I'm aware to take advantage of "DASH" charging (5V 4A), you need a DASH charger with the circuitry, and a DASH capable phone.
1. Can I theoretically use any USB C to USB A cable with my OP5 and DASH charger, or will the phone limit the current? I understand cables may not support 4A of current, but I want to know will the charger and/or phone stop it from pulling so much current? What if I buy a high-quality cable off Monoprice? Or does the cable have to be "DASH Certified"?
2. If I were to plug in another phone into the DASH Charger and official cable, like say a Nexus 5X, how will the Nexus charge? The Nexus usually pulls 3A from a 5V charger. Can the Nexus still pull 3A from the DASH charger, or will it be limited to 1 or 2A?
3. If I were to plug the OP5 into another, non-DASH charger, what's the maximum voltage/amps it can pull? For example, the Nexus 5X charger is rated at 5V 3A. Would the OP5 be able to pull the 3A, or does it need some special circuitry? If so, what would it draw? 2A or less?
Last question: From what I understand if I use a laptop USB C charger, things should work okay- especially if the power brick shows it suppors 5V, 9V, and 12V. I assume the device will tell it to use the 5V line and draw whatever current it can. But what if I have a USB C charger that only says 12V on it? Or say 19V? Am I taking a gamble then? Let's assume this charger that is only rated at a high voltage is not a "shady" charger, and they followed the USB C spec properly. Should I be okay?
Thanks.
Any input or insight on these questions? I've read a lot about DASH charging, but looking for clarity on the above questions.
1. You can use any cable with your dash charger but your phone won't take advantage of the dash charging speeds and instead will charge at around 1.5 to 1.7 amps. So far I haven't seen a single cable no matter the brand working at dash charging speeds so the only cable I've seen working with dash charging are the official 1+ ones.
2. I don't have my Nexus 6p anymore to test this out but theoretically a 3 amp capable phone could draw the necessary amperage from the dash charger since the dash charger is capable of up to 4A. However, I'm pretty sure the phone will charge at the traditional 1 to 2 amps.
3. Amperage, as opposed to Voltage, is drawn by the devices themselves meaning a 5V 3A charger will always push 5 volts and can give up to 3 amps of power to a connected device. The amperage may be below or equal to the capacity of the charger, but never more. Modern batteries and phones have special circuitry embedded in them to protect them from over voltage or excess current and the OP5 is no different.
When connected to a charger, a phone will usually try to identify the charger it's being connected to, if if fails to recognize its capacity, the phone will reduce the amount of current to a safe amount that's below the charger's capacity. Seeing as there are many different chargers, like 2A, 2.4, 3A, 4A, phones usually fall back to a safe charging current that's within the lowest capacity of the most common chargers so even with a 3 amp charger, the OP5 will probably charge at between 1 and 2 amps even if the charger has a 3 amp capacity.
4. Computer USB ports are fine since they have a 5 Volt power bus and any extra current needed is passed through the BMC configuration line and/or the VBUS line only when requested by the connected device. As for using a higher voltage, since voltage is pushed to the device, is not a good idea to use a charger rated with a higher voltage that of the device being charged because you run the risk of overloading the circuits. Phone chargers used in cars usually operate at 12 Volts but they have DC/DC converters and resistors to reduce the voltage to the 5 volts required for phones and tablets. I'm not aware of AC chargers being able to operate with different voltage regulators.
1, No，you can only use official cables, but, I'v tested that oppo vooc cable+micro2typec adapter, can Also dash charge at 5v 4a,Turst me ,the charge chip is in USB C
In case nobody else does, I'll answer question 2 on Friday, when I get to the office. I'll be able to try it with several USB-C capable devices.
Hope I won't forget the dash charger home.
So, as promised...
Today I tried the following devices:
- Nexus 6P, LG 5, OnePlus 5
- Nexus 6 original charger (model SSW-268EU), OnePlus 5 original charger
- LG G5 original cable, OnePlus 5 original cable
I used Ampere to measure the values. All three phones were at around 50% charging state. Temperature of the phones was around 30 °C (+/- 2 °C). Measurement time was around 1 minute.
The results represent the maximum stable values (shown for at least 5-10 seconds). Where there was a variation, it meant that the reading varied slowly between those two. One value means that the reading stayed fixed at that value. Amperage readings are expressed in Amperes. No approximation made and any variation of less than 0.1A was not taken into consideration. (i.e. 1.4A = 1400 ~ 1500 mA).
The tests are not scientifically rigorous and should be taken as such. These results are purely informative.
On the horizontal are the charger&cable combinations. On the vertical,the phones.
Moto & G5
N6P 1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 1.3-1.5A
Moto & 1+5
N6P 1.2A
G5 0.8-1A
1+5 1.3-1.4A
1+5 & 1+5
N6P 1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 3.3-3.4 A
1+5 & G5
N6P 1.1-1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 1.3A
If I forgot any details, don't hesitate to ask.
