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What troubles me these days is that a lot of new phones have such poor video recording capabilities. My years old Nokia 6233 can film VGA @ 15FPS. This was, for it's time quite amazing. Soon the Nokia N series followed with VGA @ 30FPS.
Last week Apple introduced the Iphone 3G S. One of it's key features is the capability to record video at VGA 30FPS. This was a biggy for everyone, but I thought: WTF! What's so amazing about this?
Both HTC Android phones can now also film. This however is in very poor quality. I checked spec's from various different phones and noticed both the G1 and Magic have relatively the same spec's as Iphone's, Nokia N series etc. I got me wondering... Why is the video recording quality so poor? Is this a software issue, or is the hardware simply just not capable enough? This last thing would really surprise me when I compare the Android phones with my years old, 2 megapixel, Nokia 6233.
I'm in the market to buy a new phone. I want Android, but I also want a decent video recording capability. My question: Will the HTC G1 or Magic ever get VGA @ 30FPS recording, or is it simply not possible?
This needs to be moved to the general section. This is NOT a development question.
A lot of those phones may have a dedicated built-in video processor that can keep up with the intense amount of processing required for video processing.
dont respond to the posting until it gets moves, people need to fing learn where to post.
I think my question actually is a development question since I'm wondering wetter this is hardware capability issues or software/programming. What better place to ask then the place were people make the software and (hopefully) have knowledge of the hardware there programming on?
Hmmm, i wonder what the Dream applications and games section is for..? Oh, for things like this that doesn't involve ROM building and/or hacks possibly. Move the thread please
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please post in the correct threads or your post may well end in the trash!
To finally answer your question:
There's different types of VGA @ 30 FPS. There's the "Hey, this is actually a movie" kind, and the "Hmm, what was that ? Why is it ghosting?" kind.
The camera in the G1 (and the iPhone 2G and 3G, not 3GS) is closer to the second kind. You could shoot 30 frames per second @ VGA resolution, but it would look like crap.
So if this is important to you, get another phone.
there should be a way you could do at least sharp non ghosted [email protected] or [email protected], i have no idea how open the camera is on this phone though. it would be nice to get it less shakey at a cost to resolution. like most webcams
Maybe this is not all too important, but I am very curious about the video quality this phone will record. One thing I have always sacrificed when buying htc (one of the first ones with qwerty, can't recall it's name, the tytn 2 and hero) is the picture and video quality. I am into htc and android for the android fun, not the multimedia, but this time I do not want to have a camera which shoots video and images poorer than a two year old Sony Ericsson or Nokia phone.
So, who is first one up to post, and how soon?
The Desire Z doesn't seem to be getting as much interest as the HD. I can find a video allegedly shot with the HD but nothing for the Z.
If this is anything to go by (and you have to assume that the HD would be the better quality of the two) I think we must resign ourselves to the fact that HTC are not at all hot in the camera / media department!
Shame ...
xspyda said:
The Desire Z doesn't seem to be getting as much interest as the HD. I can find a video allegedly shot with the HD but nothing for the Z.
If this is anything to go by (and you have to assume that the HD would be the better quality of the two) I think we must resign ourselves to the fact that HTC are not at all hot in the camera / media department!
Shame ...
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This is the reason my gadgets are an iPod touch 4G for media and HD recording, and browsing and phone is going to be a Desire HD
JupiterDroid said:
This is the reason my gadgets are an iPod touch 4G for media and HD recording, and browsing and phone is going to be a Desire HD
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Wow! Why would you pay in excess of £450 for just a phone!? I know the Desire HD does more but if you use your iPod Touch 4g for all that it's essentially just a phone, right?
HTC camera
xspyda said:
The Desire Z doesn't seem to be getting as much interest as the HD. I can find a video allegedly shot with the HD but nothing for the Z.
If this is anything to go by (and you have to assume that the HD would be the better quality of the two) I think we must resign ourselves to the fact that HTC are not at all hot in the camera / media department!
Shame ...
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It is more to Qualcomm than to HTC, since the image quality depends largely on the image processing hardware of Qualcomm chip, and they are not so strong in that department (Samsung and iPhone are doing better there).
shurilo said:
It is more to Qualcomm than to HTC, since the image quality depends largely on the image processing hardware of Qualcomm chip, and they are not so strong in that department (Samsung and iPhone are doing better there).
