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Hello Cousins! I am creating a new thread for the official PalmDroid project. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, keep this new thread for only dev news and progress. We have created a new thread for three reasons. First off, the project starter roto-rooter, has been inactive for a while. Also, there hasn't been much ACTUAL dev news in the last thread. Finally, we feel like we would get more notoriety in this section than in the WebOS section.
After speaking with some of you it has become readily apparent that while many people are comfortable waiting for a full android release for the HP Touchpad, there are also quite a few people out there that do not want to switch to a full android OS but simply wish they could have access to the vast app collection that android has to offer.
For these people I offer a solution.
Palmdroid
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The Palmdroid project is going to be an ongoing development project to bring a Dalvik like port to the Palm/HP WebOS operating system.
The goals of this project are as follows:
1) to offer a Dalvik port to WebOS that allows for android app emulation as if they were native WebOS apps much like Alien Dalvik on the nokia n900 or the app emulator of the blackberry playbook
2) Share useful information throughout development with the Touchdroid team as to help them reach their end goals and avoid conflicting and overlapping work as well as to foster collaboration and new ideas to speed the project along.
3)If possible (either worked into the project from the start or through later additions) provide the emulator as a download through the WebOS homebrew App catalog.
Now with the goals outlined I'll move on to how this is going to get going and what needs to happen next.
1) First and foremost... I need volunteer developers. If you have experience with Dalvik, WebOS development, Android development, UI development, C++, Java, Etc. I would like you to PM me with details regarding what you can help with. I have some java and C++ experience as well as a ton of web dev and project management experience but with alot of this I am learning as I go and if this is going to get done with any sort of speed I NEED your help.
2) I will be setting up communication channels for the dev team to discuss what needs to be done, share work, etc.
3) I will be setting up a web page (an extension off of my own since I can't finance purchasing another hosting account or domain name right now) where there will be regular updates on the status of the project as well as a section for the dev team as a repository for project related research, source code bits, group status reports etc.
Until the aforementioned steps are met this thread will be used to offer info, updates, and discussion related to development of Palmdroid.
I hope to have the support of the community here as we move ahead... i know I am new around here but I am very passionate about making this happen.
WebOS is a great operating system... and Android has some amazing apps... won't it be an amazing world when you can have both!
The Team (so far):
Developers: SpencerElliott, cyrux004, pullathomas, Childofthehorn
Idea Creators: Roto-rooter, FAILHARD
Palmdroid Coming Soon
I've been able to compile dalvikvm using the PDK toolchain but I still feel like all of the shared libraries (libdvm, libssl, etc) will need to be compiled using Palm's toolchain just to be safe. When I try to run dalvikvm on the device, I get a segmentation fault and I can't trace it back.
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Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x2aab64c4 in _dl_relocate_object () from /lib/ld-linux.so.3
Progress is (slowly) being made though. Once dalvikvm isn't crashing, it should print out
Code:
Dalvik VM init failed (check log file)
And that means it's ready to accept bytecode (just needs to be configured first)
SEPT 15 UPDATE: Not much happened since the last update but I'm narrowing down what I believe are the issues with the segmentation fault.
So I'm going back and compiling the different libraries needed for Dalvik (libssl, libz, libdvm, libdex, etc.) using the Palm PDK libraries. So far I have libdex compiling and I've been able to create a static library from it, so one of them down, a bunch to go.
I haven't pushed any of the code just yet because the folders are a mess right now and it isn't exactly usable but I should hopefully have some more libraries compiling before the weekend
SpencerElliott said:
So I'm going back and compiling the different libraries needed for Dalvik (libssl, libz, libdvm, libdex, etc.) using the Palm PDK libraries. So far I have libdex compiling and I've been able to create a static library from it, so one of them down, a bunch to go.
I haven't pushed any of the code just yet because the folders are a mess right now and it isn't exactly usable but I should hopefully have some more libraries compiling before the weekend
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Just wondering, what training did you need to acquire the knowledge you have in order to do this kind of work? Is it mostly self taught/hobby, or is there some course that can bring me to the basics for what I need know?
Deltido said:
Just wondering, what training did you need to acquire the knowledge you have in order to do this kind of work? Is it mostly self taught/hobby, or is there some course that can bring me to the basics for what I need know?
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It's kind of a mixture of experimenting, my computer science major and being a huge Android fanboy I'd say that if you know how the Android platform runs on devices and all the underlying systems that run it you should be good to start looking at the source code.
Unfortunately, kernel.org is down right now so you'd have to find the source somewhere else but any help I could get with the project would be appreciated
SpencerElliott said:
It's kind of a mixture of experimenting, my computer science major and being a huge Android fanboy I'd say that if you know how the Android platform runs on devices and all the underlying systems that run it you should be good to start looking at the source code.
Unfortunately, kernel.org is down right now so you'd have to find the source somewhere else but any help I could get with the project would be appreciated
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I started working on something similar for Bada just out of curiosity, But I'm struggleing with it as the Bada SDK is only available on windows and the Android sources can not be compiled under windows... Catch 22... I installed cygwin and set it to use the Bada SDK's gcc and things and installed the Java SDK on windows to have javac but I still has problems...
SpencerElliott said:
It's kind of a mixture of experimenting, my computer science major and being a huge Android fanboy I'd say that if you know how the Android platform runs on devices and all the underlying systems that run it you should be good to start looking at the source code.
Unfortunately, kernel.org is down right now so you'd have to find the source somewhere else but any help I could get with the project would be appreciated
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Android source was all ported to github for now.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...ty-with/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
webos apparently soon!
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So, I'm starting to wonder if this project is still as feasible as it once was since OpenMobile is working on the very same idea but with more backing and a platform to stand under as of now.
I will continue to work on the project as much as I can if people would still like to see Palmdroid, but it seems moot to create two of the same product :S
SpencerElliott said:
So, I'm starting to wonder if this project is still as feasible as it once was since OpenMobile is working on the very same idea but with more backing and a platform to stand under as of now.
I will continue to work on the project as much as I can if people would still like to see Palmdroid, but it seems moot to create two of the same product :S
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go for it. Openmobile won't be releasing to end users...
Dude, you have to keep going. If I even had the slightest idea of what was involved in programming I would help.
