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Fascinate to get Gingerbread likely.

This is based on the Galaxy tab announcement. Since Verizon is likely to carry the TAB and the Tab and fascinate are nearly clones.
"The Galaxy Tab will include Android 2.2, called Froyo, and will be upgradable to Android 3.0, called Gingerbread, Hong said."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20015400-264.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave#ixzz0yNrxRWWc

I REALLY doubt it.

wrxlvr said:
I REALLY doubt it.
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Have to ask, why do you doubt it?
Samsung just said today the TAB will get gingerbread.
Verizon is the carrier most rumoured to be carrying the TAB. All the spy shots have been of a CDMA version of the TAB. The TAB and the Fascinate are clones sans the front camera.

orateam said:
Have to ask, why do you doubt it?
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Probably because samsung isn't reliable when it comes to android upgrade promises.
cyanogenmod seems interested in Galaxy S phones, so there will be gingerbread for fascinate.
Just not from samsung, probably.

Let me clarify. I think it'll get it. Eventually. Just don't expect it anytime soon. It will HOPEFULLY see Froyo by the end of September, but Samsung isn't known for speedy updates (Verizon either), so we'll have to see.
Word is that Samsung is taking the Android line pretty seriously though, so there's still hope for them yet.

wrxlvr said:
Let me clarify. I think it'll get it. Eventually. Just don't expect it anytime soon. It will HOPEFULLY see Froyo by the end of September, but Samsung isn't known for speedy updates (Verizon either), so we'll have to see.
Word is that Samsung is taking the Android line pretty seriously though, so there's still hope for them yet.
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Yeah thats what i'm seeing. Samsung is putting alot of resources to getting android up to speed and competitive with apple.

engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-we-are-prioritizing-our-android-platform
Looks they're going all-in with their galaxy s line so I really hope they update it to Gingerbread.

orateam said:
Have to ask, why do you doubt it?
Samsung just said today the TAB will get gingerbread.
Verizon is the carrier most rumoured to be carrying the TAB. All the spy shots have been of a CDMA version of the TAB. The TAB and the Fascinate are clones sans the front camera.
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Looks like it is a CDMA version, but it is going to Sprint...
boygeniusreport.com/2010/09/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-coming-to-sprint

Epell said:
Probably because samsung isn't reliable when it comes to android upgrade promises.
cyanogenmod seems interested in Galaxy S phones, so there will be gingerbread for fascinate.
Just not from samsung, probably.
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that's the dumbest **** i've heard all day. this is the most invested phone in Samsung history.

boodies said:
that's the dumbest **** i've heard all day. this is the most invested phone in Samsung history.
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Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.

Epell said:
Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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Actually, your comments are moot. Samsung said we will be getting 2.2 this month and um, we probably are? Sure companies are human and they make mistakes. Just take a look at apple and htc. But if you can't see the fact that this phone is Samsungs cashcow, and they are going to juiced the **** out of it, I won't be able to hold a knowledgeable conversation with you. Not sure what phone you have but if that's your only reason for not purchasing a sgs, too bad.

boodies said:
Actually, your comments are moot. Samsung said we will be getting 2.2 this month and um, we probably are? Sure companies are human and they make mistakes. Just take a look at apple and htc. But if you can't see the fact that this phone is Samsungs cashcow, and they are going to juiced the **** out of it, I won't be able to hold a knowledgeable conversation with you. Not sure what phone you have but if that's your only reason for not purchasing a sgs, too bad.
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I thought this thread was about gingerbread, not froyo.
I think SGS will get froyo (most likely anyway).
I just can't think this is a mistake. Mistake is something one makes once(maybe twice) and by accident.
Having less than satisfactory long term support for almost all of the android devices made by samsung certainly isn't "mistake".
Samsung gets money by selling their phones, not by upgrading OS. Although if they keep up this weak long term support, they might lose future buyers.
Yeah, samsung already shipped 1+mil SGS devices, so this one might be different. It is still hard to ignore the company's history.
I'm still getting Fascinate, since it's the only decent smartphone that doesn't have encrypted down bootloader or weak battery life.
This is just my view on how things might turn out. I have my reasons for saying this and you have your reasons for saying that.
Calling someone else's opinion "the dumbest ****" just reveals how closed-minded you are and is the least likely way to have a "knowledgeable conversation" with others.