Thanks for the information! Your tests are exactly what I was looking for.
Dash Charger Stop charging at 83%
Is there anyone facing dash charger stop to charging at 83%? But with another charger can continue charging until 100%....
On the topic, there is a QC to VOOC adapter on TaoPao that someone tested on the OnePlus subreddit and it apparently works. I wonder how exactly it works, though. Apparently it's capable of getting 3A from a standard USB-C and QC 3.0 wall wart.
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Hey all,
I've been using my N10 for a week now and am wondering why and if it's normal for the tablet to require 8+ hours to recharge?
I'm plugging it into the wall using a generic USB cable and non-Samsung power block. Should that matter at all?
Signed 'confused...'
Yes, the charger matters. The stock wall charger is at 2Amps, while a normal USB connection is at 0.5Amps, for example. All devices will charge more slowly on lower amperages, but since the battery of the Nexus 10 is so huge (9000mAh - about double your average laptop), charging it from 0 to 100 will be dreadfully slow, if you're not using a proper charger.
1. Are there other wall chargers with higher Amp output that are safe to use w/ the N10?
2. Is there any long term damage to the battery using a higher or lower Amp charger?
Another issue is if the charger is made for an Apple product it doesn't short the data pins so the Nexus doesn't see it as a high amperage power supply and only pulls .5 amps.
Use the OEM Samsung charger or get one of these:
Ventev r2200 AC Travel Charger, Dual 2A USB Port 110-220v With MicroUSB Cable
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BSC7FW0/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
And if you want a it to charge even faster, use a pogo cable.
Original Pogo Cable for Google Nexus 10 (25% Faster Charge) - MAGNECTOR
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D7NZLK6/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
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garberfc said:
1. Are there other wall chargers with higher Amp output that are safe to use w/ the N10?
2. Is there any long term damage to the battery using a higher or lower Amp charger?
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Higher than 2.1 amps? Not commercially that I'm aware of, though you could always jerry rig some contraption to deliver more.
The problem is, however, that the device will not draw the extra power. A device will draw the power it can use, and no more. I haven't tested what the draw is on my Nexus 10, but on my Note 2, it never draws more than 1.8 amps (although that reading may be a little inflated and it really only draws 1.5 amps). I suspect it's more or less the same with the N10 and the stock USB cable and Samsung 2.0 amp charger. So if you went nuts and jerry rigged a 50 amp power supply to the device, it would still only draw 1.5 amps.
Note that the draw can be affected by the USB cable you use. I've seen some USB cables draw less than 500mA where the stock Samsung USB cable draws 1.8 amps.
Bottom line is that you're not going to find a wall charger above 2.1 amps as far as I know, and even if you did, it wouldn't charge the Nexus 10 any faster. The problem is what you identified in your original post -- using some plain vanilla 500mA (0.5 amp) micro USB charger that you've had lying around the house for the past several years and assuming that it should charge just as well as the stock Samsung charger. It won't, as you discovered -- the N10 will only draw about a third of what it's capable of drawing from such a charger.
Be careful buying 2.0/2.1 amp chargers from Amazon or wherever, particularly if they're identified as Samsung chargers. They're almost always counterfeit, and no better than the 500mA chargers I mentioned above.
You might also want to look into the POGO charger cable because it allows the Nexus 10 to draw virtually the full 2.0 amps from the charger rather than 1.5.
JasW said:
Higher than 2.1 amps? Not commercially that I'm aware of, though you could always jerry rig some contraption to deliver more.
The problem is, however, that the device will not draw the extra power. A device will draw the power it can use, and no more. I haven't tested what the draw is on my Nexus 10, but on my Note 2, it never draws more than 1.8 amps (although that reading may be a little inflated and it really only draws 1.5 amps). I suspect it's more or less the same with the N10 and the stock USB cable and Samsung 2.0 amp charger. So if you went nuts and jerry rigged a 50 amp power supply to the device, it would still only draw 1.5 amps.
Note that the draw can be affected by the USB cable you use. I've seen some USB cables draw less than 500mA where the stock Samsung USB cable draws 1.8 amps.
Bottom line is that you're not going to find a wall charger above 2.1 amps as far as I know, and even if you did, it wouldn't charge the Nexus 10 any faster. The problem is what you identified in your original post -- using some plain vanilla 500mA (0.5 amp) micro USB charger that you've had lying around the house for the past several years and assuming that it should charge just as well as the stock Samsung charger. It won't, as you discovered -- the N10 will only draw about a third of what it's capable of drawing from such a charger.
Be careful buying 2.0/2.1 amp chargers from Amazon or wherever, particularly if they're identified as Samsung chargers. They're almost always counterfeit, and no better than the 500mA chargers I mentioned above.
