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[Q] Greetings! need some help

Hello all,
I'm very new to the XDA fourms, and would like to thank everyone for having and keeping such a supportive community for Android based products
I would like to start off saying I just recently purchased a Nexus 4 and I would really like to root it, i'm a complete noob too rooting and have a few questions. I did read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688 and the how too Youtube video. questions below
1. I did see that i can keep the custom rom and just unlock and root my device, but will this allow me to change my cpu speed and such to conserve battery or would i need to install a different kernal and rom?
2. After rooting and unlocking my device and keeping stock rom will i still be able to get OTA updates without reverting back to factory state? or would i have to revert back to factory state DL the OTA update and re-root again?
3. I know that nexus 4 tool kit says Root Stock Jelly Bean builds (upto 4.2.1 JOP40D), can i use this for 4.2.2 or is their a updated Tool kit for 4.2.2? and if their is can someone please provide a link i tried searching for it and couldn't find anything, and preferably from Mr. mskip
I know these questions have probably been asked a million times and i apologies in advance for that. (noob problems )
Also advice and opinions are always extremely welcome :good:
Best,
Pkang

pkang said:
Hello all,
I'm very new to the XDA fourms, and would like to thank everyone for having and keeping such a supportive community for Android based products
I would like to start off saying I just recently purchased a Nexus 4 and I would really like to root it, i'm a complete noob too rooting and have a few questions. I did read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688 and the how too Youtube video. questions below
1. I did see that i can keep the custom rom and just unlock and root my device, but will this allow me to change my cpu speed and such to conserve battery or would i need to install a different kernal and rom?
2. After rooting and unlocking my device and keeping stock rom will i still be able to get OTA updates without reverting back to factory state? or would i have to revert back to factory state DL the OTA update and re-root again?
3. I know that nexus 4 tool kit says Root Stock Jelly Bean builds (upto 4.2.1 JOP40D), can i use this for 4.2.2 or is their a updated Tool kit for 4.2.2? and if their is can someone please provide a link i tried searching for it and couldn't find anything, and preferably from Mr. mskip
I know these questions have probably been asked a million times and i apologies in advance for that. (noob problems )
Also advice and opinions are always extremely welcome :good:
Best,
Pkang
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1. CPU control is a function of the kernel. You can keep the stock kernel, but I'd recommend a custom one. More features and capabilities.
2. I may be mistaken, but I believe your OTA will function as long as you are on the stock ROM and kernel with the factory files in place and the stock recovery. That's a lot to sacrifice for an update, especially when they'll be readily available here.
3. Don't use a toolkit. Use the rooting sticky to learn how to do it right.

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estallings15 said:
1. CPU control is a function of the kernel. You can keep the stock kernel, but I'd recommend a custom one. More features and capabilities.
2. I may be mistaken, but I believe your OTA will function as long as you are on the stock ROM and kernel with the factory files in place and the stock recovery. That's a lot to sacrifice for an update, especially when they'll be readily available here.
3. Don't use a toolkit. Use the rooting sticky to learn how to do it right.
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thank you so much!
so use this sticky thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183555
or can you recommend one?

pkang said:
thank you so much!
so use this sticky thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183555
or can you recommend one?
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Yes, that thread has a lot of great info you should read up on if you are new to all of this.
Here is also a great thread if you just want to root the stock ROM. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
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El Daddy said:
Yes, that thread has a lot of great info you should read up on if you are new to all of this.
Here is also a great thread if you just want to root the stock ROM. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
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much much thanks!
Also i just wanted to know why the nexus 4 toolkit isn't recommended for beginners?
best,
Parm

pkang said:
much much thanks!
Also i just wanted to know why the nexus 4 toolkit isn't recommended for beginners?
best,
Parm
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Because when one uses a toolkit nothing is learned. If they ever run into a problem they won't know how to fix it. It also makes it more difficult for others to help because they don't understand the terminology.
I wrote more about this last January. That thread is linked in my signature "Dangers of toolkits and one click root methods."
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I wouldnt worry about updates.
Devs upload there ROMs with new android updates quickly.
Itll be much easier just to flash custom UPDATED ROMs than ota updates in my opinion.
Franco kernel would be a great start for you as well.
Amazing kernel.
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[Q] Is Cyanogenmod Worth It On the Nexus 10?

