Hello Cousins! I am creating a new thread for the official PalmDroid project. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, keep this new thread for only dev news and progress. We have created a new thread for three reasons. First off, the project starter roto-rooter, has been inactive for a while. Also, there hasn't been much ACTUAL dev news in the last thread. Finally, we feel like we would get more notoriety in this section than in the WebOS section.
After speaking with some of you it has become readily apparent that while many people are comfortable waiting for a full android release for the HP Touchpad, there are also quite a few people out there that do not want to switch to a full android OS but simply wish they could have access to the vast app collection that android has to offer.
For these people I offer a solution.
Palmdroid
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The Palmdroid project is going to be an ongoing development project to bring a Dalvik like port to the Palm/HP WebOS operating system.
The goals of this project are as follows:
1) to offer a Dalvik port to WebOS that allows for android app emulation as if they were native WebOS apps much like Alien Dalvik on the nokia n900 or the app emulator of the blackberry playbook
2) Share useful information throughout development with the Touchdroid team as to help them reach their end goals and avoid conflicting and overlapping work as well as to foster collaboration and new ideas to speed the project along.
3)If possible (either worked into the project from the start or through later additions) provide the emulator as a download through the WebOS homebrew App catalog.
Now with the goals outlined I'll move on to how this is going to get going and what needs to happen next.
1) First and foremost... I need volunteer developers. If you have experience with Dalvik, WebOS development, Android development, UI development, C++, Java, Etc. I would like you to PM me with details regarding what you can help with. I have some java and C++ experience as well as a ton of web dev and project management experience but with alot of this I am learning as I go and if this is going to get done with any sort of speed I NEED your help.
2) I will be setting up communication channels for the dev team to discuss what needs to be done, share work, etc.
3) I will be setting up a web page (an extension off of my own since I can't finance purchasing another hosting account or domain name right now) where there will be regular updates on the status of the project as well as a section for the dev team as a repository for project related research, source code bits, group status reports etc.
Until the aforementioned steps are met this thread will be used to offer info, updates, and discussion related to development of Palmdroid.
I hope to have the support of the community here as we move ahead... i know I am new around here but I am very passionate about making this happen.
WebOS is a great operating system... and Android has some amazing apps... won't it be an amazing world when you can have both!
The Team (so far):
Developers: SpencerElliott, cyrux004, pullathomas, Childofthehorn
Idea Creators: Roto-rooter, FAILHARD
Palmdroid Coming Soon
I've been able to compile dalvikvm using the PDK toolchain but I still feel like all of the shared libraries (libdvm, libssl, etc) will need to be compiled using Palm's toolchain just to be safe. When I try to run dalvikvm on the device, I get a segmentation fault and I can't trace it back.
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Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x2aab64c4 in _dl_relocate_object () from /lib/ld-linux.so.3
Progress is (slowly) being made though. Once dalvikvm isn't crashing, it should print out
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Dalvik VM init failed (check log file)
And that means it's ready to accept bytecode (just needs to be configured first)
SEPT 15 UPDATE: Not much happened since the last update but I'm narrowing down what I believe are the issues with the segmentation fault.
So I'm going back and compiling the different libraries needed for Dalvik (libssl, libz, libdvm, libdex, etc.) using the Palm PDK libraries. So far I have libdex compiling and I've been able to create a static library from it, so one of them down, a bunch to go.
I haven't pushed any of the code just yet because the folders are a mess right now and it isn't exactly usable but I should hopefully have some more libraries compiling before the weekend
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So I'm going back and compiling the different libraries needed for Dalvik (libssl, libz, libdvm, libdex, etc.) using the Palm PDK libraries. So far I have libdex compiling and I've been able to create a static library from it, so one of them down, a bunch to go.
I haven't pushed any of the code just yet because the folders are a mess right now and it isn't exactly usable but I should hopefully have some more libraries compiling before the weekend
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Just wondering, what training did you need to acquire the knowledge you have in order to do this kind of work? Is it mostly self taught/hobby, or is there some course that can bring me to the basics for what I need know?
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Just wondering, what training did you need to acquire the knowledge you have in order to do this kind of work? Is it mostly self taught/hobby, or is there some course that can bring me to the basics for what I need know?
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It's kind of a mixture of experimenting, my computer science major and being a huge Android fanboy I'd say that if you know how the Android platform runs on devices and all the underlying systems that run it you should be good to start looking at the source code.
Unfortunately, kernel.org is down right now so you'd have to find the source somewhere else but any help I could get with the project would be appreciated
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It's kind of a mixture of experimenting, my computer science major and being a huge Android fanboy I'd say that if you know how the Android platform runs on devices and all the underlying systems that run it you should be good to start looking at the source code.
Unfortunately, kernel.org is down right now so you'd have to find the source somewhere else but any help I could get with the project would be appreciated
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I started working on something similar for Bada just out of curiosity, But I'm struggleing with it as the Bada SDK is only available on windows and the Android sources can not be compiled under windows... Catch 22... I installed cygwin and set it to use the Bada SDK's gcc and things and installed the Java SDK on windows to have javac but I still has problems...
SpencerElliott said:
It's kind of a mixture of experimenting, my computer science major and being a huge Android fanboy I'd say that if you know how the Android platform runs on devices and all the underlying systems that run it you should be good to start looking at the source code.
Unfortunately, kernel.org is down right now so you'd have to find the source somewhere else but any help I could get with the project would be appreciated
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Android source was all ported to github for now.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...ty-with/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
webos apparently soon!
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So, I'm starting to wonder if this project is still as feasible as it once was since OpenMobile is working on the very same idea but with more backing and a platform to stand under as of now.
I will continue to work on the project as much as I can if people would still like to see Palmdroid, but it seems moot to create two of the same product :S
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So, I'm starting to wonder if this project is still as feasible as it once was since OpenMobile is working on the very same idea but with more backing and a platform to stand under as of now.
I will continue to work on the project as much as I can if people would still like to see Palmdroid, but it seems moot to create two of the same product :S
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go for it. Openmobile won't be releasing to end users...
Dude, you have to keep going. If I even had the slightest idea of what was involved in programming I would help.
