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Appologies for duplicating this post here and on the accessories forum but needed a quick answer!
Anyone technically minded who can answer this....
I am using a HTC Touch Pro mains charger for my X1 (as it has a longer cable) which charges the X1 fully.
I did notice the back of the X1 getting a little warm, so double checked the outputs on the original X1 charger and the TouchPro one.
X1 = 5v 700mA
TouchPro = 5v 1A
Is this likely to be a problem?
You should definately not mix power adapters like that. On the other hand they both use mini-USB plugs so if they follow the USB standard (Battery Charging Specification) you are okay. The spec allows for up to 1,8 A, but that does not mean the X1 can take it.
I would have rather bought an extension cable for the X1 charger. Then you are safe _if_ anything happens and you damage your X1. :|
If you need a longer cable, just plug in a standard USB extension cable It will work perfectly and you can extend to plenty of meters if you need to.
Regarding the use of the 1A charger, I don't think it will be that much of a problem, but I wouldn't count on it to cause no problems either. The battery getting warm is not that odd when charging, as batteries generally generate heat when they get charged. The fact that it gets warmer with the 1A, instead of the 0.7A charger, is just because you charge the battery quicker, which in turn causes more heat. You should keep it mind though that heat is a bad thing for LiIon batteries like the X1 uses. Having it being warm reduces lifetime quicker then when it's cool.
maedox said:
You should definately not mix power adapters like that. On the other hand they both use mini-USB plugs so if they follow the USB standard (Battery Charging Specification) you are okay. The spec allows for up to 1,8 A, but that does not mean the X1 can take it.
I would have rather bought an extension cable for the X1 charger. Then you are safe _if_ anything happens and you damage your X1. :|
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Thanks for your help. I assumed - like you - that USB was USB in regards to power output. But I will take your advice and get an extension and stop using the old one.
Cheers
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What I've seen on battery charging on mobile phones is that they have an internal intelligent charging system, at least the Siemens and Wavecom systems I've been using.
LiIon batteries are normally charged using constant voltage/constant current until a certain voltage level is reached, ~4.2V for 3.6V batteries. Then the charge current is reduced with a constant voltage until the charging current reaches zero. This implies that from a 5V charger there has to be some sort of internal charging system to make it work.
If you get a charger for USB it is the internal system that handles the current rate, not the charger. The specs on the charger shows the maximum current possible, not the charger's constant charge rate.
So if the phone's internal charging system thinks it's ok with 1A it will use it, but as mentioned earlier, it will produce more heat, but with a faster charging.
Though USB charging specs is limited to 1.8A, most charging circuits is possible to set to less current, with some part charging the battery, the rest powering the phone.
on8a said:
What I've seen on battery charging on mobile phones is that they have an internal intelligent charging system, at least the Siemens and Wavecom systems I've been using.
LiIon batteries are normally charged using constant voltage/constant current until a certain voltage level is reached, ~4.2V for 3.6V batteries. Then the charge current is reduced with a constant voltage until the charging current reaches zero. This implies that from a 5V charger there has to be some sort of internal charging system to make it work.
If you get a charger for USB it is the internal system that handles the current rate, not the charger. The specs on the charger shows the maximum current possible, not the charger's constant charge rate.
So if the phone's internal charging system thinks it's ok with 1A it will use it, but as mentioned earlier, it will produce more heat, but with a faster charging.
Though USB charging specs is limited to 1.8A, most charging circuits is possible to set to less current, with some part charging the battery, the rest powering the phone.
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Thanks very much that's very informative.
I am wondering if the X1 has this internal intelligent charging system you mentioned. Would be useful to know.
Actually the mA ratings are what the charger can deliver. Not what they actually will deliver. A 700mA rated charger will supply up to 700mA if asked for by the device. This is a two way thing. The charger side will never provide more than it's maximum rating, it's a built in safety thing. The charged side should never ask for more than it can handle, providing that it is a well built piece of electronics. I trust the X1 to be well built on this. USB standards rate a maximum of 500mA for high power devices. The X1 does adapt and thus will charge slower.
Glad this is being discussed; as my X1 is a UK model, I don't have a US wall charger.
