This is based on the Galaxy tab announcement. Since Verizon is likely to carry the TAB and the Tab and fascinate are nearly clones.
"The Galaxy Tab will include Android 2.2, called Froyo, and will be upgradable to Android 3.0, called Gingerbread, Hong said."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20015400-264.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave#ixzz0yNrxRWWc
I REALLY doubt it.
wrxlvr said:
I REALLY doubt it.
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Have to ask, why do you doubt it?
Samsung just said today the TAB will get gingerbread.
Verizon is the carrier most rumoured to be carrying the TAB. All the spy shots have been of a CDMA version of the TAB. The TAB and the Fascinate are clones sans the front camera.
orateam said:
Have to ask, why do you doubt it?
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Probably because samsung isn't reliable when it comes to android upgrade promises.
cyanogenmod seems interested in Galaxy S phones, so there will be gingerbread for fascinate.
Just not from samsung, probably.
Let me clarify. I think it'll get it. Eventually. Just don't expect it anytime soon. It will HOPEFULLY see Froyo by the end of September, but Samsung isn't known for speedy updates (Verizon either), so we'll have to see.
Word is that Samsung is taking the Android line pretty seriously though, so there's still hope for them yet.
wrxlvr said:
Let me clarify. I think it'll get it. Eventually. Just don't expect it anytime soon. It will HOPEFULLY see Froyo by the end of September, but Samsung isn't known for speedy updates (Verizon either), so we'll have to see.
Word is that Samsung is taking the Android line pretty seriously though, so there's still hope for them yet.
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Yeah thats what i'm seeing. Samsung is putting alot of resources to getting android up to speed and competitive with apple.
engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-we-are-prioritizing-our-android-platform
Looks they're going all-in with their galaxy s line so I really hope they update it to Gingerbread.
orateam said:
Have to ask, why do you doubt it?
Samsung just said today the TAB will get gingerbread.
Verizon is the carrier most rumoured to be carrying the TAB. All the spy shots have been of a CDMA version of the TAB. The TAB and the Fascinate are clones sans the front camera.
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Looks like it is a CDMA version, but it is going to Sprint...
boygeniusreport.com/2010/09/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-coming-to-sprint
Epell said:
Probably because samsung isn't reliable when it comes to android upgrade promises.
cyanogenmod seems interested in Galaxy S phones, so there will be gingerbread for fascinate.
Just not from samsung, probably.
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that's the dumbest **** i've heard all day. this is the most invested phone in Samsung history.
boodies said:
that's the dumbest **** i've heard all day. this is the most invested phone in Samsung history.
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Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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Actually, your comments are moot. Samsung said we will be getting 2.2 this month and um, we probably are? Sure companies are human and they make mistakes. Just take a look at apple and htc. But if you can't see the fact that this phone is Samsungs cashcow, and they are going to juiced the **** out of it, I won't be able to hold a knowledgeable conversation with you. Not sure what phone you have but if that's your only reason for not purchasing a sgs, too bad.
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Actually, your comments are moot. Samsung said we will be getting 2.2 this month and um, we probably are? Sure companies are human and they make mistakes. Just take a look at apple and htc. But if you can't see the fact that this phone is Samsungs cashcow, and they are going to juiced the **** out of it, I won't be able to hold a knowledgeable conversation with you. Not sure what phone you have but if that's your only reason for not purchasing a sgs, too bad.
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I thought this thread was about gingerbread, not froyo.
I think SGS will get froyo (most likely anyway).
I just can't think this is a mistake. Mistake is something one makes once(maybe twice) and by accident.
Having less than satisfactory long term support for almost all of the android devices made by samsung certainly isn't "mistake".
Samsung gets money by selling their phones, not by upgrading OS. Although if they keep up this weak long term support, they might lose future buyers.
Yeah, samsung already shipped 1+mil SGS devices, so this one might be different. It is still hard to ignore the company's history.
I'm still getting Fascinate, since it's the only decent smartphone that doesn't have encrypted down bootloader or weak battery life.
This is just my view on how things might turn out. I have my reasons for saying this and you have your reasons for saying that.
Calling someone else's opinion "the dumbest ****" just reveals how closed-minded you are and is the least likely way to have a "knowledgeable conversation" with others.
vitomins said:
Looks like it is a CDMA version, but it is going to Sprint...
boygeniusreport.com/2010/09/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-coming-to-sprint
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The Galaxy Tab is coming to the major carriers in the US.
Verizon will be getting one for sure.
There will be a press event on Sept 16 in NYC where Samsung will launch a new Android device. This will most likely be the Galaxy Tab, the US version. Its possible that the Tab might come in different colors depending on the carrier preference. The original is said to be black and white.
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Actually, your comments are moot. Samsung said we will be getting 2.2 this month and um, we probably are? Sure companies are human and they make mistakes. Just take a look at apple and htc. But if you can't see the fact that this phone is Samsungs cashcow, and they are going to juiced the **** out of it, I won't be able to hold a knowledgeable conversation with you. Not sure what phone you have but if that's your only reason for not purchasing a sgs, too bad.