Same here I'm rooting for u lol i wish I could help program but i know i can test the hell outta it i have a background in QA testing and bug fixing and reporting
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Yea, same here. I'm really stocked to see this project through to the very end! ;D
keep at it! I wish we could get you some help, I would except I havn't the slightest idea on how to program. I can however donate if/when the time comes, as i'm sure this is quite time consuming. Good luck with it and i'm sure that when you crack it you'll make lots of people very happy.
guys.. join #PalmDroid on irc.freenode.net
SpencerElliott is there, show some support and if ur a dev stop by and ask what can you help with ... it will be appreciated by all the people waiting for this project to succeed..
thank you..
You guys need a git repo or gitorious code base for management? I run a few boxes with lots of spare space to help various projects out, including hosting mirrors for bandwidth. I'm willing to support this project.
Also - a little unrelated; does anyone know of an effort to support Apple iOS apps on Android? I vaguely remember there being something for that but I cannot find it anymore. I really want to play the Ascension game but it has only been released for Apple on iOS. Was hoping there was a port/vm someplace.
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Also - a little unrelated; does anyone know of an effort to support Apple iOS apps on Android? I vaguely remember there being something for that but I cannot find it anymore. I really want to play the Ascension game but it has only been released for Apple on iOS. Was hoping there was a port/vm someplace.
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You are thinking on iemu? HERE is the link. It is still a WIP with no release yet.
here is a link to our chatroom for this project.. still new.. so not alot of people there so join and show support
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=PalmDroid&uio=OT10cnVlJjExPTE4NSYxMj10cnVl20
I don't know how to program at all, but I have been a webOS and android user for a while now and have fooled around with Linux.
I would love to see this project complete. I don't know how I can help.
I do have a very powerful PC so if you ever need processing power I can help.
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You are thinking on iemu? HERE is the link. It is still a WIP with no release yet.
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An option I'm sure... A running VM with iOS certainly would fit the bill. Ultimately I was hoping of something more like 'here's an emulator to run iOS apps on Android' sort of thing; being that I have that wonderful TouchPad that will eventually have Android installed. Something similar would be PalmDroid in the fashion that Dalvik/Android apps will run on WebOS.
Thanks, I'll take a look into the project and freenode room.
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Greetings!
My name is Daniel Sloof and together with a group of volunteers we have recently been working on a project called Mangler: a Ventrilo compatible client for linux. Mangler is driven by a C library called libventrilo3 and over the past couple of weeks I have been working on making this library compile with the Android-NDK. I am currently succesfully able to build libventrilo3 as a native library that can be used in Android applications. The JNI wrappers are a little lackluster, but they are being worked on.
The main reason for me posting on this forum (amongst others) is because I am looking for skilled Android/Java developers to assist us in working on this open-source project. We're mostly C programmers that have very little Android experience. I expect we could have something functional up within the month, most of the work has already been done: we're pretty much just writing a GUI for an existing backend (and some audio stuff, which is just feeding PCM to one of the native functions).
Thanks for reading! If by this point you're interested in participating or have any specific questions you can just post them here or drop by on IRC. You can find me on freenode #mangler (alias: danslo).
Im so excited for this project! I hope this goes well.
Time for an update and a quick *bump*.
More progress has been made making libventrilo suitable for Android usage. This primarily involves audio stuff, such as upsampling to rates that Android's AudioRecord doesn't support. Buffering in the Android App is still required but this can be done with minimal effort. Of course all of this (and future) progress can be found on our website.
There have also been some android developers peaking around in the IRC channel but no active developer has yet been found, feel free to drop by.
(PS: To moderators: I am cross-posting this on several Android Forums. If this is considered spam, please feel free to take appropriate measures.)
What is your website, I'd like to track your progress.
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What is your website, I'd like to track your progress.
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You can find us at mangler (dot) org though
<-- so happy to see this!~!!
*bump* - still looking for developers
Bump & small update!
I've just managed to record audio on my android device and send it to our ventrilo test server. Even with just 8khz quality (for testing purposes) the transmission sounds loud and clear on my ventrilo client! There is a small bit of delay but that doesn't seem to be caused by either the connection or the speed of the device (HTC Magic); it can probably be fixed with relative ease.
That being said, looks like we've found an Android developer willing to work on the project, but nothing is for certain so we're still looking for decent Java/Android developers to help out.
And up up we go!
Current revision in our repository can now play received audio transmissions! Once that is worked out nicely, all we'll really need is a decent GUI and some minor modifications (process more library events, etc) and we're good to go.
That spot for Android/Java developer is still available
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And up up we go!
Current revision in our repository can now play received audio transmissions! Once that is worked out nicely, all we'll really need is a decent GUI and some minor modifications (process more library events, etc) and we're good to go.
That spot for Android/Java developer is still available
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Way to go keep up the good work, can't wait to give it a whirl.
People dont seem to understand the potential of this, what a shame. there should be 100 guys clamoring to do this. if i coded i would be all over this.
Looking forward to seeing what comes of this!
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People dont seem to understand the potential of this, what a shame. there should be 100 guys clamoring to do this. if i coded i would be all over this.
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Unfortunately those are the responses we get most of the time Thanks for the support!
I noticed on your website that you recommend Mumble, which I've been a huge fan and contributor since 2007. Any reason not to make Mumble for Android? It's my #1 most wanted app (I've got money on it) and I've heard from quite a few other people who want it, but hardly anyone with the skills/resources to make it happen. Then again it looks like you're in a similar situation, yet still the most qualified.
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I noticed on your website that you recommend Mumble, which I've been a huge fan and contributor since 2007. Any reason not to make Mumble for Android? It's my #1 most wanted app (I've got money on it) and I've heard from quite a few other people who want it, but hardly anyone with the skills/resources to make it happen. Then again it looks like you're in a similar situation, yet still the most qualified.
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Several reasons:
1) I've never worked on Mumble. (I am very familiar with the ventrilo protocol and written quite a chunk of our ventrilo library)
2) It's written in C++, which is not by default supported by the Android NDK. (unlike libventrilo3 which is written in plain C)
3) Mangler seperates a ventrilo library from its GUI interface, which makes it easy to write seperate interfaces to the same library. As far as I know this is not the case with Mumble.