I found some on monoprice.com, see under the Power to USB section at the bottom:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311
They have 3 varieties:
High-Speed WALL Power to USB Female Converter (1000mah) - Black
High-Speed WALL Power to USB Female Converter (1000mah) - White
[**cant tell a discernable difference between those two, but one is larger...**]
WALL Power to USB Female CHARGER Converter - Black (500mah)
[**many people complaining about this not charging their devices; either it really does suck or they didnt get one with enough output**]
I WONT kill the phone picking up a 1000mah?
Anyone else in my situation needing a new US charger, this site has great prices on this stuff... these adapters are under 2 bucks, and USB cables are super-cheap too!
Hi.
What is a correct voltage to charge Xperia's battery?
Is it 4.3V, 4.6V, 4.7V or 5V?
I took my Xperia from some cheap shop with no original wall charger and I'm not sure the original USB cable doesn't decrease the USB 5V to something less.
Also what is the maximum current I can use for charging? Can I use a custom made power supply with 1A or 1.5A? That would be much faster for 1500mAh Xperia's battery...
Thanks in advance.
miniUSB is always 5volts
but with all such things
it works with +-20%
and yes you can use different levels of amps
which is also why the wall charger charge much faster
then having it charge over usb
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Thanks.
I just now discovered the battery is actually 3.6V 1500mAh and not 4.6V as I thought earlier. That means the X1 has internal voltage regulation circuit to downgrade USB or the wall charger's 5V to 3.6V.
What I was afraid of the original USB cable has internal 5V-to-3.6V regulator. But as far as I can see the only things it has are two ferrite blocks.
I believe now I can supply 5V 1A (up to 1.5A) to Xperia without risking to ruin tho phone. Better add a diode to further protect the unit...
Stock SE charger is 5v 700mah.
USB from PC supplies 100ma. This is why USB from PC takes forever to charge if phone is not off or in standby.
Do mind that it's generally better for a battery if you charge it slowly.
Ok, I do understand the idea of slow charge is better vs the fast one.
I'm going to build a permanent car charger unit with about 4.7-5.0V 500-600mA.
Thanks to everyone.
Almost all cellular phones/PDAs have an internal charge (including the xperia) circuit that does all that is needed for the battery to safely recharge, for the newer the battery technology the charger circuit is more complex.
Also, the internal circuit "sets" the battery current charge according the actual level of remaining charge, while the battery is almost completely discharged, the circuit (hence the phone) ask for more current to the power supply.
My xperia charger is rated 5V, 1A, maximum allowed current for a computer USB port is 500mA (total for all available ports), most computers do monitor (if at all) the total current of usb ports, thus if you have only the xperia connected, the computer most likely will supply up to 500mA to it, only expensive mother boards tend to have a better current control for usb ports.
Stick closer to the 5V required, normally, once you exceed the current needs of the PDA -in terms of charger power availabilty-, all that exceeding current availability will be left unused -if everything's ok with the phone and the battery.
Not cheap, but this is what I'm going to fit to my motorbike
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/17362.htm
Hello everyone,
I was wondering how far the nexus 4 can be pushed concerning charging...
I noticed normal charger on AC mode goes 1.2A, if you use USB socket of your pc it only charges 0.5A.
What is the maximum of A that the Nexus 4's battery can go? In other words if I took a 2.1A charger How much of that would it actually use?
Thanks
Chargers don't push, devices draw. You could put a 50 amp charger on it, it won't draw any more current than with the stock charger.
Solutions Etcetera said:
Chargers don't push, devices draw. You could put a 50 amp charger on it, it won't draw any more current than with the stock charger.
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So it can only draw 1.2A physically?
Is it technically possible for the device to draw more?
Is it a physical lumutation or a software limitation?
Not really, Nexus 4 Draw arround 700-900mA even with a
2.1A Charger...!
Artego said:
So it can only draw 1.2A physically?
Is it technically possible for the device to draw more?
Is it a physical lumutation or a software limitation?
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Given a constant voltage, the load (circuit) determines the current flow.
Think of 85 watt/120 volt light bulb. When connected to 120v outlet, it always draw 85w. No matter if 1 amp is available, or 20 amps, it will always draw the same amount of current.
Unless of course you increase voltage. Voltage is pressure, current is flow. Increasing voltage will push more current given the same load. Of course, increasing voltage can also damage devices that are not designed for it. Try plugging a 12v light bulb into 120v... POP!
The charging circuit inside the phone determines the load that is presented to the supply. The reason it only draws 500ma when plugged into a computer USB port is because the phone is smart enough to know it is connected to a computer because of signal on the data pins (2 & 3). Power is on pins 1 & 4.