Do you think it is worth it to root the Nexus 10 and install a ROM like cyanognemod? Will rooting void my warranty? I love cyanognemod 10.1 on my HTC Vivid and I just traded in my iPad to get a Nexus 10. I don't have it yet and I'm wondering if a custom ROM is worth it. Are there any other ROMS anyone would recommend?
Any opinions?
Thanks!

Android without root is like non-alcoholic beer "what's the point" and CyanogenMod is the best thing that has happened to Android in my opinion.
Unleash your tablet is all I can recommend.
Erik
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ricco333 said:
Android without root is like non-alcoholic beer "what's the point" and CyanogenMod is the best thing that has happened to Android in my opinion.
Unleash your tablet is all I can recommend.
Erik
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Will I lose any unique features or options if I move to CM? I don't know if there are any special apps or features loaded on the Stock N10

If you are already running 4.3 you will lose those updates that came from moving from 4.2.2, but CM has way more to offer I think and they aren't far behind with the update.
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planegenius said:
Do you think it is worth it to root the Nexus 10 and install a ROM like cyanognemod? Will rooting void my warranty? I love cyanognemod 10.1 on my HTC Vivid and I just traded in my iPad to get a Nexus 10. I don't have it yet and I'm wondering if a custom ROM is worth it. Are there any other ROMS anyone would recommend?
Any opinions?
Thanks!
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You can reflash a factory image and relock the bootloader which effectively restores your warranty. A Google device is made for messing with without voiding your warranty.

3DSammy said:
You can reflash a factory image and relock the bootloader which effectively restores your warranty. A Google device is made for messing with without voiding your warranty.
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Will the bootloader show as relocked if you relock it?

planegenius said:
Will the bootloader show as relocked if you relock it?
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I don't believe so.

Why root and mod

ehi guys, just got a N4.
I'm wondering, why root , unlock and install a custorm rom on a Nexus 4, Google?
Just asking what good things i can have.
And if is difficoult to unlock and root to install custom roms on a 4.3.
Thanks everyone

Reasons here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTkHe7-lXw
Instruction here if you want to try: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
If you have to ask why then maybe you don't need root. You might brick your device if you try to install custom rom and do it incorrectly, just try rooting first. You don't exactly "install custom rom on 4.3", but over the entire device itself, wiping out your previous stock Android 4.3.
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There is no reason. People just want to do it. Don't over analyze simple things.

ismethajametovic said:
There is no reason. People just want to do it. Don't over analyze simple things.
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You might got that wrong here mate.
Mentioning a few examples, like making full backup of your device system or blocking ads , does it seem like rooting for fun or because someone wants to get more from his device?
Unleashed by my Nexus 4

davibs said:
ehi guys, just got a N4.
I'm wondering, why root , unlock and install a custorm rom on a Nexus 4, Google?
Just asking what good things i can have.
And if is difficoult to unlock and root to install custom roms on a 4.3.
Thanks everyone
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This is xda and no need to make a thread to ask that question... Not trying to be rude but there are 100's maybe 1000's of threads and reasons pros and cons that you can look at and draw up your own conclusion. Again no disrespect but the choice is yours and the reason both pro and con are out there.
Check Development and Check Themes and Apps for your good stuff
Good Luck :good:

Rooting is mandatory! For the extra functions for your device! The custom ROM thing! Give it a try! Been using CM since the GNex! But have been using and happy with stock for a while now. But with out exploring what custom ROMs offer, your always going to be wondering what the fuss is about! So give it a try! Once your rooted and a custom recovery is installed. Its as simple as copying a few over to your memory, and flashing. CM and PA are good starts but usually find custom ROMs are more of a drain on battery.
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Themindbuddah said:
Once your rooted and a custom recovery is installed. Its as simple as copying a few over to your memory, and flashing.
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You dont need to be rooted to install a custom rom. (flashing the custom rom will give you root) You just need a custom recovery.

