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Galaxy tab hit by poor sales, production halved

It sounds like a bad news for us Samsung galaxy tab owner. Probably there will be
price reductions in the future.
http://www.devicemag.com/2010/11/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-hit-by-poor-sales-production-halved/

elnoxvie said:
It sounds like a bad news for us Samsung galaxy tab owner. Probably there will be
price reductions in the future.
http://www.devicemag.com/2010/11/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-hit-by-poor-sales-production-halved/
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If the carriers in the US allowed phone, I believe it would be selling quite well.

Just my .02, but i almost guarantee if the phone was functioning, sales would be awesome!! Either way, I love my two tabs, they are perfect in size, speed, and everything! Great device in all.
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That is from one analysts speculation. I'll believe it when I see multiple analyst with the same conclusion.

Just keep in mind that this "production halved" bull**** is coming from ONE source, an analyst named Ashok Kumar. He's not the most reliable of sources.
Here's a breakdown on his ****ed up predictions and analysis just up to last summer, and just about Apple:
http://daringfireball.net/2010/09/kumar_track_record

No evidence or references whatsoever are provided for this info.
Article says "Info suggests" and "an analyst suggests"...
Give me a break... until references and numbers are given... sounds like bs to moi.
I do agree that US sales would be up if it could be used as a phone tho.

xexes said:
No evidence or references whatsoever are provided for this info.
Article says "Info suggests" and "an analyst suggests"...
Give me a break... until references and numbers are given... sounds like bs to moi.
I do agree that US sales would be up if it could be used as a phone tho.
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I would personally think that he does make a little bit of sense on the pricing part. Despite the great features, performance and stability, the price is a too high compared to IPhone which is heavily subsidized when you signed up with some carriers. Not mine but i know most of the carriers don't subsidize much for this phone.

elnoxvie said:
It sounds like a bad news for us Samsung galaxy tab owner. Probably there will be
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How is that bad news for Samsung Tab owners???? I already have one and yes the price will drop but I knew that when I bought mine.... I wanted to enjoy it now and not wait to save a few bucks....
The price drops on everything and there is always a better device on the horizon...

Phone should have been working. Price? Can't blame them for attempting to match Apple, but think the advantages at coming a /bit/ lower would have outweighed the loss of profit per unit.
Least they can drop the price now/offer more features. If they'd have started low, as great as it would have been, if sales had been crazy off the wall, they'd never be able to raise the prices.
So...
Maybe, there's probably a bit of truth to it. If there's a whole load of bundling announced soon (which will be the first step, not dropping the price) it'll be telling.
We'll see.

Not selling well
Here in Thailand it is hard to get your hands on one as it seams the first batch has been sold out.

Hey guys,
i just got mine from Taipei last week, its sold out everwhere over there. I heard their next shipment from the distributors is by the end of the month.
I luckily got mine on the last day of my trip after 2 weeks of constant searching!
the Tab rocks!
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The Tab is selling just fine. They are launching it on 4 carriers.. and when AT&T launches next week it'll be on all 4. It's selling fine. Try and find one in stock at a Sprint store in the Bay Area - I dare you.

I was in a Swisscom shop yesterday here in Switzerland, and they mentioned that they can't get enough in Stock.

here in the philippines it is also almost out of stock very hard to find a shop with remaining stocks also

geogetski666 said:
here in the philippines it is also almost out of stock very hard to find a shop with remaining stocks also
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Oh ****.. Good to hear it's selling well in other countries and that the analyst is wrong. More sales = More development = More benefits for users..

oxeneers said:
The Tab is selling just fine. They are launching it on 4 carriers.. and when AT&T launches next week it'll be on all 4. It's selling fine. Try and find one in stock at a Sprint store in the Bay Area - I dare you.
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did you get the sprint version?

