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[Q] Should I buy Defy+, considering no downgrade?

Hey all, well I wanna buy defy+ but have read all over the places that defy+ can't be downgraded. What if I installed ICS/CM9, will be be able to get back to normal sbf?
Am not noob, but confused, also tell me more things that I must know
Thanks in advance

supersurfer88 said:
Hey all, well I wanna buy defy+ but have read all over the places that defy+ can't be downgraded. What if I installed ICS/CM9, will be be able to get back to normal sbf?
Am not noob, but confused, also tell me more things that I must know
Thanks in advance
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Yes u can go stock from ica
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can you link me to the thread, or some procedures. How can I get back to the stock ?
thanks

If you install ice cream sandwich, there won't be any troubles because it's not an actual upgrade (in the sense that only /system dir and the kernel will change). Thus, you just have to flash the right sbf in order to go back to defy+ official android build.
Use RSD Lite to flash a sbf.
SBF list: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966537
RSD Lite: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1100585

Direct Answer: You can go ahead and buy the Defy+.
You should be able to use Gingerbread with absolutely no problems. And there is no point in downgrading to Froyo.
And once, ICS is out, you may work with either Gingerbread or ICS.
PS: Motorola just released the entire source code for Gingerbread.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/motodefyplus.motorola/files/DefyPlusGC/4.5.2-109_DHT-22/

prasannavl said:
And once, ICS is out, you may work with either Gingerbread or ICS.
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IF I update to ICS stable, will I be able to get back to GB SBF if I don't like ICS?

Hard unlock Sim

I have asked to my telecoms operator the unsimlock code for my Defy, it said is yet unlocked but it is not
I have flash a full sbf 2.3.6. Before it was a 2.3.4.
Motorola can't give any code.
Is there a way to show to the operator that is still locked? Or a non paid way to have the unlock code (it's free with my operator)
I know that is a way to have a soft unock but only with cm7 or miui.
But i prefer a hard unlock for motorola rom.
THX.
Defy+ / 4.5.1-134_DFP-139 / 45.0.1390.MB526.Retail.en.FR
Bouygues telecom fr.

Always complain in a retail center. Take your defy, show him, let him call to services. Be persistent, not rude.
Indeed you could use a softunlock for CM7 or MIUI, don't know if you could for stock.

Thx for the answer. I have try this morning the softunlock with cm7 Nightly ( the only one cm7 i can install) but don't work . I think that the softunlock is only for 2.2.

Could you please try to install the nightly again and then flash the zip from my latest post on that threat?
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The zip
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=908455&d=1329605492

Also you can try to write at russian forum - motofan.ru ( i'm not able to post link there...)
Just write IMEI and your model to them, probably you'll receive unlock code.
If you won't, only way is patch.

labsin said:
Could you please try to install the nightly again and then flash the zip from my latest post on that threat?
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Thx. i have try but don't work anymore. I have flashed the cm7 zip, then, before reboot, flashed your zip. Trying to change baseband too but don't work.

Hellmanor said:
If you won't, only way is patch.
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Yes, but for the moment not possible to find any patch for 2.3

Witch CM7 version are you using? Could you attach the files in defy_simlock_originals on your sdcard?

Could do the froyo for bl6 patch it from there and re install cm7
teamwork makes the dream work

labsin said:
Witch CM7 version are you using?
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cm72-120127.0846-NIGHTLY-Defy+.zip
others don't work because of a 2.3.6 full sbf.
labsin said:
Could you attach the files in defy_simlock_originals on your sdcard?
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Sorry but i don't understand what you want to say.
Could do the froyo for bl6 patch it from there and re install cm7
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Do you mean to follow this way below? But i'm afraid this way don't work with Defy+?
Common Problems/Questions
Black Screens when booting up: (!) Tried to install a version of Android with a lower CG Version than the one currently on the phone.
Weird behavior after installing a Fixed SBF: Install a matching Nandroid backup with your SBF, and remember to clear Cache/Dalvik Cache using Recovery.
Installed full Gingerbread SBF and can’t go back to another rom: (!) aha! We have a issue here!, latest Stock Gingerbread full SBFs comes with a Version 5 of the CG, meaning until not long ago you were pretty much screwed. But wait, there is hope! A one kind Éclair has been found in China Defys that comes with Version 5 CG!.
How to fix it:
Download this SBF and Flash it
Root your Phone
Download 2nd Init 1.4.2 and Install ClockworkMod Recovery
Download and install this Nandroid Backup
Enter Recovery, Wipe Data/Cache
After wiping, turn off your phone
Turn it on and get immediately into Bootloader mode
Flash this Fixed SBF
Delete Data/Cache again and reboot.
You WONT be able to install full SBFs of any Éclair or Froyo since these Androids have lower CG Versions.
**NOTE*: I just rephrased the original post since it can be a bit confusing, it is linked as source below.
**NOTE2**: If you are using a non-Chinese defy, DO NOT USE THE CAMERA FLASH while on the Chinese rom, it WILL kill your LED.
Source: ((Original post here))
How to Install CM7 after Installing a Full Gingerbread SBF: (!) Ok, first of all do all the steps above on "Installed full Gingerbread SBF and can’t go back to another rom"
Root your Defy (Using SuperOneClick 1.7 and not 1.9).
Install SystemRecovery from GoAPK. If you install 2nd init, you'll just get into a boot loop and have to start over.
Reboot to recovery. Do a factory wipe, then do the cache wipe.
Install CM7 .Zip and then gapps zip file. DO NOT wipe again, you'll just go back to 2.2.2 CEE (if you accidentally do this, you can pick up again from step 3).
profit!
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Yes it works with Defy+ if you are on a bld6 rom (not for the bld7 roms)
My patch from a couple posts back makes a copy of the patched file on your sdcard in the folder defy_simlock_originals. Could you post them here?
Don't know if the module works with the gingerbread kernel. That's why it is a good idea to try to get CM7 with froyo kernel. It's also handy if you wan't to install other roms (WIUI ...)
But could you fist give those files? Maybe i've made a mistake again ^^.
Edit:
Sorry you don't have the right guide. That one is for bld5 downgrade.
Here is for bld6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1486731

