIS ONE so that others can see exactly what I have done and how to do it themselves.
Have a nice day

Ive taking the best features,tweaks etc from 4-5 different roms and made my own sweet rom but I wouldnt dare post it cause it's not my work, but that being said if proper credit is giving to the Devs is this really a issue??

Better to have too many than not enough. Even if they just change a couple of things then, imo, that could spark further creativity or development.
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You should ask the devs too. I think if a dev copies the whole rom and just basically theme it they shouldn't ask for money. But if they actually add features why not.
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I don't think they're knockoffs. Even the "knockoffs" take a great load of time and effort to make them. The Devs aren't always looking to please everyone and often make ROMS because a small group has asked them to. Competition is NEVER bad

More roms to chose from is better. Not all developers want to add certain tweaks consumers demand. For example the power bar tweak and etc... this post is useless and doesn't belong here.
OP if you don't like the variety of roms then don't read about them or even become curious of them. Don't waste pointless space in this forum. Thanks.
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there are just sooooo many "custom" roms out there right now and its hard to find things sometimes.
Can we get another section under development for kernels, aosp and sense
that would make it look alot prettier

SteelH said:
This thread is essentially pointless. Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one. This thread belongs in the q&a section, not development. Ironic the very thing complained about is the same thing occurring here. People are sharing their creations, like them or not. If not, don't download them. No good is going to come from saying people are all being copycats. I'm sure you feel my ROM is another useless creation as well, a 'knock off'. That's OK with me if you feel that way, plenty of other people like it. If you don't like it, don't download it.
Android is all about open source, this is why I have made threads like THIS ONE and THIS ONE so that others can see exactly what I have done and how to do it themselves.
Have a nice day
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X2 on all of that!
If you don't like it, don't download it....I like the freedom to choose. My friend has the incredible and gets mad that he doesn't have as much to choose from as I do.

[POLL] New sub-forums

Dear Community members,
Should we have 2 separate sub-fora for Android development and Themes and Apps:
-Sense
-AOSP
I think it will make our live easier, but it's just an idea. I included a poll so please, do MASSIVELY express yourself! I did vote Yes, of course!
Regards
forelli

Can't say it would be a bad idea, might split people though and some forums don't like that.
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any organisation is good organisation

I voted no. Why? Because there are so much common things for both builds in those forums.
Android dev: leaks, radios, guides, kernels, general mods (like recent usb host). It should be a general place to find all the custom ROMs.
Themes: I agree that themes are usually for CM or Sense only, but there are also common things like bootanimations, splashes, etc.

I agree with both sides of the case here, however a well titled ROM Thread
e.g
[ROM][SENSE][etc][etc]............
or
[ROM][AOSP][etc][etc]............
Would do just fine. So I voted no.

I opened this thread because it proved difficult to find a CM7 theme or kernel! You have to go through I don't know how many pages before you find something for CM7.
f.
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As it has already been said, a well titled thread should help more than the infinite splitting of the forums. You'll just have to use the search button. What's next? Froyo and Gingerbread subforums? Once i get to a computer I'll vote 'no'.
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I don't know about AOSP or SENSE forums, but I think it would be a good idea to gather all guides (rooting, flashing, s-off etc.) to the same place. That way they would be easier to find than now as they are scattered all over the forum. This would also reduce the numbers of new threads started by people asking questions that have already been answered several times.
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Hawks556 said:
I don't know about AOSP or SENSE forums, but I think it would be a good idea to gather all guides (rooting, flashing, s-off etc.) to the same place. That way they would be easier to find than now as they are scattered all over the forum. This would also reduce the numbers of new threads started by people asking questions that have already been answered several times.
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The sticky roll-up thread in Android Developement maybe?!? They are there, but unfortunately you can have those guides in big red letters on top of every page and there will sill be someone, who thinks it's easier to ask than to read. It has to be the human nature . Actually proposing this, means that you too have never looked at the sticky roll-ups in the forums! Shame on you!

andyharney said:
I agree with both sides of the case here, however a well titled ROM Thread
e.g
[ROM][SENSE][etc][etc]............
or
[ROM][AOSP][etc][etc]............
Would do just fine. So I voted no.
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I think this will be the best if we just tag them, so the common things will be in one place and the different ones Wilkinson be much more easy to find.
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tkolev said:
The sticky roll-up thread in Android Developement maybe?!? They are there, but unfortunately you can have those guides in big red letters on top of every page and there will sill be someone, who thinks it's easier to ask than to read. It has to be the human nature . Actually proposing this, means that you too have never looked at the sticky roll-ups in the forums! Shame on you!
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Yes I've read the stickies, but there isn't listed even nearly all the most commonly needed guides like the getting back to stock guide, improving battery life guide and radio s-off guide just to name a few. Also it would be good to have the known solutions/reasons to common bugs/problems listed somewhere. These threads can ofcourse be found on the forum as it is but if no one posts to the threads (because they are solved) they will fall back to the last pages of the threads list and thus become harder to come across.