vitomins said:
Looks like it is a CDMA version, but it is going to Sprint...
boygeniusreport.com/2010/09/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-coming-to-sprint
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The Galaxy Tab is coming to the major carriers in the US.
Verizon will be getting one for sure.
There will be a press event on Sept 16 in NYC where Samsung will launch a new Android device. This will most likely be the Galaxy Tab, the US version. Its possible that the Tab might come in different colors depending on the carrier preference. The original is said to be black and white.

boodies said:
Actually, your comments are moot. Samsung said we will be getting 2.2 this month and um, we probably are? Sure companies are human and they make mistakes. Just take a look at apple and htc. But if you can't see the fact that this phone is Samsungs cashcow, and they are going to juiced the **** out of it, I won't be able to hold a knowledgeable conversation with you. Not sure what phone you have but if that's your only reason for not purchasing a sgs, too bad.
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you won't be able to hold a "knowledgeable conversation" because you lack knowledge. You offer no proof, just opinion, which is fine. But there is no need to torch someone else for doing the same. chill out dude

Epell said:
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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sage observations. thanks

I don't have the reference handy, but I believe one of the more promenant blogs (bgr, engaget, etc.) mentioned that honeycomb will actually be 3.0 and more tablet oriented while gingerbread will be a 2.x update with a heavier focus on UI improvements than on under the hood functionality.

sic4672 said:
I don't have the reference handy, but I believe one of the more promenant blogs (bgr, engaget, etc.) mentioned that honeycomb will actually be 3.0 and more tablet oriented while gingerbread will be a 2.x update with a heavier focus on UI improvements than on under the hood functionality.
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Nahh. Gingerbread is definitely 3.0. And they'd most likely be the same.. for tablets and phones.. or somewhat similar.

Epell said:
Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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Intercept is getting 2.2
As far as Gingerbread goes... who knows? It's not even out yet so we'll see. Cynogenmod will most likely port it and if not, someone else will. Galaxy S's are too wonderful to be put to waste.
Even then, Froyo is good enough, honestly. Just give us some Froyo GOD DAMN.

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The Galaxy S line is Samsung's first serious Android offering
Samsung is publicly and openly in competition with Motorola to overthrow HTC as the premier Android manufacturer
The media will eat them alive if they let the Galaxy S line flounder, and this will be counter to their publicly stated mission above.
Who the F**K cares because everyone who trolls here is going to ditch their phones around Spring of next year when the multi core phones start rolling out.

Epell said:
Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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You make some good points, but although I think boodies was outta line, he's right, this ain't a moment, a behold or a Spica, this is the galaxy s. I think Samsung will be different about how they deal with this phone.
Just look at the GPS fixed in the leaked rom. There trying, I was all on board when this phone released, then got off track thinking Samsung has done it again and screwed us, then all the sudden bamn a leaked rom with much much improved GPS.

Anyone a little shocked?

I am, and I'll tell you why.
Samsung hasn't even started building a GB ROM for our phone, and that's kind of weird to me, because I would think that they would have something.
I don't remember where I read this, and this could be wrong, but doesn't the carrier has to request the update, and then the manufacturer builds it? (I can be COMPLETELY wrong, so don't hold me to this) If that's true, then we may not see a GB build, because T-Mobile USA wouldn't request it.
Tell me what you think, because this interests me a lot.

Where did you get this info? that they haven't started the gingerbread for us.
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iynfynity said:
Where did you get this info? that they haven't started the gingerbread for us.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
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http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/81421451059671040
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/81257522966700032
There.
They posted the GS4G leak, the Cappy leak, and they have a leak for the Epic 4G.

since there have been no vibrant leaks, it automatically means they have not started building it?

sroach23 said:
since there have been no vibrant leaks, it automatically means they have not started building it?
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It's not that, SamFirmware stated (and I honestly believe them, if they found all these leaks for other phones so quickly), that there's no Vibrant (SGH-T959) build, which could mean A LOT of things, possibly something as simple as Samsung is really lazy and doesn't want to upload it, but it would mean more.
I'm just saying, I don't know what's up, but I'd like to know more.

And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.

djquick said:
And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.
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Unfortunately, this is most likely the truth. :/
I hope they don't forget us. All we want is a leak.