I don't know much about voltage and stuff, but with the 5.3v charger, I assume it's okay to use a 5v to charge the Note 3, it just might be a bit slower, correct?
Now what about using the 5.3v charger on the iPad Air? I can't find any info on its charger, or online, of what voltage it uses. will the 5.3v be too much for it or anything?
guttertrash said:
I don't know much about voltage and stuff, but with the 5.3v charger, I assume it's okay to use a 5v to charge the Note 3, it just might be a bit slower, correct?
Now what about using the 5.3v charger on the iPad Air? I can't find any info on its charger, or online, of what voltage it uses. will the 5.3v be too much for it or anything?
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It's perfectly fine to use 5v, that's standard. The voltage the wall adapter puts out is not what will determine your charge speed, its the amperage your device draws - which I believe is capped at 1800 mah for the note 3. It doesn't matter what the amperage is (it can be higher), but the note 3 will only draw 1800 mah max and lower if the source is lower. When it comes to the 5.3v charger, there's a bit of mixed information from what I've gathered. Plenty of people have used it with no problems considering .3v is a fairly small difference, but there will be some that tell you otherwise. I personally avoid 5.3v just because I have plenty of alternative chargers.
If the source is lower, it will increase the time it takes to charge. But 5.3 volts as an output will actually drop to 5 once it is loaded by your device. Just like 5 drops to about 4.7 when loaded by a device. The unloaded output of a charger is always higher than when it is connected.
It's the device that determines the amount of charge drawn, the numbers on the charger are just the max-charge it can provide. (Think of it like a car. Your engine can go up to 200Kph, but the actual speed is determined by how much you tell it to give you.)
I charge my Note 3 with my 15V Asus TF700 charger. It still only charges at the max the Note 3 can draw.
Essentially a 15V charger can safely provide the 5V, but a 5V charger can never provide the charge for a device which requires 15V.
Besides, a USB2.0 cable can't go over 5Volt anyway, so your iPad is safe.
ShadowLea said:
It's the device that determines the amount of charge drawn, the numbers on the charger are just the max-charge it can provide. (Think of it like a car. Your engine can go up to 200Kph, but the actual speed is determined by how much you tell it to give you.)
I charge my Note 3 with my 15V Asus TF700 charger. It still only charges at the max the Note 3 can draw.
Essentially a 15V charger can safely provide the 5V, but a 5V charger can never provide the charge for a device which requires 15V.
Besides, a USB2.0 cable can't go over 5Volt anyway, so your iPad is safe.
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Now I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I think you have a few facts astray here. If you can prove me wrong I'll be happy to learn since it has been awhile since I took circuits. First off your right about the device being a big factor in the rate of charge, in fact technically the charger is in the device, the wall adapter is just the source. The source will force a certain voltage, i.e. 5v or 15v, and can provide up to a certain current (amperes). The charger in the device then determines how much of this current to draw.
With all that being said, the reason you can use your asus transformer charger is because it only forces 5v unless the transformer is plugged in at which point it kicks it up to 15v. So your not actually plugging a 15v source into your n3, if it were possible you'd be on thin ice. Also, I'm pretty sure you'd be able to charge your asus via say the note 3 charger (really slow though), probably not while its turned on, but turn it off leave it plugged in for a few hours and you should see a change.
A USB cable is just a wire, if you put 5.3V on it then your device receives 5.3V (minus voldage drop due to the resistance of the cable but that's negligible unless you're using a cheap thin cable). That said, 5.3V should be within tolerance for pretty much every USB charging device out there including the iPad (which I think uses a 5.3V charger itself).
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Cool, good to know I wont fry either device. Thanks for all the help
Solarenemy68 said:
If the source is lower, it will increase the time it takes to charge. But 5.3 volts as an output will actually drop to 5 once it is loaded by your device. Just like 5 drops to about 4.7 when loaded by a device. The unloaded output of a charger is always higher than when it is connected.
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Galaxy Note 3 have digital charger. so, I don't think undervolting is the case
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MILJANN said:
Galaxy Note 3 have digital charger. so, I don't think undervolting is the case
Sent from Note 3
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It's not undervoltage. The resistance "R" of the USB cable is fixed (varies from cable to cable, but is constant for any single cable), so as the current load "I" increases the voltage "V" lost across the cable also increases, according to V = I*R.