And yes I know that the common DHD issues can be found in the general section sticky, but also that one isn't fully comprehensive. Just to give an example the CWM booting while charging issue can't be found there even though the issue has been there since we got CWM on our phones, hasn't it?

"original" development

I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.

anonymous572 said:
I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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huh?

im yet to see what this section is for too

panyan said:
im yet to see what this section is for too
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Yea ive seen it on other sections before, But I dont fully understand it

What the hell is 'original development' ??
What is the current development ? Un original ?
whats with the need to add un-necessary sub sections ? It just fuels confusion

Maybe "original" means "real". So there will be a chance to distinguish between cloning/adding/tweaking from development

Do we need / want it ?? I think we should open up a poll and pass the results on to the mod(s)
We had a similar thing in the HTC One S forums, Where they added a subsection for Tmobile Versions, It was totally un-needed as there were no differences between the 2 devices. We made a poll and the section got removed.
Sometimes these things do more bad than good, As if the flashing procedure isnt difficult enough already, What with the brickbug and all that.
If you think its a good idea to remove it, Ill open a poll before the section gets full with stuff.

Why not wait a little bit and see what it should be used for?
One Mod will explain sooner or later...

lets just hope its something useful

Is it so hard to understand? All stuff about original roms goes in there.

What do you mean Original ROMs ? Things like Stock TW ROMs ? Or does that include Custom ROMs too ?
Only in the SGS2 threads the 'original' section is full of custom ROMs and kernels too.
I mean this device is almost 12months old, We've survived without it.
Im just old fashioned Change freaks me out

Confusing?
Hate It?
Simply Don't Open It

anonymous572 said:
I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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wish you could enlighten us on how it was a unique crap and a **** for s2 then?

original = stock = cooked roms
the other thread will be for "really" developed roms i.e, aokp/aosp/cm9 variants

So if some one builds a ROM based on Cynogen Mod from scratch..will it be in original section or since its from CM it will be in Development
btw this was the rule posted there
The following are most likely “Original Development”:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)

i get the idea to separate the genuine development from the WinZip one, but it may not be that easy in practice to distinguish those lying somewhere in between

See Here
XDA, the moderators and the powers that be.... have been wrestling with trying to differentiate the Difference between the Code-writing Development and the Quasi-developers that use rom cooking tools.
To that end we will be going through the development threads in the next couple of weeks and moving the appropriate threads that meet the original code requirement to be placed in this new forum.
Please bear in mind that this is a "Work in Progress" and will take a bit of time to hone and perfect what goes where.
Also, please understand that this does not mean that some developers are on some special pedestal. That is not the case.
I will use an analogy to explain:
A music composer writes an original piece of music. The music composition may be awesome... but his performance of it, may not.
Such often is the case in developers..... often someone comes up with a awesome idea or new code application, but it often ends up being perfected by the use of others putting their creative spin on it.
That is the beauty of The Android Platform and ....XDA provides a fertile field for all to share ideas and collectively improve our experience
I hope this clarifys the potential questions
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At the end of the day everything is built from something else but what they are getting at is ROMs that are just other roms with maybe a new theme and tweaks taken from else where would just be in the normal development.
But if you came up with something new and different (not just a rehash of other peoples work) then it should go in original development

Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.

Want me to start a poll?
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azzledazzle said:
Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.
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Want me to start a poll?
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It makes alot of sense, will make it easy to find new and 'bigger' development work against the small tweaked roms which while important are starting to fill up the forum
It was tested in the S2 forums and has been rolling out XDA wide so theres not alot a poll will do, in honour of the hitch hikers guide of the galaxy, the plans have been on show for quite some time, if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout.

Ultimate Rom Requirement specification thread

Hello Guys,
This is my first post on XDA forum because I'm new here. I didn't post any threads till now because I didn't want to spam the forum with any unwanted thread or duplicate ones, but I have tried many Roms and I already knew some really cool and helpful guys like Jader, Mechmetal and Bestttt :fingers-crossed:
I used to work as a software engineer, but currently i'm working as a software quality control engineer.
and as I said earlier I have tried many Roms and I also have found lots of bugs and enhancements required.
I wanted to post comments but sadly I'm not allowed to because terms and conditions stated that I can't comment unless I post at least 10 threads :crying:
Anyway, I just wanted to suggest something,
I suggest organizing a thread for something like a requirement sheet for each Rom, speaking about myself I installed lots of roms but I removed it again because it has less customizations , or it doesn't have a built in application that I really want or it has another one I don't like (ex: toggles) while it had been a fast and stable one.
so why don't we find a way to collect the requirements of the users installing JB Roms, and ICS roms so the developers can put their effort in two really cool and helpful roms to have most of our needs:good:
It was just a suggestion
I'm have Xperia Arc [lt15i] with AOKP M1 - Fusion Kernel 3.9

Given how many ROMs there are, along with the fact that everyone's different this is a fruitless task, and why I learned to mod myself. You also can't expect Devs/Themers to cater for every last persons requirements.
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XperienceD said:
Given how many ROMs there are, along with the fact that everyone's different this is a fruitless task, and why I learned to mod myself. You also can't expect Devs/Themers to cater for every last persons requirements.
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Yes, Sure I get what you mean, it's so exhaustive
I meant something like Bug reporting technique, issues or enhancements with priorities and severity.
Anyways it was just a suggestion
Thanks anyway

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Anyways it was just a suggestion
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Which are always good, but like I've said we're all different and what you may like in a ROM I might not so what you might call a "requirement" I might call a gimmick.
Also, you don't need to start 10 threads to post in Development, you just need to make 10, preferably helpful posts elsewhere.

