From teardown of i9000, it has:
512MB SLC Nand, and (384MB LPDDR + 128 MB [2 piece 166Mhz Mobile DDR] ) OneNand, all packaged on a MPC with the PowerVr+Hummingbird core.
Then a 16GB piece MoviNand (samsung's version of MLC based eMMC), all manufactured by samsung.
If it's right, then all the galaxy s phones (i9000(m), vibrant, captivate.. etc) only have 512MB of true fast Nand rom, could be the cause of the lag issues.
Although I don't have a teardown of the Fascinate and Epic, I'd assume they are the same as the GSM versions, with the exception of a 1GB/2GB MLC nand replacing the 16GB MoviNand (ie. they have only 512MB SLC Nand too).
Samsung is very smart when it comes to lowering the BoM and ip costs in building this high spec android phone.
By comparison, SE Xperia X10 has a 2x512MB (1GB total) fast Micron SLC Nand rom, 3 piece 384MB of LPDDR (166Mhz, x16*2+x32) higher bandwidth than i9000's. Nand + Ram made by Micron (which makes superior ic's compared to samsung).
HD2, and Sprint Evo 4G all have the same MCP made by Hynix; Google Nexus One and Htc desire share a MCP made by samsung, even though they have different specified Ram amounts (512MB vs 576MB), could be caused by the different allocations of available OneNand?
It is very likely, that the minimum requirement for Android 3.o is not 512MB ram, but 512MB rom, (Android, like Maemo, is very good at memory management). I'd say that the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 is actually more "future proof" than the i9000, and the HTC phones released so far.
hopefully what you analyzed is true! I really don't want 2.1 to be the last software update on my X10.
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It is very likely, that the minimum requirement for Android 3.o is not 512MB ram, but 512MB rom, (Android, like Maemo, is very good at memory management). I'd say that the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 is actually more "future proof" than the i9000, and the HTC phones released so far.
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You had me until here. There is no "minimum requirement" listed for Android 3.0, since it hasn't been announced yet.
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You had me until here. There is no "minimum requirement" listed for Android 3.0, since it hasn't been announced yet.
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No, the next version of android hasn't been officially announced, but I think you'll find that future android devices running high end branch of android from SE (and other manufactures) will at least 1GB of nand rom.
SE Xperia X10 has a 2x512MB (1GB total) fast Micron SLC Nand rom
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can anyone explain me this part .....
For example, an OMAP4440 based 864*480 (Sharp panel for SE, a first i think ) device that's in the works ...
This may be pulling the strings bit too far but are U max from esato?
If yes, is there any truth in the psp phone rumor? Also, what are the next devices, the X10 successors lined up for in terms of Processor and GPU?
Also the galaxy S has a better CPU and GFX card, so the better RAm in the X10 wont do to make it more future proof.
Yes, SE will release Gingerbread for X10 in 2013 - after the machines take over.
More than any device specs holding back updates for existing phones is that SE & others don't want to give you a free update. Why would they want to provide you with a update to prolong the life of your phone, when they could sell you or your provider a new one for actual money . Future proof is a myth built in obsolescence is the reality.
Am I correct in assuming you are associated with Sony Ericcson somehow (SE-MC as your nick)? I only ask because it clearly creates a conflict of interest for you to decide between both devices fairly.
NAND imho is considered to be flash, not RAM. Samsung officially said that they had 512MB RAM. In the case this unit didn't have 512MB LPDDR, it would mean they lied during the announcement: http://www.samsung.com/ph/news/newsR...ype=globalnews , as the OneNAND/MoviNand site differentiates between flash and RAM too. I have emailed them though to ask specifically.
We never really had issues with Micron or Samsung RAM at the Apple reseller I worked at. Micron might possibly be better, but you probably wont notice any differences unless you start over-clocking.
You forget that the i9000 has a MUCH faster GPU (90million triangles vs the X10 one), 802.11n, BT3 and REAL multitouch. Also, if you are writing an article, shouldn't you perform your own teardown so you can be 100% sure of what you are writing about? Anyway, in almost any synthetic benchmark at the moment (not that they matter), Galaxy S is ahead. The X10 however is probably ahead in photo quality.
Both phones are suited towards different audiences really, and both have their own benefits. I'd expect the Galaxy S to have a longer useful timespan though.. Sony Ericsson 9 months after announcement have announced plenty of new phones, but haven't even updated Android to 2.0. They clearly have the resources, but their priorities seem to be capturing more of the market, rather than helping their existing customers. If anything, SE's attitude suggests A3 wont be ported to the X10. The X10 likely never attracted the kind of people who will port Android 3 by themselves either (1.6 is too old for developers). Sony Ericsson also have a strong history of using software to upsell customers.