Don't get me wrong, I (we?) think that Mumble is one of the better alternatives for desktop environments.. but Android places some restrictions that are difficult to overcome with the way Mumble was designed.
I hope that answers your question.
Fair enough. I will continue my search.
As I hear from some developers in the Mumble community, the main limitation is the lack of Qt support for Android, but there may be a way to work around the need for Qt. I'm not a programmer (I hope eventually), so I wouldn't know how difficult such a task would be by any standard.
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Fair enough. I will continue my search.
As I hear from some developers in the Mumble community, the main limitation is the lack of Qt support for Android, but there may be a way to work around the need for Qt. I'm not a programmer (I hope eventually), so I wouldn't know how difficult such a task would be by any standard.
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There's pretty much a lack of any GUI toolkit on Android (that includes Qt, but also Gtk, wxWidgets, etc). You are pretty much confined to writing it in Java with the Android SDK. Which isn't really a big issue; you want your stuff to feel like -actual- android apps anyway. The real problem with Mumble integration is the Android NDK's lack of proper (official) C++ support and a way of interfacing with the Mumble network protocol without touching any of the audio/gui stuff.
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Fair enough. I will continue my search.
As I hear from some developers in the Mumble community, the main limitation is the lack of Qt support for Android, but there may be a way to work around the need for Qt. I'm not a programmer (I hope eventually), so I wouldn't know how difficult such a task would be by any standard.
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There is a Qt port for Android underway, so this might help the port once it gets completed.
I've gone off-topic for long enough, but couldn't resist to post. Some dude named pcgod in our mangler IRC channel is working on a Mumble port for Android.. Git repository can be found here:
http://github.com/pcgod/mumble-android
In regards to Mangler... only thing we really still need is a GUI.
Checking out the svn of the project it seems that some work has already been done. Do you only need the GUI now? or the audio stuff too like you wrote in your first post?
EDIT: I just tried it, it manages to login and I can see that there are some users in the test server but how do I start a conversation?
I have been using MIUI for the past several weeks and was interested in it enough to start looking in helping with development when I get the chance. I was surprised to see that there is no source repository for MIUI. In fact, adding WiMax functionality has required the submission of the cyanogen code to the development team to include in a future update of the rom. The Android OS is released under the GPLv2, which clearly states that you must release the source and license of the original code and that if there are any modifications to that code then you must include the dates of the modifications.
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b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run, you must cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an announcement including an appropriate copyright notice and a notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy of this License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but does not normally print such an announcement, your work based on the Program is not required to print an announcement.)
These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.
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If there are some parts of the MIUI rom that has been made independent from the Android OS, then those parts who's source is not released under the GPL must be distributed separately, as per section 2 of the GPLv2.
I have looked all over and it I cannot find any of the source for this ROM. This is in clear violation of the license in witch Android is released.
I feel, personally, that if the MIUI developers are not releasing there source then there is now way for the rest of the community that uses it to know for certain that this software is not malice by nature. It would appear that there is a good number of individuals working on this project, judging by which the speed of improvements are being released. What motivation could a team of people be working under when none of them are interested documenting what they are doing to the public at large. This is, in my opinion, a very dangerous mix. Your phone contains the most sensitive data that you have. As such I would expect the developers of MIUI to include the rest of us in the development process not just for the outstanding improvement of having more people work on a project, but to allow the code of something that is at the center of our private information to be reviewed by the people using it. Is there anyone esle that is concerned about this?
good luck getting the miui team to do anything they don't want to do
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good luck and imho get over it
The MIUI team are from China... remember we as the end user decide what we want to run on our phones. We must take responsibility for our own actions... therefore I have made the choice to run MIUI on my phone.
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What I can't figure out is why they can blatantly flaunt the GPL but still pimp their **** on XDA.
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What I can't figure out is why they can blatantly flaunt the GPL but still pimp their **** on XDA.
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This is exactly right. If they are in violation of the gpl, then they should not be able to distribute. However, it is possible that they have proprietary code that does not conflict with the gpl.
I don't know which of these is true, though. It sure looks cool, but if they are shirking their responsibility to FOSS then then is a problem.
I am not in disagreement with them having their own proprietary code, but they do need to follow the agreement within the GPL. If you download cyanogen, you have to download gapps separately because gapps has closed source programs. The GPL requires that you leave the open source code open source and the proprietary distributed separately. There are no such repositories containing anything from this rom. I am not into conspiracies or anything, but rules are rules.
Prepare for the same pro SBC trolls to invade your thread.
Yes, it does raise some questions and thank you for bringing the topic up. I don't use that rom but until there is some clarification from the developers, xda or both I will steer clear. Hopefully that kind of response from users like myself will get some movement on the issue.
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I think you should sue em man.
What's XDA's official view on GPL violations?
Didn't Feeyo of the Cronos Project get banned from XDA and all his ROM's removed, for GPL violation?
By the way I think Android is on Apache licence, only the kernel is on GPL2, but MIUI team has released kernel sources in the past as far as I know. So I don't know for sure if there is actually a violation here.
Oh boy, here we go again. First SBC, now MIUI. Considering this site promotes rooting phones and voiding warranties, there sure is a ton of hypocricy around here. Go ahead, flame away.
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wow. what asses. your really going to start something?
Btw, it does apply to just the kernel. if not, pretty much every rom needs to be taken down. None of them have a link to source.
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Oh boy, here we go again. First SBC, now MIUI. Considering this site promotes rooting phones and violating warranties, there sure is a ton of hypocricy around here. Go ahead, flame away.
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How exactly does one "violate" a warranty?
"Voiding" a warranty and violating a license agreement are no where near the same thing.
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How exactly does one "violate" a warranty?
"Voiding" a warranty and violating a license agreement are no where near the same thing.
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Fixed it. Your life is better now?
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Fixed it. Your life is better now?
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You didn't fix the fact that you're comparing apples to oranges and the entire logic of your post makes no sense.
My life still sukz
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My life still sukz
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There might be an app for that.
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There might be an app for that.
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Awesome I hope it doesn't use stolen source code.
