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I'm getting tired of all the knock off roms that are all the same.
There are a few "real" devs that make good roms. But then a lot of people cooking roms, and just changing some pictures and stuff with no additional functions, or borrowing them from someone else's rom.
Roms with added apps or themes should go in the theme section, cause its not a new rom.
Post and vote if your tired of getting rom spammed.
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I'm not looking to fight but here's a real simple question...are you a dev? Are you contributing anything to the betterment of the community? If your answer is no then you like myself probably shouldn't throw stones. If you're unhappy don't use any of the available "spam" as you call it. Stick with your Sense and call it a day.
Just my 2 cents.
I would have to say yes. There are tons of knockoffs.
I had a whitey comment about a developer and rom that was a knockoff of Cyanogenmod's rom but I think it is better left unsaid.
PS: I don't think this belongs in this section but then again it does. So idk I wanna see the results of this poll.
Agreed, alot of these roms are just the same with diffrent apps and themes....they should be moved to themes and apps and stay out of development
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sounds like your mad that CM7 isnt out
im furious also
but comon unless you develop a rom then how about you just logout and delete the favorite from your browser.
cya
DanWalker said:
I'm not looking to fight but here's a real simple question...are you a dev? Are you contributing anything to the betterment of the community? If your answer is no then you like myself probably shouldn't throw stones. If you're unhappy don't use any of the available "spam" as you call it. Stick with your Sense and call it a day.
Just my 2 cents.
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personal attack removed. I guess you don't understand "community". Just because you don't dev a rom doesn't mean you don't take part in where the development goes. The OP is correct. There are alot of confused people who create roms that are themes. I have no issues having these roms if they simply stated they are themed roms. These types of roms should be moved in to the theme/apps. The development section should be Roms the deliver something different then the theme. Startup scripts. Modifications to the framework etc. We have a great community. I personally agree with the OP.
I guess why this is here.
There is a sticky about The General Public License. Yet we have plenty of devs that don't actually release what they are changing in their roms. This is as if they own these rights when they don't. To further development Developers should be releasing changes they made to the framework. What was changed, how it was changes, and how this change effects the phone. I don't see it. I see things like "Changes to the framework", "Other changes that I am missing" < How does this benefit anyone? This is an open source community. Maybe we should be more "open"
IMO
lithid-cm said:
you sir are an idiot. I guess you don't understand "community". Just because you don't dev a rom doesn't mean you don't take part in where the development goes. The OP is correct. There are alot of confused people who create roms that are themes. I have no issues having these roms if they simply stated they are themed roms. These types of roms should be moved in to the theme/apps. The development section should be Roms the deliver something different then the theme. Startup scripts. Modifications to the framework etc. We have a great community. I personally agree with the OP.
I guess why this is here.
There is a sticky about The General Public License. Yet we have plenty of devs that don't actually release what they are changing in their roms. This is as if they own these rights when they don't. To further development Developers should be releasing changes they made to the framework. What was changed, how it was changes, and how this change effects the phone. I don't see it. I see things like "Changes to the framework", "Other changes that I am missing" < How does this benefit anyone? This is an open source community. Maybe we should be more "open"
IMO
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I can't agree more with lithid. There are two others out there that seem to be taking lithids and making their own thred. Most are themes and shouldn't be in here. I like to test for preludedrew and lithid based roms but I hear the same complaining. Gps, whens 4g working, hdmi.
Just because you take another devs Rom and update it nightly doesn't make it your own. I personally gone from not understanding Android to recooking roms but why should I post it then ask for donations. Donations should be to those truly developing the roms like CM, Lithid, Prelude and so on.
I certainly don't want to start a war on this but its sickening to bounce from thred to thred and see the same stuff just different title.
Said my peace.. thanks to myn, lithid, CM, and prelude. Of course to all those that help them too.
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Stalte said:
I would have to say yes. There are tons of knockoffs.
I had a whitey comment about a developer and rom that was a knockoff of Cyanogenmod's rom but I think it is better left unsaid.
PS: I don't think this belongs in this section but then again it does. So idk I wanna see the results of this poll.
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Yeah, I know, my cyanogenmod knockoff sucks doesn't it...
Just kidding
Well a lot of phones dont have roms or good roms, so even if some roms copy at least we have people giving to the Evo community.
The more roms the better is my thought.