Same here I'm rooting for u lol i wish I could help program but i know i can test the hell outta it i have a background in QA testing and bug fixing and reporting
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Yea, same here. I'm really stocked to see this project through to the very end! ;D
keep at it! I wish we could get you some help, I would except I havn't the slightest idea on how to program. I can however donate if/when the time comes, as i'm sure this is quite time consuming. Good luck with it and i'm sure that when you crack it you'll make lots of people very happy.
guys.. join #PalmDroid on irc.freenode.net
SpencerElliott is there, show some support and if ur a dev stop by and ask what can you help with ... it will be appreciated by all the people waiting for this project to succeed..
thank you..
You guys need a git repo or gitorious code base for management? I run a few boxes with lots of spare space to help various projects out, including hosting mirrors for bandwidth. I'm willing to support this project.
Also - a little unrelated; does anyone know of an effort to support Apple iOS apps on Android? I vaguely remember there being something for that but I cannot find it anymore. I really want to play the Ascension game but it has only been released for Apple on iOS. Was hoping there was a port/vm someplace.
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Also - a little unrelated; does anyone know of an effort to support Apple iOS apps on Android? I vaguely remember there being something for that but I cannot find it anymore. I really want to play the Ascension game but it has only been released for Apple on iOS. Was hoping there was a port/vm someplace.
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You are thinking on iemu? HERE is the link. It is still a WIP with no release yet.
here is a link to our chatroom for this project.. still new.. so not alot of people there so join and show support
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=PalmDroid&uio=OT10cnVlJjExPTE4NSYxMj10cnVl20
I don't know how to program at all, but I have been a webOS and android user for a while now and have fooled around with Linux.
I would love to see this project complete. I don't know how I can help.
I do have a very powerful PC so if you ever need processing power I can help.
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You are thinking on iemu? HERE is the link. It is still a WIP with no release yet.
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An option I'm sure... A running VM with iOS certainly would fit the bill. Ultimately I was hoping of something more like 'here's an emulator to run iOS apps on Android' sort of thing; being that I have that wonderful TouchPad that will eventually have Android installed. Something similar would be PalmDroid in the fashion that Dalvik/Android apps will run on WebOS.
Thanks, I'll take a look into the project and freenode room.
Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?
This is a desktop oriented OS... Sure, it WORKS on some Tablet PCs.. Not many and really, who has them?
This is a hacking/developing/home-brew community. Microsoft runs services for consumers, not developers. Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor.
XDA (Cross-Digital Assistant) is for Cellular Digital Assistants and and Personal Digital Assistants. Windows 8 is neither. It supports concepts from Windows Phone 7, but we would not have a iOS forum and we would not have a Kubuntu forum.
I vote the forum be removed. I also vote that XDA stop selling out.
Reserved so the first post won't be a microsoft consumer representative posing as a user.
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Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor
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Interesting idea. Let me inform you sir, that this forum has always been Windows Mobile centric since and/or from it's foundation (Hopefully I'm not mistaken). Then along came Android and things got.. Well let's say complicated.
The "free" approach that Google has installed in all of you, has created a whole bunch whiners and trolls who feel entitled that everything should be given to them without any sacrifice from the user. Not like this was any different when it was Windows Mobile only, but we had our secluded spot.
I do not care for Android but everyone should have their own space, understood?
OR
Technology changes faster than the blink of an eye, and if you are reluctant to change, you are in the wrong forum.
Believe me, XDA for me used to be one of those "secret-spots" I'd come to have a nice read and communicate with new and old members alike.
Ever since Android has been introduced to XDA, things have gotten more intense, like debates among who's OS is better or not (Even in Non-Android forums)... something that I may not care but YET I respect others wishes.
Needless to say, I hope you revise your post and be MINDFUL OF OTHERS who will have a need for this forum.
If you do not wish to remain here for a meaningful discussion "On-Topic" mind you, then go back to your Android thread where you belong then.
Thank you and have a nice day. Sometimes it's nice to see things from another perspective, try it once in a while.
I don't get how it can annoy you in any way possible? Just ignore it and you'll be fine. And who knows we could use this to find stuff about which tablets it ports to etc. So IMO it's kinda needed.
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Do you see a Donut, Froyo, Gingerbread or IceCream Sandwich forums here?
Windows has been fundamentally the same since NT. They've partially implemented security permissions and have yet to keep up with the level of Linux in that department. Because of additional convolution, they could have a Windows7/8 forum in addition to the Windows CE forum (which mobile fits into).
There's no call to have a windows 7 and 8 forum at all. Having a new forum for that is like having a new forum for each manufacturer's UI implementation. There's nothing revolutionary about the 8 interface. It's simply hiding the default Windows interface and it's a merge of the Windows7 phone interface into the desktop.
Windows needs to do a total revamp, starting with NTFS. The Filesystem is garbage. It hinders use and development. I know because I have developed Windows applications. Modularisation is the key to a good operating system. Never in my life have I considered a partial implementation of permissions (Windows 7 and vista), nor a Skinned UI(Windows 8), nor merging of a mobile and a desktop platform into a single interface (Windows 8), worthy of an entire forum.
Windows CE variants, and Windows Vista variants... Sure. Windows 8 is not XDA material. It's not a digital assitant like WP7, and it's not a phone. Howabout a Windows forum with Arm and x86 categories?
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"Do you see a Donut, Froyo, Gingerbread or IceCream Sandwich forums here?"
"Windows has been fundamentally the same since NT. They've partially implemented security permissions and have yet to keep up with the level of Linux in that department"
"Windows needs to do a total revamp, starting with NTFS. The Filesystem is garbage. It hinders use and development. I know because I have developed Windows applications"
"Modularisation is the key to a good operating system. Never in my life have I considered a partial implementation of permissions (Windows 7 and vista), nor a Skinned UI(Windows 8), nor merging of a mobile and a desktop platform into a single interface (Windows 8), worthy of an entire forum"
"Windows CE variants, and Windows Vista variants... Sure. Windows 8 is not XDA material. It's not a digital assitant like WP7, and it's not a phone"
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Dude, leave the fanboyism aside. All the above are not facts, but YOUR opinion and YOUR opinion ALONE.
This is exactly the same thing I was talking about. You obviously have no interest on a Windows forum.
YET you are here trolling because YOU do not agree with it, so therefore NO ONE ELSE can have it??
Should I complain to XDA (i.e) Because Google has privacy issues AND violates them on a constant basis, so therefore we shouldn't have Android? NO, simply NO.