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you won't be able to hold a "knowledgeable conversation" because you lack knowledge. You offer no proof, just opinion, which is fine. But there is no need to torch someone else for doing the same. chill out dude
Epell said:
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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sage observations. thanks
I don't have the reference handy, but I believe one of the more promenant blogs (bgr, engaget, etc.) mentioned that honeycomb will actually be 3.0 and more tablet oriented while gingerbread will be a 2.x update with a heavier focus on UI improvements than on under the hood functionality.
sic4672 said:
I don't have the reference handy, but I believe one of the more promenant blogs (bgr, engaget, etc.) mentioned that honeycomb will actually be 3.0 and more tablet oriented while gingerbread will be a 2.x update with a heavier focus on UI improvements than on under the hood functionality.
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Nahh. Gingerbread is definitely 3.0. And they'd most likely be the same.. for tablets and phones.. or somewhat similar.
Epell said:
Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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Intercept is getting 2.2
As far as Gingerbread goes... who knows? It's not even out yet so we'll see. Cynogenmod will most likely port it and if not, someone else will. Galaxy S's are too wonderful to be put to waste.
Even then, Froyo is good enough, honestly. Just give us some Froyo GOD DAMN.
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The Galaxy S line is Samsung's first serious Android offering
Samsung is publicly and openly in competition with Motorola to overthrow HTC as the premier Android manufacturer
The media will eat them alive if they let the Galaxy S line flounder, and this will be counter to their publicly stated mission above.
Who the F**K cares because everyone who trolls here is going to ditch their phones around Spring of next year when the multi core phones start rolling out.
Epell said:
Do you always insult people who has different opinion from yours?
Samsung Behold II gets upto 1.6 and apparently can't even be upgraded to 2.X while HTC Dream/Magic are getting 2.2
Samsung i7500 gets upto 1.6 but samsung does not support upto 2.2, saying it's "impossible". unofficial upgrade to 2.2 available.
Samsung Moment gets 2.1 but not 2.2. Moto Droid, which has similar spec as Moment is capable of 2.2
Samsung Spica gets upto 2.1 but not to 2.2, unofficial update to 2.2 available.
I don't have information on Intercept.
Samsung does not have good track record of longterm support for its devices (usually one upgrade and one only, 1.5->1.6 or 2.0->2.1). It is safe to assume that SGS will most likely meet the same fate.
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You make some good points, but although I think boodies was outta line, he's right, this ain't a moment, a behold or a Spica, this is the galaxy s. I think Samsung will be different about how they deal with this phone.
Just look at the GPS fixed in the leaked rom. There trying, I was all on board when this phone released, then got off track thinking Samsung has done it again and screwed us, then all the sudden bamn a leaked rom with much much improved GPS.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/leaked-e-mail-points-successful-froyo-testing-samsung-galaxy-s
http://forum.androidcentral.com/verizon-fascinate/39361-froyo-just-around-corner.html
This looks promising. Everyone would like a translation though.
Korean is my native language.
Summary:
The email says that the Froyo tests on Galaxy s phones have been completed.
And then it says there is no problem with sending out Galaxy S phones shipped with Froyo.
The attached photo there shows the test results for reference.
Updates will follow...
So, it looks like as of Sep 27, Froyo has been ready to be released to Galaxy S phones.
I would assume that Sprint likely has the update at this point. No doubt they'll take some time to add/test their bloatware. Here's hoping we see a leak soon.
i am waiting for a leak
You realize, of course, there's a difference between the international Galaxy S (that this most likely applies to) and the US variants (that it most likely does not). Not to mention there are differences BETWEEN the US variants themselves. I wouldn't take any document concerning a Galaxy S phone to be applicable unless it names the Epic or at least mentions CDMA somewhere.
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You realize, of course, there's a difference between the international Galaxy S (that this most likely applies to) and the US variants (that it most likely does not). Not to mention there are differences BETWEEN the US variants themselves. I wouldn't take any document concerning a Galaxy S phone to be applicable unless it names the Epic or at least mentions CDMA somewhere.
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Yes. It would still be a fair assumption that our build's development would not be far behind if not in lockstep with the build mentioned in the email. It would look very bad to have half of the Galaxy S phones running 2.2 while the others remained on 2.1. Samsung has done worse things though.
I'm thinking they wouldn't care too much about having the I9000 updated for a while before any of the US versions considering it was released a few months before any of them. I do agree that the Vibrant and possibly the Captivate will most likely see their Froyo release within a month of the I9000, but I'm thinking we won't see any action until a bit after that due to our CDMA radio.
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I'm thinking they wouldn't care too much about having the I9000 updated for a while before any of the US versions considering it was released a few months before any of them. I do agree that the Vibrant and possibly the Captivate will most likely see their Froyo release within a month of the I9000, but I'm thinking we won't see any action until a bit after that due to our CDMA radio.
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CDMA has been natively supported in Android since 1.6, so I'm really hoping that doesn't become the case. There just wouldn't be an excuse for it and would be terribly bad form on Samsung's part.
EDIT: One thing that I thought Samsung did very well was, while making the phone available on virtually every major carrier, keeping the 'Galaxy S' branding on them all. I think that the update becoming available at different times for each carrier would serve only to confuse the consumer and really hurt the brand. Hurting the brand would not be smart while they simultaneously launch the Galaxy Tab. That's just my two cents though.