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I am sure this is true to an extent but surely HTC could invest in better quality sensors and consider the likes of Carl Zeiss optics or similar? This would make a MASSIVE difference and would rely less heavily on post image processing algorithms to achieve passable picture quality.
Got my chance at the HTC Business Afternoon today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq4TaeTQs10
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Got my chance at the HTC Business Afternoon today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq4TaeTQs10
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basically its ****
who knows said:
basically its ****
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Both the videos recorded from the HD and Z are only in 480p and that honestly does look poor.
I've seen some videos from the G2 in 720p that did look a lot sharper than this did.
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Both the videos recorded from the HD and Z are only in 480p and that honestly does look poor.
I've seen some videos from the G2 in 720p that did look a lot sharper than this did.
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true, but the g2 720p doesnt look no were near as good as to say galaxy s 720p also very blurry when moving the camera (from the videos ive seen from the g2)
does anyone know if this can be adjusted by software or is it just the hardware that is rubbish?
I actually just noticed the resolution my self. So stupid not to check the quality settings before starting to record.
i would love the desire z to have the quality audio/camera of galaxy s, im in two minds, buy this and put up with the rubbish audio quality/no so good camera or buy the galaxy s?
Have heard of people saying that the galaxy s isn't as good as htc, in terms of the senseui being really good... Also, do you want a hardware keyboard? Galaxy S doesn't have, and I know I wouldn't be able to live without the hardware keyboard...
Here is article on G2 camera:
http://pocketnow.com/android/exploring-the-t-mobile-g2s-camera-video
BTW. If U looking for good camera quality go for iP4, Nokia or SE. HTC does ****ty plastic camera.
I did this one on BART in SF. I didn't move around or anything, just a quick video playing with the G2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDpQz0qDVsc
Hi,
I am considering the Arc to be my next phone but I would like to know about its video capabilities. In nearly all HTC phones, when recording in low light conditions/at night, the camera tries to compensate the lack of light and this tends to make the video lose frames and to be really choppy. Does the Arc perform better and does it skips frames in bad lighting conditions?
Thanks!!
Videos are great on the Arc, I'd say better than on HTC.
Didn't test it on my Arc yet but in youtube are smooth videos from the Arc.
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Final5k said:
Hi,
I am considering the Arc to be my next phone but I would like to know about its video capabilities. In nearly all HTC phones, when recording in low light conditions/at night, the camera tries to compensate the lack of light and this tends to make the video lose frames and to be really choppy. Does the Arc perform better and does it skips frames in bad lighting conditions?
Thanks!!
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Most of HTC phones have really ****ty cameras, actually the worse on the market.
Don't even wonder. Arc is another planet.
best cam of HTC is at Sensation, and is one of the best on the market now... i think
HTC Sensation is a class lower compared to Xperia Arc - not only with regard to the camera.
Dualcore is not everything.
shtreber said:
best cam of HTC is at Sensation, and is one of the best on the market now... i think
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Even mobile-review proves different.
GSMArena has a comparison of the LG Optimus 2X, HTC Sensation and Samsung Galaxy S2 which also features various other handsets at different junctures.
When comparing still image and video capture, they also throw in the Arc for good measure.
Draw your own conclusions.
If u own 1 HTC, then you own all off em because they all look the same. That's why I bought the ARC.
I agree, HTC phones are one class lower than SonyEricsson in terms of build quality, design and phone technology.
By just comparing the phone battery technology, all their phones are still using Lithium Ion Battery while SonyEricsson's phone are using Lithium Polymer and everyone should know that there are more benefits for Lithium Polymer over Lithium Ion Batteries.
Hey thanks for all your replies. I think I'll have to try one at the shop to get a better idea on the device itself before deciding. Still, the camera seems to be the only thing that appeals to me - the screen is a bit small (I've own 4.3 hd2/desire hd and now a 5 inch dell streak). Will definitely have to play with it - still the Arc seems to be a very sexy phone!
Thanks all!
Some of these replies look quite fanboyish.. there's a reason HTC sells so many phones..more than SE atleast
Anyway, add me to the SE fanboy list Until I get bored of Timescape I will stick to SE
There are 2 simple reasons why htc have and still do sell more phones than SE....
1. They've been in the android business since the start..
2. Until now SE's android phones have been relatively poor, and therefore SE had a bad rep.
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I have a last question : If the zoom function is used while recording a video, does the camera automatically auto-focuses the video to make it clearer/sharper, or is the video blurry when zoom is used like in every phone model? Thanks!!