These are opinions and not facts.
XDA is set up in this place to CONTRIBUTE and DISCUSS material ON TOPIC of the above mentioned forum, not to spew hatred because you simply do not agree with.
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Dude, leave the fanboyism aside. All the above are not facts, but YOUR opinion and YOUR opinion ALONE.
This is exactly the same thing I was talking about. You obviously have no interest on a Windows forum.
YET you are here trolling because YOU do not agree with it, so therefore NO ONE ELSE can have it??
Should I complain to XDA (i.e) Because Google has privacy issues AND violates them on a constant basis, so therefore we shouldn't have Android? NO, simply NO.
These are opinions and not facts.
XDA is set up in this place to CONTRIBUTE and DISCUSS material ON TOPIC of the above mentioned forum, not to spew hatred because you simply do not agree with.
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No sir, you are exhibiting fanboyism. If you've ever tried to program cross-platform then you will realize how convoluted and screwed up Windows methods are.
Hardware abstractions requiring proprietary drivers hinder development
Interfacing devices requires implementations of $10,000 signatures from Microsoft
Utilizing user granted elevated permissions requires 30 additional steps to a program
Tools which assist with elevation of permissions are considered "Malware"
Installation of applications requires access to a unorganized "database" called the registry
Utilizing pieces of equipment which you have purchased in a different way is entirely too convoluted to even consider for any sort of software distribution.
Microsoft's provided generic drivers are buggy, so you can test and pay to sign if you're serious.
If you'd like links to any of the above, I'll show you in code, or examples I've dealt with in the last few months. Why do you deal with them? Because you're told by the mass market that it's what you want. It came on your computer. You learned it.
These are normal every-day life for you when you run Windows. Learn Linux and you will not have these problems. You will soon learn that they are *IN FACT* problems. They require several work-arounds and cash in order to utilize your creative freedoms as a developer.
You say opinion, I throw the gauntlet sir.
Well, I'm not bigger Linux fan than Windows, I use Windows for everyday. But really, Windows 8 is not available for ARM, and we don't know for sure if it will ever be, and when. So I see no point on making 2 boards for Beta release of some system.
I don't see boards for Fedora, Ubuntu, RedHat, Knoppix. Most of them are more available for XDA devices than Win8 (more is not appropriate word here, as its like dividing 1 by 0 for now)
I see no place for Win8 boards on XDA Developers for now, while it has got nothing to do with portable devices but some press notes.
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No sir, you are exhibiting fanboyism. If you've ever tried to program cross-platform then you will realize how convoluted and screwed up Windows methods are.
Hardware abstractions requiring proprietary drivers hinder development
Interfacing devices requires implementations of $10,000 signatures from Microsoft
Utilizing user granted elevated permissions requires 30 additional steps to a program
Tools which assist with elevation of permissions are considered "Malware"
Installation of applications requires access to a unorganized "database" called the registry
Utilizing pieces of equipment which you have purchased in a different way is entirely too convoluted to even consider for any sort of software distribution.
Microsoft's provided generic drivers are buggy, so you can test and pay to sign if you're serious.
If you'd like links to any of the above, I'll show you in code, or examples I've dealt with in the last few months. Why do you deal with them? Because you're told by the mass market that it's what you want. It came on your computer. You learned it.
These are normal every-day life for you when you run Windows. Learn Linux and you will not have these problems. You will soon learn that they are *IN FACT* problems. They require several work-arounds and cash in order to utilize your creative freedoms as a developer.
You say opinion, I throw the gauntlet sir.
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Adam, I have read your post in it's entirety and I have to say that even if these issues are preventing development, you came into this forum and I quote: ("Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor" "Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?").
Do you really think that this is are reasons enough to have it your way? Would you be happy if I went and trashed the Android forums just for the fun of it? If you would have posted this in the Android forums, you would have not heard from me at all. The issue at hand, that I see.. Os that you come into this forum insulting XDA and the future users of this forum and then say, this shouldn't be here at all.
Your complaints cannot be fixed in this forum at all, because XDA was designed to find tweaks and even hacks etc to make our OS better and responsive. Are you so mad that you are willing to deny the chance to other users because of your own jealousy and hatred for such a corporation?
Learn to share and let others live as they see fit. If Windows works for them, then it does, period. Or would you rather have them all move to chromium and/or Google products? That's very kind of you but users do not need to be berated for choosing as such. This is more on the lines of fanboyism. I said it before.
Would you be okay if I do the same on the Android forums?
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Adam, I have read your post in it's entirety and I have to say that even if these issues are preventing development, you came into this forum and I quote: ("Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor" "Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?").
Do you really think that this is are reasons enough to have it your way? Would you be happy if I went and trashed the Android forums just for the fun of it? If you would have posted this in the Android forums, you would have not heard from me at all. The issue at hand, that I see.. Os that you come into this forum insulting XDA and the future users of this forum and then say, this shouldn't be here at all.
Your complaints cannot be fixed in this forum at all, because XDA was designed to find tweaks and even hacks etc to make our OS better and responsive. Are you so mad that you are willing to deny the chance to other users because of your own jealousy and hatred for such a corporation?
Learn to share and let others live as they see fit. If Windows works for them, then it does, period. Or would you rather have them all move to chromium and/or Google products? That's very kind of you but users do not need to be berated for choosing as such. This is more on the lines of fanboyism. I said it before.
Would you be okay if I do the same on the Android forums?
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XDA was designed for PDA and CDA devices.. Not desktop operating systems. Anything designed in Windows 8 will have to be redesigned for any sort of XDA device. It's a desktop operating system, not a XDA operating system. This was stated upon release of Windows 8 developer preview.
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AdamOutler said:
XDA was designed for PDA and CDA devices.. Not desktop operating systems. Anything designed in Windows 8 will have to be redesigned for any sort of XDA device. It's a desktop operating system, not a XDA operating system. This was stated upon release of Windows 8 developer preview.
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This should have been your first post instead. I do not disagree whether the forum should exist here or not, but rather the manner you come in busting doors left and right only to proclaim Android as king of these forums and who knows what.
I understand your motives and why you feel as you do. I do not take that away from you, neither it's my intention. Its just that everyone has the right to have something, and if Linux was to be added tomorrow, I'd be happier for those who will make the most of it. Even if unrelated as it may be.