Anyway, it depends on what your requirements are. Neither Sony Ericsson nor Samsung are known for great long term software support, ROM's for Froyo have already been leaked by Samsung for the Galaxy S, whereas, there is very little evidence that SE are actively working on upgrading theirs (seriously, by now they should have at least gotten 2.0).
Despite my uses for a camera Flash, I ended up settling on the Galaxy S though. It's up to people to make their own choice, but I personally believe that the SE is the better long term choice.
Yes, SE will release Gingerbread for X10 in 2013 - after the machines take over.
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Impossible cause the worlds gonna end in 2012. No Gingerbread for us x10 users.
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is there any truth in the psp phone rumor? Also, what are the next devices, the X10 successors lined up for in terms of Processor and GPU?
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Not very likely is it, with psp neXt gen coming . The 2 divisions operates quite independently. However, an android device (running a 'high end' branch of android ) is currently in internal testing, based on TI's OMAP4400 series, and paired with LPDDR2 I believe, since the performance put that of samsung's i9000 to shame. I don't know if this is the *supposed* psp phone, but it does have an unusually wide aspect ratio screen (864*480) which could suggest a gaming 'portal' is coming to select future se devices.
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NAND imho is considered to be flash, not RAM. Samsung officially said that they had 512MB RAM. In the case this unit didn't have 512MB LPDDR, it would mean they lied during the announcement: http://www.samsung.com/ph/news/newsR...ype=globalnews , as the OneNAND/MoviNand site differentiates between flash and RAM too. I have emailed them though to ask specifically.
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Nand is not 'considered' to be flash, it is flash. OneNand is just a mcp with 'flash' + ram. The problem is, on samsung mobile's own devices, i9000 in particular, are some custom mcp's that are not publicly available. There are some mcp's used here which have comparable public offerings (from samsung semi), the application processor for example; but even they are slightly different. Making analysis a bit painful, some purely based on experience.
I have a X10a but let's face it.
Galaxy S is the better smartphone now and will be in Q4 too.
While X10 will run 2.1, Galaxy S will run 2.2 which will give better performance.
Who cares about long distant future?
Next year, this time, probably only 20% of the current X10 'geek' owners will still have the X10.
The rest will move to better smartphones 1.2Ghz, 1.5Ghz, dual core, etc.
The usual, non geek, owner won't care anyway if he has 1.6, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, etc as hong as he can make calls, listen a few mp3s and take some nice snapshots.
Even the galaxy s has a life span so don't think that it will get 3.0 since Samsung support stinks
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If Android 3.0 will be "standalone" (only rumour yet) you dont need SE to install it in the X10.
Yes, the i9000 have better specifications, better graphic card, but and the construction? next year, half will had problems... they are having problems now.
I have changed HTC to SE because of all the problems i had with HTC, GPS no working, vibrate not working, etc etc... i'm tired of these problems.
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Yes, SE will release Gingerbread for X10 in 2013 - after the machines take over.
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At 8:30 am, SE became self aware.
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If Android 3.0 will be "standalone" (only rumour yet) you dont need SE to install it.
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Not with with a locked bootloader you won't!
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You forget that the i9000 has a MUCH faster GPU (90million triangles vs the X10 one)
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Bah... you should consider stopping repeating other people's **** when it makes no sense.
According to those numbers, that phone is like 2 times faster than a GameCube
Now if you look at GLBenchmark, it's not quite 90 millions per second, but more like 7 millions textured triangles per second while the snapdragon seems to cap at around 2 millions in all tests, and the older power VR in the droid does 2.5 millions.
The Galaxy S is thus quite faster in those benchmark.
Now that's a benchmark, in actual games/apps, you don't care about that, what you want is your framerate to stay higher than 30fps, and in this case what you get is more like 30.000 textured and lit tris per frame max on a snapdragon (X10), 37.000 tris on a PowerVR (moto droid) and around 65.000 on a Galaxy S.
So it's certainly faster like a bit more than 2 times faster than the older snapdragon, but those "90 millions triangles per second" are totally made up.
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Nand is not 'considered' to be flash, it is flash. OneNand is just a mcp with 'flash' + ram. The problem is, on samsung mobile's own devices, i9000 in particular, are some custom mcp's that are not publicly available. There are some mcp's used here which have comparable public offerings (from samsung semi), the application processor for example; but even they are slightly different. Making analysis a bit painful, some purely based on experience.
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Or assumptions/guessing, as it seems to be in this case..
just saw on this website http://www.popherald.com/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-plus-iphone-5-release-date/7595 and i was supprise that samsung have made Samsung Galaxy S II Plus,more faster and powerful procesor,but then they might change the name of it before they release it
I thought the galaxy sii mini was going to be like this but only a single core 1.4ghz cpu which seems more likely. Why would they release a phone with a slightly faster processor, its not like the current phone is slow and surely the current phone will get 2.3.4 soon anyway.