Relax, It'll be released in a couple months for sure. Enjoy the new ROM's with working GPS this weekend

VICosPhi said:
Relax, It'll be released in a couple months for sure. Enjoy the new ROM's with working GPS this weekend
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THAT's the only thing good thing for us about all these leaks, we have working GPS now.

djquick said:
And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.
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I fart very fast...
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I noticed that as well. But you have to remember that T-Mobile plays real dirty. Remember when we had 2.2 leaks back late November (JK2)? It didn't become official until #NeverAgain made such a huge PR mess for them that Samsung & T-Mobile had to release it. But it was up until then, that T-Mobile didn't want to update out phones because of the pending MT4G & SGS4G release, dirty mfers...

By the way this issue gets more complicated now with the AT&T merger. AT&T strongly believes that updates are not good for business. From their point of view if they don't do updates it gives users more reasons to upgrade to new phones.
So if TMo was borderline crap about this already, the adoption by AT&T is only going to delay things further.
What does that mean for us, enjoy the awesome roms on xda and forget about TMo.
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Just read da tweets someone should just port from 4g to us
Ya boy

Ya, but Google kind of helped us all out with that. Its not up to the carriers if a phone is going to get an update anymore. If Manufactures want to use Android they have to abide by the 18 month update cycle this goes for carriers too. They have to provided updates to newer versions of Android during the first 18 month of a phones life. Our Vibrants really only have six months left of that 18 though. So don't expect an official Ice Cream Sandwich update. I wish google had been enforcing this rule back in the days of the original cliq and cliq xt. The poor XT didn't even get an update out of 1.5. I think Google has gotten tired of all the negative press that manufactures are developing because of the unwillingness to update phones. Of course as you we all know a lot of this has to do with carriers not wanting these updates or their need for unreasonable software packages they want add to the update packages.

How shock i am? Look at this pic.
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Hmm I don't see it as a problem, well at least as long as we have the vibrant 4g, I'm just waiting for the sgs2, then I'll be gone

Well we cant be mad at samsung as its not there fault its tmobil. Most of us will be moving to hercules or sgs2 anyway so no worries crying over this in my opinion.

Yeah, I think it's time to accept the likelihood that Samsung/T-mo won't be providing much further development or support for the Vibrant given the new product lines. It doesn't mean it'll be obsolete though. Thanks developers!

what does it matter? theres literaly pages upon pages of custom rom's out there that are 100000x BETTER Then what any company puts out in the first place.
im pretty sure for a big majority of people here the first thing they do when they get a new phone is wipe it out and start over fresh.
what is it you want exactly, a bloated gingerbread rom from samsung full of **** you dont need or use?
what a useless thread

j1635 said:
what does it matter? theres literaly pages upon pages of custom rom's out there that are 100000x BETTER Then what any company puts out in the first place.
im pretty sure for a big majority of people here the first thing they do when they get a new phone is wipe it out and start over fresh.
what is it you want exactly, a bloated gingerbread rom from samsung full of **** you dont need or use?
what a useless thread
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Believe me it does matter.
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Sign Petition for SGS1 ICS

Sign the petition here: http://www.change.org/petitions/htt...ndwich-version-for-users-of-the-samsung-i9000
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4195 signatures! keep signing if you haven't yet done so.

theres no point in starting or doing one as they dont work... no body knows that ics is or is not coming to the galaxy s 1 only samaung dose

got-petrol said:
theres no point in starting or doing one as they dont work... no body knows that ics is or is not coming to the galaxy s 1 only samaung dose
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they do work to some extent. samsung will probably decide the millions of sgs1 owners can just upgrade to a sgs2 or a sgn, and we'll be ignored unless we make our opinion known.

wrsg said:
they do work to some extent. samsung will probably decide the millions of sgs1 owners can just upgrade to a sgs2 or a sgn, and we'll be ignored unless we make our opinion known.
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Making our opinions known will not change the fact that it will cost Samsung money, and possibly prevent them from making money off of us buying newer phones.
If you want it that bad, either cross your fingers or wait for an unofficial release.

Honestly really not much point in doing so. I'd be surprised if Samsung made ICS available to the i9000, but however no petition will make them listen. Developing ICS for the i9000 will cost them a lot of money they will not be willing to spend as the phone is outdated by the SGS 2.

All this threads about ICS while it's not released yet make me feel concerned about xda mods mental sanity for the months to come.