I only want to convey the message that one-sided approaches will get alot of people offended. That is all I want you to see.
I respect your opinion, and I feel you bring up a good point. I wish I could help to make that situation better but unfortunately I do not have such knowledge.
But this forum is my home now, as new as it may be it will be of the utmost help to me and perhaps other users.
And I had felt insulted that you accused XDA of selling out (Your home) and that you are trying to take my home away.
I only hope you can be comprehensive of my side as well and that we can both stand in the common ground.
I understand. We don't need a new forum for every version of Windows.. We don't have a forum for every version of Chrome. We don't have a forum for every version of Android. We don't have a forum for every version of OS-X. This is not a XDA OS. It's a Desktop OS. You will not be developing for this platform as an XDA. Obviously paid advertisement
If they have a Windows 8 forum, they need a Ubuntu forum and a OS-X forum. It makes no damn sense except that Microsoft has paid off XDA to promote their operating system. I read a statistic last month that the vast majority of people on this forum were on Android. Yet, somehow Microsoft's OSs are all listed at the top. It's not even alphabetical or in any order. Obviously paid advertisement.
Then stack the fact that the Windows 8 is not even a mobile OS. Microsoft has officially released that mobile and desktop apps will be mutually exclusive because of architecture and battery life. This is not a mobile development platform. Obviously paid advertisement
Microsoft is ****ting on my home. Might as well call it Computer-Developers.com
I mean seriously Microsoft.... How the **** can you make a developer release when the developer tools dont work?
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And somehow get sponsored on a mobile device forum with a Desktop OS..
This is absolute bull****.
Well that's Microsoft. For ya.
Please pardon me as I have been drinking and tend to say thing from the heart.
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I mean seriously Microsoft.... How the **** can you make a developer release when the developer tools dont work?
And somehow get sponsored on a mobile device forum with a Desktop OS..
This is absolute bull****.
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Hey Adam you might wanna calm down. Your childish side is showing
If you can't make a coherent discussion then you do not deserve to even be here at all. I tried to do it differently and you can't even properly answer back.
This discussion is over and I hope that if a mod sees this, just close it or lock it. Anyways, thanks for trying at least, it was entertaining and I hope we meet again.
Take care and have a nice day.
Just the name of the thread had my trollsenses tingling. Great stuff Adam.
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Just the name of the thread had my trollsenses tingling. Great stuff Adam.
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This is not a troll thread. Its blatently obvious why a desktop OS has no place on XDA developers. They have no plan for a mobile version yet.
Dude. Get over it. If you don't like it then don't read the forum. Pretty damn simple.
Really, I'm not joking here.. I've seen this before. Lockergnome used to be reserved for the technically savy until they started the forums and everyone signed up to ask questions. It used to be a series of blogs and a newsletter with quality control. That control is now gone and the articles are just about "cool stuff" that people think is smart. At one point it was technical, now it's artsy.
The thing that keeps this forum prestigious is that it is limited to a certain kind of device. This will open the flood gates for noobs to ask questions about EVERYTHING computer related. Once that starts, we will be tailoring to the masses. The noobs will take over and basically turn the place into another garbage forum like http://www.lockergnome.com/ . It will take 2 years. Mark.
Please, XDA, I urge you.. Contact User Experience Admin Svetius Windows 8 is a desktop OS, not a mobile OS. It is not designed for any mobile device. If you care about the forums, lets try to keep the desktop and laptop stuff out.
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Really, I'm not joking here.. I've seen this before. Lockergnome used to be reserved for the technically savy until they started the forums and everyone signed up to ask questions. It used to be a series of blogs and a newsletter with quality control. That control is now gone and the articles are just about "cool stuff" that people think is smart. At one point it was technical, now it's artsy.
The thing that keeps this forum prestigious is that it is limited to a certain kind of device. This will open the flood gates for noobs to ask questions about EVERYTHING computer related. Once that starts, we will be tailoring to the masses. The noobs will take over and basically turn the place into another garbage forum like http://www.lockergnome.com/ . It will take 2 years. Mark.
Please, XDA, I urge you.. Contact User Experience Admin Svetius Windows 8 is a desktop OS, not a mobile OS. It is not designed for any mobile device. If you care about the forums, lets try to keep the desktop and laptop stuff out.
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I'll kill this argument
Windows 8 is a desktop OS, yep surely is. But it also has ARM support and has ARM support for a pretty long time (since about 7850, which was the January build).
Now what do the majority of phones run? ARM. Windows 8 is on a forum where phones run ARM processors...It's pretty simple the reason
Same reason why the htc tablet (running vista and windows mobile) had its own forum. It's not as if this hasn't occurred before...
Just let it go
I recently published my first Android game on the PlayStore and on Androidpit.
Its called "Strategic Labyrinth".
Do you have any tips to become more popular? I already have a Facebookpage, a Youtube gameplay,etx.
Thanks in advance
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Luk4sproductions said:
I recently published my first Android game on the PlayStore and on Androidpit.
Its called "Strategic Labyrinth".
Do you have any tips to become more popular? I already have a Facebookpage, a Youtube gameplay,etx.
Thanks in advance
Luk4sproductions
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Well...Android app marketing trends are changing every month. I have written some post based on my past experience and analysis @ http://www.creatiosoft.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=202 ....This post includes steps which we should follow before launching or publishing your app in play store. Apart, from I have written post on Post Launch Marketing strategies also... May be this can help you out!! :victory::victory:
I published recently my first app as well - Easy Bookcase and for the moment it's a complete failure. I can't get even 5 downloads It's less than a week since I've published it and there are many similar apps out there but I was more prepared for people not liking it rather than ignoring it :silly:
Does anybody know how the search results on the marked are sorted. I've added enough keywords but my app is on page 20
hpgenie said:
I published recently my first app as well - Easy Bookcase and for the moment it's a complete failure. I can't get even 5 downloads It's less than a week since I've published it and there are many similar apps out there but I was more prepared for people not liking it rather than ignoring it :silly:
Does anybody know how the search results on the marked are sorted. I've added enough keywords but my app is on page 20
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You can follow some steps make your app visible on play store..Well..its a long list..I have concluded my analysis and experience on android app marketing at my forum CreatioSoft Forum ....May be this can help you out...In-case, you are still facing problem please let me know...
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Does anybody know how the search results on the marked are sorted. I've added enough keywords but my app is on page 20
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Google uses a lot of data for the Google Play Search.