You might also want to look into the POGO charger cable because it allows the Nexus 10 to draw virtually the full 2.0 amps from the charger rather than 1.5.
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Listen to this guy.
@JasW - Wow, thanks for the information / education. It makes a LOT more sense now.
Thanks again, F
@Gearhead_ENG - Thanks for the links! I'm going to go home and scrounge through all my old chargers and see if I have more 2Amp chargers. If not, I'll be following the links again to purchase...
This may have been asked many times before but I am having a hard time understanding.
I have a bunch of Qualcomm 2.0 car and wall chargers. I just ordered a nexus 6p. I have ordered USB A to C cables to make the chargers work. What kind of charging speeds can I expect from this?
I know it will charge slower than if I hooked it up to the included charger. But will it charge as fast as the quick charge chargers or much slower like when I hook my phone up to a PC and it charges very slowly.
Cue @Elnrik
He the man for this question. Please ignore my below 'theory' in brackets.
(I would say, assuming your QC2.0 have the right resistors, they will only supply a max of 2.0A to the 6P which takes 3A from the supplied Google charger. So, in short, it should charge the same speed as your other devices but will take longer to go to 100% because the 6P battery is larger. The part i'm confused about, due to conflicting reports is whether the A to C cables can supply 2A from your chargers.)
subhani said:
Cue @Elnrik
He the man for this question. Please ignore my below 'theory' in brackets.
(I would say, assuming your QC2.0 have the right resistors, they will only supply a max of 2.0A to the 6P which takes 3A from the supplied Google charger. So, in short, it should charge the same speed as your other devices but will take longer to go to 100% because the 6P battery is larger. The part i'm confused about, due to conflicting reports is whether the A to C cables can supply 2A from your chargers.)
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So far in my experience the a to c cables charge much slower even with a QC 2.0 charger. I haven't actually measured it but I bought a type c to c charger and cable for my office and can get a full charge from 50% in less than an hour. I use my QC charger at home for over night charging. The charger that came with it had a short cable and was useless for my application so it just sits in a drawer.
I hope this explanation helps you understand better. Let me know if you have questions.
1) Quick Charge 2.0 will attempt to increase voltage at varying current levels to charge compatible Quick Charge devices. The 6P is not Quick Charge compatible, and it requires a constant 5V from it's host.
2) Type A ports do not have a cc pin (configuration channel) to identify itself or to negotiate current with type-c devices. That is why it is the cable which has to do this for the Type A port. It is the job of the Type A to C adaptor/cable to identify (via the correct pullup resistor) to the Type C device that a legacy USB connection is in place. Using the wrong pullup resistor in a cable is akin to deliberately posting a 55mph speed limit sign in a 25mph school zone. When the Type C device sees the resistor in the cable, it knows it is connected to a non-Type C port, and will then use other means to negotiate for power. BC 2.1 (battery charge) protocols are used over the USB 2.0/data wires, and if that fails, it just defaults to legacy current rates.
I hope this post explains things a bit better: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/accessories/usb-type-c-vs-usb-3-0-3-1-vs-usb-2-0-t3221676
So, the short answer is: using compliant cables, your chargers should provide 1.5A to the phone, which is the limit of BC 2.1. If the chargers do not use BC protocols, then 0.9A or 0.5A should be provided. Just make sure to use compliant cables.
Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPower™ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPower™ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
Thanks.
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Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPower™ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPower™ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
Thanks.
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I can tell you this. I have a QuickCharge 3.0 charger at home (USB charging hub) that will not engage TurboCharging on either my Moto Z or my Z Force. However my Nexus 6p charger engages TurboCharging on both phones. Odd... I am going to try a different USB-c cable tonight to see if it does anything on that 3.0 charging hub.
Driosenth said:
Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPowerâ?¢ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPowerâ?¢ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
Thanks.
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Looks like the Moto Z force does not follow QC 3.0 standards. The reason the Nexus 6p charger is working is because it outputs 5V and a 3A current which is Turbo charging as far as Moto is concerned. I think our phones follow the USB PD standard. Reason being is the turbo 30 charger outputs 5V at 5.7amps. that's a lot of current but the voltage stays at 5v. Usb pd can get up to 20v at 5amps for a max off 100w. Quick charging is different in that it ramps up the voltage to 9v or 12 v depending but usually keeps current at 2a and below. USB PD tends to keep voltage low but ramp up the current draw. Quick charge will usually not see more than 3a on most chargers. If it does see 3a our phone will more than likely register as turbo charging. If not we get the standard 5v 2a charging. Bottom line is QC maxes out at 18w I believe. Our phones charge at 28w if you multiply 5v by 5.7a u get 28.5watts. This currently beats QC 3.0 devices which are all mostly 15w chargers hence why the Moto Z has the fastest charging out now. To increase power you either have to up the voltage or the current in amps. Different standards but achieve a similar goal.
I've tried all my QC 2.0 and 3.0 charging devices. Nothing will charge it fast unless it's the TurboPower provided by Moto. That pisses me off so very much.
I dont think these devices (nor the new Nexus phones) use QC or USB-PD. I think they all use something called USB-c fast charging. I returned my QC 3.0 charger and have another one on the way that claims to be USB-c fast charging. Ill report when I have it in 2 days.
If you notice the chargers for the Nexus and Moto Z phones are different than most chargers. The Moto phones have a non removable USB cable and the Nexus has a USB-c connector on both ends.
What I think we are looking for, and what I have on order, is a charger that has a USB-c input on it. I have a charging block that claims to have USB-c fast charging on its USB-c input. The charger I just returned that had QC 3.0 on it also had a USB-c input, but fast charging was not enabled on it. The new one claims to be.
So long story short you need to use a cable with the small C connector on both ends and a charger that has a USB-c port with fast charging enabled on it.
jsmuli2 said:
I've tried all my QC 2.0 and 3.0 charging devices. Nothing will charge it fast unless it's the TurboPower provided by Moto. That pisses me off so very much.
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Agreed...I even went out and bought a QC 3.0 car charger just for this phone lol
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I dont think these devices (nor the new Nexus phones) use QC or USB-PD. I think they all use something called USB-c fast charging. I returned my QC 3.0 charger and have another one on the way that claims to be USB-c fast charging. Ill report when I have it in 2 days.
If you notice the chargers for the Nexus and Moto Z phones are different than most chargers. The Moto phones have a non removable USB cable and the Nexus has a USB-c connector on both ends.
What I think we are looking for, and what I have on order, is a charger that has a USB-c input on it. I have a charging block that claims to have USB-c fast charging on its USB-c input. The charger I just returned that had QC 3.0 on it also had a USB-c input, but fast charging was not enabled on it. The new one claims to be.
So long story short you need to use a cable with the small C connector on both ends and a charger that has a USB-c port with fast charging enabled on it.
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I'm very interested to hear your results
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I also tested a Anker QC 3.0 wall charger and in half hour it only charged about 20%. Not quick or turbo speeds...
Very bummed. I just bought a QC 3.0 battery, car charger, and wall charger and threw away the boxes. I guess I can give them to my wife who has a LG G5...
I hope that eventually there are batteries and car charges that will charge this phone quickly. QC 2.0 was a feature that I very much liked on my last Phone (Droid Turbo). Being able to charge at those speeds was very nice on the road or with a battery.
The only other things is I believe our phones are equipped with usb 3.1 standard. I believe this standard allows for up to 20v of power at a max of around 5a. But any charger that does 5v at at least 3a will pit our phone into turbo charging. I have a Verizon branded fast charger that does 5v/3a and it recognizes it as turbo charging and actually does very good. Not as fast as the stock charger but damn close. Motorola stated they follow the USB C standard for charging which is 5v 3a. So i still say it's a form of usb PD that Motorola is basing there technology off of because the amps our stock charger is putting out is 5.7 amps. The usb c standard stops at 3a without usb 3.1 which we have on our phones and usb pd to up the amps. I would love to see you report back with the findings on the new charger!!!
We'll all know soon. I will even tell you the amps it puts out vs the stock charger. I have a way to monitor.
To save y'all time. Look for chargers that output 5v at 3a. These will turbo charge your phone. Just like the Nexus 6p and Nexus 5x our phones do not follow Qualcomm quick charge standards. So those accessories will do nothing for you because QC doesn't put out past 2a. QC does 9v at 1.67a. multiply that and you get 15watts. Same thing as a charger with 5v and 3a. Multiply that and you also get 15w. Different ways of doing it but same end result. Verizon has a wall charger and a car charger that outputs at 5v 3a. It is also Qualcomm quick charge ready for other phones you may have. It also states on the side of the box that it is USB power delivery 2.0 compatible which I think is why it fast charges our phones. You're welcome
The charger I ordered states: "USB C Output: DC 5V/3A". This leads me to believe it will put the phone into "Turbo" charging mode, but it won't actually charge as fast as the stock charger which is 5.7a. Oh well, it's better than nothing I guess. I can still use the stock charger when needed.
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I literally cannot find any aftermarket charger that will put out more than 3.0 amps. I think thats as high as we can get right now and the Force charger is the only thing out there putting out above that.
Yea I don't think any aftermarket charger right now supports anything above 3a. Our stock charger has a thicker cable as well. Since QC chargers up the voltage and keep a low amp rating they can keep the cable smaller. Voltage doesn't necessarily need a thicker cable but current or the flow of amps does. For more than 3 amps the cable needs to be thicker for more current flowing. Our phones can handle 30 watts of power easily our stock charger outputs 28.5 watts. 15 watts is considered quick charging that's why our phone recognizes it as turbo charging. One plus has a charger that does 5v at 4a that's the closest I know of 20 watts. I would just like the stock charger to have a longer possibly removable cable. Our phones with 5v 3a are really charging the same as the other QC 2.0 and 3.0 devices it's all 15 watts
Back again, now with a bit more info. If the Moto Z Force truly does draw 5.7A @ 5V it follows neither QC-3 nor USB-PD standard. Both like to change voltages, but neither have 5V anywhere approaching 5.7A. Pg 471 of the latest USB standard shows that the max current delivered at 5V is to be 3A before being bumped up to 9V. QC3.0 adjusts voltages via 200mV steps (if anyone has a link to the official technical specifications of QC3.0 please share), but only outputs 18W max.
My next step is to fully drain the Moto Z Force, hook up the charger to a power meter, and measure how much power it truly draws until fully charged. I might have to make a measuring tool that independently measures the voltage and current of both VBus lines if further testing is needed.
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Back again, now with a bit more info. If the Moto Z Force truly does draw 5.7A @ 5V it follows neither QC-3 nor USB-PD standard. Both like to change voltages, but neither have 5V anywhere approaching 5.7A. Pg 471 of the latest USB standard shows that the max current delivered at 5V is to be 3A before being bumped up to 9V. QC3.0 adjusts voltages via 200mV steps (if anyone has a link to the official technical specifications of QC3.0 please share), but only outputs 18W max.
My next step is to fully drain the Moto Z Force, hook up the charger to a power meter, and measure how much power it truly draws until fully charged. I might have to make a measuring tool that independently measures the voltage and current of both VBus lines if further testing is needed.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere&hl=en
Should be easier and give the same results. What I use.
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I've come to the conclusion that the USB hub I ordered is as good as it gets. It has 6 ports. 4 ports that vary the amps up to 2.4a, 1 QC 2.0 port, and 1 USB-c 5v/3a port.
I really hope Motorola / Verizon / Aftermarket companies are able to come up with a charger for this device. I love my Moto Z Force, but with the battery mods, I would like to have a charger for work capable of charging the mod as well. I don't know if I'd be able to survive with the 3ft one that came with it. I went out and bought all of the 3.0 accessories and threw out the boxes as well, thinking it would work. No USB A > USB C Chargers I've tried have worked. I'm anxious to hear if anyone has found one that works.
I reached out to Motorola Customer Service, the person had no idea what was going on. I have a Quick Charge 3.0 Aukey charger at my desk, Ampere says it's charging at 4.341v but no turbo power blurb. My buddy has the "Fast Charging" Verizon one, but it doesn't say it either. Hard to tell if it even has QC or not. They did however load the official moto charger (OEM) onto their webpage. I may just have to live with this one. :/
The one I have on order will certainly put the phone into turbo mode. I don't know how many amps it will do but it will be at least 3. As far as finding something above 3, well I couldn't. I ordered my own USB cable as well (C to C) and could have chosen any length. My charger is a hub with 6 ports and one is a QC 2.0 port. Couldn't find one with the fast USB-C port that also had 3.0.
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Here's some charging stats for you. All in amps.
.25a - USB port on surface pro 4
.97a - Portable battery pack
.23a - Old USB hub on 2.1a port. (Terrible!)
2.5a - Nexus 6p charger. ("Turbo" shows)
5.1a!!! - Factory force charger
Here are some other 5V/3A Type-C options:
Wall chargers:
http://www.choetech.com/CHOE-3A-USB-C-Charger/
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DVH7Q8M
Batteries:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto
http://www.ravpower.com/20100mah-external-battery-charger-QC3.0-type-c.html
https://www.anker.com/products/A1371012
Car chargers:
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-ccta-quick-charge-3.0-car-charger
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-c2pe-car-charger
http://www.blitzwolf.com/BlitzWolf-Qualcomm-Certified-Quick-Charger-QC-3.0-33W-USB-Type-C-BW-C8-Car-Charger-with-Micro-Cable-p-85.html
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E764DXM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018TGGH4E
I know these are not as nice as having some other 5V/5.7A charging options but at least they should charge better than QC 3.0 chargers.
fliptwister said:
Here are some other 5V/3A Type-C options:
Wall chargers:
http://www.choetech.com/CHOE-3A-USB-C-Charger/
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
Batteries:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto
http://www.ravpower.com/20100mah-external-battery-charger-QC3.0-type-c.html
Car chargers:
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-ccta-quick-charge-3.0-car-charger
http://www.blitzwolf.com/BlitzWolf-...-BW-C8-Car-Charger-with-Micro-Cable-p-85.html
https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Charge...8&qid=1470243655&sr=1-1&keywords=aukey+type-c
I know these are not as nice as having some other 5V/5.7A charging options but at least they should charge better than QC 3.0 chargers.
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So these chargers will all "turbo" charge our phones? I'm particularly interested in he car charger...I have an aukey QC 3.0 that I bought for this phone before realizing it wouldn't do the job lol...
But the usb-c port on the one you just posted will actually work right?...
At home I'm not too worried because I generally only charge my phone over night, so a slow charge or short cable isn't a terrible problem
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Metfanant said:
So these chargers will all "turbo" charge our phones? I'm particularly interested in he car charger...I have an aukey QC 3.0 that I bought for this phone before realizing it wouldn't do the job lol...
But the usb-c port on the one you just posted will actually work right?...
At home I'm not too worried because I generally only charge my phone over night, so a slow charge or short cable isn't a terrible problem
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Yes all those chargers should turbo charge the phone. Not as much as the stock charger, but still turbo. If you want a USB hub with multiple ports there are only like 2 options for those. There should be many options for single block home chargers and car chargers though. The hubs are the hard ones to get.
seh6183 said:
Yes all those chargers should turbo charge the phone. Not as much as the stock charger, but still turbo. If you want a USB hub with multiple ports there are only like 2 options for those. There should be many options for single block home chargers and car chargers though. The hubs are the hard ones to get.
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Does the USB certification matter for the cable? Is a USB 2.0 cable enough or do we need 3.0 or 3.1?
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Hello friends. I got a Nexus 6p, it came with a common charger of the LG 5v 0.85A, with that charger it charges and shows slow charge, but it raises the percentage of the battery. now with any turbo charger that I test, the percentage of the battery decreases, I already tested with the turbo of my honor 8, with an aukey turbo, Motorola turbo of 5v 1.6A- 9v 1.6A- 12v 1.3A and all these do not charged my device. I would like to know if this is common in 6p. I am using RR in version 7.1.2.
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Hello friends. I got a Nexus 6p, it came with a common charger of the LG 5v 0.85A, with that charger it charges and shows slow charge, but it raises the percentage of the battery. now with any turbo charger that I test, the percentage of the battery decreases, I already tested with the turbo of my honor 8, with an aukey turbo, Motorola turbo of 5v 1.6A- 9v 1.6A- 12v 1.3A and all these do not charged my device. I would like to know if this is common in 6p. I am using RR in version 7.1.2.
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The N6P does not support either quick charge, or turbo charge. This doesn't mean it won't charge at all, but will charge slowly. None of the chargers you mentioned will Rapid Charge your device. You need a 5V 3A USB-C charger to do that, and even some of these are not fully compliant with the USB-C standard. One rule of thumb is that if your charger or cable has a USB-A connection, your device will not ever charge over 2.1A, and in many cases much less. You need a USB-C to USB-C cable or charger to get Rapid Charge. Have a look in the N6P Accessories section where all the discussion on chargers and cables is taking place. There you will find a recommendations for the correct charger/cable. Same goes for a car charger. USB-C 5V 3A.
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The N6P does not support either quick charge, or turbo charge. This doesn't mean it won't charge at all, but will charge slowly. None of the chargers you mentioned will Rapid Charge your device. You need a 5V 3A USB-C charger to do that, and even some of these are not fully compliant with the USB-C standard. One rule of thumb is that if your charger or cable has a USB-A connection, your device will not ever charge over 2.1A, and in many cases much less. You need a USB-C to USB-C cable or charger to get Rapid Charge. Have a look in the N6P Accessories section where all the discussion on chargers and cables is taking place. There you will find a recommendations for the correct charger/cable. Same goes for a car charger. USB-C 5V 3A.
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Thank you very much, my friend. I bought a motorola charger 5v 3a Type C and now it is loading quickly. I ordered by ebay a 6p nexus document. Meanwhile I'm using that same motorola.
Will this charger charge our device st 45w?
http://www.gadgetexplained.com/2018/09/aukey-pa-y12-fast-charging-72w-pps-usb.html?m=1
Machine_Head said:
Will this charger charge our device st 45w?
http://www.gadgetexplained.com/2018/09/aukey-pa-y12-fast-charging-72w-pps-usb.html?m=1
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I got one and it seems to work. Usually original would show about 60 minutes to completely charge where this one charges in 44 minutes.
This is at 48%.
When started I've had phone to 20% and has charged up to 60% within 20 minutes or so. So it seems to be but don't know how to exactly check or likely don't have the tools to see if it is going at 45w or less.
But this has worked for me quite well. As rather have multiple when traveling.
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The variable voltage and current via the Power Delivery port of the AUKEY charging station means voltage and current varies according to the device between 5V 3A, 9V 3A, 12V 3A, 15V 3A and 20V 3A.
No it won't deliver 45w to the Note 10+
DaPoets said:
The variable voltage and current via the Power Delivery port of the AUKEY charging station means voltage and current varies according to the device between 5V 3A, 9V 3A, 12V 3A, 15V 3A and 20V 3A.
No it won't deliver 45w to the Note 10+
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Good to know thanks. It is still quicker than most chargers I've gotten. So I'm good with it as it is more than enough for what I'll likely use and charge. But with this info it will then all depend on others. I'll likely later check the 45w official to see if it is really much if a difference but this works better for me and gives good battery for the charge time than I'm used to.
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DaPoets said:
The variable voltage and current via the Power Delivery port of the AUKEY charging station means voltage and current varies according to the device between 5V 3A, 9V 3A, 12V 3A, 15V 3A and 20V 3A.
No it won't deliver 45w to the Note 10+
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The above statement isn't entirely accurate.
In basic DC electrical circuits the following formula applies:
P = V x I where:
P = Power of the circuit
V = Voltage applied to the circuit
I = Amount of current flowing in the circuit
Following this formula, this power supply can deliver 45 w at the 15 volt and 20 volt levels.
More importantly though is the fact that this power supply is of PPS variant. Meaning that it can listen to and adjust the voltage and current to the device it is charging, provided a specific cable is also used. (I will provide a link below).
So how does this new charging standard for cell phones work?
When the phone is first connected, it checks that the cable and power are capable of PPS type charging. If they aren't, it will charge the older way of just accepting a constant voltage to charge.
If it is the proper "faster" charging PPS type, then it looks at the current battery charge level and then "instructs" the power supply to provide a certain voltage level. The closer the current battery charge is to 0, the higher the voltage it will tell the power supply to deliver. So, if the battery is near 0, it will ask up to 20 volts from the power supply. So, at 20 volts and at a maximum of 3 Amps, that is how this power supply can provide 60 watts. (See above formula). Our phone can only accept 2.25 Amps at 20 volts, hence 45 Watt charging.
So, the closer the battery level was closer to 0, the fast this charger will charge..... for a time.
Once the battery gets closer to a full charge or the battery temperature is too high. Yes they monitor battery temp, this came out of the Note 7 debacle. It will tell the power supply to reduce the voltage, hence reducing the power (wattage) level to the battery and slowing the charging rate. This typically happens between 70-80% of full charge.
Sorry if this was sooo long.
This is the US version of the above power supply.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HJWMYH5/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-BgFDbP18G9WV
This is the required cable to go with it.
Anker Powerline II USB C to USB C 2.0 Cable (6ft) USB-IF Certified, Power Delivery PD Charging Cable
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071WNXY1R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5DgFDb6V78HJY
Remember all of this just happens when connected to the USB-C port of the charger. The other ports do not support the new charging standard.
Yes it’s too long of a post for this type of forum. We all get it you have some knowledge in electrical theory and its quite notable.
Still, @DaPoets post is accurate in this case because samsung have certain requirements to get a charge to output exactly that unique charging state the phones circuitry will accept. This is used by handshaking betwixt the Emarker chips on the cable and the battery controller in the phone.
Although the charger in question maybe able to output the current as its listed on the charger itself, there still needs to be certain protocols in place that only samsung know to make a charger output that unique voltage.
Of course in time 3rd party chargers will eventually appear but its highly unlikely any 3rd party charger at this point can output that exact spec.
This whole Samsung charger tech has everyone confused and like the following article states they want to sell you there Branded chargers. That's fine, but these style chargers need to be paired with a specific "IF- certified" cable, which has chips in both ends and aids in the handshaking between phone and charger.
So, based on this article, a power supply that utilizes the PD 3.0 standard with PPS ability should fit the bill. Therefore the power supply that the original poster asked about DOES fit that bill, provided it is paired with the correct cable.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/...le-to-find-a-45w-fast-charger-for-the-note-10
Here is a good Reddit thread on the subject.
https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote10/comments/cws50p/
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One more post and I'll let this go.
Here is a review of an Aukey third party 45w charger. He got the same results as the OEM 45w charger.
So, to out this to bed, there are chargers available, but you really have to pay attention to the charging specs.
USB-IF are e marker cables. same thing I said.
there is no hype in what the sammy 45 W can do. there are 3rd party chargers that can output many watts/amperage of power, but if they don't have the right handshake that the sammy battery controller is looking for, the phone wont do 45W at the unique voltage the note 10 is looking for.
lmanlo said:
I got one and it seems to work. Usually original would show about 60 minutes to completely charge where this one charges in 44 minutes.
This is at 48%.
When started I've had phone to 20% and has charged up to 60% within 20 minutes or so. So it seems to be but don't know how to exactly check or likely don't have the tools to see if it is going at 45w or less.
But this has worked for me quite well. As rather have multiple when traveling.
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What cable did you use?
ronjr123 said:
The above statement isn't entirely accurate.
In basic DC electrical circuits the following formula applies:
P = V x I where:
P = Power of the circuit
V = Voltage applied to the circuit
I = Amount of current flowing in the circuit
Following this formula, this power supply can deliver 45 w at the 15 volt and 20 volt levels.
More importantly though is the fact that this power supply is of PPS variant. Meaning that it can listen to and adjust the voltage and current to the device it is charging, provided a specific cable is also used. (I will provide a link below).
So how does this new charging standard for cell phones work?
When the phone is first connected, it checks that the cable and power are capable of PPS type charging. If they aren't, it will charge the older way of just accepting a constant voltage to charge.
If it is the proper "faster" charging PPS type, then it looks at the current battery charge level and then "instructs" the power supply to provide a certain voltage level. The closer the current battery charge is to 0, the higher the voltage it will tell the power supply to deliver. So, if the battery is near 0, it will ask up to 20 volts from the power supply. So, at 20 volts and at a maximum of 3 Amps, that is how this power supply can provide 60 watts. (See above formula). Our phone can only accept 2.25 Amps at 20 volts, hence 45 Watt charging.
So, the closer the battery level was closer to 0, the fast this charger will charge..... for a time.
Once the battery gets closer to a full charge or the battery temperature is too high. Yes they monitor battery temp, this came out of the Note 7 debacle. It will tell the power supply to reduce the voltage, hence reducing the power (wattage) level to the battery and slowing the charging rate. This typically happens between 70-80% of full charge.
Sorry if this was sooo long.
This is the US version of the above power supply.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HJWMYH5/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-BgFDbP18G9WV
This is the required cable to go with it.
Anker Powerline II USB C to USB C 2.0 Cable (6ft) USB-IF Certified, Power Delivery PD Charging Cable
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071WNXY1R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5DgFDb6V78HJY
Remember all of this just happens when connected to the USB-C port of the charger. The other ports do not support the new charging standard.
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A very good read. Thank you for you and everybody else's input.
Any cable that are e-marked should work, right?
Will get this charger just to satisfy my curiosity. ?
You lost me at P =
ronjr123 said:
The above statement isn't entirely accurate.
In basic DC electrical circuits the following formula applies:
P = V x I where:
P = Power of the circuit
V = Voltage applied to the circuit
I = Amount of current flowing in the circuit
Following this formula, this power supply can deliver 45 w at the 15 volt and 20 volt levels.
More importantly though is the fact that this power supply is of PPS variant. Meaning that it can listen to and adjust the voltage and current to the device it is charging, provided a specific cable is also used. (I will provide a link below).
So how does this new charging standard for cell phones work?
When the phone is first connected, it checks that the cable and power are capable of PPS type charging. If they aren't, it will charge the older way of just accepting a constant voltage to charge.
If it is the proper "faster" charging PPS type, then it looks at the current battery charge level and then "instructs" the power supply to provide a certain voltage level. The closer the current battery charge is to 0, the higher the voltage it will tell the power supply to deliver. So, if the battery is near 0, it will ask up to 20 volts from the power supply. So, at 20 volts and at a maximum of 3 Amps, that is how this power supply can provide 60 watts. (See above formula). Our phone can only accept 2.25 Amps at 20 volts, hence 45 Watt charging.
So, the closer the battery level was closer to 0, the fast this charger will charge..... for a time.
Once the battery gets closer to a full charge or the battery temperature is too high. Yes they monitor battery temp, this came out of the Note 7 debacle. It will tell the power supply to reduce the voltage, hence reducing the power (wattage) level to the battery and slowing the charging rate. This typically happens between 70-80% of full charge.
Sorry if this was sooo long.
This is the US version of the above power supply.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HJWMYH5/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-BgFDbP18G9WV
This is the required cable to go with it.
Anker Powerline II USB C to USB C 2.0 Cable (6ft) USB-IF Certified, Power Delivery PD Charging Cable
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071WNXY1R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5DgFDb6V78HJY
Remember all of this just happens when connected to the USB-C port of the charger. The other ports do not support the new charging standard.
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Machine_Head said:
A very good read. Thank you for you and everybody else's input.
Any cable that are e-marked should work, right?
Will get this charger just to satisfy my curiosity. ?
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This is the 6.6 ft cable I ordered. I use this only for my charging needs, so didn't I care about video support.
What I did want was an IF-Certified 100w cable.
Works good.
Cable Matters USB-IF Certified USB C to USB C Cable 100W Power Delivery in Black 6.6 Feet (USB 2.0 Speed, No Video Support) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0756QGTVQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_J4bGDb9SM15WH
Bumping an old thread...
I see this and the reddit post saying the aukey charger works. But the Amazon listing for the charger specifically says it cannot fast charge the note 10.
I'm confused.
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10V - 4.5A is what the Note 10 plus takes for 45w charging and that one doesn't seem to do that but Samsungs own 45w charger is dropping in price, I got mine for 37 quid a few weeks ago and there's also the Elecjet PowerPie 45 PPS powerbank you can get for between 50 and 60 quid
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ELECJET-Po...owerpie&qid=1584195250&sprefix=Elecjet&sr=8-1
https://elecjet.co.uk