If anything they should hoard the updates until they're all done, and then release them all at once. Perhaps that's what they're doing and how the Captivate's leaked build originated. </speculation>
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If anything they should hoard the updates until they're all done, and then release them all at once. Perhaps that's what they're doing and how the Captivate's leaked build originated. </speculation>
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I read that Samsung is trying to update all Galaxy S (worldwide) at the same time. However, the actual time in US will be determined by the carrier.
acegolfer said:
I read that Samsung is trying to update all Galaxy S (worldwide) at the same time. However, the actual time in US will be determined by the carrier.
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If you could point me to your source on that, I would appreciate it.
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If you could point me to your source on that, I would appreciate it.
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I don't remember exactly where so I googled it. This one is pretty close.
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/10/06/samsung-galaxy-s-update-on-android-2-2-froyo-release-date/
acegolfer said:
I don't remember exactly where so I googled it. This one is pretty close.
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/10/06/samsung-galaxy-s-update-on-android-2-2-froyo-release-date/
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That mentions only the UK carriers, but it wouldn't make any sense for their US strategy to be any different. Thanks.
this is normal for palm phones on sprint att and verizon
has been 2 weeks since 27 Sept. No official news from Samsung.
If the email refers to JPK, then I'm very worry, because it simply won't work with Exchange.
Well, this news and including the fact that they are releasing the Samsung Galaxy 551, a Samsung with slide-out keyboard, in Europe with Froyo in November:
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/06/low-end-samsung-galaxy-551-goes-official-for-389-euros/
Probably a good sign we'll be getting our Froyo in November?
crajee16 said:
Well, this news and including the fact that they are releasing the Samsung Galaxy 551, a Samsung with slide-out keyboard, in Europe with Froyo in November:
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/06/low-end-samsung-galaxy-551-goes-official-for-389-euros/
Probably a good sign we'll be getting our Froyo in November?
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Those renders definitely look like TouchWiz 3 as well. Thanks for the info.
illogic6, you are correct sir. Well, according to this link I found below.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/10/samsung_galaxy_551_is_now_official.html
crajee16 said:
Well, this news and including the fact that they are releasing the Samsung Galaxy 551, a Samsung with slide-out keyboard, in Europe with Froyo in November:
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/06/low-end-samsung-galaxy-551-goes-official-for-389-euros/
Probably a good sign we'll be getting our Froyo in November?
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Thanks.
FYI, this phone has no relationship to Galaxy S line. There are many Samsung Galaxy lines: A, S, U, etc. They all have different hardware.
One good sign is that they got Touch Wiz 3 in landscape mode.
I have a concern regarding future update. I recently read an article about a Samsung Galaxy K phone coming to Korean with 2.2. I'm just curious how long do you think Samsung with support the current Galaxy S platform? Or is this Galaxy K going to replace the Galaxy S phone and Samsung will drop support for the Galaxy S? Will we even get 3.0? Samsung promised 2.2 by the end of the year but never said anything about 3.0. Anyone?
crajee16 said:
I have a concern regarding future update. I recently read an article about a Samsung Galaxy K phone coming to Korean with 2.2. I'm just curious how long do you think Samsung with support the current Galaxy S platform? Or is this Galaxy K going to replace the Galaxy S phone and Samsung will drop support for the Galaxy S? Will we even get 3.0? Samsung promised 2.2 by the end of the year but never said anything about 3.0. Anyone?
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Just read about Galaxy K. It's a lower spec than S series but with 2.2.
Samsung can't promise 3.0 because nobody has seen it. No manufacture has promised 3.0 yet. There are rumors about 3.0 requirement and if it's true Galaxy S satisfies it.
If Samsung can't deliver 3.0, I'm sure the dev team will. That's why I have bought Epic over Transform.
I am, and I'll tell you why.
Samsung hasn't even started building a GB ROM for our phone, and that's kind of weird to me, because I would think that they would have something.
I don't remember where I read this, and this could be wrong, but doesn't the carrier has to request the update, and then the manufacturer builds it? (I can be COMPLETELY wrong, so don't hold me to this) If that's true, then we may not see a GB build, because T-Mobile USA wouldn't request it.
Tell me what you think, because this interests me a lot.
Where did you get this info? that they haven't started the gingerbread for us.
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Where did you get this info? that they haven't started the gingerbread for us.
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http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/81421451059671040
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/81257522966700032
There.
They posted the GS4G leak, the Cappy leak, and they have a leak for the Epic 4G.
since there have been no vibrant leaks, it automatically means they have not started building it?
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since there have been no vibrant leaks, it automatically means they have not started building it?
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It's not that, SamFirmware stated (and I honestly believe them, if they found all these leaks for other phones so quickly), that there's no Vibrant (SGH-T959) build, which could mean A LOT of things, possibly something as simple as Samsung is really lazy and doesn't want to upload it, but it would mean more.
I'm just saying, I don't know what's up, but I'd like to know more.
And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.
djquick said:
And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.
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Unfortunately, this is most likely the truth. :/
I hope they don't forget us. All we want is a leak.
Relax, It'll be released in a couple months for sure. Enjoy the new ROM's with working GPS this weekend
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Relax, It'll be released in a couple months for sure. Enjoy the new ROM's with working GPS this weekend
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THAT's the only thing good thing for us about all these leaks, we have working GPS now.
djquick said:
And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.
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I fart very fast...