I would MUCH rather we got a petition together to get Samsung to release driver details and source code for the i9000 so that the Cyanogen team can fix the RIL and 720p recording issues

Ivegottheskill said:
I would MUCH rather we got a petition together to get Samsung to release driver details and source code for the i9000 so that the Cyanogen team can fix the RIL and 720p recording issues
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if they do, it will be much easier porting ICS(or anything else, really) to our lovely device, where can i sign?

start a petiton stating if samsung drops firmware support for their still best selled device you will move to a brand that can deliver such updates - as "Galaxy Nexus" branch or any other phone maker that will continue to support their devices not promote/force you to use their latest devices to get updated firmware

$omator said:
start a petiton stating if samsung drops firmware support for their still best selled device you will move to a brand that can deliver such updates - as "Galaxy Nexus" branch or any other phone maker that will continue to support their devices not promote/force you to use their latest devices to get updated firmware
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Well, I am starting to think that we can't find one that has Android in it... Look even Google doesn't support their Nexus One that is more than capable to handle ICS. In less than 2 years time they will drop support for Galaxy Nexus claiming it is too old again... It's simply a shame.
It hurts me to say this but I am starting to admit that Android has failed in its purpose of proving that it was different in terms of policies than Apple. It's the same s***....

nexus one never was a primary phone for google - it was nexuss, but still i am suprised that they droped 'nexus one'
at least google will not get distorted like samsung with all their devices to release buggy firmwares
google devices always her latest and well developed updates & support - samsung fails to do that
and on the top of that 2 years is normal contract lenght (and most of us got 'contract phones')
so best time to sign new 'pact with the devil' and get new google phone
if nothing will change from samsung on that i will surley not buy samsung phone (but samsung+google yes due to 'working updates/support)
to be honest i see even wave/bada getting more attention/love from samsung
check this vid: [Wave 3] Official Live Demo

$omator said:
nexus one never was a primary phone for google - it was nexuss, but still i am suprised that they droped 'nexus one'
at least google will not get distorted like samsung with all their devices to release buggy firmwares
google devices always her latest and well developed updates & support - samsung fails to do that
and on the top of that 2 years is normal contract lenght (and most of us got 'contract phones')
so best time to sign new 'pact with the devil' and get new google phone
if nothing will change from samsung on that i will surley not buy samsung phone (but samsung+google yes due to 'working updates/support)
to be honest i see even wave/bada getting more attention/love from samsung
check this vid: [Wave 3] Official Live Demo
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Don't be so sure that Google will be better than Samsung in that department. I don't think Nexus S will get a new major Android update after ICS but let's see...
This idea that you have to buy another phone every 2 years is completely out of reality. I don't want to spend 400€ for a new phone every 2 years. It's completely unacceptable. And if this rumor that I9000 is not getting it becomes true, then I will try my best to discourage Android for anyone I know and is thinking in getting a new phone. I suggest everyone else that feels like this to do the same and try to stop these companies of doing those practices.

NexusS will be supported until the phone that will follow Galaxy Nexus, something simmilar that we witness now
i get my phone for free every 2 years =) thats why i do not see a problem in exchanging it in this time period :]
trust me, no ics for i9000 is not an option, i9000 is their best seller for the moment.
leaving all shose people wo latest firmware upgrade would not be logic.
they are aware how many people would be pissed at them due that fact.
they were ahead when releasing sgs/nexuss now competition is catching up very quick
i do notthink that they are ready to piss so many people
question is how long will it be supported with ics updates and i guess this will decrease untill sgs3 release after witch it will stop

you all need to take a chill pill. think of it this way: until samsung will release an update for the existing phones they will release an ICS device and after that they will try, hopefully, to update them and that could take some time and i don't think they will update a phone that will be so "old". it's logical... if they update the sgs and sgs2 to ICS why would you buy the next phone? if you were stuck on 2.1 or 2.2 on your sgs you would have taken into consideration to buy sgs2 but knowing that the differences between sgs and sgs2 are in terms of camera proc and size you are not willing to do this... damn that was a long message that no one will read