Can't seem to keep them in stock in Canada either. Article is FUD at best. Got mine and I love it.

plain and simple. People will or wont buy it. period.
I love analysts that try and "speculate" on sales forecasts on a device that just got released in a major market what...2 weeks ago?
Did i become impatient and pay the full price? hell ya. am i regretting it? hell no. This is the exact device I've been waiting for...I've played with a ton of different tablets including the original laptop - spin screen tablets...and this is hands down my favorite.
Pocket legends = wow....seriously? on a phone? its every bit as good as the original Everquest graphics were.
enough soap boxing....gonna go waste my day with PL now...as one of my favoritely mocked actors would say... "Shuck it Kumar...Shuck it loooong and hard!"

International version probably does better than North American but it should be no surprise to the carriers because potential customers having been voicing all along that:
International
Voice enabled
More competitive unlimited data plans
North American
No voice
Greedy tiered data plans
On top of that, the Tab's larger screen size is ideal for HD YouTube but there's no 4G on any NA version. I'm on Sprint and 3G buffers too much while watching HD Youtube.

looked at all the mobile manufacturer and nothing even compares to the screen size of the samsung will be released by the 1st quarter of 2011 and by far this is the dream phone i have been longing for a long time been speculating to buy an archos 70 and an android phone but the SGT really gives you the best of both worlds so enuff said this phone will definitely sell and it will have more developers working to port CFW definitely waiting for a cyanogen mod or even a Muiu would be nice

Upcoming Sumsung Phone on Verizon

I know some people have been turned off from the lack of updates from Samsung/Verizon or whatever. (I blame Bing)
Unlike other people, after owning the Fascinate.. I actually would love to buy another Samsung phone.
I can't give up the SAMOLED screen. I actually like the over-saturated colors. They give it a POP in comparison to other screens.
What's next.... Samsung Droid Charge... meh.... Not sure why this has no appeal to me? Anyone else feel the same?
However, the Galaxy S 2, I'm completely drooling over this phone....Anyone think the Galaxy S 2 would come to VZW - or the US... ?
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antcardi said:
I know some people have been turned off from the lack of updates from Samsung/Verizon or whatever. (I blame Bing)
Unlike other people, after owning the Fascinate.. I actually would love to buy another Samsung phone.
I can't give up the SAMOLED screen. I actually like the over-saturated colors. They give it a POP in comparison to other screens.
What's next.... Samsung Droid Charge... meh.... Not sure why this has no appeal to me? Anyone else feel the same?
However, the Galaxy S 2, I'm completely drooling over this phone....Anyone think the Galaxy S 2 would come to VZW - or the US... ?
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its already been found that the galaxy s 2 is coming to verizon in may
http://phandroid.com/2011/03/30/ver...droid-incredible-2-releases-slated-exclusive/
but yes, i want it

Phandroid just posted that it will be coming Q3 = September
Keep me Fascinated
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I just read that the new samsung droid charge will cost $299 w/2 year contract . Not gonna do it
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$299 WITH contract?!? The prices keep creeping higher and higher with a contract for new equipment. All it means is that I'll have to wait a little while longer (unfortunately). Prices always drop, new phones come, etc.

credit card = no contract lol, normally buy a phone then sell old to help make up difference, but sgs2 will be my next phone for sure. updates are not the selling factor for me the hardware is and I own a lot of sammy products and they have always been top-notch
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sorb3t said:
$299 WITH contract?!? The prices keep creeping higher and higher with a contract for new equipment. All it means is that I'll have to wait a little while longer (unfortunately). Prices always drop, new phones come, etc.
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There is always Certified Pre-Owned as well. This phone was an upgrade for me from the OG Droid 1 and it costed me 49 bucks. Best 50 I've ever spent. So hopefully by the time my contract expires I'm hoping CPO Galaxy S 2's will be available.
Tapatalked from my ComaVolted Fascinate running SC 2.9.2

Never Samsung again!
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bdube said:
its already been found that the galaxy s 2 is coming to verizon in may
http://phandroid.com/2011/03/30/ver...droid-incredible-2-releases-slated-exclusive/
but yes, i want it
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WHOA. I had no idea it was that close to release, I thought it would come out in September at the earliest. Geez, I wonder if I Verizon will let me trade in my Fascinate for it, and I just pay whatever difference there is. My phone sound quality sucks, the GPS is a mixed bag, and I can complain about them not pushing Froyo to their phone yet (yes, I do currently have a Froyo rom on my phone, but it's still a legitimate complaint since it's a leak I have running). I really really want the new Galaxy S II. Worst case scenario, I'll have to find some way of getting the money to purchase it for full-price off contract.