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I noticed that as well. But you have to remember that T-Mobile plays real dirty. Remember when we had 2.2 leaks back late November (JK2)? It didn't become official until #NeverAgain made such a huge PR mess for them that Samsung & T-Mobile had to release it. But it was up until then, that T-Mobile didn't want to update out phones because of the pending MT4G & SGS4G release, dirty mfers...
By the way this issue gets more complicated now with the AT&T merger. AT&T strongly believes that updates are not good for business. From their point of view if they don't do updates it gives users more reasons to upgrade to new phones.
So if TMo was borderline crap about this already, the adoption by AT&T is only going to delay things further.
What does that mean for us, enjoy the awesome roms on xda and forget about TMo.
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Just read da tweets someone should just port from 4g to us
Ya boy
Ya, but Google kind of helped us all out with that. Its not up to the carriers if a phone is going to get an update anymore. If Manufactures want to use Android they have to abide by the 18 month update cycle this goes for carriers too. They have to provided updates to newer versions of Android during the first 18 month of a phones life. Our Vibrants really only have six months left of that 18 though. So don't expect an official Ice Cream Sandwich update. I wish google had been enforcing this rule back in the days of the original cliq and cliq xt. The poor XT didn't even get an update out of 1.5. I think Google has gotten tired of all the negative press that manufactures are developing because of the unwillingness to update phones. Of course as you we all know a lot of this has to do with carriers not wanting these updates or their need for unreasonable software packages they want add to the update packages.
How shock i am? Look at this pic.
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Hmm I don't see it as a problem, well at least as long as we have the vibrant 4g, I'm just waiting for the sgs2, then I'll be gone
Well we cant be mad at samsung as its not there fault its tmobil. Most of us will be moving to hercules or sgs2 anyway so no worries crying over this in my opinion.
Yeah, I think it's time to accept the likelihood that Samsung/T-mo won't be providing much further development or support for the Vibrant given the new product lines. It doesn't mean it'll be obsolete though. Thanks developers!
what does it matter? theres literaly pages upon pages of custom rom's out there that are 100000x BETTER Then what any company puts out in the first place.
im pretty sure for a big majority of people here the first thing they do when they get a new phone is wipe it out and start over fresh.
what is it you want exactly, a bloated gingerbread rom from samsung full of **** you dont need or use?
what a useless thread
j1635 said:
what does it matter? theres literaly pages upon pages of custom rom's out there that are 100000x BETTER Then what any company puts out in the first place.
im pretty sure for a big majority of people here the first thing they do when they get a new phone is wipe it out and start over fresh.
what is it you want exactly, a bloated gingerbread rom from samsung full of **** you dont need or use?
what a useless thread
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Believe me it does matter.
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Well looks like a roll out for the htc desire has began android 2.3.3 with sense 2.1
check here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1186791
if the htc desire gets sense 2.1 it could be possible we can get it aswell
I believe Verizon has told HTC to no longer support our device. I've written 5 emails to HTC requesting information & have received the typical non answer of:
"...Currently, our developers have to work with Verizon to determine when and if a ROM upgrade will be available....."
Basically I assume this is how it went down:
HTC: hey Verizon! We have a gingerbread update that needs testing on the ADR6300(Dinc).
Verizon: If they want gingerbread tell them to sign a new contract & get an ADR6350(Dinc2).
I encourage all of you to email HTC & inform them that they cannot be sued by Apple for emulating their support system & ignoring the carriers request for bad support. We have little chance of changing Verizon's mind but HTC is our hardware manufacturer & they could continue to support us on their website via RUU.
For the negative Nancy's out there this very tactic worked for the Desire community. They were the squeaky wheel & guess what? They got grease on the way. Being vocal is the only reason they are now getting gingerbread. So save your disparaging comments for your low self esteem girlfriend.
Lastly, for the inevitable "root & u no need OTAz!!!"; yes you do. Things like kernel source are of the utmost importance & drivers for various hardware are closed source. Which means if you reverse engineer it; you can get sued. If you modify it; you can get sued.
Please feel free to take 5 minutes to politely spam their inbox with your displeasure, questions, or concerns here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
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I believe Verizon has told HTC to no longer support our device. I've written 5 emails to HTC requesting information & have received the typical non answer of:
"...Currently, our developers have to work with Verizon to determine when and if a ROM upgrade will be available....."
Basically I assume this is how it went down:
HTC: hey Verizon! We have a gingerbread update that needs testing on the ADR6300(Dinc).
Verizon: If they want gingerbread tell them to sign a new contract & get an ADR6350(Dinc2).
I encourage all of you to email HTC & inform them that they cannot be sued by Apple for emulating their support system & ignoring the carriers request for bad support. We have little chance of changing Verizon's mind but HTC is our hardware manufacturer & they could continue to support us on their website via RUU.
For the negative Nancy's out there this very tactic worked for the Desire community. They were the squeaky wheel & guess what? They got grease on the way. Being vocal is the only reason they are now getting gingerbread. So save your disparaging comments for your low self esteem girlfriend.
Lastly, for the inevitable "root & u no need OTAz!!!"; yes you do. Things like kernel source are of the utmost importance & drivers for various hardware are closed source. Which means if you reverse engineer it; you can get sued. If you modify it; you can get sued.