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you all need to take a chill pill. think of it this way: until samsung will release an update for the existing phones they will release an ICS device and after that they will try, hopefully, to update them and that could take some time and i don't think they will update a phone that will be so "old". it's logical... if they update the sgs and sgs2 to ICS why would you buy the next phone? if you were stuck on 2.1 or 2.2 on your sgs you would have taken into consideration to buy sgs2 but knowing that the differences between sgs and sgs2 are in terms of camera proc and size you are not willing to do this... damn that was a long message that no one will read
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Your thinking is wrong. If Samsung doesn't update their 400€ phones that are 1 year and a half old (And don't even care to do proper QA), then why should you buy another one that will get no updates after that period, even when the hardware can handle it very well? And then you look at Apple that updates their old 3GS (that runs at least twice as fast as the Galaxy S stock)... What reason has Apple to update the 3GS when they just launched the 4S? This is how you gain customer loyalty!
If at least the phone worked well stock, then I wouldn't complain much. But take JVT firmware as an example. It has so many bugs and is so slow!!! How can they do it with this hardware??????????????????

i will not buy SGS2/3 if i will not see ICS on SGS1, i would not want to get stuck again with no updates because they want to sell me their next, new phone
also with ICS on SGS i am aware that it could be missing some features from Galaxy Nexus version, and that it will not be as fast as on newer devices
i do not think that i am the only one that when considering GT-I9000 purchase was looking at this info/fact also
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@boliveira2 it's called consumption market... they want you to buy the newest ones otherwise they could just try to develop and optimize android os for all version (a little exaggeration i know) so you could run it on any phone... cyanogen released 7.1 for the Moto Cliq that didn't even get a 1.6 update here but they managed to do something about it... it's all marketing... why would they waste money and time and man power to update an old phone? i know it is disappointing, i am in the same boat as you... i'm not happy about this but this is it... i hope that i am wrong but... BTW is gingerbread official for all sgs's? i mean anyone can upgrade using kies?

us carrier variants seems to have froyo still same as some countries for gt-i9000 did not upgraded due to the bugs in gb (ex poland)
looks like samsung got overwhelmed by the variety of devices they support and obligations to google to update asap to latest firmware version (that "with Google" partnership) what resulted in overall mess ;]

I think in the end if you want the latest updates for a long time you have to buy the Google phones, period.
It's a shame but that's just the way it is. I think if many people turned their noses at the Samsung/HTC/Motorola-branded phones until they improve their updates they might actually get the picture. As it is most people rush out to get the latest, shiniest closed-driver carrier-specific device and then complain about updates later.
Perhaps this will change now that many Android users are more experienced and have learned their lesson, like so many of us here. If a huge chunk of us ignore devices other than Nexus they might get the point. One thing they may have to do if they really get serious about better updates is tell the carriers, especially the glacial ones here in North America, to screw off and stay out of it. Apple and Nexus phones get their frequent and timely updates mostly because the carriers are out of the loop.

What most have also forgotten is Google want ICS to stop fragmentation but what's happened is its made it worse.
Doing a petition to google to force samsung to roll out ICS
Samsung are clearly using this to sell devices as always
Then after that you have networks to sort as Vodafone in the UK have not released any updates to the Galaxy s past 2.3.3
Google phones get updates faster then from samsung and networks but the Galaxy Nexus is not that good i'll wait for the Motorola Nexus next time round
The rom is designed to work on the Nexus s and the specs are almost the same as the Galaxy s
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Hi all Xperia 2011 users we will some lose cm support. We maybe won't get update to 4.2 eaven.
So all good developer buying new phones. I think it time to make own team of developers to make cm roms for 4.2 plus...
What you think?
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So true n1kolaa. I've seen your request on Twitter for porting cm roms by nAa, whose work is actually incredible. I came from x10 mini pro community and I was one of the testers of minicm roms. We have two options as of now.
1) request devs like nobodyatall to start supporting our devices as they are pretty similar. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Arc, arcS, pro)
2) form a new team for ourselves and start developing with help from recognized devs.
Our forms lack recognized developers and I dont understand why. The community I came from which is x10 mini pro is still getting huge support and it might even get a fully working 4.2 where as 2011 Xperia's are struggling to get it. No offense to anyone.
On otherside lets hope we get 4.2 port by fxp :thumbup:
Cheers.
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We should get XDA mods to merge Xperia Ray, Arc, Arc S, Neo and Neo V forums. Those devices are very similar, and it will be much easier to swap ideas and new features.