You can use some standard SEO.
Moreover, the following variables are also tracked and used by Google Play:
Installs
Long installs
Uninstalls (negative impact)
User interactions (achievements, leaderboards, ...)
Unfortunately, you cannot control directly those 4 parameters. Google uses that to promote quality.
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I recommend the video Getting Discovered on Google Play from the last Google I/O.
Everyone that publish an app on Google Play should watch it.
There's a lot of precious information, and Google doesn't communicate frequently on this subject!
Thank you all. That's definitely a useful information to begin with.
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Luk4sproductions said:
I recently published my first Android game on the PlayStore and on Androidpit.
Its called "Strategic Labyrinth".
Do you have any tips to become more popular? I already have a Facebookpage, a Youtube gameplay,etx.
Thanks in advance
Luk4sproductions
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USe an App Launch Service..
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Exchange Reviews with other developers
Another way is to Exchange Reviews with other developers and a site to do so is:
SITE: AndroidKi[.] com
Give it a Try!
I think you should visit www.techibiz.com for more app marketing strategies.
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You should have to do mobile app marketing to increase your mobile app online presence, which will definitely help you in generating downloads for your mobile app. Just share some detailed information with me, I will help you in doing mobile app marketing.
Send your details at my email.
Hi,
My team too has released Docu Scan app, a unique scanning app with password protection feature.
Though its a free app with in-app purchases and we are getting decent response, I am not very happy with the results.
We expected it to do much better than what it is doing at the moment. Can you guys try the app and tell me where we are lagging?
Thanks in advance
promote your app
Hello, guys
I do have some suggestions to promote your apps.
Here are some suggestions I read from a post recently, I think it will be helpful for you guys.
1 Optimize the app title and keywords. When people are looking for apps in app store, they prefer to search some keywords like shooting game, office software and etc. Optimize the title of your app’s title and description is the first thing you should do after you have developed your app.
2 Make an explainer video for your app. Making an explainer video is a very cost and effective app marketing strategy, because it constantly increase the conversion rate of your app. 70% of people prefer to purchase or download app after watched a video, they are also more satisfied than those who didn't. Because a video could give the user an effective preview of the app, to help they understand an app before they actually own it. There are many great app explainer video service providers such as Appgovideo.com, Appegges.com and etc.
3. Start a blog. This is free and quite effective as well. You may announce and update the news of your app, your company and your team in your blog and you will be able to build great publicity for your own organization. The reason is simple, every people love stories.
wish to get more suggestions from you guys!
This class teaches you how to build your first Android app. You’ll learn how to create an Android project and run a debuggable version of the app. You'll also learn some fundamentals of Android app design, including how to build a simple user interface and handle user input.
Before you start this class, be sure you have your development environment set up. You need to:
Download the Android SDK.
Install the ADT plugin for Eclipse (if you’ll use the Eclipse IDE).
Download the latest SDK tools and platforms using the SDK Manager.
Super Wilmer going libGDX **JAVA** Devs
Here is a link for the Exlipse ADT http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
I might suggest building your framework to be portable to iOS, and HTML5. I've started porting the Super Wilmer Project to libGDX, so that it will automagically port to these other platforms. If you are a JAVA dev here is the link http://libgdx.badlogicgames.com/
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Here is my title
We are a small two man indie team, and this isn't your regular platformer, we think we've built something really unique here.
Creator: Wilmer Studios
Description: Super Wilmer is Mario Bros meets Angry Birds with unique gameplay elements and smooth intuitive controls...classic platformer action with a twist! Help Wilmer the Raccoon jump, sling-shot arrows and collect treasures across three worlds and dozens of levels. With multiple weapons, enemies and a dynamic environment, grab as many coins as you can as you help Wilmer jump and run though 3 distinct worlds.
Download free on GooglePlay: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.superwilmer
YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdpaXMnCtk
Rating Exchange
It possibly not the best way to promote your app, but it can help you to catch a couple of possitive rates of your game and boost it up to the top of your category. Also a good description, screenshots and logo can help. Here is our. When we have been created a screenshot we think that it should be colourful and eyes pleasing. Here we go...
You can try reviewmyap.com
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trandung1983 said:
You can try reviewmyap.com
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I was trying reviewmyap.com - its not working. I cant understand how to use it. Can you help?
Free marketing is a drop in the ocean of ad-based installs
Sadly, there aren't too many free tricks one can use to make the app more popular. There are millions of apps and games, and reviews are not working so well. People are just not going to the web to search reviews to decide what games to download, especially since the majority is free anyway.
This is why the app review and discovery service XYO had to pivot, because despite huge PR efforts they did not get enough traction to help users discover apps on the web. Users discover apps by looking at the top 10, 20 maximum top 50 games and choose what they want to play.
So, if you need to get some money to market your app through advertising. Here is what you can do:
1. Decide what country will be your first market. Make sure it is a "wealthy" but relatively small country (try Scandinavia maybe or Switzerland). Do not launch in more than one app store and in more than one country. Concentrate your budget in one place.
2. Estimate how many downloads you need to get to the top ten. People will tell you that your CPI should be around $1,2 but it is long and hard journey to get there, so initially you are looking at $2-$4 per install, unless you get yourself a deal with fraudsters which will sell you dead users on a CPI basis.
3. Multiply how many downloads it takes to get to the top 10 by the cost of install. Plan to stay there for a week, or two, before organic installs (1-4 times of paid installs).
4. Start making money in that country and build up capacity to move on to the next geography.
Then you have to optimise on what ads to use. Banners suck, native interactive, video ads are all the buzz and they show more conversions (up to 5 x for native ads). Check out our podcast (search for AppInTop on your podcast provider or TuneIn app) - we talk a lot about app advertising, native ads, interactive ads, fraud etc.
Hope that helps!
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This really works?
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tornadonoob said:
Sadly, there aren't too many free tricks one can use to make the app more popular. There are millions of apps and games, and reviews are not working so well. People are just not going to the web to search reviews to decide what games to download, especially since the majority is free anyway.
This is why the app review and discovery service XYO had to pivot, because despite huge PR efforts they did not get enough traction to help users discover apps on the web. Users discover apps by looking at the top 10, 20 maximum top 50 games and choose what they want to play.