Given a 5v source, loaded to 1800 mA, you would expect to see 4.7v at the phone's end of the USB cable. The resistance of the USB cable itself comes out to around 0.1666666 Ohms in that scenario, which is a perfectly reasonable value for the gauge wire used in those cords.
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A USB cable is just a wire, if you put 5.3V on it then your device receives 5.3V (minus voldage drop due to the resistance of the cable but that's negligible unless you're using a cheap thin cable).
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Or using a long cable. With my (S5) 5.3V charger, i can finally use those 3M/10ft cables, which is really convenient for me
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Or using a long cable. With my (S5) 5.3V charger, i can finally use those 3M/10ft cables, which is really convenient for me
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In lieu of using higher voltage chargers to use with long cables, you can also use chargers that provide more current @ 5V or, of course, lower resistance cables.
I'm afraid not. The voltage will drop too far below 5.0V, the device will not accept the offered power, no matter how high the charging current. That's both based on physics and personal experience. Resistance in cables is an issue at 10 metres, even those with high gauge copper cores.
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I'm afraid not. The voltage will drop too far below 5.0V, the device will not accept the offered power, no matter how high the charging current. That's both based on physics and personal experience. Resistance in cables is an issue at 10 metres, even those with high gauge copper cores.
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You are absolutely correct, however that isn't exactly what I was trying to share. I was trying to share a solution to situations where the charger cannot keep up and thus the voltage sags. I did not expect a 10metre situation. The longest I have is 5m. On my 5 metre cable, I don't notice any appreciable voltage drop from any of my chargers, so I generally consider it negligible. How much do you drop across 10 metres and at how many amps?
On a side note, I think the phone has some kind of safety when it comes to voltages. I just plugged in my 5.3V charger from my s5 into the s3 and it seemed to work fine. However, I also recently, and I only just realised this, plugged in a 7.2V supply to my S3 and though it did not charge, nothing bad seemed to happen. It was an off brand 5V USB Charger and when it died, it cranked up the voltage.
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You are absolutely correct, however that isn't exactly what I was trying to share. I was trying to share a solution to situations where the charger cannot keep up and thus the voltage sags. I did not expect a 10metre situation. The longest I have is 5m. On my 5 metre cable, I don't notice any appreciable voltage drop from any of my chargers, so I generally consider it negligible. How much do you drop across 10 metres and at how many amps?
On a side note, I think the phone has some kind of safety when it comes to voltages. I just plugged in my 5.3V charger from my s5 into the s3 and it seemed to work fine. However, I also recently, and I only just realised this, plugged in a 7.2V supply to my S3 and though it did not charge, nothing bad seemed to happen. It was an off brand 5V USB Charger and when it died, it cranked up the voltage.
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The voltage drop is dependant on gauge, copper quality and length. I never measured it at both ends but i estimate 0.3-0.5 volt based on what chargers do and don't charge what phones at 10ft. Note that i mixed up ft and metres lol, my cables are 3m. At that length voltage drop is an issue for me.
7v would perhaps be fine for a 10m cable I wish we knew the tolerance range of what voltages (at the usb in) common smartphones accept.
I think the reason the galaxy tab S tablets have a 5.3volt charger is to compensate a bigger voltage drop through the longer charging cable provided.
The voltage must be the correct voltage or near to it. I think from what others have said 5.3 is near enough to 5.0Volts.
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I'm aware to take advantage of "DASH" charging (5V 4A), you need a DASH charger with the circuitry, and a DASH capable phone.
1. Can I theoretically use any USB C to USB A cable with my OP5 and DASH charger, or will the phone limit the current? I understand cables may not support 4A of current, but I want to know will the charger and/or phone stop it from pulling so much current? What if I buy a high-quality cable off Monoprice? Or does the cable have to be "DASH Certified"?
2. If I were to plug in another phone into the DASH Charger and official cable, like say a Nexus 5X, how will the Nexus charge? The Nexus usually pulls 3A from a 5V charger. Can the Nexus still pull 3A from the DASH charger, or will it be limited to 1 or 2A?
3. If I were to plug the OP5 into another, non-DASH charger, what's the maximum voltage/amps it can pull? For example, the Nexus 5X charger is rated at 5V 3A. Would the OP5 be able to pull the 3A, or does it need some special circuitry? If so, what would it draw? 2A or less?