According to a leaked Verizon roadmap, the SGS2 may arrive as early as next month on Verizon(with LTE!):
"Verizon’s spring roadmap has 8 Android phones releasing in less than 60 days"

I am sorry, but that Road Map is fake (I hope I'm wrong). I would LOVE the S2 to come out next month... but... I'd look for it by the end of the summer. The only question is, will it be the actual S2, or an altered step child like the Fascinate to the Original Galaxy S?

We should make a list for upcoming non-Samsung phones.
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that sucks that it's going to be lte. I don't even have it in my area, and by then I'm guessing the price of data plans will have gone up for 4g phones
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I know I definitely plan on making the S2 my next phone. I'm with the OP in that I'm not at the least turned off by Samsung. I blame Verizon. I've been through this before with the OG Storm. Yes, Rim was responsible for some hardware issues but in the software realm, Verizon sucked in releasing timely firmware to fix software glitches. I had to rely upon the BB community in order to get my phone up to snuff. If Verizon didn't have such a large and reliable network, I'd leave them.
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I dont know why anyone would ever care about, let along buy a samsung phone after the BS with this one.

simple.because the hardware is top-notch.

I'll never buy a Samsung phone again, I don't care how good the hardware is.

Kaessa said:
I'll never buy a Samsung phone again, I don't care how good the hardware is.
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Same.
Btw, what's a Sumsung?

Kaessa said:
I'll never buy a Samsung phone again, I don't care how good the hardware is.
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I would be willing to buy another Samsung phone again if the hardware is good.

Kaessa said:
I'll never buy a Samsung phone again, I don't care how good the hardware is.
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Same... Apple here I come
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Galaxy SII sales 6 million!

Seems to be beyond my expectations.
How can the sale be so much without being released everywhere yet? (hint:US)
http://www.digitalversus.com/samsung-galaxy-ii-over-six-million-handsets-sold-news-20244.html
http://www.mobmit.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-iphones-imposing-rival-hits-6-million-sales/
What do you guys say? Cooked-up numbers or just inevitable success?

Because it is just the best phone ever.

WOW EPIC!!

Android App: A Free Performance Test For Your Handset
digtalversus.com do a performance test, you can get it on market, look up "vellamo" and download and try, my score was 938 on my sg2, just behind the samsung 10.1 tab

I'm doing my part... Just bought myself one of these bad boys ;-)

This kinda sucks lol
who wanna have a phone, wich almost everyone else has? c'mon i wanna be something 'special'... it's kinda like the iph*** almost EVERYONE has it, that sucks, lol i think i'm gonna sell my GS2 now lol

I've seen SGS2 prices drop by almost 20% starting from May and original SGS seems to sell good aswell.

jebus
That's ridiculous considering the fact that US hasn't seen their share of SGSII
Now we know why apple is trying to speed up the litigation process to get it banned

Sorrow1994 said:
This kinda sucks lol
who wanna have a phone, wich almost everyone else has?
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I know you are not being entirely serious but lots of people also means lots of support and development, so yeah, I do like it and actually haven't seen a lot of people walking around with it yet. Did get some comments about my phone being more bad ass than a laptop

ph00ny said:
Now we know why apple is trying to speed up the litigation process to get it banned
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I would not be surprised if Apple abandons the charges against Samsung after the new iPhone model is introduced in the US. The "game" is to stall SGS2 sales and keep the numbers down

nice that a phone finally is available in europe before the us ... considering how much of the innovation came from here

ph00ny said:
jebus
That's ridiculous considering the fact that US hasn't seen their share of SGSII
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So you think that 5% of the world population will do a huge difference for the sales of SGS2? Sure US is richer that he average country, so it might count for even 10 or 15% of the sales in the end but probably not more than that.

rd_nest said:
Seems to be beyond my expectations.
How can the sale be so much without being released everywhere yet? (hint:US)
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US aint the biggest consumer of mobile phone, they are even outranked by Asia and Europe, I read an article about mobile phone sales and IIRC, US was just ranked at 5th or 6th.