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We should get XDA mods to merge Xperia Ray, Arc, Arc S, Neo and Neo V forums. Those devices are very similar, and it will be much easier to swap ideas and new features.
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Good idea

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We should get XDA mods to merge Xperia Ray, Arc, Arc S, Neo and Neo V forums. Those devices are very similar, and it will be much easier to swap ideas and new features.
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I agree. It's working out well with the NXT phones so I wouldn't see why it wouldn't work here.
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Nothing is endless. Don't expect all the developers to provide lifetime support for some old device.

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Nothing is endless. Don't expect all the developers to provide lifetime support for some old device.
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Very true. I've pointed this out in the thread with the jelly bean petition. Nothing lasts forever as you said. Everyone wants to upgrade to newer phones with newer technologies and whatnot. There's a reason why the X10 didn't get ICS. Other than probably a couple hardware limitations, Sony wants people to move onto bigger and better devices. It's also a marketing strategy. If they weren't releasing phones every year then they would have the time to upgrade older devices as that would be their focus.
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Very true. I've pointed this out in the thread with the jelly bean petition. Nothing lasts forever as you said. Everyone wants to upgrade to newer phones with newer technologies and whatnot. There's a reason why the X10 didn't get ICS. Other than probably a couple hardware limitations, Sony wants people to move onto bigger and better devices. It's also a marketing strategy. If they weren't releasing phones every year then they would have the time to upgrade older devices as that would be their focus.
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That's totally unrelated. FXP doesn't earn money if Sony sells more 2012 phones...
Developer support ends because there aren't enough users to justify the time spent working on ROM's. As the FXP team pointed out elsewhere, they would probably have to create an 3.x kernel from scratch, which will take 6 months. In 6 months, the number of people using their 2011 Xperia daily will probably be half or less of that today. I notice activity on the forum declining rapidly since this summer.

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That's totally unrelated. FXP doesn't earn money if Sony sells more 2012 phones...
Developer support ends because there aren't enough users to justify the time spent working on ROM's. As the FXP team pointed out elsewhere, they would probably have to create an 3.x kernel from scratch, which will take 6 months. In 6 months, the number of people using their 2011 Xperia daily will probably be half or less of that today. I notice activity on the forum declining rapidly since this summer.
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Well I thought I would put my opinion there. I wasn't talking about FXP and devs but more about Sony in general
Sorry
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Sorry, nothing against that, in fact I agree with you, but Ithought you were talking about FXP, it seemed a bit unrelated

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Have you put this forward to the relevant People?, if not come support it HERE
EDIT: Has you may have already seen...
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We are working on a redesign of all Sony forums currently, and anticipate being done within a few weeks.
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...so will be interesting to see what they come up with.

I've sent a PM to diestarbucks 2 days ago, he has forwarded it to the relevant mods. Awaiting reply.

I'm up for it, anything to make it last just a little longer

BTW, maybe it would be better to add Neo L development to Xperia Play forums. Neo L is kind of a weird add-on now, as ROM's for Neo are not simply compatible with it.
New version.

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New version.
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That's better. :good:

Official kitkat for galaxy s iii mini !!!!

With Android 4.4 KitKat, Google is aiming to bring a better Android experience to the masses through features such as reduced memory consumption on low-memory (512MB) and low-cost devices, and that has had a lot of people hoping manufacturers will bring the new version of Android to some of their mid-range devices that may not otherwise be eligible for another update. Well, according to an image we received in our inbox, Samsung is thinking of doing just that, and is considering the update for some of its mid-range and low-end devices.
In a document SAMSUNG has decided to release KITKAT update for SAMSUNG GALAXY S III Mini.Yo can see in below image :
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if you read the article or even the image it says its under investigation so its not decided!

Gabhain said:
if you read the article or even the image it says its under investigation so its not decided!
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hmm....I think you need to read the whole article,click on the source.

Really nice news - when it's true. I believe WHEN we get 4.4 it will come after Xmas, maybe january. They must sale their flagship S4. Anyway - the ACE 2 is also in the list, that's great, my wife has it and i really like to play around with this little thing. I mean the phone

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Really nice news - when it's true. I believe WHEN we get 4.4 it will come after Xmas, maybe january. They must sale their flagship S4. Anyway - the ACE 2 is also in the list, that's great, my wife has it and i really like to play around with this little thing. I mean the phone
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i dont think we will get the kitkat and even if by some miracle we do get it, who needs it while we have maclaw, he even fixed the camera

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hmm....I think you need to read the whole article,click on the source.
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i have read the source friend, it specifically says "However, just because Samsung is considering the update doesn’t mean the updates will actually come" so when you say "In a document SAMSUNG has decided to release KITKAT update for SAMSUNG GALAXY S III Mini" its misleading as they havent decided. ST-Ericsson are no more so the chances of an update is slim to none unfortunately.