Last question: From what I understand if I use a laptop USB C charger, things should work okay- especially if the power brick shows it suppors 5V, 9V, and 12V. I assume the device will tell it to use the 5V line and draw whatever current it can. But what if I have a USB C charger that only says 12V on it? Or say 19V? Am I taking a gamble then? Let's assume this charger that is only rated at a high voltage is not a "shady" charger, and they followed the USB C spec properly. Should I be okay?
Thanks.
Any input or insight on these questions? I've read a lot about DASH charging, but looking for clarity on the above questions.
1. You can use any cable with your dash charger but your phone won't take advantage of the dash charging speeds and instead will charge at around 1.5 to 1.7 amps. So far I haven't seen a single cable no matter the brand working at dash charging speeds so the only cable I've seen working with dash charging are the official 1+ ones.
2. I don't have my Nexus 6p anymore to test this out but theoretically a 3 amp capable phone could draw the necessary amperage from the dash charger since the dash charger is capable of up to 4A. However, I'm pretty sure the phone will charge at the traditional 1 to 2 amps.
3. Amperage, as opposed to Voltage, is drawn by the devices themselves meaning a 5V 3A charger will always push 5 volts and can give up to 3 amps of power to a connected device. The amperage may be below or equal to the capacity of the charger, but never more. Modern batteries and phones have special circuitry embedded in them to protect them from over voltage or excess current and the OP5 is no different.
When connected to a charger, a phone will usually try to identify the charger it's being connected to, if if fails to recognize its capacity, the phone will reduce the amount of current to a safe amount that's below the charger's capacity. Seeing as there are many different chargers, like 2A, 2.4, 3A, 4A, phones usually fall back to a safe charging current that's within the lowest capacity of the most common chargers so even with a 3 amp charger, the OP5 will probably charge at between 1 and 2 amps even if the charger has a 3 amp capacity.
4. Computer USB ports are fine since they have a 5 Volt power bus and any extra current needed is passed through the BMC configuration line and/or the VBUS line only when requested by the connected device. As for using a higher voltage, since voltage is pushed to the device, is not a good idea to use a charger rated with a higher voltage that of the device being charged because you run the risk of overloading the circuits. Phone chargers used in cars usually operate at 12 Volts but they have DC/DC converters and resistors to reduce the voltage to the 5 volts required for phones and tablets. I'm not aware of AC chargers being able to operate with different voltage regulators.
1, No，you can only use official cables, but, I'v tested that oppo vooc cable+micro2typec adapter, can Also dash charge at 5v 4a,Turst me ,the charge chip is in USB C
In case nobody else does, I'll answer question 2 on Friday, when I get to the office. I'll be able to try it with several USB-C capable devices.
Hope I won't forget the dash charger home.
So, as promised...
Today I tried the following devices:
- Nexus 6P, LG 5, OnePlus 5
- Nexus 6 original charger (model SSW-268EU), OnePlus 5 original charger
- LG G5 original cable, OnePlus 5 original cable
I used Ampere to measure the values. All three phones were at around 50% charging state. Temperature of the phones was around 30 °C (+/- 2 °C). Measurement time was around 1 minute.
The results represent the maximum stable values (shown for at least 5-10 seconds). Where there was a variation, it meant that the reading varied slowly between those two. One value means that the reading stayed fixed at that value. Amperage readings are expressed in Amperes. No approximation made and any variation of less than 0.1A was not taken into consideration. (i.e. 1.4A = 1400 ~ 1500 mA).
The tests are not scientifically rigorous and should be taken as such. These results are purely informative.
On the horizontal are the charger&cable combinations. On the vertical,the phones.
Moto & G5
N6P 1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 1.3-1.5A
Moto & 1+5
N6P 1.2A
G5 0.8-1A
1+5 1.3-1.4A
1+5 & 1+5
N6P 1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 3.3-3.4 A
1+5 & G5
N6P 1.1-1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 1.3A
If I forgot any details, don't hesitate to ask.
Thanks for the information! Your tests are exactly what I was looking for.
Dash Charger Stop charging at 83%
Is there anyone facing dash charger stop to charging at 83%? But with another charger can continue charging until 100%....
On the topic, there is a QC to VOOC adapter on TaoPao that someone tested on the OnePlus subreddit and it apparently works. I wonder how exactly it works, though. Apparently it's capable of getting 3A from a standard USB-C and QC 3.0 wall wart.