EarlZ said:
US aint the biggest consumer of mobile phone, they are even outranked by Asia and Europe, I read an article about mobile phone sales and IIRC, US was just ranked at 5th or 6th.
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Quite possible. I saw somewhere (no source to quote) China Telecom itself has arond 600million suscribers. That's more than the population of any country bar India/China.
If you conquer Europe and Asia, I believe the company would be more than satisfied with their result.

Looks like they're well on their way to hit 10 million units sold by years end. Best selling Android phone two years in a row. Way to go Samsung!
Approximately 2 million of the 12+ million SGS 1's sold were from North America, it didn't sell that well in the United States. I predict 3-4 million SGS 2's will sell in the United States before the end of the year, if the carriers don't **** it up.
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hansonator said:
Looks like they're well on their way to hit 10 million units sold by years end. Best selling Android phone two years in a row. Way to go Samsung!
Approximately 2 million of the 12+ million SGS 1's sold were from North America, it didn't sell that well in the United States. I predict 3-4 million SGS 2's will sell in the United States before the end of the year, if the carriers don't **** it up.
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I have no authority in this subject, but I am sure that they will fcuk up the device royally. Already seen that Sprint has a different design. All rumurs point to AT&T having a different physical design/layout. Why do you have all these different versions? Surely something will miss the intended target and you will notice GPS not working or Wifi reception poor or some other piss poor performance. Just let it be like internation versions, and everything (well most things) will be in order.

Impressive.
I think Apple are in a bit of trouble, they will have to compete with the SGS2 with the iPhone 5 which with the A5 they can easily do but within 6 months or probably allot sooner they will also be up against SGS3 and Tegra 3 devices.
I just hope Samsung launch products in the US earlier next time and give Apple a real headache.

rd_nest said:
Seems to be beyond my expectations.
How can the sale be so much without being released everywhere yet? (hint:US)
http://www.digitalversus.com/samsung-galaxy-ii-over-six-million-handsets-sold-news-20244.html
http://www.mobmit.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-iphones-imposing-rival-hits-6-million-sales/
What do you guys say? Cooked-up numbers or just inevitable success?
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its been release in europe since june
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Poker gypsy said:
its been release in europe since june
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end of april in UK and Korea, in May in many countries in europe

Elar said:
I would not be surprised if Apple abandons the charges against Samsung after the new iPhone model is introduced in the US. The "game" is to stall SGS2 sales and keep the numbers down
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Exactly. And they will NOT succeed.. End of.

Deprecation

Im going to go on a 24 month contract, looking at S3 or maybe the One X. What I'm worried about though is I bought my current Sensation XE SIM free for £450, about 6 months ago and now they are selling for about £200-250 I think.
Will the S3 keep its value better? How did the S2 hold value? New to Android, had iPhones before which Sid hold value well I thought
Cheers

The second buy a smartphone it is basically worth half what you paid for it. Fact of life. Doesnt really matter what you buy.
If you happen to buy something good though it will maintain that value for a year probably.
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Expect the S3 to quickly lose value after autumn where superior devices will be released... Performance wise this device is sadly not as future proof as the S2 was at its release.

hefonthefjords said:
The second buy a smartphone it is basically worth half what you paid for it. Fact of life. Doesnt really matter what you buy.
If you happen to buy something good though it will maintain that value for a year probably.
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Except for an iphone.
Depending on how you got it, it actually rauses in price.
$1 gets you a reply

Certain phones are more desirable than others and therefore hold their value well on ebay and such.
GS2 is still one of the more desirable ones and can be sold for £250+ on ebay or recycled for £230. (after around 18 months)
Personally I reckon the GS3 will be just as popular and will hold its resale value well.
Obviously it's not in the iphone levels, but normal consumers know the galaxy s brand and it will probably stay in relatively high demand until the GS4
I see the HTC One X selling for £300 BNIB on ebay.. Although it's an excellent phone, I don't think it will be as lucky as the GS3

only apple products keep their market value because of the fact that apple uses price fixing tactics.