Please feel free to take 5 minutes to politely spam their inbox with your displeasure, questions, or concerns here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
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Sent!
I'm confused though, I thought it was pretty much a done deal that we were getting a GB release??? Was that just an unsubstantiated rumor?
I think HTC had the intention of it but like I said I believe it's Verizon's doing. They're not above that at all.
Also HTC is pretty good about getting back to you in a couple of days. Please continue the dialog after reply with your ticket number.
Also it never hurts to hit them on social media:
http://facebook.com/HTC
http://twitter.com/htc
I just sent them an email as well.
badogg said:
Sent!
I'm confused though, I thought it was pretty much a done deal that we were getting a GB release??? Was that just an unsubstantiated rumor?
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Its not a rumor, we even had a GB leak specifically for our phone. Blame VZW :/
Sent from my Droid Incredible running a random CM7 nightly.
^ pretty much. Desire, Evo, etc pretty much every version of our hardware is getting it.
Sent e mail as well, also mentioned bringing out the update on fb
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Remember though, outcry for the Desire didn't happen until AFTER HTC said they "couldn't do it.", and the EVO is simply way too popular to ignore.
Incredible users need some press on the issue, and we can't mention development in letters we write. "Send us gingerbread so we can hack into it plz" um, yeah OK. Lol
You guys should be sending letters to tech news outlets and stuff so it can be known. The more regular people that know, the more curiosity and subsequent demand will grow. You are pissing in the wind if you think letters to the companies are gonna help. Press is what's gonna be the catalyst for support in this issue, THEN your letters will have merit. Imagine the millions of users that get news updates on phones, computers, RSS, twitter, etc that suddenly realize that they CAN but wont get an update.
Actually HTC didn't come out & say it until they had been pestered by users. I agree on needing some press love. I'll hit the blogs.
Looking at the link in the OP, it doesn't look like those guys are getting any GB love yet either.
^ it has been confirmed by HTC. Basically we're the only one's with sister hardware still out in the rain.
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Based on that thread, their GB update seems to be as "confirmed" as ours. Basically just info from HTC reps, not any sort of official announcement. And there's nothing besides speculation that suggests that the update will be sense 2.1. Our GB update was supposed to be here by the end of Q2, now what are they saying?
I know this is coming off as negative, but I'm just trying to be realistic. After not getting our update and hearing nothing else about it, I'd be hesitant to believe anything but an official announcement from HTC, not emails/chat from their support staff.
The post on their Facebook isn't really too confidence inspiring.. Basically they're saying that they're working on an update, but have no idea when it'll be done or what it will include, when we were supposed to get GB last month? Come on HTC..
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Based on that thread, their GB update seems to be as "confirmed" as ours. Basically just info from HTC reps, not any sort of official announcement. And there's nothing besides speculation that suggests that the update will be sense 2.1. Our GB update was supposed to be here by the end of Q2, now what are they saying?
I know this is coming off as negative, but I'm just trying to be realistic. After not getting our update and hearing nothing else about it, I'd be hesitant to believe anything but an official announcement from HTC, not emails/chat from their support staff.
The post on their Facebook isn't really too confidence inspiring.. Basically they're saying that they're working on an update, but have no idea when it'll be done or what it will include, when we were supposed to get GB last month? Come on HTC..
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https://www.facebook.com/htcuk/posts/225857300777092
K there's a fairly blatant statement that came 3 days after they said no GB for Desire. That's about as concrete as it gets as far as statements on releases go.
Back to Dinc, the email I received in late April said sometime in quarter 2. Now the emails I receive say "we have to work with Verizon on when & if a ROM update is available."
There is your big difference & you're not coming off as negative or realistic; only uninformed.
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https://www.facebook.com/htcuk/posts/225857300777092
K there's a fairly blatant statement that came 3 days after they said no GB for Desire. That's about as concrete as it gets as far as statements on releases go.
Back to Dinc, the email I received in late April said sometime in quarter 2. Now the emails I receive say "we have to work with Verizon on when & if a ROM update is available."
There is your big difference & you're not coming off as negative or realistic; only uninformed.
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I'm thinking that we might be barking up the wrong tree. Shouldn't we be pestering Verizon instead of HTC? It really sounds like they are the ones that are the road block here.
Anywho, I got the following response from HTC today about my email yesterday:
Thank you for taking the time to contact HTC, badogg. We will gladly assist you with your inquiry regarding the possibility of a Gingerbread update for your HTC Incredible.
We understand that many owners of the HTC Incredible are anxiously awaiting the arrival of new system updates for this device. As for an ETA for the release of these updates, we do not have this available. Currently, we have no information regarding the Gingerbread update for the HTC Incredible.
With regards to Gingerbread specifically, we can confirm that Google and HTC have agreed to provide android operating system upgrades for all HTC devices for up to 18 months after the initial release date of the device, provided of course that the hardware is able to support it.
We wish we had more information to provide you on this topic. The best way to stay on top of any device updates is to follow us on one of our social network sites like Twitter or Facebook, or check on htc.com. Once we have any information on this update it will be posted on these sites first.