XperienceD said:
Which are always good, but like I've said we're all different and what you may like in a ROM I might not so what you might call a "requirement" I might call a gimmick.
Also, you don't need to start 10 threads to post in Development, you just need to make 10, preferably helpful posts elsewhere.
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I didn't start 10 threads to post in the Development section, I downloaded and tried most of the Roms in the development section,
The number of posts near my name are just replies
plus, my posts in the development sections are not requests , so I could still use it normally since I registered on XDA without the need to comment
Thanks anyway it was just an Idea that I thought about and I just wanted to share.

I have tested many JB Based Roms/ Kernels if you have created modded one where WiFi / WiFi Tethering is Stable and working I would be much obliged of having and Using it on my phone ... The best Rom / Kernel I have tried so far has been LuPus V4 Kernel with CAMPS Rom but unfortunately like all the rest WiFi Tethering has been insignificant and unusable Where as I have to constantly downgrade back to JellySandwich / Ark Knight Combo (ICS) Untill there's been a fix ... So There's are my 2 needs hope that helps with your conquest in making a Universal Rom

Mod ur own rom and rule the world because no developer will ever work to create a rom as per ur convince
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kaushikpasi said:
Mod ur own rom and rule the world because no developer will ever work to create a rom as per ur convince
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Would love to but don't know how too so just enjoying other people's work. Testing and using them all till I find a good which I have done atm which runs extremely well
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xda devs mate already organized the threads.. also we got good moderators... this is a free forum.. you need to earn the recognized developr to gain the reputation.. or other title.. theres no instant here... show off your works and get recognized.
if you can fix some bugs.. you can contribute in developing the roms.. btw welcome...
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Ambiguously named "Original Android Development" Forums

I'm not sure why the decision was made to start dividing up the Android Development Forums into regular and "Original" versions but I personally feel like it's pointless and confusing, especially for people who have been using this site for several years.
At the very least they should be named more appropriately, the word original makes it sound like you're talking about modified stock ROMs etc..., i.e. what was originally on the device.
The entire point of an open source community is that different people can work on different things. I guarantee you that some of the so called "unoriginal" ROMs out there had just as much work and time go into them as anyone else's. So this is basically a just a slap in the face to anyone who is new to this type of development, it certainly would not encourage anyone to continue contributing and learning.
The bottom line is that the only "Original" Android ROMs come from here: http://source.android.com , even Cyanogen MOD is still 90% someone else's code/work. Essentially the whole thing amounts to elitist segregation, aside from Linus Torvald there isn't a person alive today that has any right to thumb their nose at another open source developers efforts simply because they didn't think they were worthy of being recognized.

Cool story bro

Well IMO I think it makes sense that its called original because its all based on aosp which is the original Android
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eggydrums said:
Well IMO I think it makes sense that its called original because its all based on aosp which is the original Android
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Actually it has nothing to do with that, there are many modified stock ROMs in the original forums. Unless of course you're referring to those as well in which case EVERYTHING is based on the AOSP. In either case I hope you voted for option two

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Why didn't you vote?

Why would I?
Total waste of a thread...it will accomplish nothing and is just a rant from you
No one else has a problem with this, including people like myself who's work doesn't go in the original section
Plus this has been covered so many timez the Admins are bored hearing about it
Find something else to concentrate on, this is highly irrelevant

I agree with the OP.
Having two forums for the development of Android for one device makes no sense.
At the very least, a sticky at the top of every "original" forum needs to interpret why the forum is different to the standard development forum.
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It seems that every time I've come here in the last few months everything is different. I understand wanting to 'spice it up' or 'make it organized'...but XDA was pretty much unchanged for a very long time, and now all these changes are more frustrating than helpful. In the end, I guess it doesn't make that big of a difference.
Let it be said that the first time I read 'original android development'...I thought of apps that were developed 100% by a dev...and NOT based on 'original android'.

I'm going to lock this up and explain the differences of development and original development.
Plain development: those are ROMs that are based off stock based ROMs or ROMs like cm with some apps or minor tweaks tossed in. Nothing that is brand new or has revolutionary features in. Team venom ViperS sense ROM is normal development if that ROM is based on a stock based sense ROM. Now if they brought that rom to a Samsung devices or non HTC phine, then its original.
Original development: any ROM that is compiled from source and has revolutionary features in it. Examples cyanogenmod, AOKP,PAC man, Paranoid Android, BAKED,Slim Bean etc. Those are all examples of original development. If someone downloads or compiles a source based ROM. Then adds their tweaks apps etc,that would be normal development. Basically original development is cutting edge stuff.