Yeh Apple do keep better price, I don't think I'll buy another or brand new again unless part of a contract as looks like I'm going to lost about £225, 50% after 6months

Sad fact
It is actually a sad fact to see the Galaxy S series loses value more than the iPhone series, simply because I think that Galaxy is so much better in terms of flexibility and "mod-ibility".

Apple products hold their value better because there are alot of idiots with more money than sense.

AndreiLux said:
Expect the S3 to quickly lose value after autumn where superior devices will be released... Performance wise this device is sadly not as future proof as the S2 was at its release.
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Not necessarily true, the SGSII hasn't lost a lot of it's value just look online therefore i doubt the GS3 will

Depreciation.
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Kailkti said:
Except for an iphone.
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hboos said:
Certain phones are more desirable than others and therefore hold their value well on ebay and such.
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Slight correction: phones with less competition better maintain their price (because there are fewer alternatives). The moment that viable competitors come out, the price will drop.
The iPhone is sufficiently differentiated, through brand alone, that many consumers are willing to consider it apart from all the competition. And Apple is smart enough to limit competition with itself by only releasing once in a gray moon. (Also by suing the hell out of everyone who has the audacity to release a rectangular phone.) So there you go.
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Yeh Apple do keep better price, I don't think I'll buy another or brand new again unless part of a contract as looks like I'm going to lost about £225, 50% after 6months
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You could be on the receiving end of this trend if you want; just wait a few months and you can buy it for hella cheap. It's sort of a gamble though; the Galaxy S2 held up price pretty well (it's differentiation was probably beat only by the iPhone or the Note), and it remains to see whether the S3 can do the same.

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Depreciation.
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Or... defecation.

thebobp said:
Slight correction: phones with less competition better maintain their price (because there are fewer alternatives). The moment that viable competitors come out, the price will drop.
The iPhone is sufficiently differentiated, through brand alone, that many consumers are willing to consider it apart from all the competition. And Apple is smart enough to limit competition with itself by only releasing once in a gray moon. (Also by suing the hell out of everyone who has the audacity to release a rectangular phone.) So there you go.
You could be on the receiving end of this trend if you want; just wait a few months and you can buy it for hella cheap. It's sort of a gamble though; the Galaxy S2 held up price pretty well (it's differentiation was probably beat only by the iPhone or the Note), and it remains to see whether the S3 can do the same.
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Fair enough but I would suggest that the Galaxy S series has reached some level of brand recognition..so that when lay consumers (rather than us tech geeks) think of the best phones available, they think first of the iphone and then of the galaxy S series.
I reckon that after the initial depreciation (from selling second hand), the GS3 will hold its value well until the next GS phone..
Or at least I hope it will because I'll be getting a GS3 once it comes out!

The Galaxy S II was so good because it was better then every other phone on the market, the Galaxy S III is just a bit better, or at least on par with other phones now.

What other phone is faster than the SG3? What other phone dose what the SG3 dose?
Anyhow the SG2 is still selling for loads and even phone recycle places pay over £200

50% drop?
Then that means it is down more than 50%

juDGEY2k10 said:
What other phone is faster than the SG3? What other phone dose what the SG3 dose?
Anyhow the SG2 is still selling for loads and even phone recycle places pay over £200
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Not right now, but just wait and see. Even the dualcore S4 Krait matches its speed on certain tests, there will be more ARM's A15 chips coming in near the future.
That is not to say its a bad phone, but it's not a major leap like the SII was. The price is already a give away imo, $700 after VAT, so before that its cheaper. The Nexus and Note was $800 when they were released. I think that's simply a good thing though since phones were getting too expensive. We have the OneX at $600, S3 at $700, Nexus at $400. I think its positive for consumers, could be $50 lower still.
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Depreciation.
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When I saw the title I was wondering what's being condemned.

A good chance for HTC following S4 pricing

Hi guys
I think like quite a lot of buyers I was originally deciding between the HTC One and the Samsung Galaxy S4. They're both great phones in their own different ways, but after the delays and other setbacks for HTC, I was worried that the One might get sidelined like the One X last year.
Anyway, having just seen the Galaxy S4 prices (around 580 pounds), I think there's a small ray of hope for HTC. Although it's still expensive, the 32G One offers great value for money. Hopefully this will give consumers something to consider before they rush out and buy the S4.
Of course I don't doubt the S4 will still sell like hotcakes, but at least in these early weeks and months HTC will be able to offer (in my opinion) a better price/performance ratio versus the 16G Snapdragon S4 variant. I hope HTC can capitalise on this opportunity.
P.S. I don't intend this as flamebait, so moderators please feel free to lock or delete this thread if it gets out of hand. I just thought it's nice for HTC to have some good news for a change

There's no news here. :/

Dharkan said:
There's no news here. :/
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Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead, I just thought the competition's higher prices will help to give HTC and the One a little more breathing room.

I really hope HTC push a really good marketing campaign for this phone, it really does deserve it. I still see so many posts on fbook with people asking "S4 or iphone5 which should i buy" everytime i mention the HTC One and its as if no ones ever heard of HTC before...
- Adam

Misleading thread title: please change it.

Along with this it seems HTC are actually trying to push some marketing out....(There's a thread somewhere about it in here) In the UK there's TV adverts showing up pretty regularly. Which I'm pretty sure I've not seen from HTC before. Really hope things go well for them this year!

Marketing
The War Horse said:
Along with this it seems HTC are actually trying to push some marketing out....(There's a thread somewhere about it in here) In the UK there's TV adverts showing up pretty regularly. Which I'm pretty sure I've not seen from HTC before. Really hope things go well for them this year!
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If HTC spends a lot this time in marketing this beautiful phone they could really benefit. The old saying, "It takes money to make money" is so true for them.
You want to know why Samsung is the #1 best selling phone in the world? They spend the most marketing dollars than anyone in the business to be there.

Re: Some good news for HTC
No matter how much we fans of the HTC One want it to succeed and do better than the s4, it won't happen.
Samsung is a beast on marketing and it will kill the sales of the HTC one, especially here in the states due to the delay and basically coming out at the same time as the s4.
Just how it will be, its inevitable.
Also here in the states on T-Mobile, they both will be 99$ down payment and believe 580 total. So no difference in price.
Its unfortunate, but a reality.
With that said, more than likely I will be getting an HTC One, if I can keep holding out. Really like the Note 2 as well.
Sent from a galaxy far away!

For the US, AT&T just announced that the S4 will be $250 w/ 2 yr contract - if HTC can keep theirs down at $200 that may help HTC quite a bit.

Dazrin said:
For the US, AT&T just announced that the S4 will be $250 w/ 2 yr contract - if HTC can keep theirs down at $200 that may help HTC quite a bit.
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Sprint's pricing will more than likely be at $199, and T-Mobile has already confirmed it's availability of the 32GB model at $99. AT&T will follow suit from either of those. As far as pricing, HTC does have a good chance to make a difference here.

Dazrin said:
For the US, AT&T just announced that the S4 will be $250 w/ 2 yr contract - if HTC can keep theirs down at $200 that may help HTC quite a bit.
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Yep, after reading the GSM Arena comparison yesterday, I have been starting to lean a little towards buying the Samsung. If Sprint has the One $50 cheaper and I can get another $100 on an HTC buyback, that would almost certainly be enough to get me to stay with the One.

Funny thing about the GSMArena S4 review though - in the comparison they said that the S4 has a better audio output than the One, but whereas in the One's review they've published their standard audio frequency test, in the S4's review it was surprisingly no where to be found, nor even mentioned.
Biased?