We deeply regret that we do not have more specific details to provide for you badogg, and we hope that this does not detract from your overall use and enjoyment of the HTC Incredible. We thank you for your continued patience while we work to enhance the android experience on this device for all android and HTC devotees. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
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badogg said:
I'm thinking that we might be barking up the wrong tree. Shouldn't we be pestering Verizon instead of HTC? It really sounds like they are the ones that are the road block here.
Anywho, I got the following response from HTC today about my email yesterday:
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I see what your saying but I can't recall Verizon changing its mind on anything & they don't seem to cave to bad press whereas HTC does. The best I figure we can do is put pressure on HTC & they would in turn put pressure on Verizon.
Thanks for posting your reply. Interesting ... our hardware is overly capable of GB & 18 months from release for Dinc is this August ....
Just got this from twitter:
poontab: @HTC any news on gingerbread for incredible 1? All similar hardware is getting it Desire, Evo, etc. U haven't even addressed us in 3 months
Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/poontab/status/96333115924029440
htc: @poontab Good question, keep following us here for HTC phone updates.
Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/htc/status/96359461014343680
Nothing... but at least he finally responded. I've been hitting them 3 time's a day every day since I started getting pissed.
Sign the petition here: http://www.change.org/petitions/htt...ndwich-version-for-users-of-the-samsung-i9000
facebook petition page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Petition-Android-40-ICS-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S/311749272184543
4195 signatures! keep signing if you haven't yet done so.
theres no point in starting or doing one as they dont work... no body knows that ics is or is not coming to the galaxy s 1 only samaung dose
got-petrol said:
theres no point in starting or doing one as they dont work... no body knows that ics is or is not coming to the galaxy s 1 only samaung dose
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they do work to some extent. samsung will probably decide the millions of sgs1 owners can just upgrade to a sgs2 or a sgn, and we'll be ignored unless we make our opinion known.
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they do work to some extent. samsung will probably decide the millions of sgs1 owners can just upgrade to a sgs2 or a sgn, and we'll be ignored unless we make our opinion known.
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Making our opinions known will not change the fact that it will cost Samsung money, and possibly prevent them from making money off of us buying newer phones.
If you want it that bad, either cross your fingers or wait for an unofficial release.
Honestly really not much point in doing so. I'd be surprised if Samsung made ICS available to the i9000, but however no petition will make them listen. Developing ICS for the i9000 will cost them a lot of money they will not be willing to spend as the phone is outdated by the SGS 2.
All this threads about ICS while it's not released yet make me feel concerned about xda mods mental sanity for the months to come.
I would MUCH rather we got a petition together to get Samsung to release driver details and source code for the i9000 so that the Cyanogen team can fix the RIL and 720p recording issues
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I would MUCH rather we got a petition together to get Samsung to release driver details and source code for the i9000 so that the Cyanogen team can fix the RIL and 720p recording issues
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if they do, it will be much easier porting ICS(or anything else, really) to our lovely device, where can i sign?
start a petiton stating if samsung drops firmware support for their still best selled device you will move to a brand that can deliver such updates - as "Galaxy Nexus" branch or any other phone maker that will continue to support their devices not promote/force you to use their latest devices to get updated firmware
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start a petiton stating if samsung drops firmware support for their still best selled device you will move to a brand that can deliver such updates - as "Galaxy Nexus" branch or any other phone maker that will continue to support their devices not promote/force you to use their latest devices to get updated firmware
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Well, I am starting to think that we can't find one that has Android in it... Look even Google doesn't support their Nexus One that is more than capable to handle ICS. In less than 2 years time they will drop support for Galaxy Nexus claiming it is too old again... It's simply a shame.
It hurts me to say this but I am starting to admit that Android has failed in its purpose of proving that it was different in terms of policies than Apple. It's the same s***....
nexus one never was a primary phone for google - it was nexuss, but still i am suprised that they droped 'nexus one'
at least google will not get distorted like samsung with all their devices to release buggy firmwares
google devices always her latest and well developed updates & support - samsung fails to do that
and on the top of that 2 years is normal contract lenght (and most of us got 'contract phones')
so best time to sign new 'pact with the devil' and get new google phone
if nothing will change from samsung on that i will surley not buy samsung phone (but samsung+google yes due to 'working updates/support)
to be honest i see even wave/bada getting more attention/love from samsung
check this vid: [Wave 3] Official Live Demo
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nexus one never was a primary phone for google - it was nexuss, but still i am suprised that they droped 'nexus one'
at least google will not get distorted like samsung with all their devices to release buggy firmwares
google devices always her latest and well developed updates & support - samsung fails to do that
and on the top of that 2 years is normal contract lenght (and most of us got 'contract phones')
so best time to sign new 'pact with the devil' and get new google phone
if nothing will change from samsung on that i will surley not buy samsung phone (but samsung+google yes due to 'working updates/support)
to be honest i see even wave/bada getting more attention/love from samsung
check this vid: [Wave 3] Official Live Demo
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Don't be so sure that Google will be better than Samsung in that department. I don't think Nexus S will get a new major Android update after ICS but let's see...
This idea that you have to buy another phone every 2 years is completely out of reality. I don't want to spend 400€ for a new phone every 2 years. It's completely unacceptable. And if this rumor that I9000 is not getting it becomes true, then I will try my best to discourage Android for anyone I know and is thinking in getting a new phone. I suggest everyone else that feels like this to do the same and try to stop these companies of doing those practices.