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the kernel is the only part that needs to be. and our kernel for the evo is from one of the ones here on xda so....
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Oh boy, here we go again. First SBC, now MIUI. Considering this site promotes rooting phones and voiding warranties, there sure is a ton of hypocricy around here. Go ahead, flame away.
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Rooting phones and voiding warranties are totally legal. Stealing sources is not.
But I am still not sure if they did steal source.
Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?
This is a desktop oriented OS... Sure, it WORKS on some Tablet PCs.. Not many and really, who has them?
This is a hacking/developing/home-brew community. Microsoft runs services for consumers, not developers. Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor.
XDA (Cross-Digital Assistant) is for Cellular Digital Assistants and and Personal Digital Assistants. Windows 8 is neither. It supports concepts from Windows Phone 7, but we would not have a iOS forum and we would not have a Kubuntu forum.
I vote the forum be removed. I also vote that XDA stop selling out.
Reserved so the first post won't be a microsoft consumer representative posing as a user.
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Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor
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Interesting idea. Let me inform you sir, that this forum has always been Windows Mobile centric since and/or from it's foundation (Hopefully I'm not mistaken). Then along came Android and things got.. Well let's say complicated.
The "free" approach that Google has installed in all of you, has created a whole bunch whiners and trolls who feel entitled that everything should be given to them without any sacrifice from the user. Not like this was any different when it was Windows Mobile only, but we had our secluded spot.
I do not care for Android but everyone should have their own space, understood?
OR
Technology changes faster than the blink of an eye, and if you are reluctant to change, you are in the wrong forum.
Believe me, XDA for me used to be one of those "secret-spots" I'd come to have a nice read and communicate with new and old members alike.
Ever since Android has been introduced to XDA, things have gotten more intense, like debates among who's OS is better or not (Even in Non-Android forums)... something that I may not care but YET I respect others wishes.
Needless to say, I hope you revise your post and be MINDFUL OF OTHERS who will have a need for this forum.
If you do not wish to remain here for a meaningful discussion "On-Topic" mind you, then go back to your Android thread where you belong then.
Thank you and have a nice day. Sometimes it's nice to see things from another perspective, try it once in a while.
I don't get how it can annoy you in any way possible? Just ignore it and you'll be fine. And who knows we could use this to find stuff about which tablets it ports to etc. So IMO it's kinda needed.
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Do you see a Donut, Froyo, Gingerbread or IceCream Sandwich forums here?
Windows has been fundamentally the same since NT. They've partially implemented security permissions and have yet to keep up with the level of Linux in that department. Because of additional convolution, they could have a Windows7/8 forum in addition to the Windows CE forum (which mobile fits into).
There's no call to have a windows 7 and 8 forum at all. Having a new forum for that is like having a new forum for each manufacturer's UI implementation. There's nothing revolutionary about the 8 interface. It's simply hiding the default Windows interface and it's a merge of the Windows7 phone interface into the desktop.
Windows needs to do a total revamp, starting with NTFS. The Filesystem is garbage. It hinders use and development. I know because I have developed Windows applications. Modularisation is the key to a good operating system. Never in my life have I considered a partial implementation of permissions (Windows 7 and vista), nor a Skinned UI(Windows 8), nor merging of a mobile and a desktop platform into a single interface (Windows 8), worthy of an entire forum.
Windows CE variants, and Windows Vista variants... Sure. Windows 8 is not XDA material. It's not a digital assitant like WP7, and it's not a phone. Howabout a Windows forum with Arm and x86 categories?
AdamOutler said:
"Do you see a Donut, Froyo, Gingerbread or IceCream Sandwich forums here?"
"Windows has been fundamentally the same since NT. They've partially implemented security permissions and have yet to keep up with the level of Linux in that department"
"Windows needs to do a total revamp, starting with NTFS. The Filesystem is garbage. It hinders use and development. I know because I have developed Windows applications"
"Modularisation is the key to a good operating system. Never in my life have I considered a partial implementation of permissions (Windows 7 and vista), nor a Skinned UI(Windows 8), nor merging of a mobile and a desktop platform into a single interface (Windows 8), worthy of an entire forum"
"Windows CE variants, and Windows Vista variants... Sure. Windows 8 is not XDA material. It's not a digital assitant like WP7, and it's not a phone"
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Dude, leave the fanboyism aside. All the above are not facts, but YOUR opinion and YOUR opinion ALONE.
This is exactly the same thing I was talking about. You obviously have no interest on a Windows forum.
YET you are here trolling because YOU do not agree with it, so therefore NO ONE ELSE can have it??
Should I complain to XDA (i.e) Because Google has privacy issues AND violates them on a constant basis, so therefore we shouldn't have Android? NO, simply NO.
These are opinions and not facts.
XDA is set up in this place to CONTRIBUTE and DISCUSS material ON TOPIC of the above mentioned forum, not to spew hatred because you simply do not agree with.
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Dude, leave the fanboyism aside. All the above are not facts, but YOUR opinion and YOUR opinion ALONE.
This is exactly the same thing I was talking about. You obviously have no interest on a Windows forum.
YET you are here trolling because YOU do not agree with it, so therefore NO ONE ELSE can have it??
Should I complain to XDA (i.e) Because Google has privacy issues AND violates them on a constant basis, so therefore we shouldn't have Android? NO, simply NO.
These are opinions and not facts.
XDA is set up in this place to CONTRIBUTE and DISCUSS material ON TOPIC of the above mentioned forum, not to spew hatred because you simply do not agree with.
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No sir, you are exhibiting fanboyism. If you've ever tried to program cross-platform then you will realize how convoluted and screwed up Windows methods are.
Hardware abstractions requiring proprietary drivers hinder development
Interfacing devices requires implementations of $10,000 signatures from Microsoft
Utilizing user granted elevated permissions requires 30 additional steps to a program
Tools which assist with elevation of permissions are considered "Malware"
Installation of applications requires access to a unorganized "database" called the registry
Utilizing pieces of equipment which you have purchased in a different way is entirely too convoluted to even consider for any sort of software distribution.
Microsoft's provided generic drivers are buggy, so you can test and pay to sign if you're serious.