So, if you need to get some money to market your app through advertising. Here is what you can do:
1. Decide what country will be your first market. Make sure it is a "wealthy" but relatively small country (try Scandinavia maybe or Switzerland). Do not launch in more than one app store and in more than one country. Concentrate your budget in one place.
2. Estimate how many downloads you need to get to the top ten. People will tell you that your CPI should be around $1,2 but it is long and hard journey to get there, so initially you are looking at $2-$4 per install, unless you get yourself a deal with fraudsters which will sell you dead users on a CPI basis.
3. Multiply how many downloads it takes to get to the top 10 by the cost of install. Plan to stay there for a week, or two, before organic installs (1-4 times of paid installs).
4. Start making money in that country and build up capacity to move on to the next geography.
Then you have to optimise on what ads to use. Banners suck, native interactive, video ads are all the buzz and they show more conversions (up to 5 x for native ads). Check out our podcast (search for AppInTop on your podcast provider or TuneIn app) - we talk a lot about app advertising, native ads, interactive ads, fraud etc.
Hope that helps!
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Thanks for your advice, but I think that in order to make money with a game the first thing is the quality of that game. Before think about spend money to get downloads, have to test the acceptance of the game.
Also very interesting tips :good:
This works
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This really works?
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Thanks for your advice, but I think that in order to make money with a game the first thing is the quality of that game. Before think about spend money to get downloads, have to test the acceptance of the game.
Also very interesting tips :good:
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I am working for a company . We usually follow this strategy when we want to target a continent in particular. We initially create an app for a specific region and then leverage that downloads and add support to multiple countries.
*This thread is about discussing the future of the Dev Edition as it pertains to the relationship between us and Samsung, and what we need from them. This thread will also contain official updates and information from my contacts at Samsung corporate.*
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm back home and able to respond again in regards to the DE situation. As you all know I had dedicated time to dealing with corporate on the matter of getting our phones in stock and working on other stretch goals such as software support. I told you all that Monday would be a good day but to be honest I had a feeling that we wouldn't have had our products shipped until Tuesday. I have a few ideas as to why this is the case, but more importantly I would like to emphasize and state something very important in regards to our participation in the developer program.
In all my dealings with the project managers and corporate wigs at Samsung I represented the cause on behalf of our community which no one there had heard of. I explained to them the importance and the legacy of XDA Developers, but most of all I made sure to tell them about the tight-knit community that helps each other out, the portal of people who band together in solidarity to raise support for developers, leaders, products. Most importantly I told them that not only does this credo bind us as a small group of users, but that the most important phone advancements come from communities like ours.
With that being said, we have a prime opportunity to make history by influencing their developer program in in a positive way. For that we need everyone to please be civil and respectful when dealing with Samsung customer service at the mobile accessories department. It is not their fault these phones were not ready to go out and they are willing to make it right. I say this as someone with an overnight order that not only didn't go out until today, but went out as ground shipping instead for Monday. There are hundreds of us, many calling in, and the last thing we need is to turn this into a clustercluck. The more positive we make this experience, the better.
I promised it would be a good holiday weekend with the Note 4 so take the time to enjoy it. The delay does push us back a bit on our goals. Tomorrow I will get to the bottom of this and hopefully get you an official explanation. Though we are delayed a bit, the volume of sales was larger than I expected initially which means that we now have a larger community. As one of "The First 40" from last month, we only had a couple of threads and not too much going on. I want to change that and so I will reach out to the mods and see if we can get our own space to collaborate and work together. This requires teamwork and participation as well as patience and a dash of happiness.
My contacts at Samsung see our numbers as leverage to get the things we really want, like support and original firmware as well as possible future updates. There's a lot riding on this so we can't mess it up. I can't delve into specifics about everything I've discussed with them but we may be looking at changing the way vendors officially view unlocked bootloaders and custom roms.
I've drawn up what in my experience is a good map of where to go from here with the product. If you have any input and information, this is the thread to add to the Developer Edition project pipeline. I can't believe we have to do the work for them and we aren't even paid for this, though someone's got to do it or else none of us are getting the full product experience we paid hundreds of dollars for.
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Update 1: With a one day delay, many of us are getting the phones and it's now out of stock again. Great work, I doubt we will have an idea of when it will be back in stock until next week because of the holidays.
Please take a moment to answer this one question survey on whether you were able to order a DE or you want to and are waiting on the back-order. This will give us a good head count for demand.
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How about a program similar to HTC? This would solve almost all problems without even having another sku..
I just looked over the HTC dev program, it's pretty simple and easy to implement something similar but on a smaller scope as a test. The only problem I see with Samsung rejecting the release of the files we need is that it could be used on non-DE models to make them DE editions as we noticed with the latest shipping. Remember, Samsung is still a business and not our buddies so they need a fiscal motivation to compete with HTC, which we've shown them with this high demand. So far they have been painfully ignorant of growing demands and I would attribute it to them not knowing how to properly implement/make money off of this.
I understand what you are saying but why have a developer edition period. If you are talking from a Fiscal standpoint, why does it matter who unlocks the bootloader. I guarantee that they lose sales to HTC because people want root. Nexus and HTC are gaining popularity as Samsung is losing popularity. Verizon and AT&T are losing sales and T-mobile is gaining sales.
People don't want to have to pay full retail when they can upgrade and unlock the retail version...
Here is another consideration, why should someone who pays full retail price for the retail version not be able to unlock the bootloader. It's not Samsung who owns the device... Samsung is greedy for the money... If you give the customer what they deserve that in itself will increase sales.
Why don't you pitch that idea to them. Give the consumer the choice, what Samsung has done was push away customers and make us Angry.. I applaud HTC, they did it right
Hi Virgil, here's a problem I see with your approach. Samsung knows all to well that the huge majority of people buying the Developer Edition of their phones are not developers. They are everyday users who are willing to pay the extra money for a phone they can install a custom recovery on and root. I don't know the statistics for sure, but I would bet that 98% of the Developer Edition Note 4 (for instance) sales have been generated by everyday users...not developers.
I've bought 3 developer devices from Samsung previously. With each previous purchase there was a questionnaire that you had to complete (obviously designed for developers) before your order would be processed. That questionnaire was/is not present in the sales "process" for the Note 4. A developer program is a great idea, but won't go far without real, no kidding developers.
If we want to give Samsung a reason to take our "developer community" serious then we need to find a whole lot of developers.