First time Sprint GS4 user trying to learn about root

Hi, I am new to the GS4, came from the EVO 4G LTE, couldn't wait until it was time to upgrade and here I am finally! I did a search and specifically looking for information on rooting. Looking for pros and cons and possibly of returning to stock when necessary. Any help would be appreciated! I am currently running latest and greatest firware. Phone was purchased this weekend and I have upgraded to the latrst. Hopefully not a bad thing as I know with the EVO you would be screwed with the wrong hboot etc.
Thanks for your time and glad I went with Samsung, I'm loving this phone!
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waterbound said:
Hi, I am new to the GS4, came from the EVO 4G LTE, couldn't wait until it was time to upgrade and here I am finally! I did a search and specifically looking for information on rooting. Looking for pros and cons and possibly of returning to stock when necessary. Any help would be appreciated! I am currently running latest and greatest firware. Phone was purchased this weekend and I have upgraded to the latrst. Hopefully not a bad thing as I know with the EVO you would be screwed with the wrong hboot etc.
Thanks for your time and glad I went with Samsung, I'm loving this phone!
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If you've upgraded to the 'latest greatest' you actually are kind of screwed.
That means that you took the OTA to MK2 with the Knox bootloader. AND that means that you cannot modify your device without tripping the 'knox counter flag'. That may not be a big deal - you can still flash loads of ROMs.
AND you can root using CF-Autoroot - search it's here in the dev section. then add a custom recovery like Philz or TWRP (some ROMs require flashing with one or the other; I keep zips of both on my SD to let me flash between them for installing different ROMs.
And you can now return to stock MK2 via Odin thanks to a .tar you can download from Sammobile.com (link is here too). BUT you cannot 'reset' the knox counter - as of yet.
Take some more time and you'll surely find this device to be as fantastic as most of us do.
Good luck!

Thanks for the details! I figured I might have screwed myself a bit by taking the updates. I assume the counter flag isn't a big deal unless I want to return to stock? I'll read up on Knox to understand my limits. Thanks again!
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The Knox warranty flag will only affect you if you need to send the phone to Samsung for warranty repair or replacement. If you never need to send it to Samsung then it won't matter. Sprint has really changed their rooting policies lately and don't seem to complain as much if you rooted your phone. TEP, Best Buy Ins, Square Trade, and other insurances will still replace or fix your phone, Samsung is the only one that will have a problem that the warranty flag is tripped.

To root or not to root the s5?

Hey guys I'm pondering whether or not to root my s5 and I have yet to find THE reason. I'd appreciate it if you took a second to write down if you rooted or not. The pros and cons pertaining the the s5. So far there's only a handfull of roms available, a far cry from the previous, galaxy s forums.
IMO Xposed framework would be the only valid reason but then again is it worth tripping the knox counter and voiding our warranty?
What do you think?

I'm curious to know this also, unless some way is ever discovered to root without tripping Knox, or somehow reset Knox.
The one thing I'd love to do is enable more apps in multi-window. Does anyone know an easy way to do that without root?
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Hi,
I had my device rooted a couple days ago and I could'n be happier. I flashed a custom light ROM and IO have an amazing battery life now. I could last up to 24 hours with 7 hours screen on.
On more thing, you could experience more Android OS when you have your device rooted.
So what is the reason for not rooting your device?

Void warranty, that's really all.
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I'm still unsure if knox is tripped on rooting or if it's when a kernel/rom is flashed. I'd be happy to run a rooted stock rom for adblock and a few other apps that need root.
Very hesitant to lose the warranty on this even though I've beta tested and flashed hundreds of times in the past with other phones and never really worried about warranty as they were pretty much all used handsets.
sent from my Samsung Galaxy S5

Prof Peach said:
I'm still unsure if knox is tripped on rooting or if it's when a kernel/rom is flashed. I'd be happy to run a rooted stock rom for adblock and a few other apps that need root.
Very hesitant to lose the warranty on this even though I've beta tested and flashed hundreds of times in the past with other phones and never really worried about warranty as they were pretty much all used handsets.
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You know that's a good question because I remember being asked a question when I rooted my first s5 about knox. Maybe someone else could answer that one.
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mrnovanova said:
You know that's a good question because I remember being asked a question when I rooted my first s5 about knox. Maybe someone else could answer that one.
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The best way to root, is to remove knox completely if possible, its a stupid POS spyware app, that eats battery and has no purpose for the end user on the Galaxy S5. There is an app called Triangle away or something of the similar sort that can "trick" the phone into appearing that it has not been tampered with if you need to do a warranty.
I am not sure about your specific model, but if the bootloader is unlocked, why dont you flash AllianceROM, or one of the others which by default has knox removed, and root.

solrazr said:
The best way to root, is to remove knox completely if possible, its a stupid POS spyware app, that eats battery and has no purpose for the end user on the Galaxy S5. There is an app called Triangle away or something of the similar sort that can "trick" the phone into appearing that it has not been tampered with if you need to do a warranty.
I am not sure about your specific model, but if the bootloader is unlocked, why dont you flash AllianceROM, or one of the others which by default has knox removed, and root.
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Yeah, good point. Triangle away doesn't reset the knox counter not yet anyway. The thing is I have nothing against knox I appreciate the extra level of security I like the private mode and I like the fact that I can stop the phone from being rooted or reset should it fall into the wrong hands. That's a plus in my book. Furthermore none of the ROMs out that this moment make me wanna root I find that samsung has come a long way since my s2 customization wise. The phone is awesome out of the box IMHO.
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mrnovanova said:
Hey guys I'm pondering whether or not to root my s5 and I have yet to find THE reason. I'd appreciate it if you took a second to write down if you rooted or not. The pros and cons pertaining the the s5. So far there's only a handfull of roms available, a far cry from the previous, galaxy s forums.
IMO Xposed framework would be the only valid reason but then again is it worth tripping the knox counter and voiding our warranty?
What do you think?
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Hi! Some other opinions can be found in his thread (also my answer): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2724257
Cheers!
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zeldavn said:
Hi,
I had my device rooted a couple days ago and I could'n be happier. I flashed a custom light ROM and IO have an amazing battery life now. I could last up to 24 hours with 7 hours screen on.
On more thing, you could experience more Android OS when you have your device rooted.
So what is the reason for not rooting your device?
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Rooting the device might prevent some native apps from functioning such as allshare, screen cast etc...

Root is so good! believe me.:laugh:

hfs1314 said:
Root is so good! believe me.:laugh:
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Lol. I know. I'm actually convinced now. Screw the warranty LOL...:silly:

As long as you know what you're doing and you're voiding the phone's 1 year waranty with it. Think before you do it because it could never be undone (KNOX 0x1).
I'm leaving my S5 unrooted.

Root! No root, no fun!
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I think as of right now there is no good reason to root the S5....none of the current ROMs are worth breaking the warranty for and we aren't lagging behind the android OS versions that we want urgently catch up to. My advice would be to wait until more advanced rooting methods come around that bypass the knox tripping or until CM, AOKP, AOSP etc ROMS start rolling out or if we get a couple of Android OS versions behind, whichever comes first

mrnovanova said:
Hey guys I'm pondering whether or not to root my s5 and I have yet to find THE reason. I'd appreciate it if you took a second to write down if you rooted or not. The pros and cons pertaining the the s5. So far there's only a handfull of roms available, a far cry from the previous, galaxy s forums.
IMO Xposed framework would be the only valid reason but then again is it worth tripping the knox counter and voiding our warranty?
What do you think?
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today i ended up rooting because i was going criminally insane not having root, but i ran into a problem where the play store got deleted so i had to go a bit further and flash a new rom. ive had root on every android i have had besides the htc my touch. the features you get with root are so wonderful apps like adaway (most useful app in the history of apps), xposed installer, root browser, and many more that i cant think of yet are so useful that i couldnt live without them any longer. plus you can flash different roms if you love the s5 but hate touchwiz there is a rom for that. you have cm11 aokp crdroid paranoid and aosp to give you a stock experience. true at the moment you can not reset knox and if that is an issue for you then dont root. or.... dunk your phone in water without the cover on lol just kidding i do not recommend doing that. the choice is yours though i know others and i love having root and cant live without it. but there are just as many people who love root but dont want to trip knox. for me i ended up rooting because i found out my carrier does not check if the device is modified or not when you trade in so i just said screw it.take all counts into consideration is root something you need or do you not need some of the features you get with root. simple question is are you a hardcore user or basic user?

IMO, if not rooted, ROMed etc, why come to XDA Developers website, you know what I mean?
I do it first day on all devices, have'nt bricked one yet :silly: not!
I love to tweak the hell out of the device, rid it of bloat, block adds, not to mention the advantages of more regular updates and fixes.
Also if using custom ROM you're getting a ROM that has had many man/team hours spent on it rather than a ROM developed for a commercial mass production, theres a comment above that states "no ROM is worthy of flashing on S5 yet" well I'd like to ask you, how the hell do you know if you have'nt flashed anything yet?

I root my S5 first day and I didn't face any problem with Knox Can someone explain to me why Knox is problem ?
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Mohannad-K said:
I root my S5 first day and I didn't face any problem with Knox Can someone explain to me why Knox is problem ?
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Triggering knox will void your warranty without possibility to undo it.
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There are also certain features that may not function after tripping Knox. Additionally most companies won't let you BYOD after Knox trips. Unless they "forget" to check
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