If you'd like links to any of the above, I'll show you in code, or examples I've dealt with in the last few months. Why do you deal with them? Because you're told by the mass market that it's what you want. It came on your computer. You learned it.
These are normal every-day life for you when you run Windows. Learn Linux and you will not have these problems. You will soon learn that they are *IN FACT* problems. They require several work-arounds and cash in order to utilize your creative freedoms as a developer.
You say opinion, I throw the gauntlet sir.
Well, I'm not bigger Linux fan than Windows, I use Windows for everyday. But really, Windows 8 is not available for ARM, and we don't know for sure if it will ever be, and when. So I see no point on making 2 boards for Beta release of some system.
I don't see boards for Fedora, Ubuntu, RedHat, Knoppix. Most of them are more available for XDA devices than Win8 (more is not appropriate word here, as its like dividing 1 by 0 for now)
I see no place for Win8 boards on XDA Developers for now, while it has got nothing to do with portable devices but some press notes.
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No sir, you are exhibiting fanboyism. If you've ever tried to program cross-platform then you will realize how convoluted and screwed up Windows methods are.
Hardware abstractions requiring proprietary drivers hinder development
Interfacing devices requires implementations of $10,000 signatures from Microsoft
Utilizing user granted elevated permissions requires 30 additional steps to a program
Tools which assist with elevation of permissions are considered "Malware"
Installation of applications requires access to a unorganized "database" called the registry
Utilizing pieces of equipment which you have purchased in a different way is entirely too convoluted to even consider for any sort of software distribution.
Microsoft's provided generic drivers are buggy, so you can test and pay to sign if you're serious.
If you'd like links to any of the above, I'll show you in code, or examples I've dealt with in the last few months. Why do you deal with them? Because you're told by the mass market that it's what you want. It came on your computer. You learned it.
These are normal every-day life for you when you run Windows. Learn Linux and you will not have these problems. You will soon learn that they are *IN FACT* problems. They require several work-arounds and cash in order to utilize your creative freedoms as a developer.
You say opinion, I throw the gauntlet sir.
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Adam, I have read your post in it's entirety and I have to say that even if these issues are preventing development, you came into this forum and I quote: ("Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor" "Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?").
Do you really think that this is are reasons enough to have it your way? Would you be happy if I went and trashed the Android forums just for the fun of it? If you would have posted this in the Android forums, you would have not heard from me at all. The issue at hand, that I see.. Os that you come into this forum insulting XDA and the future users of this forum and then say, this shouldn't be here at all.
Your complaints cannot be fixed in this forum at all, because XDA was designed to find tweaks and even hacks etc to make our OS better and responsive. Are you so mad that you are willing to deny the chance to other users because of your own jealousy and hatred for such a corporation?
Learn to share and let others live as they see fit. If Windows works for them, then it does, period. Or would you rather have them all move to chromium and/or Google products? That's very kind of you but users do not need to be berated for choosing as such. This is more on the lines of fanboyism. I said it before.
Would you be okay if I do the same on the Android forums?
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Adam, I have read your post in it's entirety and I have to say that even if these issues are preventing development, you came into this forum and I quote: ("Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor" "Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?").
Do you really think that this is are reasons enough to have it your way? Would you be happy if I went and trashed the Android forums just for the fun of it? If you would have posted this in the Android forums, you would have not heard from me at all. The issue at hand, that I see.. Os that you come into this forum insulting XDA and the future users of this forum and then say, this shouldn't be here at all.
Your complaints cannot be fixed in this forum at all, because XDA was designed to find tweaks and even hacks etc to make our OS better and responsive. Are you so mad that you are willing to deny the chance to other users because of your own jealousy and hatred for such a corporation?
Learn to share and let others live as they see fit. If Windows works for them, then it does, period. Or would you rather have them all move to chromium and/or Google products? That's very kind of you but users do not need to be berated for choosing as such. This is more on the lines of fanboyism. I said it before.
Would you be okay if I do the same on the Android forums?
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XDA was designed for PDA and CDA devices.. Not desktop operating systems. Anything designed in Windows 8 will have to be redesigned for any sort of XDA device. It's a desktop operating system, not a XDA operating system. This was stated upon release of Windows 8 developer preview.
http://i55.tinypic.com/ngulw1.png
AdamOutler said:
XDA was designed for PDA and CDA devices.. Not desktop operating systems. Anything designed in Windows 8 will have to be redesigned for any sort of XDA device. It's a desktop operating system, not a XDA operating system. This was stated upon release of Windows 8 developer preview.
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This should have been your first post instead. I do not disagree whether the forum should exist here or not, but rather the manner you come in busting doors left and right only to proclaim Android as king of these forums and who knows what.
I understand your motives and why you feel as you do. I do not take that away from you, neither it's my intention. Its just that everyone has the right to have something, and if Linux was to be added tomorrow, I'd be happier for those who will make the most of it. Even if unrelated as it may be.
I only want to convey the message that one-sided approaches will get alot of people offended. That is all I want you to see.
I respect your opinion, and I feel you bring up a good point. I wish I could help to make that situation better but unfortunately I do not have such knowledge.
But this forum is my home now, as new as it may be it will be of the utmost help to me and perhaps other users.
And I had felt insulted that you accused XDA of selling out (Your home) and that you are trying to take my home away.
I only hope you can be comprehensive of my side as well and that we can both stand in the common ground.
I understand. We don't need a new forum for every version of Windows.. We don't have a forum for every version of Chrome. We don't have a forum for every version of Android. We don't have a forum for every version of OS-X. This is not a XDA OS. It's a Desktop OS. You will not be developing for this platform as an XDA. Obviously paid advertisement
If they have a Windows 8 forum, they need a Ubuntu forum and a OS-X forum. It makes no damn sense except that Microsoft has paid off XDA to promote their operating system. I read a statistic last month that the vast majority of people on this forum were on Android. Yet, somehow Microsoft's OSs are all listed at the top. It's not even alphabetical or in any order. Obviously paid advertisement.
Then stack the fact that the Windows 8 is not even a mobile OS. Microsoft has officially released that mobile and desktop apps will be mutually exclusive because of architecture and battery life. This is not a mobile development platform. Obviously paid advertisement
Microsoft is ****ting on my home. Might as well call it Computer-Developers.com
I mean seriously Microsoft.... How the **** can you make a developer release when the developer tools dont work?