labsin said:
My patch from a couple posts back makes a copy of the patched file on your sdcard in the folder defy_simlock_originals.Could you post them here?
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Again, thank you for your help and time
(I have put .txt for upload)

The file is similar to the normal defy one as far as I can tell that must have done it... So prob. faullt of different kernel. You could try to downgrade and use CM7 on froyo kernel.

labsin said:
The file is similar to the normal defy one as far as I can tell that must have done it... So prob. faullt of different kernel. You could try to downgrade and use CM7 on froyo kernel.
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Ok i'll try tomorrow

labsin said:
The file is similar to the normal defy one as far as I can tell that must have done it... So prob. faullt of different kernel. You could try to downgrade and use CM7 on froyo kernel.
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I have change the kernel with THIS METHOD
after, try with WIUI 2.2.17: no network; then with update-cm-7.1.0-11-Defy-signed: no network, even when changing baseband.
So, if all that i have made is right, maybe it's not fault of kernel.
Other difference between MB526 and MB525?

You get 'no network' all the time, even with the sim from the right provider, also without the patch?
I think you're the fist to try on a defy+. Maybe look to the Russian fora...
edit: And can you tell me what your Baseband version is? (in settings > about)
edit2: If it is EPU93_U_00.59.01 Try it after installing RC1.5 from here: http://www.defy-cm.net/jordan-cm7.1-RC/

labsin said:
You get 'no network' all the time, even with the sim from the right provider, also without the patch?
I think you're the fist to try on a defy+. Maybe look to the Russian fora...
edit: And can you tell me what your Baseband version is? (in settings > about)
edit2: If it is EPU93_U_00.59.01 Try it after installing RC1.5 from here: http://www.defy-cm.net/jordan-cm7.1-RC/
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no network only with wrong provider: with the patch no code ask, but no network even with other baseband.
Yes it is EPU93_U_00.59.01 (cm7.2 working on defy+ as well)
with RC1.5 no boot after files install, stuck on google logo.
Now i have flash fix sbf to use 2.3.6 rom because of no battery problems and better battery life. So i'll wait and ask again to my operator.
Now baseband is EPU_U_00.60.03
Do you think if i'm able to put a official operator rom it will see that is no desimlocked? i don't have made backup of my official rom (newbie mistake ) so i have ask here if it's possible with this method.

Blocking by TI OMAP 3630
I have read this:
Blocking the Bootloader by TI OMAP 3630
Why and how is it locked Defy?
While Linux is Open Source Motorola keeps the Defy the locked bootloader. Why?
For commercial reasons of course: avoid too many warranty returns from sorcerer's apprentices who brické their phone, for example (although care is denied you still have to manage the folders!) But also the traders (who manage some of the guaranteed returns, but not that ... we shall see below).
So Motorola maintains bootoader of our favorite phone is not locked and ready to unlock the last views of Roma making the switch to SBF rootage and even more difficult. But the fact how this lock is it made?
Unlike other phones (other brands, but also other brand models *) easy to unlock, the Defy is equipped with a TI OMAP 3630 chip that manages its technology via "M-Shield technology 'in this block. So we did not do a software problem but rather a problem if one CPU is addressing this release.
This technology also manages the simlockage phone which also explains why the operators are far from favorable to the release of Defy.
No one arrived today to crack this lock: it should have the tool from Texas Instruments where he provided to authorized repairers to put the Motorola Defy mode "SE" (Systems Engineering) for this.
* These phones using Qualcomm chips or other, do not bénéfiecient techonologie the M-Shield and are much easier to unlock.
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(Google trad) Or here in french