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you sir are an idiot. I guess you don't understand "community". Just because you don't dev a rom doesn't mean you don't take part in where the development goes. The OP is correct. There are alot of confused people who create roms that are themes. I have no issues having these roms if they simply stated they are themed roms. These types of roms should be moved in to the theme/apps. The development section should be Roms the deliver something different then the theme. Startup scripts. Modifications to the framework etc. We have a great community. I personally agree with the OP.
I guess why this is here.
There is a sticky about The General Public License. Yet we have plenty of devs that don't actually release what they are changing in their roms. This is as if they own these rights when they don't. To further development Developers should be releasing changes they made to the framework. What was changed, how it was changes, and how this change effects the phone. I don't see it. I see things like "Changes to the framework", "Other changes that I am missing" < How does this benefit anyone? This is an open source community. Maybe we should be more "open"
IMO
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100% spot on correct!!!!!
While anyone can make a contribution to not all of them are beneficial to the community.
brizzle1986 said:
Agreed, alot of these roms are just the same with diffrent apps and themes....they should be moved to themes and apps and stay out of development
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LMAO @ moved to themes and apps
bwhahahaha
goodboynyc said:
While anyone can make a contribution to not all of them are beneficial to the community.
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This thread is essentially pointless. Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one. This thread belongs in the q&a section, not development. Ironic the very thing complained about is the same thing occurring here. People are sharing their creations, like them or not. If not, don't download them. No good is going to come from saying people are all being copycats. I'm sure you feel my ROM is another useless creation as well, a 'knock off'. That's OK with me if you feel that way, plenty of other people like it. If you don't like it, don't download it.
Android is all about open source, this is why I have made threads like THIS ONE and THIS ONE so that others can see exactly what I have done and how to do it themselves.
Have a nice day
Ive taking the best features,tweaks etc from 4-5 different roms and made my own sweet rom but I wouldnt dare post it cause it's not my work, but that being said if proper credit is giving to the Devs is this really a issue??
Better to have too many than not enough. Even if they just change a couple of things then, imo, that could spark further creativity or development.
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You should ask the devs too. I think if a dev copies the whole rom and just basically theme it they shouldn't ask for money. But if they actually add features why not.
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I don't think they're knockoffs. Even the "knockoffs" take a great load of time and effort to make them. The Devs aren't always looking to please everyone and often make ROMS because a small group has asked them to. Competition is NEVER bad
More roms to chose from is better. Not all developers want to add certain tweaks consumers demand. For example the power bar tweak and etc... this post is useless and doesn't belong here.
OP if you don't like the variety of roms then don't read about them or even become curious of them. Don't waste pointless space in this forum. Thanks.
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there are just sooooo many "custom" roms out there right now and its hard to find things sometimes.
Can we get another section under development for kernels, aosp and sense
that would make it look alot prettier
SteelH said:
This thread is essentially pointless. Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one. This thread belongs in the q&a section, not development. Ironic the very thing complained about is the same thing occurring here. People are sharing their creations, like them or not. If not, don't download them. No good is going to come from saying people are all being copycats. I'm sure you feel my ROM is another useless creation as well, a 'knock off'. That's OK with me if you feel that way, plenty of other people like it. If you don't like it, don't download it.
Android is all about open source, this is why I have made threads like THIS ONE and THIS ONE so that others can see exactly what I have done and how to do it themselves.
Have a nice day
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X2 on all of that!
If you don't like it, don't download it....I like the freedom to choose. My friend has the incredible and gets mad that he doesn't have as much to choose from as I do.
I've been endlessly scouring this section of the forums for the last few weeks trying to figure out which rom would work best for me. There is one problem though, I can't for the life of me figure out which things work/do not work in each of the major roms. It's really important to me that nothing/minimal is broken in a rom that I choose. I'm hoping to make and maintain a list of specifically what does NOT work in each rom to help make the choices easier to sift through. The 1st posts of official rom threads usually have some things listed, but reading through the (million page) threads yields more issues.
The only problem, however, may be that most people are using a different combo of kernal/rom/hardware which obviously changes things, so I'm hoping to try and sift through that too. Perhaps make some tables to make it easier.
The Evo rom wiki has tables but only outlines basic functions.
*Mods: thought long and hard about which section to put this in, I think it's best served here.
*Devs: I'd love personal input here if possible. Thanks.
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*Mods: thought long and hard about which section to put this in, I think it's best served here
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Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
JoeLithium said:
Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
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Well, it is directly related to ROMs and development, but yeah if this isn't the right section please move it.