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And somehow get sponsored on a mobile device forum with a Desktop OS..
This is absolute bull****.
Well that's Microsoft. For ya.
Please pardon me as I have been drinking and tend to say thing from the heart.
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I mean seriously Microsoft.... How the **** can you make a developer release when the developer tools dont work?
And somehow get sponsored on a mobile device forum with a Desktop OS..
This is absolute bull****.
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Sent from my unbrickable cappy *bam*
Hey Adam you might wanna calm down. Your childish side is showing
If you can't make a coherent discussion then you do not deserve to even be here at all. I tried to do it differently and you can't even properly answer back.
This discussion is over and I hope that if a mod sees this, just close it or lock it. Anyways, thanks for trying at least, it was entertaining and I hope we meet again.
Take care and have a nice day.
Just the name of the thread had my trollsenses tingling. Great stuff Adam.
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Just the name of the thread had my trollsenses tingling. Great stuff Adam.
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This is not a troll thread. Its blatently obvious why a desktop OS has no place on XDA developers. They have no plan for a mobile version yet.
Dude. Get over it. If you don't like it then don't read the forum. Pretty damn simple.
Really, I'm not joking here.. I've seen this before. Lockergnome used to be reserved for the technically savy until they started the forums and everyone signed up to ask questions. It used to be a series of blogs and a newsletter with quality control. That control is now gone and the articles are just about "cool stuff" that people think is smart. At one point it was technical, now it's artsy.
The thing that keeps this forum prestigious is that it is limited to a certain kind of device. This will open the flood gates for noobs to ask questions about EVERYTHING computer related. Once that starts, we will be tailoring to the masses. The noobs will take over and basically turn the place into another garbage forum like http://www.lockergnome.com/ . It will take 2 years. Mark.
Please, XDA, I urge you.. Contact User Experience Admin Svetius Windows 8 is a desktop OS, not a mobile OS. It is not designed for any mobile device. If you care about the forums, lets try to keep the desktop and laptop stuff out.
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Really, I'm not joking here.. I've seen this before. Lockergnome used to be reserved for the technically savy until they started the forums and everyone signed up to ask questions. It used to be a series of blogs and a newsletter with quality control. That control is now gone and the articles are just about "cool stuff" that people think is smart. At one point it was technical, now it's artsy.
The thing that keeps this forum prestigious is that it is limited to a certain kind of device. This will open the flood gates for noobs to ask questions about EVERYTHING computer related. Once that starts, we will be tailoring to the masses. The noobs will take over and basically turn the place into another garbage forum like http://www.lockergnome.com/ . It will take 2 years. Mark.
Please, XDA, I urge you.. Contact User Experience Admin Svetius Windows 8 is a desktop OS, not a mobile OS. It is not designed for any mobile device. If you care about the forums, lets try to keep the desktop and laptop stuff out.
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I'll kill this argument
Windows 8 is a desktop OS, yep surely is. But it also has ARM support and has ARM support for a pretty long time (since about 7850, which was the January build).
Now what do the majority of phones run? ARM. Windows 8 is on a forum where phones run ARM processors...It's pretty simple the reason
Same reason why the htc tablet (running vista and windows mobile) had its own forum. It's not as if this hasn't occurred before...
Just let it go
This thread is the equivalent on the SIII and SII Forums and not my idea. AntonLiv92 and scarface1991 started the thread to inform people where they can write personal concerns to Samsung, so they will release the source code and proper documentation for Exynos based devices and as you probably all know our Note is based on Samsung`s Exynos 4210 processor.
So as you know the Galaxy Note contains the Exynos 4 chip, which Samsung doesn't provide any up2date documentation of. What they release is kernel source, and a few parts of the platform source that aren't actually modified or really critical. In short, everything in the Platform tarball is stuff that is already in AOSP, and the AOSP version works fine. So our goal is to convince Samsung to release the documentation and sources for the Exynos chip that the developers need so much.
* You are welcome to join the "Polite request to Samsung to release Exynos source code" FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode
Write a request to Samsung asking them to provide proper documentation for the Exynos SoC:
https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos
https://twitter.com/samsungmobile
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile
https://plus.google.com/+SamsungMobile
It is also highly recommended to create inquiry in the OSRC:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
Hope it works! :fingers-crossed:
The Thread in the Forums will inform you people where to contact Samsung, so that we get their attention or as codeworkx said:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
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So our goal is to get Samsung`s attention by writing as many concerns as possible of missing source code to Samsung. Of course it`s also important what you write, so it`s not just a big noob campaign asking for the Source Code. Codeworkx made a list of what is needed:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
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and Entropy512 tweeted to Samsung exynos about:
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos You have been discussing this for over a year with no results... TI and Qualcomm are setting the standard, you are failing.
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos For more specifics on my last tweet: TI has omapzoom, Qualcomm has CodeAurora, you have nothing.
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There are other signs that this might go somewhere, since this concern is reported now on several popular Android-blogs like Androidcentral and sites like XDA Developers, which will lead to even bigger popularity on this issue.
They also contacted the CM team:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
Seems you got korea's attention because of the "flooding" the community is currently doing via opensource.samsung.com. twitter, facebook and so on. They contacted us and we told them again what the community wants to have.
You know that bad press for samsung is our most effective weapon to make things changing.
So if you want to make samsung to continue paying attention, you know what to do...
Fight till you got what you want to have.
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In the Media:
On xda-developers.com
On pocketnow.com
On androidcentral.com
On androidnext.de (Translated vesrion here)
I thought that this thread might me a good idea, since we have one of the biggest userbases on the Android-platform.
Now you guys know what to do
Nice. Tomorrow I'll hit them with everything I've got.
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Beretta93 said:
Nice. Tomorrow I'll hit them with everything I've got.
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Awesome.. Let's do it! The more we do the better.. Btw samsungexynos is really getting it from the community via twitter and facebook.
And @Entropy512 has written lots of strong tweets to them.. Let's support our devs more!
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Good initiative
I am in
This thread deserves a little bump.