Just about everyone using Tegrak's OC tool has been able to hit 1.4 GHz. Heck, even some kernels are being released at 1.504 GHz stock. So, the CPUs in our devices are perfectly capable of the 1.2 -> 1.4 jump, just not sure what the point to all that is given everything runs smooth already at 1.0GHz even.
Seems overly pointless to me, when a firmware & kernel upgrade could easily handle the 1.4GHz upgrade and provide 2.3.4 at the same time.
There will no doubt be other 'new' features(NFC hardware etc) but if that's the main selling point of the phone then I'll kinda lose a little respect for my beloved Samsung. The least they could do is develop their chip to run at 2GHz stably and develop a battery that can keep it running for a whole weekend without needing to be charged. That'd be an upgrade worth paying for.
hey samsung come on guys how about selling in the us first before making newer models
So I've been looking into getting a DVP when I came across the problem where no one really knows how much RAM it has.
Since the phone sees it as having 256mb while advertising says it has 512mb, I think the following will be a problem:
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-tango-limitations-officially-confirmed
Will DVP users be limited on the available apps? If so, this is a big turn off on me getting the phone.
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Did I jump the gun and miss the part where the NoDo update fixed it to properly read 512mb?
Someone please confirm
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Also, can anyone tell me if the Wifi issues are fixed with the latest updates?
Just wondering before I go for it.
Thanks!
The VP always had 512mb ram, it merely wasnt displayed properly in the launch version of WP7.
You must be confused on what tango as a whole is, it allows manus to push out lower spec phones while still being able to use wp7 on them.
Previously they required 512mb ram (among other things), you couldnt make a wp7 phone below the spec requirements.
There's currently no phones out based on the 'low-end' specs, and those would be the ones that cant run high mem apps. the lumia 610 isnt even out yet (unless i'm mistaken).
There's ultimately only 3 available WP7 chassis (that all manus base their design off of):
WP7 Launch: QSD8250 + 512mb ram (1st gen snapdragon)
Chassis update 1: MSM8255 + 512mb ram (2nd gen snapdragon)
Chassis update 2: APQ8055+MDM9200 + 512mb ram (2nd gen snapdragon) (current high end for WP7)
Upcoming tango chassis: MSM7227A + 256mb ram (low-end 1st gen snapdragon)
The new low-end tango devices will be based on hardware of compariable age to the WP7 launch chassis, but that wont affect any current and future owners that arnt using a low end device.
The low end chassis isnt really interesting except for those that want a really inexpensive WP7 device (it makes sense too, it sounds like a good way to increase marketshare). WP7 is two full generations behind, as 4th gen snapdragons are rolling out now.
Very least it'll be more energy effecient as the update2 chassis uses two chips, the first is the SoC/CPU and the 2nd is a seperate modem. 4th gen snapdragons have LTE built in and are 28nm, so they're going to be faster and more energy efficient (those two are multiplicative and not merely additive, a faster chip that uses less energy gets stuff done faster and uses less energy in that less time).
Though there doesnt seem to be a terribly large library of things that can push hardware on WP7. WP7 does have the smallest library currently because it's the smallest marketshare out of the 3 major OS's.
The first part of your response is what I was looking for I think.
I get the point of what Tango is, with allowing lower spec units and all. I was just worried about this one little detail:
"Windows Phone Marketplace app restrictions – Some processor-intensive apps have memory requirements, and will not work on phones with 256 MB of RAM."
Since I was reading everywhere that the DVP reports to the OS as having 2xxMB ram, it would have problem with apps down the road. The app would read that it has 2xxMB and deny download.
But from what I can understand from your response, if you have the latest updates on the phone (7.5 Mango?), you should not have a problem.
So it should show 4xxMB granted everything is up to date and everything will work fine and dandy?
All current WP7 devices have 512mb ram period, they dont show all of it because the gpu takes up a slice of the system ram.
This is true for any device that has a gpu but the gpu doesnt have it's own memory to work with.
MS takes this into account, only newer low end devices will not meet the ram requirements.
Well there I have it. lol
Thanks!
Now on the hunt for a DVP!
Hi everyone,
So I am about to order a Tronsmart T428, as after some research I have concluded that it looks like the best Android stick out there.
It has the new wifi chip (Broadcom AP6330), which supports 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz wifi and Bluetooth 4.0. The rest is basically the same with all the RK3188 chip Android sticks (Quad 1.8Ghz/2GB RAM/8GB ROM/Support for microsd and 1 full sized USB2.0).
But, as every new technology it has some bugs, mostly in XBMC which is why I have been postponing the purchase.
Now I have found the Exoon Q2 Mini Dongle has a new ROM, which supposedly enabled hardware acceleration on XBMC and promises a smooth performance (please see here).