Final5k said:
I have a last question : If the zoom function is used while recording a video, does the camera automatically auto-focuses the video to make it clearer/sharper, or is the video blurry when zoom is used like in every phone model? Thanks!!
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When you're capturing videos, you can't zoom in
Hope this helps you
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When you're capturing videos, you can't zoom in
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Oh now i realised why all videos on youtube don't have any zoom on them. Thank you very much for the infos.
I've currently got an Xperia Arc and a HTC Desire S. The camera on the Arc is superior to that on the HTC as is video recording. I've actually been a bit shocked by how poor the HTC Desire S camera is for pictures although a friend with the new Sensation says that it has a great camera, he does however qualify that by going on to say it is great "for a HTC camera" which to me, says it all.
Maybe these thread can help you to decide.
Post Pictures Taken With The Xperia Arc - LT15i/a
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035589
Post Pictures Taken With Your Sensation
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131274
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ucubz said:
Maybe these thread can help you to decide.
Post Pictures Taken With The Xperia Arc - LT15i/a
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035589
Post Pictures Taken With Your Sensation
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131274
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wow.. there's no comparison! Sensation's camera is quite average...
Hi,
I have the HTC Desire Z and I would like to get a 2nd phone.
There are only 2 options for me: The Arc or the Desire S. I think both HTC and SE are top manufactures in terms of design and build quality, the rest are just iS**t clones
I like the Desire S because of the uni-body aluminum design, but I think The Arc is nicer. I am a little bit concerned about the quality of the plastic on the Arc's back, an also i don't like the size ( 3,7 seams ideal for me).
I don't care about the camera, but I'm sure SE's is much better.
Anyone could test the video stabilization, because I´m seeing a lot of video on youtube and the fps broke sometimes.
These are the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJPbW-v-Ik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPs5M93fhfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y75_J1zCO40&list=UUYAuOW09D5X2mD8vM4zslug&index=1
Even in the presentation the fps stucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLjBbK4rxAo
Sorry my English. I´m from Brazil
germanojose said:
Anyone could test the video stabilization, because I´m seeing a lot of video on youtube and the fps broke sometimes.
These are the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJPbW-v-Ik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPs5M93fhfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y75_J1zCO40&list=UUYAuOW09D5X2mD8vM4zslug&index=1
Even in the presentation the fps stucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLjBbK4rxAo
Sorry my English. I´m from Brazil
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Isnt recording in 1080p HDR only like 28fps? Maybe that's the problem.
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Isnt recording in 1080p HDR only like 28fps? Maybe that's the problem.
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That's not the problem. 28fps is plenty enough for smooth motion. The video recording just sucks in general on HTC phones. Even the official "two girls walking into sunlight and then turning back to smile" video is jerky and not completely smooth. HTC is claiming they have OIS, but I don't see any evidence of it at all. In fact, disregarding jerkiness, the video just really really sucks. The colors are completely off and overly red and gaudy. The motion of objects in the video have a nauseatingly awkward movement to them. The details and colors are all smeared looking and cartoonified. It doesn't look natural or real at all. All these issues are evident in the HTC One X, Sensation, Desire HD, etc. They are not unique to the HTC One. I've been *****ing about how terrible HTC's video recording is for years now, and even now in 2013 it's still the same old crap.
Guys it could be that its the demo unit..The retail unit might have everything fixed..Lets wait and watch.
added to the mega info thread!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38231188#post38231188
I think its a problem of build because i had a Desire HD and when I installed the rom from sabsa prime, the latest, the câmera is working without loosing fps and on Endeavoru I just changed the build.prop configuration and the issue minimized. I'll be waiting the custom rom to see this fix.
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katamari201 said:
That's not the problem. 28fps is plenty enough for smooth motion. The video recording just sucks in general on HTC phones. Even the official "two girls walking into sunlight and then turning back to smile" video is jerky and not completely smooth. HTC is claiming they have OIS, but I don't see any evidence of it at all. In fact, disregarding jerkiness, the video just really really sucks. The colors are completely off and overly red and gaudy. The motion of objects in the video have a nauseatingly awkward movement to them. The details and colors are all smeared looking and cartoonified. It doesn't look natural or real at all. All these issues are evident in the HTC One X, Sensation, Desire HD, etc. They are not unique to the HTC One. I've been *****ing about how terrible HTC's video recording is for years now, and even now in 2013 it's still the same old crap.