C'mon people, take part in this, it is of vital importance.:good:
Great work
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chasmodo said:
This thread deserves a little bump.
C'mon people, take part in this, it is of vital importance.:good:
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Totally! Lets do this! If we want future builds of android , aosp and cm support.. lets get together..
Stand your ground and fight!
Did yesterday and today, let's keep'em on fire.
Great! :good:
Thread in the SII section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
Thread in the SIII section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
I really like how popular this thing gets. Let`s do this people, let`s make this as popular as we can. Great developers like codeworkx and Entropy512 tried it more than once to ask politely for this and Samsung did nothing. They wouldn`t even listen about the serious hard brick kernel bug and they still bringing out unsafe kernels. Now it`s our turn to make them to listen.
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Just send this letter to: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
Dear Samsung,
without a doubt you build the best phones on the market and I really enjoy using the Galaxy SII I9100 but there is a problem. A lot of people like to use mods like the popular CyanogenMod on your flagship
devices. Without the source code and proper documentation great developers like codeworkx who is a device maintainer for Samsung phones at XDA-Developers.com start to turn their back on Samsung
phones like the Galaxy SIII because they are based on the Exynos processor due to the fact that there is a lack of source code and proper documentation. Since developers are the lifeblood of Android it`s
not a good sign to see them leave to other companies who provide proper source code and documentation. Qualcomm and Texas Instruments understand that and they released their source code and
developers are using it to do great things.
With this letter I ask you to release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 and in the best case it should include the following:
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
Thank you for your great phones and I really hope that you will release the above stated things.
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ahalford said:
Did yesterday and today, let's keep'em on fire.
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Awesome!
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I'm in ,let the games begin.....
Of course I'm in. But do they really care about a handful (thousands) of geeks, flashing custom ROMs, compared to millions of sales ?
I hope they'll do.
Cheers, Markus
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Thanks mate!
Yes that is there automated response. Community members are messaging them on that site, and twitter constantly..
Done.
Come on ppl. Be a sport.
Dear Samsung,
This is another request for the release of the source code and proper documentation for the Exynos processors that are currently powering your high end devices. As many of your clients, I choose my smartphones on the basis of their popularity among the developers community, as they have been able to provide high end support for a long time and keep them running smoothly with
the most up-to-date software.
This support does not cost you anything, as you are not paying high skilled programmers to work countless hours on fine tuning and further improving your products. I personally think you are getting a great deal, for little effort on your side.
In order for this to be able to continue and further improve, I would kindly request (as many have already done) if you could speed up your promises and finally release:
Originally Posted by codeworkx:
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
I hope you will not make the same mistake as other manufacturers, that turned their back on the developers community and their sales results suffered as a result of doing that. And as a currently satisfied customer of a Galaxy Note (GT-N7000) I am looking forward to the JB (Android 4.1) update .
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This is my post on their Facebook page, lets hope they'll do something about it .
Thank you for letting me know about this initiative.
Johev, well said--> quote: "I hope you will not make the same mistake as other manufacturers, that turned their back on the developers community and their sales results suffered as a result of doing that."
They do not want sales suffered as HTC, so maybe we will success.
Great Idea!
Did my bit!
Also made a twitter account just to tweet to them
Will do this again tommorow
GG...
Also wrote on their fb wall
Hope theyll listen? *fingers crossed*
Hi androidindian, do you mind if i copy your thread to Note 2 forum? ill give you credit fully...
I just want to spread the wprd but im not very good with my words
Hope you wont mind
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Hi,
I have done some mock-ups of a software store on Ubuntu Phone OS.
Hope you like the screenshots
The only feature that works though is software update button and it just runs a apt-get upgrade.
I was wondering whether there were any development groups for Ubuntu on this forum that I could be a part of?
Anyway... let me know what you think of my work-in-progress software center
Available Software
my-cloudspace.co.uk/36jrgfjAcjY17y4/Available%20Software.png
Installed Software
my-cloudspace.co.uk/Aq1O822UT3ExE7s/Installed%20Software.png
Update Software
my-cloudspace.co.uk/NT2n5v3Ebp849NT/screenshot.png
I havent done ten posts so you'll have to manually view the images...
I have brought a domain called elbuntu projects (elbuntu is my display name on Skype) I will put my projects there over the next week.
Looks real good.
Thanks for the feedback.
Of course it need search, categorises and things but this is a good start.
If your want to show Canonical your work and help with the development
of the real software center you should submit this on the official mailing list.
I am planning to do this when I have perfected the designs... I am implementing the search as we speak and also want to have a app description page with reviews etc... Then I am going to submit the first designs to the mailing list.
Nice. Have a thank!
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elgunvo,
I strongly urge you to subscribe the Ubuntu-Touch mailing list and contact the core app development team if you have not already done so. Volunteering to help with the development of the "Ubuntu-Touch Software-Centre" will quickly get you the contacts who are running those efforts. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone and scroll down to "Mailing List"
Also: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Touch/Contribute
To see what happened with a developer, who was started to creating their own Music app, follow this thread from the mailing list. It ended up as a good news situation for all involved.
https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00744.html
In general there are issues with "perfecting" your design in relative isolation. The Core Developers are encouraged all devs to post your interface designs on line so that your product is both consistent with the Ubuntu-Touch interface and takes full advantage of it.
The best way to do remote, collaborative UX Design:
http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups/mybalsamiq
Examples: https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/proje...sessionid=492036AAA24CBDF5C84D8CC364C67588-n2
From the UDS (Ubuntu Developers Sessions) "Ubuntu Touch Core Apps Project":
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21616/appdev-1303-coreapps/
At ~38:00 is an important design process review by one of the core app development team.
At ~46:30 Wire-frames creation tools used by the core app developers
2) The state of the Ubuntu-Touch Software-Centre is very much in flux. It has not actually been decided as of this week's UDS if debs alone will be used for installations, file system location for app installs (likely /opts) and how Ubuntu-Touch apps will integrate with the Ubuntu's current desktop Software-Centre. It was mentioned a number of times, by the SDK lead, that he felt debs had unnecessary overhead for the installation of apps on devices with limited CPU and power consumption concerns. Within their tight time frames debs maybe their only option.