I totally understand the problem your having though. It's a bit unorganized but it's partially because of the vast development community that the Evo has. There is a wiki at the top of this section that might grant a little more insight. I don't know if it's exactly what your looking for.
P.S.
I do like to play "forum police" though I'm not a mod. I can understand why you posted here and it wasn't a blatant disregard for the rules. So no biggy to me anyway. The reason I get pissed is because it's already so cluttered that more threads make it that much harder.
You have to look in the OP of each thread in the android decelopement section and choose based on what you need from your phone and what you want. Myn's warm twopointtwo works perfectly for a sense rom and there is a cyanogenmod 7 beta with ewimax out now. So it has everything but HDMI working for a gingerbread aosp rom
Well here are some tips for you:
If it's a stock based Sense rom then everything should work unless the dev is an idiot.
If it's an AOSP rom then everything but hdmi and 4g should work (and 4g actually has a fix and can be made to work now)
If it's a port of another rom then hdmi, 4g, and typically the camera won't work (but this usually gets fixed). Sometimes various sensors aren't working properly either (like orientation)
We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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I had the same problem as you a while back. In my opinion, if you are rooted you have already done the hard work. You now have a custom recovery with nandroid, a godsend, which you can use to fall back on if anything were to go wrong. My advice would be to just take the plunge. Grab a handful of ROMS that sound suitable to your needs and start to flash them. If you get stuck in bootloops or the ROM isn't what you want, all you have to do is nandroid and start over. I would recommend to give each ROM at least 2 battery cycles before you decide. On my setup, it seems to take a bit to "settle in". I think if you tried to make tables of ALL possibilities it would be mind boggling to sift through.
I realize this isn't a direct answer to your question, its just my thoughts. Hope it helps and good luck!
eVoKINGS said:
We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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To the Op, If its sense based, nothing will be broken. If the rom is AOSP, then 4G and HDMI are broken, however Cyanogenmod is the only AOSP rom with a semi-functional 4G. Also if the rom is Gingerbread 4G, and HDMI are broken, and likewise again, Cyanogenmod 7 is the only Gingerbread mod with a semi-working 4G. The way the ROM's work right now unless its an alpha wimax ROM for AOSP, then flashing a different kernel won't affect the features of the ROM, unless you forgot to wipe before flashing. You can simplify your list down to 2 categories Sense and AOSP, if its SENSE everything works, if its AOSP, 4g and HDMI are broken, and under the AOSP you can list the 2 Alpha releases of wimax for Cyanogen.
Simply put, if you want everything to work, then try these Sense based Roms:
Mikfroyo: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883026
Myn's Warm: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471
Calkulin's EVIO: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745205
If you don't mind not having 4G(or don't live in a 4G area), and don't plan to use HDMI, then check out these AOSP Roms:
MIUI: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915527
Cyanogen mod 6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735596
Evervolv (gingerbread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878020
Cyanogen mod7 (gingerbread): 2 Links below
ROM: http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?type=nightly&device=supersonic
GAPPS: http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-gb-20110120-signed.zip
*****To eVoKINGS******
Learn manners please KINGS, the guy thought he had the correct section, and apologized if it was the incorrect section and requested it be moved. If you don't like it don't post in it, he was already informed by others that it was the incorrect section, and then you had to try and jump down his throat about it.
Your posts are composed like they belong to a 12 year old kid googling words to sound older. You can't blame it on auto-correct, I use my EVO to compose a-lot of text messages and the words are never misspelled because I proof read what I type with it, so that I don't come across jabbering like an idiot.
And yes i realize my retort back at Kings is completely contradictory to what I had just typed.
Thanks so much. I was just trying to help the 'tweeners' in my position, those who have some but not too much experience with roms. And the entire reason I even asked/bothered to offer my time was because each ROM thread has numerous issues that are hard to decipher as being general widespread issues, or single isolated issues, and the process of sifting through gargantuan threads is pretty tedious.
small example: some roms have keyboard display issues
But I digress
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And to eVoKings, yeah it's awesome that you take a kernel and rom and twist the hell out of it, but in the end I'm the one using the kernel/rom and still want it to be fully functional (and everybody has a different definition of what exactly that constitutes). I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people who actually THANK devs, it's great. But you have to learn to take criticism too (even if it's free)
Keep the thread alive and up guys.