Samsung first have to release new kernel for our device before kitkat it means we must get 4.2 maybe its true about ram but what about processor
because of heavy bloatware i think samsung have to redesign a touchwiz for our device its s4 mini which will get 4.4 most likely but sometimes miracle can happen . I hope we get new kernel for maclaw

They know it's possible. I mean, look at the Android development forums. There are already a few stable KitKat ROMs. They don't have an excuse to not release it.
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If the KitKat bring the Samsung Secured System KNOX like the 4.3 I want not chocolates, I prefer the 4.1.2 . What brothel on Note 3 and on S4. :crying:

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i dont think we will get the kitkat and even if by some miracle we do get it, who needs it while we have maclaw, he even fixed the camera
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Indeed. And i think it is best if we support him more.
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Rumor: Android 4.4 KitKat update for Galaxy S4 Mini, S3 Mini, Ace 3 and other mid-rangers “under investigation” http://drippler.com/updates/share/r...y-s4-mini-s3-mini-ace-3-and-other-mid-rangers Via j.mp/drippler_app
Read that
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Rumor: Android 4.4 KitKat update for Galaxy S4 Mini, S3 Mini, Ace 3 and other mid-rangers “under investigation” http://drippler.com/updates/share/r...y-s4-mini-s3-mini-ace-3-and-other-mid-rangers Via j.mp/drippler_app
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Page 1 already has posts like that.

Even if we already have Maclaw's version, i'd like this to be official, a lot of people have s3 minis now and it's not fair that the s4 may get an update but the s3 mini dont

abnerangel96 said:
Even if we already have Maclaw's version, i'd like this to be official, a lot of people have s3 minis now and it's not fair that the s4 may get an update but the s3 mini dont
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True. But for Maclaw's works, i think it's "better than nothing at all". CMIIW

deepseeker said:
True. But for Maclaw's works, i think it's "better than nothing at all". CMIIW
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Have to agree, lets hope samsung decide to release an update and make average users happy, i think ill stay with CM by Maclaw, its great
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i think ill stay with CM by Maclaw, its great
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It is. I just flashed his CM 11 4.4 fully working version. No major complain until now.
Just a tiny issue that the settings option for gallery is not working. But i think it is not a problem thinking all Maclaw's hard work.
Salute
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don't you underestimate an official release... 99.9% of smartphones don't even know the word root but many care about updates and the s3 mini is one of the top 10 selling devices around the globe and also used to cost 400 euro. so they have to release it. otherwise the'll lose customers. ste-ericsson not giving drivers is an excuse, maclaw with some others is a single developer that has booted almost fully working kit kat for s3 mini, Of course samsung can release a stable kitkat... and in my s3 mini capacitive buttons don't work when i flash a custom rom so i really need the official kitkat...

I installed last night and everything looks good. Hats of to MacLaw.
Just 1 thing. I have i8190N and have lost NFC now. Would be nice to see a ROM for the N variant.
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Still Good if...
I've been following Maclaw's work for months now, using his work as a "final" ROM for my device. However, what some users state here is a very valid idea, which I support. Is cool and all that we have Maclaw, Oliver and all of'em (without the drama, please save that for TV Soap Operas), but many many people out there would like to have the "Real Deal", be it for the sake of convenience -we sure enjoy testing every new update of our ROMs- but other people want an experience that "just works"- or because they prefer to have an officially backed up software. And let's face it, Samsung is the manufacturer of this phone and no one but the manufacturer would know better how it works and how to upgrade it. You custom developers are awesome, no doubt, but the manufacturer will always be a little above in the matter of knowing the device and undestanding it.
So, I really doubt Samsung will, after all this time, update our S3 mini, but I also think it would be awesome if they did so and I would totally use their update if they manage to improve the weak points of the last official one.

The question remains... did anyone get a legitimate version of KitKat?
If so, what are the chances of the G730A Model getting it, and of said thing is done, will it make it easier for us to root the G730A?
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