3) Heavily stressed in the UDS SDK sessions were:
a) Due to the current dynamic nature of the Ubuntu-Touch APIs stick with pure QML as much as possible to reduce the amount of rework you would need to do.
b) At this time cross-compiling C++ apps are problematic with the current SDK
UDS: Ubuntu SDK Tools (this whole video is worth watching as you gain a lot of incite into the current state and direction of Ubuntu-Touch development)
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21625/appdev-1303-ubuntu-sdk-tools/
I hope you find this information helpful.
Doug
Looks very simple and clean, but at the same time it still retains the theme of Ubuntu touch, I love it,
This looks like something that should already exist
Great work, but please share it with Ubuntu community so your proposition could be taken into account for creating complete app market look
Available Software
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Installed Software
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PHONE SLOW CLICK ME?
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"Waiting 4 s4......"- TingTingin"
You may find this relevant.
Extend interoperability between Ubuntu devices further by making the "app store" on Ubuntu phones simply a mobile Software Center:
"As much as the Ubuntu team wants to make Unity work on ALL devices and make all apps conform to the same pattern, using different app stores for different devices is only going to hurt the Ubuntu team in the long run. If there's one OS for all, then there must be one app store for all.
The Ubuntu Software Center is the perfect app store in itself. So let's embrace it no matter what the form factor."
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntuphone-s-mobile-software-center-form-factor
3DSammy said:
You may find this relevant.
Extend interoperability between Ubuntu devices further by making the "app store" on Ubuntu phones simply a mobile Software Center:
"As much as the Ubuntu team wants to make Unity work on ALL devices and make all apps conform to the same pattern, using different app stores for different devices is only going to hurt the Ubuntu team in the long run. If there's one OS for all, then there must be one app store for all.
The Ubuntu Software Center is the perfect app store in itself. So let's embrace it no matter what the form factor."
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntuphone-s-mobile-software-center-form-factor
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Thats what I want to do. There are no plans on creating a QML front end on the phone at the moment so I wanted to start it off. No doubt they would have been doing this sooner or later. I am just trying to push it along.
The other thing is that my software will actually use the same methods used in the Ubuntu Software Centre to install apps and to remove them, The software update section on the software centre I made would combine the Software Update app with The Ubuntu Software Centre app thus getting rid of the need for two apps
BTW, I submitted my idea to the mailing list a while back with new designs but still haven't got a response back. I hope at least i am on the team when they decide to do one
elgunvo,
I also made a post on the mailing and in the IRC #ubuntu-touch channel and did not received a response.
I have been reviewing the majority of videos from last week's UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) and have gleamed some information you may find relevant.
1) The number of challenges just to complete designs, implement, integrate and have a half decent "production" version for the "phone" form factor release of Oct 2013 (v13.10) is mind boggling.
2) They are desperate for the developer community to add apps and take charge. You may even be allowed to lead an effort if you heavily coordinate with the core-app-team which is currently focused on other priorities. I suspect to a certain extent due to bullet point #3 below.
See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute for contribute advise.
3) The state of distributions for device images and even the application file system layout is still in flux. So application installation will be problematic (shift sands) for at least the next several months. Likely no earlier than May 2013 which coincides with the "alpha" or as it is also called the 13.05 release of Ubuntu-Touch.
4) During the UDS session it was mentioned that ALL the Ubuntu-Touch sub-projects are tracked through on-line blueprints on Launchpad which are accessible by the public.
You may be interested in the following information from UDS:
"App Development Community Growth":
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21615/appdev-1303-app-development-community-growth/
Check around the 27:00 mark for the mention of an app contest
Check around the 27:50 mark for the mention of an App developer week for app devs to learn about writing apps and the platform
Also "Ubuntu SDK Days is an online event on Thursday, 14th March and Friday, 15th March where a number of app developers and Ubuntu SDK creators will get you started writing apps for Ubuntu on multiple devices. ":
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays
If you cannot watch the videos live they will be available for viewing after the event just as the UDS sessions are on YouTube.
3DSammy said:
elgunvo,
I also made a post on the mailing and in the IRC #ubuntu-touch channel and did not received a response.
I have been reviewing the majority of videos from last week's UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) and have gleamed some information you may find relevant.
1) The number of challenges just to complete designs, implement, integrate and have a half decent "production" version for the "phone" form factor release of Oct 2013 (v13.10) is mind boggling.
2) They are desperate for the developer community to add apps and take charge. You may even be allowed to lead an effort if you heavily coordinate with the core-app-team which is currently focused on other priorities. I suspect to a certain extent due to bullet point #3 below.
See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute for contribute advise.
3) The state of distributions for device images and even the application file system layout is still in flux. So application installation will be problematic (shift sands) for at least the next several months. Likely no earlier than May 2013 which coincides with the "alpha" or as it is also called the 13.05 release of Ubuntu-Touch.
4) During the UDS session it was mentioned that ALL the Ubuntu-Touch sub-projects are tracked through on-line blueprints on Launchpad which are accessible by the public.
You may be interested in the following information from UDS:
"App Development Community Growth":
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21615/appdev-1303-app-development-community-growth/
Check around the 27:00 mark for the mention of an app contest
Check around the 27:50 mark for the mention of an App developer week for app devs to learn about writing apps and the platform
Also "Ubuntu SDK Days is an online event on Thursday, 14th March and Friday, 15th March where a number of app developers and Ubuntu SDK creators will get you started writing apps for Ubuntu on multiple devices. ":
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays
If you cannot watch the videos live they will be available for viewing after the event just as the UDS sessions are on YouTube.
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Thanks for this info. I will check the videos out tonight and hopefully start a small, organized community of developers who will help me to add the extra apps to Ubuntu Phone.
Your install button look like it's already pressed btw, nice design, like it !
New UI
Hi All,
I have done a better ui for the App Store.
Youtube Video of the UI can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqzlF8qPTy8
Hope you like it and feel free to give suggestions
elgunvo,
Watched the video and really like the direction you are taking. I am also glad you are coordinating with the Canonical developers.
This looks great.
This looks awesome!
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app