Here are some very nice suggestion!
Hello community.
As you all know and see there two different thread
Original Android Development
Android Development
In this two thread you can find different ROMs.
Therefore it is in some cases difficult to distinguish in which thread a ROM have to be. Some DEVs (@ the Android Development) think they are at the wrong place but the Mods doesnt want to move their thread.
Please make here you choice if you want the old subdivision (only Android Development) oder if you like the new one (Original Android Development and Android Development).
It would be nice if you can leave here your reasons for your choice..
Uh quite nice!?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16205643&postcount=186
https://twitter.com/#!/VillainROM/status/98306513713635328
I quote it in case of be deleted, VillainROM Tweet 2 Aug. 10.17 am:
@VillainROM
VillainROM
LMFAO mate @Fysi. Can you vote for the 2 forum system at http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1198080 ^P
What are the interests of Villain Team, to keep forums separated?
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Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16295037&postcount=27
More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc
Nice idea but i dont think that radios should have an extra thread. They can sty with kernels.
What do you mean with
roms(org/non)
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org/non = original/non Samsung or original/non AD?
veyka said:
More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc
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+1
It is nice not seeing a 'new' rom being posted every two minutes where the only difference is the theme.
Perhaps the section titles could be a little bit clearer, For example: Android Development, and the other section called Themed Roms?
Id like to see even more splitting for ROM+Kernel and Kernel only releases, Its really a PIA sometimes to sort the threads out when your looking for something and it kinda scares off the newbie with a ton load of information and choices presented to him when his just looking for something specific.
Id say have a separate release for ROM+Kernel in 1 subforum and another for kernel only.
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veyka said:
More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc
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I think that tagging is very important, I prefer only one section, but with very stricted thread's TAGGING...
And I think that is very important explain the non-cosmetic changes in every ROM.
Regards!
Exactly, strict tagging, good references as to where the rom was based on, and credits where needed.
One thread.
only one Android Development
One forum for development, one for roms and stuff. I have no interest in reading about the majority of the problems people have in installing a ROM, but would be interested in seeing the technical threads (if we still have technical threads here...)
Merge the Development forums again and require [ROM] and a date in the subject.
Require all [ROM]'s built from another 'original' rom's sources to have [DERIVATIVE] or something like to identify them with a link to the source rom in the thread.
Pull [KERNAL]'s out to a second forum, again require a date.
Create a 'Technical' forum and move all the discussion, speculation and stickies that clutter up the other ROM forums into here.
Create new forum for non-android development (like Backtrack or potential Linux releases).
I would suggest using [KERNEL] instead
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i would suggest using [kernel] instead
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Even if they decided to split they shouldn't be partial. Why is villain and darky rom in original development? They both look similar to stock to me with some mods.
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Personally, I like the idea of having a forum specifically for new ROMs. I can see the benefit of keeping modifications to ROMs in one forum and the real thing in another.
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Even if they decided to split they shouldn't be partial. Why is villain and darky rom in original development? They both look similar to stock to me with some mods.
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Not stock kernel for starters on VR and that's the core of it .
jje
I like the idea of keeping photoshop roms separate from true developer roms like CM7.
Seriously, everyone who can use winzip and photoshop can make a rom and publish here, and from the looks of it, they do. It it were up to me, I'd actually not open a separate board, I'd delete them all.
As the creation of two separate dev boards was not motivated by any intention to make the forum easier for the user I'd have to say merge them back please. Seeing how it was motivated by greed and favoritism, indicated by the ROMs placement on one board or the other, I'd say screw this nazi maneuver, get your head out of your asses and realize you're all just tweakers and the ONLY REAL DEVELOPER IS SAMSUNG AND THE CM7 TEAM. So as the two forums are, only stock ROM and CM7 should be in the "real" dev forum. The rest of you take OTHERS work and tweak it (yes make it better etc etc, and we are all grateful for that). But come on you're not some super genius hacker dev here (and YES I appreciate your work and have donated but you are not "original developers"). As stated above this is about a "good ole' boys club", nothing else. Pathetic.