NexusS will be supported until the phone that will follow Galaxy Nexus, something simmilar that we witness now
i get my phone for free every 2 years =) thats why i do not see a problem in exchanging it in this time period :]
trust me, no ics for i9000 is not an option, i9000 is their best seller for the moment.
leaving all shose people wo latest firmware upgrade would not be logic.
they are aware how many people would be pissed at them due that fact.
they were ahead when releasing sgs/nexuss now competition is catching up very quick
i do notthink that they are ready to piss so many people
question is how long will it be supported with ics updates and i guess this will decrease untill sgs3 release after witch it will stop
you all need to take a chill pill. think of it this way: until samsung will release an update for the existing phones they will release an ICS device and after that they will try, hopefully, to update them and that could take some time and i don't think they will update a phone that will be so "old". it's logical... if they update the sgs and sgs2 to ICS why would you buy the next phone? if you were stuck on 2.1 or 2.2 on your sgs you would have taken into consideration to buy sgs2 but knowing that the differences between sgs and sgs2 are in terms of camera proc and size you are not willing to do this... damn that was a long message that no one will read
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you all need to take a chill pill. think of it this way: until samsung will release an update for the existing phones they will release an ICS device and after that they will try, hopefully, to update them and that could take some time and i don't think they will update a phone that will be so "old". it's logical... if they update the sgs and sgs2 to ICS why would you buy the next phone? if you were stuck on 2.1 or 2.2 on your sgs you would have taken into consideration to buy sgs2 but knowing that the differences between sgs and sgs2 are in terms of camera proc and size you are not willing to do this... damn that was a long message that no one will read
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Your thinking is wrong. If Samsung doesn't update their 400€ phones that are 1 year and a half old (And don't even care to do proper QA), then why should you buy another one that will get no updates after that period, even when the hardware can handle it very well? And then you look at Apple that updates their old 3GS (that runs at least twice as fast as the Galaxy S stock)... What reason has Apple to update the 3GS when they just launched the 4S? This is how you gain customer loyalty!
If at least the phone worked well stock, then I wouldn't complain much. But take JVT firmware as an example. It has so many bugs and is so slow!!! How can they do it with this hardware??????????????????
i will not buy SGS2/3 if i will not see ICS on SGS1, i would not want to get stuck again with no updates because they want to sell me their next, new phone
also with ICS on SGS i am aware that it could be missing some features from Galaxy Nexus version, and that it will not be as fast as on newer devices
i do not think that i am the only one that when considering GT-I9000 purchase was looking at this info/fact also
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@boliveira2 it's called consumption market... they want you to buy the newest ones otherwise they could just try to develop and optimize android os for all version (a little exaggeration i know) so you could run it on any phone... cyanogen released 7.1 for the Moto Cliq that didn't even get a 1.6 update here but they managed to do something about it... it's all marketing... why would they waste money and time and man power to update an old phone? i know it is disappointing, i am in the same boat as you... i'm not happy about this but this is it... i hope that i am wrong but... BTW is gingerbread official for all sgs's? i mean anyone can upgrade using kies?
us carrier variants seems to have froyo still same as some countries for gt-i9000 did not upgraded due to the bugs in gb (ex poland)
looks like samsung got overwhelmed by the variety of devices they support and obligations to google to update asap to latest firmware version (that "with Google" partnership) what resulted in overall mess ;]
I think in the end if you want the latest updates for a long time you have to buy the Google phones, period.
It's a shame but that's just the way it is. I think if many people turned their noses at the Samsung/HTC/Motorola-branded phones until they improve their updates they might actually get the picture. As it is most people rush out to get the latest, shiniest closed-driver carrier-specific device and then complain about updates later.
Perhaps this will change now that many Android users are more experienced and have learned their lesson, like so many of us here. If a huge chunk of us ignore devices other than Nexus they might get the point. One thing they may have to do if they really get serious about better updates is tell the carriers, especially the glacial ones here in North America, to screw off and stay out of it. Apple and Nexus phones get their frequent and timely updates mostly because the carriers are out of the loop.
What most have also forgotten is Google want ICS to stop fragmentation but what's happened is its made it worse.
Doing a petition to google to force samsung to roll out ICS
Samsung are clearly using this to sell devices as always
Then after that you have networks to sort as Vodafone in the UK have not released any updates to the Galaxy s past 2.3.3
Google phones get updates faster then from samsung and networks but the Galaxy Nexus is not that good i'll wait for the Motorola Nexus next time round
The rom is designed to work on the Nexus s and the specs are almost the same as the Galaxy s
Fragmentation Kills Android
I was just looking at Engadget, and I saw this: http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/17/bell-mobility-hints-at-ice-cream-sandwich-release-dates-for-gala/
Here is what the article it says:
"We've come across an internal document from Bell Mobility that's bound to raise the hopes of a few good Canadians. Yes folks, we're talking Ice Cream Sandwich. The carrier to the north estimates that it'll have Android 4.0 ready for the Sensation in February, which is to be followed by the Raider's update in March -- this handset may be more familiar to AT&T customers as the Vivid. Pulling up the rear, users of the Galaxy S II are to expect the upgrade in April, and while the Optimus LTE is also mentioned, there's no specific time frame for that one. Certainly estimated release dates don't always come to fruition, but at least we know what Bell's aiming for, anyway."