stucked at jrdan u97.21.51
I am new at this my defy went dead when tried to upgrade to 2.2 did not have backup. I searched the web and only jrdan u 97.21.51 will work and canot go back or change any more to any other roms. tried the rsd lite to flash diferent roms and nothing works. tried rom manager and 2ndinit recovery and nothing i get black screen. Is there anyway to get out of this? Please help

sion123 said:
I am new at this my defy went dead when tried to upgrade to 2.2 did not have backup. I searched the web and only jrdan u 97.21.51 will work and canot go back or change any more to any other roms. tried the rsd lite to flash diferent roms and nothing works. tried rom manager and 2ndinit recovery and nothing i get black screen. Is there anyway to get out of this? Please help
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Wrong thread i think.
Have you try a wipe cache and data in stock recovery before rsdlite? see here how to do with Froyo

Accidentally flashed full sbf

So here it is, I accidentally picked the chinese JDGC_2.13.0 while flashing sbf and now my defy is a ME525 when I look into the phone information.
That sbf does not seem to be downgradable, as I only get a black screen after flashing any other sbf I used before, meaning the stock froyo or the nordic.
I seriously don't know what to do now. Is there something I can do to downgrade or make my phone a MB525 again?

I hate to break this to you,but i think you are screwed.If it is under warranty,give it to your service centre and act as if you know nothing.That is the best advice i can give you.Try to ask senior members about this and see if there is a way out of this.

you flashed a bl3 rom and now you cant downgrade to any froyo rom you flash this china rom and you need to have a froyo nanndroid buckap and an fixed sbf

tanarez said:
So here it is, I accidentally picked the chinese JDGC_2.13.0 while flashing sbf and now my defy is a ME525 when I look into the phone information.
That sbf does not seem to be downgradable, as I only get a black screen after flashing any other sbf I used before, meaning the stock froyo or the nordic.
I seriously don't know what to do now. Is there something I can do to downgrade or make my phone a MB525 again?
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Upgrade to a non chinese BL4 Froyo. Or if you wish you may update to a GB BL6!! However then your phone will become MB526(Defy+) and you won't be able to downgrade to Froyo again!
You can find them here or go to dev section of XDA...
You may also need this Defy Image tools Use them to check the BL version... (smgver.exe)

pranks1989 said:
Upgrade to a non chinese BL4 Froyo. Or if you wish you may update to a GB BL6!! However then your phone will become MB526(Defy+) and you won't be able to downgrade to Froyo again!
You can find them here or go to dev section of XDA...
You may also need this Defy Image tools
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He would be able to downgrade to Froyo. There is a Chinese BL6 Froyo sbf available in the forums.

niksy+ said:
He would be able to downgrade to Froyo. There is a Chinese BL6 Froyo sbf available in the forums.
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Ya I tried that once when i wanted to try the CM9 nightly for Defy.. But its a chinese and have the potential to fry your LED!!!

got a defy, what do i need to flash custom rom?

hi people,
i have a SE x10 mini and its flashed with latest naa kernal and CM7mini.
im swapping it for a motorola defy tomorrow and just want some general answers if possible.
i see on the cm7 instructions it says *Flash froyo* then from clockwork install the .zip. ( similar to x10 mini )
but what steps do i need to take once i get the phone?
do i need to root it first then install a custom recovery first? or can i just chuck the CM7.zip on the sd card and flash?
im a little confused as i have only owned this x10 mini and i know how to flash kernals etc to this phone, just confused with the motorola
any help would be appreciated
regards

come on, at least look at the big Q & A threads before burdening others. I saying this to you instead of answering your questin, so that you at least give the matter some attention yourselves.
May the search be with you!

lol,
i have been reading up.
im not sure on this froyo, eclair etc
how would i know what i have when i get it?
will it say froyo in settings?
with the x10mini its all pretty much easy, no need to find what version or anything, just download cm7mini flash naa and flash.
so im a little confused with the defy,
ive been reading up and understand enough,
but i take it the steps i take is
To root the phone
install the 2ins app to install recovery
then flash cm9?
or do i need to use RSD lite to flash the froyo rom first?
reading the faq is pretty straight forward but i havnt seen the phone yet ( played around with it) so im not sure of the version etc.
im in the uk

in settings it provide ur the Android version. 2.2.2 is froyo... but ... that's not the only problem. from were u buy the phone? reseller or from private
Jelly powered.Defy