When comparing the hardware of the 2 products, I find it 100% identical (from reading the specifications).
Could anyone confirm that? Would the Exoon Q2 Mini Dongle ROM work with the T428?
If this would be true, it would make these small pens an extremely good buy, as the media center abilities are the biggest selling point for me).
Please let me know what you think.
Exoon's other devices are just the Minix Neo X5 and G4 just put a different sticker and added a 100 buck on to the price the rom dev has his roms on MINIX forums if you load one you get the Exoon boot logo so yes they will probably work but finless Bob makes better Roms
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I see exynos 4412 as SoC for the q2, t428 has rk3188
Sorry my bad it is this one..
http://w2comp.com/detail.asp?catid=74585&Pdtid=700200
Still 100 bucks cheaper
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Thank you all for the replies.
@quincyquinn
I still don't have the T428, waiting for it to arrive as I already ordered 3 . This thread was made due to the fact that I was reading the Exoon claim that they have developed a ROM for their Q2 and Q2 mini stick which has flawless playback in XBMC with hardware acceleration, something that T428 still did not have (or at least I thought that they did not have).
When comparing the specifications they even have the same WIFI chip, so I was not sure if their ROM would've been better on the T428 than the current official ROM.
Good to hear that there is something better to use, its a pity we don't have a place on XDA for the Android development for these devices.
As for the link you have posted, thanks for the suggestion, but it's not only the slower CPU but also the fact that it only has 1GB of RAM that puts me of. Plus it is more expensive than the T428.
@NixZero
Please see the specifications for Exoon Q2 mini dodge here
And for T428 here
Unless I am missing something they look to be exactly the same on the hardware side, with both of them using the same RK3188 chip.
Have a nice day.
Johev;41965574
Please see the specifications for Exoon Q2 mini dodge [URL="http://www.xbmcandroidtv.com/android-products/android-media-players/exoon-q2-mini.html" said:
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And for T428 here
Unless I am missing something they look to be exactly the same on the hardware side, with both of them using the same RK3188 chip.
Have a nice day.
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yeah, they looks like exactly the same dongle with just a different sticker, I was looking at the q2 box (why the heck they call everything with the same name?) which has a samsung cpu.
in theory you should be able to buy a 428 (less expensive) and burn one of their roms to get any advantage they have but looks like they still have to make a custom rom, there's not even a specific forum page for the new dongle on their forums.
the "firmware" page refers to the samsung one, not the new rk3188.
Exoon Roms are just custom Roms for the T428 they will not work any better than any custom ROM. Finless Bob and a few more make better Roms for these rock chip devices but the big problem is rockchip do not release source code for any chip so xbmc devs any limited to what they can do this is why the Samsung chip might be a better in the long run
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Thank you all for your replies. I still hope RK3188 will get their source code released, it is still a relatively new chip and apparently with a good performance. If RK3066 has XBMC working correctly, it is just a matter of time to get it working on this new quad core edition with a slightly higher clock .
By the way, yesterday the new firmware for the T428 has been released (4.2.2) with working bluetooth and netflix improvements. I should be getting mine next week, so I will be able to give more information about the performance.
Back to the topic, if EXOON is claiming a flawless play for 1080p content on XBMC on their Q2 and Q2 mini dodge, by this logic owners of T428 should be able to have that also.
B&N is struggling to get out its latest Nook, model BNRV1100, they call the "Glowlight 4". We've been using "Glow4" as shorthand for the 7.8" Glowlight that came after the Glow3. This appears to be a 6".
https://goodereader.com/blog/barnes...le-nook-glowlight-4-is-coming-out-in-december
There are a bunch of up-to-date improvements, including 32 GB, Bluetooth and USB C. This is not made by Netronix (NTX), so it's a departure from all the other Glows. The new Glowlight has not been sighted in the wild yet.
Ha! They already have manifests up for software updates. The code name is "Gentoo".
http://www.nook.com/services/cms/doc/epd_ota/BNRV1100_manifest_rel.json
The processor is an Allwinner sun8iw15p1, quad core, 1.5 GHz
It's Android 8.1
The fingerprint is NOOK/E60P54_android/E60P54_android:8.1.0/e1404efd13/8.1.1.19_user
It is 6" and the display is Eink ED060KH6C2, 300 DPI, 1072 x 1448, capacitive touch screen
The Adobe RMSDK version is 9.3.1.449, no big jump here.
This is in fact a Netronix (NTX) device.
Gentoo as in Linux distribution? I see they want to create as much as possible havok in googled searches as humanly achievable. Chip change also. But still decent specs on paper. Waiting to see the review of device when someone hunt it down in the wild.
I forgot about @FerociousAndroid 's thread, so let's continue this over at their place.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/new-nook-glow-light-4.4363453/