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I really hope this estimate is wrong, what do you think?
Kp1. Maybe P = April
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I think that is the date the Galaxy SII will get ICS on that carrier. Remember that a lot of carriers delay updates to their phones so they can be "certified". Also, if we already have a pretty much working build of ICS (give or take a few force closes and battery life), how can it take them so long to polish it?
At this stage i have to say im a bit pissed off that we still haven't been given ICS for our SGSII why cant they just release all the necessary code required so developers can do their thing.
Bell is very, very slow at releasing official firmware updates. As far as I know the SGSII still comes with their carrier branded 2.3.3
If they're releasing in April and that happens to be at the same time as ICS goes global, I'd be very, very, VERY surprised. Just a possibility.
I will be issed also if it isn't released by February by the latest, if it isn't i think ill be getting a nexus phone next year.
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I will be issed also if it isn't released by February by the latest, if it isn't i think ill be getting a nexus phone next year.
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I think I am going to get the next nexus phone regardless of when we get ICS for the GS2.
to be honest i hope they dont rush it , it isnt just building ics for their hardware it needs intensive testing as well
the sgs2 has shipped over 10 million units now , releasing a firmware with bugs in it could do more harm then good and id rather wait and get a rock solid ics for our phones and for the devs to have a solid base to tweak from
lets face it they got the firmware the phone shipped with pretty dam good and i hope too see a nice stable ics release from them too
i use my phone to much to be using beta software and ive had enough nokias in my time and had enough of unstable buggy firmware and waiting for patches to come to fix the bugs
i think april sounds about right for a genuine samsung firmware that has been fully tested for stabillity and compatabillity with apps and extras
Does not sound like an xda developer member...just sayin'
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jonny68 said:
At this stage i have to say im a bit pissed off that we still haven't been given ICS for our SGSII why cant they just release all the necessary code required so developers can do their thing.
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Here we go again!
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Here we go again!
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They do it because they're mean. But I guess they don't like law suits either. Mean.
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This really means nothing for international GS2's. More than likely Samsung's ICS will release in late December/early January and those on XDA will have it looong before Bell in Canada.
Bell is an North America carrier which does not have any Apple vs. Samsung court cases.
Yet, rest of the world do. That's why I can certainly say that Ice Cream Sandwich for SGS II & Galaxy Tabs will be the fastest delivery of an Android distribution (from Google release to End users) Samsung ever made.
That date is for carrier branded phones.
For international phones it would be much sooner.
I'm expecting mid Jan
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how can it take them so long to polish it?
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Dude... Have you ever tried to polish ice cream? Took me ages and it still wasnt that shiney...
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Well let see when is ICS released Foote galaxy S2. There is no even ant sign of CM9. Earlier there was issue of mic not working during call. Now after release of the leak version, lots of stuff are working but unstable, but now no any news of CM9 for galaxy S2. It seems we have to depend on Samsung rather then cm9 team for ICS. Developers pls don't be hurt. Almost all devices are getting ICS except S2. It really feels bad that we are deprived of the same. Thanks
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Hope you guys that live in Europe get the update Asap. Here in Latin America (Brazil), we will receive the update maybe on Q3 2012. But, i really hope that all of us can get CM9 before April.
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Well let see when is ICS released Foote galaxy S2. There is no even ant sign of CM9. Earlier there was issue of mic not working during call. Now after release of the leak version, lots of stuff are working but unstable, but now no any news of CM9 for galaxy S2. It seems we have to depend on Samsung rather then cm9 team for ICS. Developers pls don't be hurt. Almost all devices are getting ICS except S2. It really feels bad that we are deprived of the same. Thanks
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Its actually samsung's fault they haven't got it working yet. Samsung hasn't released kernel sources yet. I think the main obstacle right now for cm9 is the RIL is unstable. Codeworkx said once they can stabilize that they'd probably have a beta soon after. Kernel sources would give the cm9 team what they need to get RIL stable. So when we get that or a leak with stable RIL we should get cm9. I totally believe the cm team will get to the finish line long before Samsung. The other devices already getting alphas and betas of cm9 must just be easier to get working. I've read the galaxy sII is "unique" to code for because of the hardware.
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At this stage i have to say im a bit pissed off that we still haven't been given ICS for our SGSII why cant they just release all the necessary code required so developers can do their thing.
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There's still a lot of work to be done by Sammy.
They can't release something they don't have - makes sense, doesn't it?
As for the second part of your statement: They did. KP1, nuff said.
Definitely for that carrier.
KP1 is already released and all the major functions work. So another month max it will take to release the stable version.
And I didn't pay 600 US$ to Devs, but Samsung, so it's their responsibility to release it at time, hence I don't give a damn what Devs are doing.
Still I think Samsung should take a little bit of extra time, if it's needed, it's far better to release a Stable version than releasing a non stable one in a hurry. Also Google said that they would like the manufacturers to use 4.0.3 as the base version, so I don't know if Samsung will give us 4.0.1 like KP1 or directly 4.0.3.
Google also wants 4.0.3 as the base version of Ice Cream Sandwich to be used by Android handset manufacturers.
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Source:
http://www.gsmarena.com/gsm_galaxy_nexus_gets_402_update_403_announced_already-news-3533.php