From a shop. Swapping it
Sent from my mini cp using tapatalk 2

ok than ur don't had a problem with the bootloader! it's not that easy as for ur x10mini cause the locked bl in the defy.
in general section is a thread there u find 'custom' sbf files, that u can flash with rsd light. it's the easiest way to get a good ROM on the defy, in only one step. the files are all rooted and with 2nd init. from that point u easy can flash other ROM through CWM, only beware for higher bootloader. ur defy is maximum bl5 I think.
Jelly powered.Defy
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link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1691901
Edit2: and before u ask, we don't can flash custom kernel, only custom ROM.

how do i find out what bl# i have?
will it say in rsd lite?
regards

dreamz12345 said:
how do i find out what bl# i have?
will it say in rsd lite?
regards
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No, rsdlite cant say ur the bl version,
ur can use the tool u find in that post
and if ur dont speak chinese in that post u have the answer for the cryptic buttons :good:

First of all, what kind of defy will you get?
Defy, Defy+ or Defy Mini?
The steps to install a custom rom are very easy.
1. root your defy
2 install cwm
3. make a nandroid backup with cwm
4. download the Rom you want to install
5. reboot into cwm and install the Rom.
This is a short instruction. For details instruction go to the Defy developments threads. There you find detailed instructions, and how to install custom Roms.
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It depends on which rom that you want to install and if you have green or red lense (because of the kernel).
But you will find these infos in the instructions of the rom thread.

Rooting Defy+.

Hey.
I want to root my Defy+, mainly to remove some bloatware apps and install root-required apps.
I've been trying SuperOneClick, gets stuck in #7, even after trying the solutions the developer suggested on a topic in this very forum.
Also tried OneClickRoot, the app said my phone is root-able but failed.
How can I successfully root my Defy+? I've been constanty banging my head against the wall trying to do so.
Thanks in advance.
Ron. :good:

First, tell me your Defy+ build number.
Settings> about phone> Build number
What matters is the number set "DFP-xxx".

Super one click or any other software won't work for rooting defy+
There are 4-5 threads for rooting defy+ which works perfectly....
Please use time in searching it rather than posting new threads with similar topics
Sent from my MB526 using xda premium

intemptesta said:
First, tell me your Defy+ build number.
Settings> about phone> Build number
What matters is the number set "DFP-xxx".
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DFP-231.
vedang81 said:
Super one click or any other software won't work for rooting defy+
There are 4-5 threads for rooting defy+ which works perfectly....
Please use time in searching it rather than posting new threads with similar topics
Sent from my MB526 using xda premium
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I did search this forum, and the internet itself, I suppose I didnt search good enough.
Can you link me to one of these threads?
I found some threads that included upgrading your android version, I don't want that. I'm happy with my 2.3.6, just want to root.
Thanks in advance.

TheBirdOfHermes said:
DFP-231.
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As expected.
DFP-231 build has new bootloader version called BL7, it's newer and any root program won't work on it.
Here, if you use this build number to do the search, this topic might show up; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1542956
Flashing rooted rom is the only way we have for BL7 device.

intemptesta said:
As expected.
DFP-231 build has new bootloader version called BL7, it's newer and any root program won't work on it.
Here, if you use this build number to do the search, this topic might show up; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1542956
Flashing rooted rom is the only way we have for BL7 device.
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Hi.
I'm kind of a dummy about "flashing", what does it mean?
Can you explain to me or simply just point me out to a guide about how to flash rooted rom?
Thanks!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216982
[GUIDE] All-in-One Defy Beginner's guide
Read about "How to Flash" and don't just flash SBF randomly, use only ones you need.

intemptesta said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216982
[GUIDE] All-in-One Defy Beginner's guide
Read about "How to Flash" and don't just flash SBF randomly, use only ones you need.
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Thanks a lot!
One last thing, I dont want to flash a new version of android on my phone, I want to keep my Android version 2.3.6. Where can I downloaded a rooted rom for this version?

Those rooted roms I provide are also DFP-231, android 2.3.6 the same as your current stock rom. So no worries.
But it's baseband may differ from your region, read about and use Basebandswitcher to fix it after root.

intemptesta said:
Those rooted roms I provide are also DFP-231, android 2.3.6 the same as your current stock rom. So no worries.
But it's baseband may differ from your region, read about and use Basebandswitcher to fix it after root.
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Now my phone is all in English. I want to make it appear in Hebrew, or at least have Hebrew in typing languages. How can I add Hebrew? I dont have it in the exisiting languages list.

Nah instead of finding stock roms that contains Hebrew, I suggest using a custom rom that (likely) have one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1140839
Since your Defy+ are rooted, install CWM from this guide and go try MS2Ginger! Hope they had it.
About keyboard, try looking for one with your language in Play Store.