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As the creation of two separate dev boards was not motivated by any intention to make the forum easier for the user I'd have to say merge them back please. Seeing how it was motivated by greed and favoritism, indicated by the ROMs placement on one board or the other, I'd say screw this nazi maneuver, get your head out of your asses and realize you're all just tweakers and the ONLY REAL DEVELOPER IS SAMSUNG AND THE CM7 TEAM. So as the two forums are, only stock ROM and CM7 should be in the "real" dev forum. The rest of you take OTHERS work and tweak it (yes make it better etc etc, and we are all grateful for that). But come on you're not some super genius hacker dev here (and YES I appreciate your work and have donated but you are not "original developers"). As stated above this is about a "good ole' boys club", nothing else. Pathetic.
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+1 nothing to add
+1... So many stock Samsung roms are still in original development forum. All this is nothing but favoritism.
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Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Hey Man, I am much similar to where you are right now. I am not new to Nexus S or Android, but I feel that the abundance of ROMs is a good thing.
Having so many ROMs shows that the device is still running very strong: Something Android phones NEED to have behind them.
On the other hand I dislike it. To all the developers out there, I think you guys are amazing and genius no doubt. So take the following lightly...
What people don't like to see when browsing for a ROM is a dozen ROMs that are all identical. We need something new and fresh, hence why I like MIUI.
What I think should be done is as you said, have co-operation to make one master ROM because we have hundreds of people in the Nexus S community ready to help.
Speaking on my behalf I HATE SO MANY ROMs Because I simply cannot decide which is best because they are all similar in many ways, and I don't have time to try each one out as much as I want to. I do like having these ROMs but when it comes to choosing one its a big choice for me.
Any feedback on this?
I agree with a not so great abundance or ROMs. But most are not devs. They are simply "chefs" because they never actually developed anything. They just price and scrap things from source to mods. Cm9, ASOP, Peter A(because of his radios and kernal) are devs. We have lots of chefs.
I made brickROM just because of this situation. Its never been done, but the community wasn't ready for it yet.
Either way you can tell what rom has Is "real" I would say there's about only 5
And its sad for new Android users that come here get presided by a catching slogan and rob themselves from using a much better rom
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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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But these futures found in everyone's ROM are just mods that you can flash. I flash 8 zips with every rom update but I know that a personal mix so I have no need to share it.
I'm capiale of changing my waklppaer
I flash custom font, and inverted apps with some tyranny Widgets and kernal. With gnex sounds. No reason to "cook" it. This is not development.
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suksit said:
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I am agree with you CyanogenMod need a bug tracker for CM9.
Here is an interesting fact in case anyone didn't know but MR. Cyanogen himself is rocking a Nexus S http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/status/153353404159234049
I wonder what build of ICS he is running, probably from his own private reserve...
joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development) and CyanogenMod 7 has the theme chooser integrated for easy themeing(check the last three links in my signature to see some themes I created for it).
I don't think any mod team have contributed more to Android than the CyanogenMod Team, they certainly have my respect for that.
I agree about the spices, all these chefs cooking the same exact entree and now which on to choose...
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development)
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
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I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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This^^ plus one thing, good all these chefs are popping up, that's showing a swell in number of people interested in development, in the end it can only have a positive outcome. Let em dev.
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It's a fact, not a problem.
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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Sorry if I interpreted it wrong (English is not my native language anyway ) I thought you're trying to imply that "since MIUI is based on CM, @LGIQEXPO shouldn't compare them together" or "if you like MIUI, it means you already liked CM." Just wanted to say that it is not a problem if one wants to compare those two.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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Occasionally I'd see a thread titled "Help me decide which ROM is best" and the most popular answer would be "Why don't you try them all?" Yeah it would be madness to try all 20+ ROMs in a row, but I don't think anyone will do that.
Before flashing a ROM, I'd (suggest them to) read everything in the first few posts by the OP, and take a look at the screenshots (most of the time I can decide if I will like this ROM or not by these two factors) If those "noobs" are not too ignorant I believe they'll have a small list of ROM(s) they want to try (may be 4-5 choices, which is reasonable.)
I know it is on the same code, but I more so meant the apps that MIUI re-did for their ROMs, and how they offer a nice end user appeal.
What would be amazing is if all the known devs of these ROMs would just once come together to use their own strengths, and make a mast ROM out of it. MIUI Design and style, Cyanogen tweaks and speed, Peter A. stability, the overclocking everything! (I can't wait for that hahah )
you want fewer rom, get a ns4g. Although we only have a fraction of the roms found in the other forum, they all seem to have their own distinct character.
i was using an SII before this so i was a frequent on that part of xda.. they do have a separate page for original development and another one for development (being kitchen products)
Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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Thanks for adding your voice to the discourse.