The whole developer thing is dumb...I own a Dev N3. You have to pay full retail for a device that will never get any updates or any stock firmware package to fall back on. Each dev bootloader has its own signature that is device specific, so there is no way to upgrade the bootloader without a dev specifically signing it to your device. I am running 4.4 Alliance build 2 on a 4.3 bootloader and because of that I have a few small quirks with youtube and bluetooth. Not a huge deal but it irks me.
Samsung should just allow you to have the choice to unlock your bootloader via fastboot at the cost of a voided warranty. Samsung once had the Smartphone market by the ballz. Now they are losing ground.
Sorry guys and girls we need to wait a few days for the Samsung internal team to decide upon the expansion of the developer program before we can begin to see any changes. I was told by the project director that there will be an internal meeting this week and our suggestions have been taken to account. I'm sorry I have nothing better for the community for now. I really want that original firmware most of all so we can begin developing.
Stay tuned and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Virgil Woods
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Sorry guys and girls we need to wait a few days for the Samsung internal team to decide upon the expansion of the developer program before we can begin to see any changes. I was told by the project director that there will be an internal meeting this week and our suggestions have been taken to account. I'm sorry I have nothing better for the community for now. I really want that original firmware most of all so we can begin developing.
Stay tuned and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Virgil Woods
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Hi Virgil,
Just wanted to say "Thanks" for doing this. It's nice to hear updates from someone who actually does have some inside knowledge even if a particular update is just that we are being heard and more info may come later.
Yeahp THANK YOU
VirgilWoods said:
Sorry guys and girls we need to wait a few days for the Samsung internal team to decide upon the expansion of the developer program before we can begin to see any changes. I was told by the project director that there will be an internal meeting this week and our suggestions have been taken to account. I'm sorry I have nothing better for the community for now. I really want that original firmware most of all so we can begin developing.
Stay tuned and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Virgil Woods
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Thanks for your persistance, Virgil. If you can get them to release firmware for the Developer Edition Note 4 you will have promoted yourself from Liason to "The Man".
Hi all,
Modular hardware like Google's "Project ARA"and other concepts
shall open up an entirely new chapter in history of "Mobile Computing" !
While google's own project for android will be device and OS locked, whle cross-OS & cross-device capabilities
are just 2 of many qualities which, each one of them, will eventually take other, similar technologies, beyond project ARA !
Should you have any qestions, don't hesitate to discuss it here, that's what this thread has been opened for after all. enjoy ! :fingers-crossed:
"NEXPAQ" Concept & Device Layouthttp://www.nexpaq.comhttp://www.nexpaq.comhttp://www.nexpaq.comhttp://www.nexpaq.com
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As and android user don't feel offended by this picture hehe... :angel:
just think about how important the following will be for the millions who come to android from iOS LOL
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AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING…...
It's important that an open platform can be built !
So *you* can dream up module ideas and developers will make them a reality!
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Very interesting.
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Purerawenergy said:
Very interesting.
from my Bacon-wrapped Lolli(Bliss)pop 5.1.1
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yes, already dreaming about a tripple or more SIM highend phone haha.... just curious how they gonne deal with apple since apple does not allow apps in their playstore which allow for expanded memory ( external sd-card ) what i like the most is that as it seems this will hit the market long before google ara which swallowed hundreds of millions already and then it's hot-swap / hot-plug capable. i'll keep track of this very carefully because i smell something good glad you liked it however.
How is this going to be better than Project ARA?
I will have to buy a phone and then buy the separate modular case to extend my phone's capabilities?
And the company will have to create a different case for every phone there is..
I hope this project works, but in my opinion it won't. The theory is impractical.
Why not buy a modular phone instead?
Very cool. Gimme gimme. Lol thanks for the heads up!
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t3al said:
How is this going to be better than Project ARA?
I will have to buy a phone and then buy the separate modular case to extend my phone's capabilities?
And the company will have to create a different case for every phone there is..
I hope this project works, but in my opinion it won't. The theory is impractical.
Why not buy a modular phone instead?
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that's an easy one:
a) ara phone will cost more than let's say a standard flaghips + nexpaq
b) you will be able to use the modules on your next phone again, including data on sdcard etc.
c) you will have a large choice of phones instead of a choice between one or two ara phones
d) you can change the OS, you can change the platform, you can change the brand and still get your preferred configuration and features
e) you will be able to hotplug without reboot
and much more and the fact that there will be a case per phone is not a disadvantage for the user, at least you have the choice which
otherwise or now you don't have, you can even get a cheaper phone mostly half the price with slightly weaker specs and make up for
it with modules while a module will cost between 14 and 20 bucks. example would be storage, but can be gpu, cpu, second sim, better camera
all much more expensive in highend phones than as a module. further you can take case and module off and still have the phone as is, so you never loose anything but gain what is wanted or needed.
thanks for the feedback, critical questions provide opportunities for answers and help to initiate the discussion :good:
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thanks all for the many views in such a short time. wish everyone would comment his opionion, suggestions and doubts to start a bit of a more vivid discussion.
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G+ Community link added to the OP for those who prefer G+ to discuss nexpaq
thanks all for the many views in such a short time. wish everyone would comment his opionion, suggestions and doubts to start a bit of a more vivid discussion.
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count me in
quite a while to wait for sales to start but will watch out :good:
magnamentis said:
link added to the OP for those who prefer G+ to discuss nexpaq
thanks all for the many views in such a short time. wish everyone would comment his opionion, suggestions and doubts to start a bit of a more vivid discussion.
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they just ended their kickstarter campaign with around 500% over the target, so chances are not bad that this is really is going ot happen, especially considering the video in the OP where it is obviously working quite well already, just wondering that people in this forum don't jump on this in masses, probably still a lot of mainstreamers with little foresight around LOL
hi all !
this page has seen over 2000 views but there has no significant discussion started on the topic.
let me know what keeps you from commenting, asking and suggesting? is it so well done that no open questions remain ( just kidding, not possible )
or is it too theoretical and/or far away, then watch the videos about ARA and about Nexpaq on the web. it's real and it's happening. be amongst the first who come op with wishes, doubts and hopes for this kind of technology, now it's the best time to take influence on basic decisions like available modules and/or devices, depending. brake it loose folks, now is the right time :highfive:
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hi all !
this page has seen over 2000 views but there has no significant discussion started on the topic.
let me know what keeps you from commenting, asking and suggesting? is it so well done that no open questions remain ( just kidding, not possible )
or is it too theoretical and/or far away, then watch the videos about ARA and about Nexpaq on the web. it's real and it's happening. be amongst the first who come op with wishes, doubts and hopes for this kind of technology, now it's the best time to take influence on basic decisions like available modules and/or devices, depending. brake it loose folks, now is the right time :highfive:
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Bought my first module. Can't wait till fall! Looking forward to what nexpaq will bring. Hopefully they release a nexus case!
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Bought my first module. Can't wait till fall! Looking forward to what nexpaq will bring. Hopefully they release a nexus case!
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there is a possibility to vote for devices. it's clear that they have to go with mainstream (big numbers) devices first as a startup, but as far as i've been reading they care a lot to bring the case for devices of users which show their interest. even the oneplus will receive a case, albeit the number of devices worldwide is around the 1 mio mark only. you know i made up the theory of modular computing about 10 years ago. IMO we shall once have a central data storage for all devices which we can acess from laptops, desktops and and displays with touch and/or mouse-keyboard combo and similar things should happen to power storage and specific gadgets. this is a small step but into the right direction, mostly because it's cross platform and key units like the smartphone can be changed and others can be added without a change of the overall experience. let's see
Very interesting and fascinating. Main disadvantages compared with Ara:
- heavy
- big
- you can't e.g. replace the CPU for a faster one or replace the RAM by a larger amount
I hope they succeed! Whether or not I would want to buy it, I do not know yet.
Guys, comparing Nexpaq to Ara is not a very good comparison, we should compare Nexpaq to other modular smartphone cases such as The Moscase Modular Smartphone case and MODR.
The PuzzlePhone is much better comparison to Ara.
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Guys, comparing Nexpaq to Ara is not a very good comparison, we should compare Nexpaq to other modular smartphone cases such as The Moscase Modular Smartphone case and MODR.
The PuzzlePhone is much better comparison to Ara.
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you certainly have a point if it comes to hardware conception, but not when it comes to functionality. ARA and NEXPAQ both have the same kind of daily use pattern (user) in mind and yes, you're again right when it comes to MODR, that really is a similar concept, while moscase IMO falls short in a more than one significant point. I shall for the reasons mentioned above keep ARA in, also because it's somehow an orientation point when it comes to modular devices by now, and shall investigate further on the MODR platform to see how far it is in development. the latter is important because otherwise we would have to add others which many of them will never see daylight and since i want this discussion to start only on projects with a certain probability of making it to market LOL. what i'm saying is that i will eventually add MODR to this thread to add fuel and fair comparison to the discussion
thank you @devon for your useful, hence very much appreciated contribution.
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Very interesting and fascinating. Main disadvantages compared with Ara:
- heavy
- big
- you can't e.g. replace the CPU for a faster one or replace the RAM by a larger amount
I hope they succeed! Whether or not I would want to buy it, I do not know yet.
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yes but then they add functionality and some 1 heavier and bulkier device (dual sim for example) ( no battery pack for example) is still lighter and handier than 2 devices and then it's removable. so should someone want to take his phone to places or in places where size and weight prevail over functions, simply disconnect and you remain with your favourite smartphone, the one which you chose in the first place. but let's see, all this
are valid points, but then that's why some of us use iOS and others use android and as well many different brands and models, because preference and requirements vary
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yes but then they add functionality and some 1 heavier and bulkier device (dual sim for example) ( no battery pack for example) is still lighter and handier than 2 devices and then it's removable. so should someone want to take his phone to places or in places where size and weight prevail over functions, simply disconnect and you remain with your favourite smartphone, the one which you chose in the first place. but let's see, all this
are valid points, but then that's why some of us use iOS and others use android and as well many different brands and models, because preference and requirements vary
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Absolutely true, there are advantages and disadvantages! Perhaps it was unfair for me to list only the disadvantages. But the advantages had already been mentioned in the ad hehe.
@magnamentis
i have just discovered this modular case for the first time and i have to say i am impressed...i made contact with nexpaq and they have since answered me that they need to receive 1000+ orders for each device in order to start production for them...i really want one for my oneplus 1 so i also asked if they would put a countdown on the orders for each device this way users would know if they would receive their case soon or if it would be built at all...they answered that they cannot divulge this info as they would not want competitors to know their production rates..seems a bit silly as this type of information is usually available from most companies anyway...but i live in hope that if i do order one of these cases it will be produced and delivered rather than them sending me my money back because there were not enough orders...i also asked for a review unit and was tols they will let me know by early 2016...i also asked if they would be making some sort of discount idea if people brought them customers and they are in the process of doing this as well....i will also create a separate thread over at the oneplus section to see how many people i can get interested in this project...i also started a discussion over in the oneplus forums as well,please feel free to join and discuss there as well....:laugh:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/new-nexpaq-project-ara-style-cases-for-the-oneplus-one.372749/
mrsim said:
@magnamentis
i have just discovered this modular case for the first time and i have to say i am impressed...i made contact with nexpaq and they have since answered me that they need to receive 1000+ orders for each device in order to start production for them...i really want one for my oneplus 1 so i also asked if they would put a countdown on the orders for each device this way users would know if they would receive their case soon or if it would be built at all...they answered that they cannot divulge this info as they would not want competitors to know their production rates..seems a bit silly as this type of information is usually available from most companies anyway...but i live in hope that if i do order one of these cases it will be produced and delivered rather than them sending me my money back because there were not enough orders...i also asked for a review unit and was tols they will let me know by early 2016...i also asked if they would be making some sort of discount idea if people brought them customers and they are in the process of doing this as well....i will also create a separate thread over at the oneplus section to see how many people i can get interested in this project...i also started a discussion over in the oneplus forums as well,please feel free to join and discuss there as well....:laugh:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/new-nexpaq-project-ara-style-cases-for-the-oneplus-one.372749/
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check my thread in the oneplus forum first, but don't hesitate to make another one, just be careful that they don't look/appear redunant, else they gonna delete which is not what we want. i as well have the OPO and of course signed up as to show interest. there already was an event to evaluate the possibility to produce for OPO and as far as i know it was quite successful, while not knowing whether the number of 1000+ was reached. i've seen a few twitter and facebook posts on the matter as well.
another nice one, specially for girls this time