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Call me inept, but I would blame that on the Filmer, it isn't very noticeable to me. Looks roughly the same as other OEMs.
Another video, same problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weSY1tolEKA
Those vids could be early software design.
On my epic 4g touch I get crappy video with AOSP and great video with the stock rom. My AOSP vids look like these vids being posted which is simply due to un-optimized codecs for the processor.
I'm sure this wont be the case with the final builds.
HTC is claiming that the UltraPixel camera on the HTC One will be able to capture 300 percent more light than competitors. You can shoot 1080p HD videos, HDR videos and there's a single LED flash for even better low-light shooting.
^ Is it comparable to sony xperia z 13mp cam ?
bismeetsahoo said:
HTC is claiming that the UltraPixel camera on the HTC One will be able to capture 300 percent more light than competitors. You can shoot 1080p HD videos, HDR videos and there's a single LED flash for even better low-light shooting.
^ Is it comparable to sony xperia z 13mp cam ?
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The Speria pics look worse than my E4GT.
I've been in the camera bix for years and one thing is for sure, if you pack more dots into a smaller area the dots are then smaller. Less surface area means less light hits it and therefor less color spectrum capture and less light band capture. The reason SLR cameras can hit the higher pixels is due to the CCD size. The CCD is WAY bigger in the SLR than any cell phone so it can capture more color spectrum and more light bands.
I for one think that the camera in the HTC One will really stun people when they actually use it next to their old phone.
I have the same problem
I hope HTC focuses on an update. It took forever to get anything when I have the evo 4g
Every video or picture I've seen from the HTC One (especially the videos) have looked average to flat out bad.. Really hope this is just due to insufficient software optimization and will be corrected before release as right now it's not looking too good.
never trust HTC
Your marketing is bad and liar
New test sample, Fixed FPS, I think the others videos was with HDR ON.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6VZW6NUFY
In this Video go to 29.9~30FPS Static
rapha.194 said:
never trust HTC
Your marketing is bad and liar
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38326427
You're a Xperia Z spammer!
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ethan3686 said:
Guys it could be that its the demo unit..The retail unit might have everything fixed..Lets wait and watch.
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I've heard this liine a I've heard this line a million times, for dozens of phones I've followed through the years. Either from delusional people, from fanboys, or just simply ignorant people who don't follow this stuff closely. Images taken from the demo unit that's trotted out to the press when it is announced will not magically grow wings and transform into something else on the final product, especially when there's only a few weeks til launch. Even going from alpha stages, with the final camera hardware is decided, the difference is marginal. You really think they have to start from the ground up building software for the camera for every single new smartphone? Like a puppy who is blind at birth and it's eyes open after a few weeks? It is not only ridiculous, but it has never been true. SGS2, SGS3, Nokia Lumia 920, Pureview 808, HTC One X, Xperia Z, and every other smartphone ever, even going back to Sony and Nokia candybar phones with buttons.
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i've heard this liine a i've heard this line a million times, for dozens of phones i've followed through the years. Either from delusional people, from fanboys, or just simply ignorant people who don't follow this stuff closely. Images taken from the demo unit that's trotted out to the press when it is announced will not magically grow wings and transform into something else on the final product, especially when there's only a few weeks til launch. Even going from alpha stages, with the final camera hardware is decided, the difference is marginal. You really think they have to start from the ground up building software for the camera for every single new smartphone? Like a puppy who is blind at birth and it's eyes open after a few weeks? It is not only ridiculous, but it has never been true. Sgs2, sgs3, nokia lumia 920, pureview 808, htc one x, xperia z, and every other smartphone ever, even going back to sony and nokia candybar phones with buttons.
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HTC again disappoints me
Lost in comparative picture between Lumia 920
and now lost for the Iphone 5
http://asia.cnet.com/htc-one-vs-iphone-5-camera-shootout-62220556.htm
This camera can be better than Motorola Razr Hd ?
And I say more ....
Camera 13 MP's Xperia z NOT does better than IP5 and Galaxy S3!
They should make a mobile with 10 mm and put a bigger sensor a battery and a decent audio quality than that of those who make war USELESS phone thinner.
ethan3686 said:
Guys it could be that its the demo unit..The retail unit might have everything fixed..Lets wait and watch.
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Yea most likely. They probably slapped on some low quality parts to have some demo units available.
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Htc one again
I think for sure i will keep my order on the htc one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfqeuY_dWmE
Ouch...
S4 looks very bad (also, what's up with the color)? But the comments are even funnier - some people are really butthurt.
the comments are funny..
apart from that.. the video on the one looks excellent
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AW: HTC One vs. Samsung Galaxy S4 stabilization test
Brilliant device... Got the one for 5 days now and I'm really impressed! Just everything is gr8!
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The comments are funny, but my need to tell all these **** the facts is hard. I made this post for them:
"Ok people, read.
1. This video is posted by GSMArena. They don't post fake stuff.
2. GSMArena always gets devices early, it's been like this for years.
3. The S4 is not zoomed in, the HTC One has a wider lens, hence you see more.
4. The HTC One has OIS (Optical Image Stabilization), the S4 has only Digital Image Stabilization at best. That's something that also makes a big difference.
These are all facts. In video, the One wins. But photo's will surely look sharper on the S4."
They think it's fake & that the S4 is zoomed in... lol. :") The video on the One looks good, but it's more fun to see the S4 fans cry lol. And they should, at least based on this comparison.
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The comments are funny, but my need to tell all these **** the facts is hard. I made this post for them:
"Ok people, read.
1. This video is posted by GSMArena. They don't post fake stuff.
2. GSMArena always gets devices early, it's been like this for years.
3. The S4 is not zoomed in, the HTC One has a wider lens, hence you see more.
4. The HTC One has OIS (Optical Image Stabilization), the S4 has only Digital Image Stabilization at best. That's something that also makes a big difference.
These are all facts. In video, the One wins. But photo's will surely look sharper on the S4."
They think it's fake & that the S4 is zoomed in... lol. :") The video on the One looks good, but it's more fun to see the S4 fans cry lol. And they should, at least based on this comparison.
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Thats good news
Man, what a difference. I don't even think my s3 is that bad compared to the s4 or maybe just never realized it?
The One definitely takes the cake here.
Sent from a galaxy far away!
Well every day I feel better about having choose the One as my next phone
I find these camera reviews to be so subjective, I've seen the GS4 video on other sites and it looks better than the HTC One. Also the GS4 image stabilization was never that bad, maybe they have it turned off or something and have weird settings. You could tell they were moving the GS4 faster than the HTC One as well...
Like I said these comparisons are bull****.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x802Nfiz6Dg
Now the HTC One and GS4 are both in there somewhere...
We'll find out which phone is which at one stage.
What I have noticed however is cameras are rather subjective, there is no "best" camera.
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You could tell they were moving the GS4 faster than the HTC One as well...
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This was a side by side comparison.
They were moved at the exact same time at the exact same speed.
The lack of image stabilization ability the Galaxy S 4 portrayed in this video is what made it appear faster :beer:
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It's funny how the S4 forums here in XDA has a lot of vs HTC One threads. Looks like S4 is really threatened.
notsointeresting said:
This was a side by side comparison.
They were moved at the exact same time at the exact same speed.
The lack of image stabilization ability the Galaxy S 4 portrayed in this video is what made it appear faster :beer:
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Didn't Samsung say it had Image Stabilization? I thought I've seen this in several reports too, what's weird is they've said on that site that the GS4 has better low light performance and yet many other sites say otherwise.
I think it's all rather subjective atm to how people set up the settings, I mean if they were both on default it could explain why as my 808 by default has image stabilization off and produces horrible low light pictures and is only 5MP......
It's no good have stuff on default settings, you need to set the camera up to the situation and produce the best pictures the phone allows you.
I'm not buying either of these phones, I'm more inclined to go the HTC One cause it looks nicer, that said I'm not impressed by either of them.
Yeh in fact on the GS4's list of specs for the Camera...
Primary 13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Features Dual Shot, Simultaneous HD video and image recording, geo-tagging, touch focus, face and smile detection, image stabilization, HDR
marchitecto said:
It's funny how the S4 forums here in XDA has a lot of vs HTC One threads. Looks like S4 is really threatened.
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This is the HTC One forum and not the S4 forum
which one should i go for one or s4?? which is better???
tejkkarani said:
which one should i go for one or s4?? which is better???
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get both and return the less favored in 7 days. :good:
Clear winner from gsm arena battle: HTC One :good:
vegetaleb said:
Clear winner from gsm arena battle: HTC One :good:
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Yeah but the quality of that looks strange. My S III and Note II both had much better quality than that so I will not give the victory to the One just based on that When I get mine in my hands I will decide myself
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