If I was asked to offer an opinion on what you do, this is what I would say....
I think what you do is okay for you, but the problem is when you release it. There is a problem because as you state, you cherry pick features and/or "code" from other ROMs, and that can/will lead to issues for your user base. Lets take for example the T9 dialer, what happens when security bugs are found and fixed and optimizations make it into an update of the T9 dialer? Well that would mean you would need to update your ROM, but what if you're busy with your job or just with life and are too busy to get around to it? Well now your users of your ROM are without those security, bug fixes and optimizations, and multiply that by all the other pieces of the ROM that you cherry picked from other sources.
My point here to be clear is that due to the nature of your ROM, it will always lag in patches to security issues, bug fixes and optimizations and I think that is ultimately a disservice to your user base.
There is a value that you create, so I guess the question here is, does that value of bringing all these pieces into one convenient package outweigh the negatives of the lagging patches/fixes?
I mean no offense, and I hope this isn't taken as such, I just want to encourage some discourse on these things...
I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
anonymous572 said:
I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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huh?
im yet to see what this section is for too
panyan said:
im yet to see what this section is for too
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Yea ive seen it on other sections before, But I dont fully understand it
What the hell is 'original development' ??
What is the current development ? Un original ?
whats with the need to add un-necessary sub sections ? It just fuels confusion
Maybe "original" means "real". So there will be a chance to distinguish between cloning/adding/tweaking from development
Do we need / want it ?? I think we should open up a poll and pass the results on to the mod(s)
We had a similar thing in the HTC One S forums, Where they added a subsection for Tmobile Versions, It was totally un-needed as there were no differences between the 2 devices. We made a poll and the section got removed.
Sometimes these things do more bad than good, As if the flashing procedure isnt difficult enough already, What with the brickbug and all that.
If you think its a good idea to remove it, Ill open a poll before the section gets full with stuff.
Why not wait a little bit and see what it should be used for?
One Mod will explain sooner or later...
lets just hope its something useful
Is it so hard to understand? All stuff about original roms goes in there.
What do you mean Original ROMs ? Things like Stock TW ROMs ? Or does that include Custom ROMs too ?
Only in the SGS2 threads the 'original' section is full of custom ROMs and kernels too.
I mean this device is almost 12months old, We've survived without it.
Im just old fashioned Change freaks me out
Confusing?
Hate It?
Simply Don't Open It
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I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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wish you could enlighten us on how it was a unique crap and a **** for s2 then?
original = stock = cooked roms
the other thread will be for "really" developed roms i.e, aokp/aosp/cm9 variants
So if some one builds a ROM based on Cynogen Mod from scratch..will it be in original section or since its from CM it will be in Development
btw this was the rule posted there
The following are most likely “Original Development”:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)
i get the idea to separate the genuine development from the WinZip one, but it may not be that easy in practice to distinguish those lying somewhere in between
See Here
XDA, the moderators and the powers that be.... have been wrestling with trying to differentiate the Difference between the Code-writing Development and the Quasi-developers that use rom cooking tools.
To that end we will be going through the development threads in the next couple of weeks and moving the appropriate threads that meet the original code requirement to be placed in this new forum.
Please bear in mind that this is a "Work in Progress" and will take a bit of time to hone and perfect what goes where.
Also, please understand that this does not mean that some developers are on some special pedestal. That is not the case.
I will use an analogy to explain:
A music composer writes an original piece of music. The music composition may be awesome... but his performance of it, may not.
Such often is the case in developers..... often someone comes up with a awesome idea or new code application, but it often ends up being perfected by the use of others putting their creative spin on it.
That is the beauty of The Android Platform and ....XDA provides a fertile field for all to share ideas and collectively improve our experience
I hope this clarifys the potential questions
Thanks from the Moderators
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At the end of the day everything is built from something else but what they are getting at is ROMs that are just other roms with maybe a new theme and tweaks taken from else where would just be in the normal development.
But if you came up with something new and different (not just a rehash of other peoples work) then it should go in original development
Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.
Want me to start a poll?
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Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.
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Want me to start a poll?
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It makes alot of sense, will make it easy to find new and 'bigger' development work against the small tweaked roms which while important are starting to fill up the forum
It was tested in the S2 forums and has been rolling out XDA wide so theres not alot a poll will do, in honour of the hitch hikers guide of the galaxy, the plans have been on show for quite some time, if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout.