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Make your own 5V backup battery?

Hey..
I want to make a pretty big backup battery for my TD2 or any other device that charges using a USB port.
I have 8 recharchable AA batteries (1,5V and 1800 mAh each) and want them in pairs off 4.
So two pairs off 6V packs and a total off 3600mAh.
But how do i acctually make this? Because i want to just plug it in some power socket so it will recharge the backup battery..
And when i need it. i just plug my phone in the backup battery so it will recharge and last ALLOT longer.

generally speaking, good socket adapters and car adapters (original ones too) have an automatic switch off when the battery gets fully charged. failing to do so can dramatically reduce the life of your battery. i think a safer (and more elegant too) solution is to buy a spare battery.

Sounds like hard work to me
Would something like this be better, I know its not as powerful as what you are proposing, and it has the cut out built into it as well.
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or get what I have which is this
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It charges via USB, mains, solar, has extra connectors for alot of devices.
Just my input...

If it was my problem, I would make a very simple constant current charger using a disused 19V laptop supply (doesn't everyone have one?) and a series resistor. The resistor value should be calculated from the charging current. You shouldn't go for a high current because you would need to cut off the charging when complete, or the cells would get very hot and be damaged. Proper chargers do this, but it takes a relatively complex circuit to manage the charge.
A low charge current (less than a tenth of the cell capacity) is good for cell lifespan and is safe to leave connected for a while even when the charge is complete without damaging the cell. The only drawback is a long charge time. I would select a current which charges fully in about 22 hours, so you put it on charge at a certain time and remove it next day at the same time - easy to remember.
With a 19V supply and a battery pack voltage of about 5 volts, a current of 200mA would need a resistor of value 70 Ohms - the nearest actual value is 68 ohms. Power rating would need to be 3W absolute minimum, try to get a 5W part. Your 3600mA pack should be charged after 22-24 hours. If your old laptop supply is different from 19V, you need to calculate the resistor accordingly. A low voltage supply wouldn't be suitable, because the charging current would vary too much.
Two points: Be sure to get the polarity of the laptop supply correct, and always have the supply connected to the mains when the battery pack is connected to it (otherwise the battery pack will try to put a current back through the supply, which it might not like!). Or you could incorporate a series 1A diode to protect against that happening.
I'm using a very simple supply like this to charge a 5v pack over 24 hours (it's from a bluetooth speaker - the internal charging circuit blew up) and it's perfect - I expect a long lifespan for the cells.
It's worth pointing out that putting 2 banks of cells in parallel, as you intend to, is not ideal unless the cells are matched, but in practice it shouldn't matter much.

there are 5v regulators u can buy to make your circuit work at 5v what is nice about that is that i can step up and step down voltages if the voltage fluctuates(battery power levels), btw the phones do the auto shutoff when the battery is full not the charger, because charger does not have a feedback system to read battery levels. Why do u think there is 3 or some times 4 connections on a battery and not 2
the problems u might encounter are amp levels due to long term charging but 4 1800mA AA battery will do a good charge for your phone
anyway here is a 5v reg from radioshack as referrence
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062599

jngtt said:
there are 5v regulators u can buy to make your circuit work at 5v what is nice about that is that i can step up and step down voltages if the voltage fluctuates(battery power levels), btw the phones do the auto shutoff when the battery is full not the charger, because charger does not have a feedback system to read battery levels. Why do u think there is 3 or some times 4 connections on a battery and not 2
the problems u might encounter are amp levels due to long term charging but 4 1800mA AA battery will do a good charge for your phone
anyway here is a 5v reg from radioshack as referrence
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062599
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I might be misunderstanding you, but if you mean charging the cells from a 5v regulator, that would be a bad idea. NiCad or NiMH cells shouldn't and can't be charged from a constant voltage source. When you start charging the current would be too high (the 7805 would probably switch itself off) and the charge would never finish either, as 4 cells in series have an endpoint voltage of about 5.6 - 6.0V.
But perhaps you didn't mean that... (in which case apologies for butting in)

Pete_S said:
I might be misunderstanding you, but if you mean charging the cells from a 5v regulator, that would be a bad idea. NiCad or NiMH cells shouldn't and can't be charged from a constant voltage source. When you start charging the current would be too high (the 7805 would probably switch itself off) and the charge would never finish either, as 4 cells in series have an endpoint voltage of about 5.6 - 6.0V.
But perhaps you didn't mean that... (in which case apologies for butting in)
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The 5v regulator just sets the voltage to be 5 volts as with all usb ports and usb chargers, the HTC charger that comes with the phones pushes 2A, the usb ports on our PCs pushes 0.5A. Ampere is just current, if u think that is too much amps u can put a fuse. This is the first time someone told me constant is bad
btw do u know how cells and battery work?

Going back to the original post, Overloaded just wanted a way to recharge his proposed battery pack from the mains, if I read it correctly.
I don't see where a 7805 5V regulator fits into this, either for charging the phone (the battery pack is 5-6V and the 7805 needs at least 7V to function) or for charging the battery pack (for reasons I've already outlined).

u are right, he does not need the 5v reg, infact all he needs to do is put the battery in serise with a diode to prevent feedback and he should be fine

Slightly off topic,
I recently got hold of two 11v LiPo packs, a regulator, a fast charger and all the cable and connectors to buils a 4400 mAh power souce. At 5v this gives circa. 8800 mAh. I bought it in a model shop sale and I've wanted to play around with the setup for some time.
The two packs are to big, but one on it's own is not too bad. And they were cheap!

Nexus 4 Battery Amps

Hello everyone,
I was wondering how far the nexus 4 can be pushed concerning charging...
I noticed normal charger on AC mode goes 1.2A, if you use USB socket of your pc it only charges 0.5A.
What is the maximum of A that the Nexus 4's battery can go? In other words if I took a 2.1A charger How much of that would it actually use?
Thanks

Chargers don't push, devices draw. You could put a 50 amp charger on it, it won't draw any more current than with the stock charger.

Solutions Etcetera said:
Chargers don't push, devices draw. You could put a 50 amp charger on it, it won't draw any more current than with the stock charger.
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So it can only draw 1.2A physically?
Is it technically possible for the device to draw more?
Is it a physical lumutation or a software limitation?

Not really, Nexus 4 Draw arround 700-900mA even with a
2.1A Charger...!

Artego said:
So it can only draw 1.2A physically?
Is it technically possible for the device to draw more?
Is it a physical lumutation or a software limitation?
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Given a constant voltage, the load (circuit) determines the current flow.
Think of 85 watt/120 volt light bulb. When connected to 120v outlet, it always draw 85w. No matter if 1 amp is available, or 20 amps, it will always draw the same amount of current.
Unless of course you increase voltage. Voltage is pressure, current is flow. Increasing voltage will push more current given the same load. Of course, increasing voltage can also damage devices that are not designed for it. Try plugging a 12v light bulb into 120v... POP!
The charging circuit inside the phone determines the load that is presented to the supply. The reason it only draws 500ma when plugged into a computer USB port is because the phone is smart enough to know it is connected to a computer because of signal on the data pins (2 & 3). Power is on pins 1 & 4.

Z3 Battery Charging Thread

Hiya,
I'm copying my original post over from the Z3 Compact forum as there should be a fair amount of similarities between the two models regarding battery charging.
Hiya,
I' hoping this is the right section to post this in.
I don't have my Z3C yet, but I've been searching for information on charging speed, charging current etc. - and there is barely anything to be found. What seems to be consent: A full charge (0-100%) takes about three hours. But then, some people say an almost full charge (0-90%) takes much less, as charging current is greatly reduced for the last 10% to reduce stress on the battery. Sony itself also claims that a small charge (something like 0-10%) should be quite fast as well.
Then there's some speculation about QuickCharge 2.0 being used or not used, that you could use a Motorola 2.0A charger to charge it faster than with the provided 1.5A Sony charger etc., which also brings up the question which resistor values on the D+ and D- wires are necessary to toggle different charging currents. (Or I might be stupid and there's a standard for that by now, which is the same for all Qualcomm devices.)
To cut it short: I'd request those who have a Z3C to post some comments about their charging times, and at best even their charging currents. I used an app called BatteryMonitor on my Desire HD, I'm sure there's others around now that give the same information. If someone could try out different chargers and record charging current over time, maybe even with a pretty graph, it'd surely help all future discussions about chargers, docks, modifications, DIY charging issues etc.
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So, as the same goes for the Z3: If someone can record their charging times, charging current and charger used: Go ahead and post it. Bonus points for taking a look at magnetic charging.

dragonfet said:
Hiya,
I'm copying my original post over from the Z3 Compact forum as there should be a fair amount of similarities between the two models regarding battery charging.
So, as the same goes for the Z3: If someone can record their charging times, charging current and charger used: Go ahead and post it. Bonus points for taking a look at magnetic charging.
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A recent tear down confirms the Qualcomm chip for Quick Charge 2.0 support, so what we need now is for someone to get a compatible PSU that can 'talk' to the phone and then supply more power. That should see a huge improvement in charge time.
I am just trying to find a source for a compatible charger. So far I've only seen the Motorola Turbo Charger in the USA, and I'd be wary of buying anything made by a no-name brand at this point.
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.

jonmorris said:
A recent tear down confirms the Qualcomm chip for Quick Charge 2.0 support, so what we need now is for someone to get a compatible PSU that can 'talk' to the phone and then supply more power. That should see a huge improvement in charge time.
I am just trying to find a source for a compatible charger. So far I've only seen the Motorola Turbo Charger in the USA, and I'd be wary of buying anything made by a no-name brand at this point.
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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I have read excellent reviews for the Blackberry Premium Charger (the one with the yellow tip), super cheap on Amazon right now. Recommended by Android Central and others for its 2A charging capability. I have used it in the past from my HTC One X days and have re ordered for my Z3. Honestly, my Z3 is charging more than fast enough with the OEM supplied charger, which may be less powerful but more optimised than another OEM's charger. The one I'd trust most if I was forced to use one would be the above model of the BB charger.

jonmorris said:
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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more power can either be achieved through more voltage (that could potentially be harmful if the hardware is not compatible) or more current. More current is 100% save as the charging circuit just takes what it needs, independent of the (more potent) capabilities of the charger.
As Oppo showed with its find 7 just raising the current is a viable option which works. This is also a Snapdragon 801 device.

With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?

jonmorris said:
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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Would it be possible that the PSU simply always limits the power output? For example, the phone might try to draw 1.5A, but the PSU doesn't support it and limits at 1.0A. Then magnetic charging could work with 1.5A or even 2.0A without the need for communication over the D+ / D- pins. (And attaching the magnetic port with a USB adapter to a PC or Laptop might cause the USB Port to shut down and trigger an overcurrent warning.)
AKK03 said:
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
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That would make sense. Though wonder where the extra 500 mA are going, it surely can't be the phone's standby. And given a typical maximum charging current of 1.0C (C = battery capacity), it would translate into 3.1A of charging current and therefore a 3.5A power supply.
Is this current constant from 1% to about 65%?

AKK03 said:
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
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If there are restrictions they are most likely within the Kernel and we may be able to change them in the future with custom Kernels

dragonfet said:
That would make sense. Though wonder where the extra 500 mA are going, it surely can't be the phone's standby. And given a typical maximum charging current of 1.0C (C = battery capacity), it would translate into 3.1A of charging current and therefore a 3.5A power supply.
Is this current constant from 1% to about 65%?
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There is some fluctuation, but is roughly around 1A.

I have test 2 different charger
from "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" logs
with EP880 (1.5A max)
show ...................... 1.1A max
with 2 Amp charger
show .....................1.5A max

maxx228 said:
I have test 2 different charger
from "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" logs
with EP880 (1.5A max)
show ...................... 1.1A max
with 2 Amp charger
show .....................1.5A max
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Thanks for the results. I have my Z3 by now and recorded some as well.
From 0 to 68%, it charges with 1000-1100 mA, then it goes into CV (constant voltage) mode and stays there until 95%. Then the curent drops slightly. The rest of the charging curve is not usable, as it was the first full charge my handset had. And the last for now, as I have to send it back due to a gap in the frame and microphone issues.
I'll post a complete curve when I have the new one and did a few cycles. What's clear for now:
1. Charging current with the stock charger is around 1.1 A max.
2. The phone charges up to 95% with 0.5% per minute. (Stock Charger)
3. It drops to 0.125% between 95% und 100%, likely to put less strain on the battery.
It's nice to see that there's appearantly support for higher charging currents. Though we should keep in mind that a higher current also means more stress for the battery, especailly when the phone is used while charging (higher battery temperature as the CPU also adds heat).

my Z3 came with the charging dock dk48.. it is rated at 1.8a, charging is fast

I can't speak to the Z3 (yet), but my Z1s charges nearly twice as fast on the magnetic charging dock as it does through the USB connection. As a result, I can leave my screen on at full brightness while on the dock and still charge. I would *expect* similar behaviour from the Z3.

Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/

Zanr Zij said:
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
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The original charger is rated 1.5A, actual charging on Z3 is 1.0A.
Xiaomi is rated 2.1A, so I guess is reasonable to expect 1.5A actual charging from it.
For your magnetic charging dock or cable, are you using the original charger?
With the original charger, I'm getting the same result with or without dock.

Zanr Zij said:
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
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where did you get the magnetic charging cable?

AKK03 said:
The original charger is rated 1.5A, actual charging on Z3 is 1.0A.
Xiaomi is rated 2.1A, so I guess is reasonable to expect 1.5A actual charging from it.
For your magnetic charging dock or cable, are you using the original charger?
With the original charger, I'm getting the same result with or without dock.
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With Mi Power Bank, I used micro USB cable, not magnetic.
I'm using Samsung Note 3 2.0A charger. Through micro USB port, I got lower current, about 1.0-1.2A but with magnetic cable 1.5-1.6A.
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Shudder123 said:
where did you get the magnetic charging cable?
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Included in my Z3 retail box

Zanr Zij said:
With Mi Power Bank, I used micro USB cable, not magnetic.
I'm using Samsung Note 3 2.0A charger. Through micro USB port, I got lower current, about 1.0-1.2A but with magnetic cable 1.5-1.6A.
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Included in my Z3 retail box
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you mean the USB cable?

Shudder123 said:
you mean the USB cable?
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My Z3 Dual retail box has 2 cables: usb and magnetic

Zanr Zij said:
My Z3 Dual retail box has 2 cables: usb and magnetic
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where did you get yours from? mine only came with a USB cable

I have a z3 dual .. I did not notice the second cable in the box. I have to check again

G5 charging data with QC2.0 and QC3.0

There's a wall of text below, but you can skip all that here and just soak in my answers to some general interest questions. My data is presented below in case you want to bore yourself with the details.
See post #7 for QC3 data http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66646418&postcount=7
1. Does using a micro-USB to USB-C adapter impede charging amperage, as measured by the Android OS?
No, actually not significantly at all. I'm somewhat surprised by this.
2. Does the LG charger work as fast as a certified QC2 charger?
Yes, pretty much.
3. Does AOD affect charging rates? With QC2, the amperage drops significantly if charging with the screen on, using the phone, etc. AOD probably is different, so let's prove it.
AOD does NOT appear to affect charging rates, though if the phone is charging in a bright environment it might.
4. What are some standard temperatures in these scenarios and at rest?
During charging, the highest my phone hits is ~31-32oC. With it plugged in but not delivering any amperage, it cools to ~23oC. At rest, unplugged, depending on ambient temps, it varies anywhere in the 20s.
5. What amperage does QC2 provide at max?
~3000mA, if the battery % is low enough. And not for very long. For comparison, on my G4, the max was about ~2400mA on QC2, 1800mA with a non-QC charger.
EDIT: I've found that the Android OS cannot accurately list amperage numbers. I think this is because it presumes all input will be at 5V. With QC2 and QC3, this is no longer the case. With my USB multimeter and a QC2 charger, the max amperage is ~2.4A, which slowly drops as the charging % increases.
6. How long does it take to fully charge the G5?
On QC2.0, 1 hour 20 minutes, from 0 to 100%.
There's been some discussion regarding charging rates and charging adapters on our newly released G5s. In the US, on T-Mobile, the phone comes with a QC2-style charger, "Fast Charge." I have read this is not exactly the same an official certified QC2 (I don't know how accurate that is though).
The QC2 standard supports 4 different modes, 5V/2A, 9V/2A, 12V/1.67A, and a 20v option. For comparison, QC3 has dynamic voltage, going from 3.2v - 20v.
The 'fast charge' adapter provided by LG supports the 9v and 5v modes, though the amperage is listed as 1.8A:
9.0V @ 1.8A or
5.0V @ 1.8A
In addition to the LG stock adapter, I also have a Tronsmart QC2 charger which is rated at 5V/2A, 9V/2A, and 12V/1.5A. http://www.amazon.com/Updated-Versi...direct=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage#Ask
In addition to the stock LG-provided USB-A to USB-C cable, I have some TechMatte micro-USB to USB-C converters, Benson approved. Everyone invested in Android has tons of micro-USB cords, but USB-C not so much. These cheap adapters help with the transition. They are the #1 sellers on Amazon and available here:
http://amazon.com/TechMatte-Connect...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
With my 2 chargers and 2 cable set ups, I attempted to systematically document the charging using Battery Monitor Widget Pro (BMW Pro), a great app because it will log a host of stats with no user intervention. (This may not be as accurate as someone using external equipment like a Charger Doctor, but it's good enough for our purposes).
First, some general observations. The first day I had the G5 I did not activate the SIM, nor did I install all my apps. So overnight, it sat connected to wifi but not doing much else. Doze was able to get an impressive -5mA drain for much of the night. Not such a surprise since it wasn't trying to do much. This is without AOD.
Second, when the phone was going through its initial re-installation of my dozens of apps, it ran up to ~40oC. I don't think this is surprising, but it was good to nail down a number.
Third, the voltage tops out at 4400mV. The charger keeps drawing a decent mA for ~40 minutes after it hits 100%. Maybe some additional top-off juice?
Methodology - No phone interaction during the relevant measurement time. Kept whatever other background apps running. BMW Pro logged measurements every 10 minutes. Connected to wifi.
Scenario A - QC2.0 Tronsmart charger with LG-supplied USB-C cable. I would expect this to be the fastest since the charger has 3 modes to choose from (though the wattage from the 12V and 9V is technically the same) and there is no adapter to flow through.
This charging cycle data was collected after I ran my battery completely down. I then rebooted and plugged in the charger asap. This data shows the max amperage to be ~3000mA. This slowly decreases over time.
A simpler read of the charge rate data:
18% @ 10 min, 3063 ma
38% @ 20 min, 2866 ma
57% @ 30 min, 2653 ma
72% @ 40 min, 2025 ma
84% @ 50 min, 1484 ma
92% @ 60 min, 974 ma
97% @ 1:10, 538 ma
100% @ 1:20, 437 ma
Scenario B - Always on display with Tronsmart QC2.0 and USB-C cable. Does AOD change anything from Scenario A?
One thing I noticed is that the AOD is responsive to ambient lighting! So that definitely could alter whatever charging curve we record. This cycle was initially started at 0% in a room with some fading sunlight but no direct illumination. This run was hampered by the phone shutting down from a low battery at the very beginning of the cycle despite being plugged in! Maybe there was too much current demanded by the phone as it booted up and with the AOD on. So this run necessitated starting at ~2%. Hence a 2% 'bump' in the early data points.
Transcribing the data:
21% @ 10 min, 3017 ma
40% @ 20 min, 3065 ma
60% @ 30 min, 2654 ma
74% @ 40 min, 2022 ma
86% @ 50 min, 1482 ma
93% @ 60 min, 975 ma
97% @ 1:10 min, 537 ma
100% @ 1:20 min, 399 ma
Once again it takes 1:20 for a full charge. Despite the 2-3% variability on the lower end, the higher data points basically match Scenario A's. So I would conclude having AOD on does not affect charging times, though that could change if the phone was in a bright environment.
Scenario C - "Fast charge" adapter provided from LG, with micro-USB to USB-C adapter. I would have guessed this would be the slowest charge.
Starting amperage here was again ~3000mA. I didn't start this cycle at 0%, probably more like 25%, but the charging percentages coincidentally lined up remarkably well for a good comparison. (I'd want a 0% start cycle to really confirm this data which I may add in the future).
38% @ 10 min, 3065 ma.
58% @ 20 min, 2654 ma
72% @ 30 min, 2021 ma
84% @ 40 min, 1479 ma
92% @ 50 min, 974 ma
97% @ 60 min, 664 ma
100% @ 1:10 min, 419 ma
So even though the charging started at 25% battery (so obviously the time measurements can't line up), the % charged sample points line up for nearly direct comparisons to Scenario A. At each battery %, the mA are nearly identical. So I'm concluding there's very little mA loss from the adapter.
You might argue for 2 other scenarios here for full comparison, the QC2.0 charger with the adapter and the LG charger with the USB-C cable. Maybe in another update. Currently, I think Scenario A and C here would be the fastest and slowest, respectively, at charging, so showing there is no difference at the extremes makes the other 2 scenarios less important.

If you get a chance, can you try with screen on & verify if you see what I've found that QC3 charges then at 1A & QC2 at 0.3A above 35c & 0.6A when cooler than 35C.
If so, it confirms that the real tangible benefit of QC3 is if you charge with screen on frequently, eg in a car would see a big boon.
Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk

seems strange they have stepped away from the usual cc/cv li charging routine. is this a QC change?

I'm still in the midst of collecting data for the next presentation. There are a lot of permutations to go through, with a couple of cables and chargers.
In the meantime, I did confirm @stuart0001's observation that with the screen on, QC3.0 charges at ~1000mA, seen below (yellow band means screen on, green means AC power charging):
I didn't charge it all the way, just for ~30 minutes, but each measurement during that time did show the same charging amperage.
Also to add thoroughness, I have ordered a USB current/volt passthrough meter to more accurately report what happens.
More to come!

i find that the cheap as chips Samsung fast adaptive (2we version) charger you can get for around £5 on ebay works perfectly with the G5 and it recognises it as a fast charger.

waylo said:
I don't have a QC3 charger and I am debating if it is really worth it.
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It's easier on the battery so you might get more life out of it.
QC2 charges as fast as it can then slows.
QC3 charges as fast as the phone will allow.
This can have a bearing on battery longevity. How much longer is debatable since you're still using QC which will be more stressful than non QC. The stock charger might not be QC but it is a fast charger and 1h30 is about std to from from empty to full with it.
See this post
less than a year and its replace battery time. Fortunately, not a big deal on LG's

QC3.0 data!
I have been working with 2 QC3.0 wall chargers with USB-A ports over the past couple of weeks. I’ve also purchased a USB voltmeter/ammeter to help with more measurements to understand our charging capabilities.
One charger is the ChoeTech QC3.0 18W USB Wall Charger, available here:
http://amazon.com/Charge-Charger-Co...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
The other is the Tronsmart WC1T 18W USB Wall Charger, available here:
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-WC1...rue&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_1&smid=ALTVS0Q5KJ7M3
For full disclosure, I received both as free retail products courtesy of each company. They were both delivered via Amazon so they are the same as you’d get if you ordered them yourself.
I purchased for myself a very cheap USB multimeter, available here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/400963912153
It does okay. I then purchased a more reputable Drok multimeter, available here: https://www.amazon.com/DROK-Multime...true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AFHAE9RJVUMB
Finally, ChoeTech provided a fairly capable USB multimeter of their own manufacture for my testing purposes.
Once again, my talking points first. Then a bunch of nitty gritty details afterwards if you so care.
1. Both QC3.0 chargers are made well and supply variable voltage, the main difference between QC3.0 and QC2.0.
2. The charging times for QC2.0 and QC3.0 are nearly identical!
3. The voltage used to attain these charging times, however, is much lower in QC3.0 than QC2.0. This will help with battery longevity.
4. We do NOT get the 80% in 35 minutes charging that is sometimes touted in QC3 ads. More like 65%. There are some reasons for this.
5. USB-C specification compliant USB-A to USB-C cables DO NOT limit our QC3.0 phone to 5V and 2.4A. This is safe per Qualcomm.
6. Our G5 phones seem to like ~6.5-7.0V charging voltage when used with a QC3.0 adapter. With our LG QC2-ish fast adapter it stays around 9V the whole time.
First, some relevant technical info re: USB-C standards vs QC3.0 charging.
QC3.0 is by definition not compliant with USB-C standards, because variable voltage is not allowed by the USB-C specification. So Nexus USB-C’s charging, which is adherent to USB-C spec, is not the same as Qualcomm QC3.0. You may have heard of Benson Leung, the Google engineer, who has set out to test USB-C devices and accessories. He does not endorse the G5 or the HTC 10 because they do not completely adhere to USB-C spec, but rather Qualcomm’s QC3.0.
Just because the cables are not USB-C spec does not mean that they are unsafe. To me, it really just means that USB-C spec devices may not be able to properly draw current from a power source when using a non-spec USB-C cable, which could damage the power source. Not exactly relevant to Qualcomm’s QC3.0. In fact, Qualcomm put out a statement to qualify this: http://www.androidcentral.com/qualcomm-addresses-usb-type-c-and-quick-charge-30-compatibility
The USB-C specs become a bit relevant when talking about USB-A to USB-C cables and adapters. Due to the circuitry required to make these spec, these cables and adapters are limited to 5V @ 2.4 A when used by USB-C spec devices. All the ones that Amazon sells now are USB-C standard compliant.
Based on my testing, however, this limitation does NOT extend to QC devices. We definitely get > 5V on my voltmeter testing. This was using both the LG-supplied USB-A to USB-C cable, as well as a Benson-approved USB-A to USB-C cable. The amperage measured with the USB volt/ammeter does not typically go >2.5A however. This may be more a reflection of the wattage rating of the chargers. They top out at 18W, and wattage = voltage * amperage. The top amperage their stats spout is 3A.
With the supplied LG fast charger (QC2.0-esque), it will hang out at 9V the entire time with the amperage starting out around 2A and then dropping as the battery fills.
I had stated previously in many places that the amperage tops out around ~3A early in the charging process, which is from data collected via the app Battery Monitor Widget (BMW). This is incorrect, due to the way the Android OS reports amperage. I have been informed that the Android OS amp data is based on 5V charging, so anything different from that (as we would see on QC2 and QC3) can result in erroneously high amperage readings.
I do not know if the LG supplied cord is spec because I do not have the equipment needed to test it (basically just a Nexus and the CheckR app). But I will be incorporating it into our test data to show you how it compares.
Here's a snapshot of the relevant stats printed on the adapters, with the Tronsmart on the left and the ChoeTech on the right:
One notable difference is that on the Tronsmart, the voltages are printed as variable, which is one of the major improvements to QC3.0. Interestingly, on the ChoeTech there is no mention of variable voltage. In my testing it does vary the voltage similarly, but my personal opinion is they are missing out by not advertising this on the label.
Other notable pros/cons:
1. The ChoeTech has a reversible USB-A port, so it doesn't matter which end is up. That's nice. It also comes with a USB-A to USB-C cord, though only 3 feet long.
2. The ChoeTech cable supplied is the same USB-A to C cable which has been reviewed and approved as USB-C spec by Benson Leung here: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3URN3...sb-20&linkId=9f4d7368af5d896b0482e4f62db75d06
ChoeTech support has confirmed this personally.
3. The TronSmart comes with a longer cord, but unfortunately it’s USB-A to micro-USB. It’s too bad it’s micro-USB, because I’m not aware of any QC3 phones that use microUSB. So you’ll need an adapter or a different cord.
First up, the ChoeTech.
@stuart0001 has posted an earlier review of the ChoeTech UK version, seen here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/accessories/choetech-qc-3-0-18w-wall-charger-t3356038. Interestingly, he found that the charge rates were exactly the same as his LG fast charger if the screen was off. There were some situations were QC3 charging was much better with the screen on at high temperatures.
For the first ChoeTech test run, I used the LG-supplied cable.
Top off amperage was applied for an additional 30-40 minutes after hitting 100%.
I repeated this with the ChoeTech Benson approved cable and found identical results.
Onto the Tronsmart. I used the G5 supplied LG cable first.
Repeating the cycle with the ChoeTech Benson approved cable gave nearly identical data.
Comparing side by side by side the QC2.0 data with the QC3.0 data:
So very intriguing. Just like with @stuart0001 's analysis, the charging times did not differ much at all from QC2.0 charging!
But there’s more to this than just the charging times. Using my voltmeter, the voltage for each charger is a bit different. Using the LG fast adapter, the voltage hangs around 9V for the entire duration with the amperage slowing decreasing.
Using QC3.0, voltage ranged between 6.3 - 8.3V, with amperage maxing at 2.7A.
(Note the nonstandard charging time data points. The voltmeter does not have any logging capability, so I physically had to check on it throughout the hour+. Sometimes I had things to do )
QC3.0 advertises 80% fill in 35 minutes for QC3.0, compared with 65% for QC2.0. We don’t really see this though. Possible reasons?
1. The phone has preset charging parameters that won’t let us go that fast. A Tronsmart support person has told me that the G5 likes 6V as its optimal charging level. We do see this on the voltmeter results much of the charging cycle. I believe this is set in the kernel programming.
2. The 18W rating on the chargers tested won’t allow for greater amperage or voltage. There are 24W chargers out there.
3. The USB-A port on the chargers have some limit? Would love to test a USB-C port QC3.0 charger (I think there’s only one on Amazon right now).
4. There is some sort of charging limitation in the USB-A to USB-C cable after all.
More ideas to think about.
EDIT:
Attempts to monitor charging voltage/amperage of the USB-A to micro-USB with USB-C adapter result in repeat disconnects and reconnects.
I think the amperage and voltages are too high for the connected USB meter to measure and pass through.
EDIT 2:
I purchased a more reputable USB meter and it works now. The cheap one would throw a fit and reset/cut off charging when the voltage or amperage hit its upper limits. I may re-test some of the voltage measurements in the future.

@waylo Thanks for that excellent write up.
Picking up on the Qualcomm advertised estimate. It's disingenuous at best (I'd say they're being fraudulent) . They state in small print that it's based on the 0-50% current, so how they can justify extrapolating that instead of using the actual time is beyond me.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge
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Haha, that is very very sneaky of them. Seriously, why don't just extrapolate the first 20 minutes (40% then) and say it'll be full in 45 minutes then?
Getting some weird results on the USB meter trying to measure QC3.0 through USB-A to USB-micro cable with a USB-C adapter on it. Do you have one to try with your voltmeter?

waylo said:
Haha, that is very very sneaky of them. Seriously, why don't just extrapolate the first 20 minutes (40% then) and say it'll be full in 45 minutes then?
Getting some weird results on the USB meter trying to measure QC3.0 through USB-A to USB-micro cable with a USB-C adapter on it. Do you have one to try with your voltmeter?
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Yes I have. I can have a look later. Something else I've noticed occasionally, but need to try & repeat, is that even different USB-A to C cables are giving quite wildly different voltages on the same charger.
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waylo said:
With the supplied LG fast charger (QC2.0-esque), it will hang out at 9V the entire time with the amperage starting out around 2A and then dropping as the battery fills.
Now, I have stated in many places that the amperage tops out around ~3A early in the charging process, which is from data collected via the app Battery Monitor Widget (BMW). So there is a bit of a discrepancy here. I have been a big advocate for BMW over other apps, due mostly to its passive logging. The dev of BMW has emailed me saying the mA is provided by the Android OS using a current sensor. So as of now, I don’t have a good explanation for how I routinely get ~3A charging amperage logs for the first 20 minutes while my ammeter does not show that draw. Could be a cheap (certainly) and inaccurate (don’t know) ammeter for all I know.
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Am more likely to trust those cheap meters because they have proven to be invaluable in diagnosing charging problems with older devices. Software based tools proved to be not very useful with fault finding.
So getting 3A in software and the meter reading 2A implies an error of 50% with the meter. That is way too high an error. Don't believe it.
It's good to have both as a check but i'd side with the meter. It isn't faulty.
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stuart0001 said:
@waylo Thanks for that excellent write up.
Picking up on the Qualcomm advertised estimate. It's disingenuous at best (I'd say they're being fraudulent) . They state in small print that it's based on the 0-50% current, so how they can justify extrapolating that instead of using the actual time is beyond me.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge
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Usual BS claims in the tech industry...once people start poking around the real picture emerges.

One Twelve said:
Am more likely to trust those cheap meters because they have proven to be invaluable in diagnosing charging problems with older devices. Software based tools proved to be not very useful with fault finding.
So getting 3A in software and the meter reading 2A implies an error of 50% with the meter. That is way too high an error. Don't believe it.
It's good to have both as a check but i'd side with the meter. It isn't faulty.
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Usual BS claims in the tech industry...once people start poking around the real picture emerges.
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It's a trick one. However the reported values in apps seem in step with the % gain and battery capacity. ie it's 2800mAh capacity so at 3A you'd expect 50% charge in 28 minutes which is what you get.
Also, the meter reports output but won't account for usage drain & won't give the net +ve charge current the battery is actually receiving.
It comes down to the correct measure for capacity should be watt hours. I suspect the software reports must be using a fixed internal volt number & applying that to the received watts to give a mA figure.
Ultimately, if we think of the mA software #s as really a relative guidance simply on how fast it'll fill 2800, it's as good as any real life measure
http://www.goalzero.com/solarlife/2...-question-of-battery-capacity-in-electronics/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYx6GW-HaVg
4:30 onwards.
Says he got from 5% to 91% within an hour with the stock charger..
That would be faster than QC2.

One Twelve said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYx6GW-HaVg
4:30 onwards.
Says he got from 5% to 91% within an hour with the stock charger..
That would be faster than QC2.
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That's bull**** I reckon
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stuart0001 said:
That's bull**** I reckon
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From the last page.
At 90 within the hour.
2. Does the LG charger work as fast as a certified QC2 charger?
Yes, pretty much.
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One Twelve said:
From the last page.
At 90 within the hour.
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I stand corrected. ?
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So is there any need to get additional chargers and cables ? What compelling arguments can be made to support that.
why not just use what came in the box
I don't believe LG would intentionally supply a charger & cable that could be harmful to the G5 despite what Benson Leung says.

Regarding the current discrepancies.
I put my phone in aeroplane mode & killed all running apps room minimise background draw.
If I multiply the Amps by Volts of both meter & 3C app (mV/1000) to get Watts, I'm generally getting a fairly consistent 15% higher on the meter. This is likely due to adapter compensating for efficiency loss of the cable & some draw used by background apps.
So both methods appear to be accurate in their own way.
I'd say the meter is good to assess it's maximum wattage & the voltage range but if you want to know how quick it charges the phone, software is best.
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One Twelve said:
So is there any need to get additional chargers and cables ? What compelling arguments can be made to support that.
why not just use what came in the box
I don't believe LG would intentionally supply a charger & cable that could be harmful to the G5 despite what Benson Leung says.
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If you use the phone a lot whilst charging, above 32c with screen on, QC 3.0 is significantly faster. In fact I've seen QC 2.0 not even be able to supply enough for a net positive current.
For me, after seeing the results, in car at least is a must for QC 3.0.
Screen off they are near identical.
The voltage granularity of QC 3.0 may mean slightly prolonged battery longevity but no really an issue when we can swap batteries anyway.
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[MENTION=2562936]https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge
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Says its a 1.5C charge. But only upto 50%.
Compare with this graph from here.
if you can charge the battery completely in 1 hour its a 1C charge.
But the table above indicated it took 80 minutes to completely charge. Implying its less than 1C charge for the total.
Then there is the discharge bit. Can anyone kill their battery in 1 hour ? that's a 1C discharge.
I don't know anybody that can do that. The fastest i've seen is dead in 1h30 with 4k video. 1% an hour. Still not a 1C discharge.
Am beginning to think fast charge, quick charge some other speedy charge per se ain't doing anything bad for the battery
What is more likely to do it is operating temperature.
All batteries achieve optimum service life if used at 20°C (68°F) or slightly below. If, for example, a battery operates at 30°C (86°F) instead of a more moderate lower room temperature, the cycle life is reduced by 20 percent. At 40°C (104°F), the loss jumps to a whopping 40 percent, and if charged and discharged at 45°C (113°F), the cycle life is only half of what can be expected if used at 20°C (68°F).
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stuart0001 said:
If you use the phone a lot whilst charging, above 32c with screen on, QC 3.0 is significantly faster. In fact I've seen QC 2.0 not even be able to supply enough for a net positive current.
For me, after seeing the results, in car at least is a must for QC 3.0.
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One Twelve said:
Says its a 1.5C charge. But only upto 50%.
Compare with this graph from here.
if you can charge the battery completely in 1 hour its a 1C charge.
But the table above indicated it took 80 minutes to completely charge. Implying its less than 1C charge for the total.
Then there is the discharge bit. Can anyone kill their battery in 1 hour ? that's a 1C discharge.
I don't know anybody that can do that. The fastest i've seen is dead in 1h30 with 4k video. 1% an hour. Still not a 1C discharge.
Am beginning to think fast charge, quick charge some other speedy charge per se ain't doing anything bad for the battery
What is more likely to do it is operating temperature.
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You're probably right. For me, because I can replace the battery, being able to charge quickly in the car is more important than longevity.
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Some questions regarding DASH charger, cable, and other phones

I'm aware to take advantage of "DASH" charging (5V 4A), you need a DASH charger with the circuitry, and a DASH capable phone.
1. Can I theoretically use any USB C to USB A cable with my OP5 and DASH charger, or will the phone limit the current? I understand cables may not support 4A of current, but I want to know will the charger and/or phone stop it from pulling so much current? What if I buy a high-quality cable off Monoprice? Or does the cable have to be "DASH Certified"?
2. If I were to plug in another phone into the DASH Charger and official cable, like say a Nexus 5X, how will the Nexus charge? The Nexus usually pulls 3A from a 5V charger. Can the Nexus still pull 3A from the DASH charger, or will it be limited to 1 or 2A?
3. If I were to plug the OP5 into another, non-DASH charger, what's the maximum voltage/amps it can pull? For example, the Nexus 5X charger is rated at 5V 3A. Would the OP5 be able to pull the 3A, or does it need some special circuitry? If so, what would it draw? 2A or less?
Last question: From what I understand if I use a laptop USB C charger, things should work okay- especially if the power brick shows it suppors 5V, 9V, and 12V. I assume the device will tell it to use the 5V line and draw whatever current it can. But what if I have a USB C charger that only says 12V on it? Or say 19V? Am I taking a gamble then? Let's assume this charger that is only rated at a high voltage is not a "shady" charger, and they followed the USB C spec properly. Should I be okay?
Thanks.

Any input or insight on these questions? I've read a lot about DASH charging, but looking for clarity on the above questions.

1. You can use any cable with your dash charger but your phone won't take advantage of the dash charging speeds and instead will charge at around 1.5 to 1.7 amps. So far I haven't seen a single cable no matter the brand working at dash charging speeds so the only cable I've seen working with dash charging are the official 1+ ones.
2. I don't have my Nexus 6p anymore to test this out but theoretically a 3 amp capable phone could draw the necessary amperage from the dash charger since the dash charger is capable of up to 4A. However, I'm pretty sure the phone will charge at the traditional 1 to 2 amps.
3. Amperage, as opposed to Voltage, is drawn by the devices themselves meaning a 5V 3A charger will always push 5 volts and can give up to 3 amps of power to a connected device. The amperage may be below or equal to the capacity of the charger, but never more. Modern batteries and phones have special circuitry embedded in them to protect them from over voltage or excess current and the OP5 is no different.
When connected to a charger, a phone will usually try to identify the charger it's being connected to, if if fails to recognize its capacity, the phone will reduce the amount of current to a safe amount that's below the charger's capacity. Seeing as there are many different chargers, like 2A, 2.4, 3A, 4A, phones usually fall back to a safe charging current that's within the lowest capacity of the most common chargers so even with a 3 amp charger, the OP5 will probably charge at between 1 and 2 amps even if the charger has a 3 amp capacity.
4. Computer USB ports are fine since they have a 5 Volt power bus and any extra current needed is passed through the BMC configuration line and/or the VBUS line only when requested by the connected device. As for using a higher voltage, since voltage is pushed to the device, is not a good idea to use a charger rated with a higher voltage that of the device being charged because you run the risk of overloading the circuits. Phone chargers used in cars usually operate at 12 Volts but they have DC/DC converters and resistors to reduce the voltage to the 5 volts required for phones and tablets. I'm not aware of AC chargers being able to operate with different voltage regulators.

1, No，you can only use official cables, but, I'v tested that oppo vooc cable+micro2typec adapter, can Also dash charge at 5v 4a,Turst me ,the charge chip is in USB C

In case nobody else does, I'll answer question 2 on Friday, when I get to the office. I'll be able to try it with several USB-C capable devices.
Hope I won't forget the dash charger home.

So, as promised...
Today I tried the following devices:
- Nexus 6P, LG 5, OnePlus 5
- Nexus 6 original charger (model SSW-268EU), OnePlus 5 original charger
- LG G5 original cable, OnePlus 5 original cable
I used Ampere to measure the values. All three phones were at around 50% charging state. Temperature of the phones was around 30 °C (+/- 2 °C). Measurement time was around 1 minute.
The results represent the maximum stable values (shown for at least 5-10 seconds). Where there was a variation, it meant that the reading varied slowly between those two. One value means that the reading stayed fixed at that value. Amperage readings are expressed in Amperes. No approximation made and any variation of less than 0.1A was not taken into consideration. (i.e. 1.4A = 1400 ~ 1500 mA).
The tests are not scientifically rigorous and should be taken as such. These results are purely informative.
On the horizontal are the charger&cable combinations. On the vertical,the phones.
Moto & G5
N6P 1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 1.3-1.5A
Moto & 1+5
N6P 1.2A
G5 0.8-1A
1+5 1.3-1.4A
1+5 & 1+5
N6P 1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 3.3-3.4 A
1+5 & G5
N6P 1.1-1.2A
G5 1A
1+5 1.3A
If I forgot any details, don't hesitate to ask.

Thanks for the information! Your tests are exactly what I was looking for.

Dash Charger Stop charging at 83%
Is there anyone facing dash charger stop to charging at 83%? But with another charger can continue charging until 100%....

On the topic, there is a QC to VOOC adapter on TaoPao that someone tested on the OnePlus subreddit and it apparently works. I wonder how exactly it works, though. Apparently it's capable of getting 3A from a standard USB-C and QC 3.0 wall wart.