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How do we get HTC to release the EVO source code faster?

Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
Per zonyl on page 2:
I managed to get Linux source for the Sharp Zaurus within a week and a half and Im sure following the same playbook will speed up the process with HTC as well. Hopefully I will have some time next week to do this, but the more the merrier! The more people call and contact legal the more attention it will get.
The plan:
- Call HTC corporate
HTC America
13920 SE Eastgate Way, Suite 400
Bellevue, Washington 98005
Tel: 425-679-5318
- Ask for representative in Legal Department (Tell them it is regarding potential litigation)
- Get legal representative's contact information before or immediately after being transferred.
- Politely ask for disclosure of GPL/Linux source code per section 3 of the GPL for the device they manufactured and that you purchased. (You may need to explain a little as they generally have no idea what this is. Doesnt matter much though as they still wont understand but make sure you explain its something that their engineering folks are liable for)
- Give them the GPL (by fax) http://www.linux.org/info/gnu.html The license is even on the phone itself (Menu->Settings->About Phone->Legal Information->Open Source). Scroll down and you will see the linux kernel GPL
- Give them a written request (by fax) "Dear Sir or Madam, ..... Requesting Source for my product in compliance with GPL Section 3-a ... Thank you...."
- They will tell you they need some time to figure it out.... Give them about a week and call back (they will try to ignore you on the first call in hopes you go away)
- Call back using the representatives contact info. Ask them for the status.
- If they are stalling ask for the legal address to list as a defendant on a lawsuit for breach of contract and will be demanding "An Order of Specific Performance" to release the code. (BE POLITE! BUT FIRM) (This will definitely get their attention!)
- Wait a few days. Someone from engineering with a foreign accent will call you with information on when / where the source will be released.
- If this doesnt get anywhere, we can talk about the process of starting a lawsuit without paying lawyer. When HTC is served legal papers for discovery, Im pretty sure they will comply.
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lolz mclollerson said:
Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
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It seems no amount of begging ever makes them release code faster. Even legal threats failed before (not for the Evo, but its the same thing)
They know they have to release it by this point. They will do it, but on their own schedule. Pushing them to do it sooner hasn't gotten us anywhere before & I don't see it helping here either.

Damn, that's pretty disappointing.
Thanks for the heads up. :-/

I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.

gman8966 said:
I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.
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Of course they will release it, the GPL requires them to do so. But then again they are already violating it every day they don't release it, so maybe they will just say f*ck it.

Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.

midri said:
Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.
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Why do people always come up with this?
You have no standing to sue anyone over this. Copyright holders in the Linux kernel, *they* have standing to sue someone over this.
The GPL says they have to make the source available, but it's not for you to use legal means to force them to do it.
Class action? Who's the affected class? The people who bought the Evo? Not hardly.

A class action that will hurt HTC? make them reconsider releasing Android phones? you might get a short term benefit of getting source code (well, not really, since the law suit will take longer) but in the long term, the Android community will just lose one of it's biggest supporters

I really think sprint is to blame for this you notice all of the source is availed for just about every other phone except the .29 heroc kernel and the evo kernel makes ya wonder if they are playing a part

If the source isn't out by my 30 days (7/6), it's going back. There's no excuse for being so cavalier with copyrights. Ironic considering they just launched a legal campaign against Shipped ROMs.

What we need is for a high profile e-zine to write an article.
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What we need is for HTC to stop acting like Apple just because they finally have a phone that can compete with the iPhone. I don't care if this damn thing files my taxes and makes breakfast for me, if they can't respect the GPL they sure as hell aren't going to keep a cent of my money.

I've contacted HTC and Sprint... not luck... you can search my posts if you really want to read the responses.... I even contacted the FSF (I think they are the copyright holders for Linux Kernel for Linus) and no response from them... so eh yeah we just wait

Apparently you didnt have a Hero. The only thing you can do is wait...

What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.

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What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.
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+1 for this

How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?

caryroberts1 said:
How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?
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3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.

PikkonX said:
3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.
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That just makes me even more angry.

I have obtained some super secretive information that can help us get the edge. Through hours of undercover work and social engineering I have discovered that the HTC Engineers are partial to Ben & Jerry's Half Baked ice cream.
I urge all of you to start a letter writing campaign to Ben & Jerry's urging them to exchange 10 pallets of ice cream for the source code. If we can't convince Ben & Jerry's that our charity is worthwhile, then we need to start raising money to buy it ourselves.
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I've never asked this forum for anything, but I am asking now..

lets get the kernel source

Htc must release the source in a timely matter, not just for us, but all devices out, and future ones coming. The best way to do this imo is not to start a big fire and smoke them out per say, but to go though proper channels. Obviously emailing them is having no effect, 120 days is not timely, I mean in 120 days this device will be outdated technically.
Imo this is the proper channel: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
Go there, read their page and then email them. Here is the letter I sent to the. Subject, "htc again, this time the vision" :
"I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. As I'm sure your aware from other devices they released, ie desire, they are not releasing kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire it has been over 3 months and to my knowledge is still not released, however my complaint today is about the htc vision, known in the usa as the G2. This product was offically released on oct. 6 2010, with no source code available. When contacted about it, they said it will be 90-120 days before its available. Maybe I'm wrong, but as my interpertations of the gpl this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely.
Thank you for your help!
Keep open source open!"
edit: 4:45 pm est 10-09-10
here is their response:
"We heard you. In fact, we got the message seven times
We have already been in contact with HTC and they have heard the message
loud and clear. I have no idea when it will be fixed though
armijn"

fastludeh22 said:
Htc must release the source in a timely matter, not just for us, but all devices out, and future ones coming. The best way to do this imo is not to start a big fire and smoke them out per say, but to go though proper channels. Obviously emailing them is having no effect, 120 days is not timely, I mean in 120 days this device will be outdated technically.
Imo this is the proper channel: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
Go there, read their page and then email them. Here is the letter I sent to the. Subject, "htc again, this time the vision" :
"I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. As I'm sure your aware from other devices they released, ie desire, they are not releasing kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire it has been over 3 months and to my knowledge is still not released, however my complaint today is about the htc vision, known in the usa as the G2. This product was offically released on oct. 6 2010, with no source code available. When contacted about it, they said it will be 90-120 days before its available. Maybe I'm wrong, but as my interpertations of the gpl this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely.
Thank you for your help!
Keep open source open!"
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No offense, but perhaps you should have someone proofread your letter first. There are a number of grammatical errors in there. If you're posting in the boards, people just don't care, but YOU should care if you're sending a letter that is supposed to be accepted as intelligent and factual.
I can't stress this enough. I know a guy that does AMAZING web-design, but never gets hired(without me as an intermediary anyways) because his grammar and spelling is horrible. He miss-spells every other word, uses many words out of context, and rarely uses proper punctuation and capitalization.
This is not a rant and rave, but if you'd like a regulatory entity to take you seriously, it's in your best interest to put your best foot forward and proofread.
Sorry if this comes off as 'complainy', but if you're going to represent a community as a whole, i.e. xda or developers entirely, just do so gracefully.

InGeNeTiCs said:
No offense, but perhaps you should have someone proofread your letter first. There are a number of grammatical errors in there. If you're posting in the boards, people just don't care, but YOU should care if you're sending a letter that is supposed to be accepted as intelligent and factual.
I can't stress this enough. I know a guy that does AMAZING web-design, but never gets hired(without me as an intermediary anyways) because his grammar and spelling is horrible. He miss-spells every other word, uses many words out of context, and rarely uses proper punctuation and capitalization.
This is not a rant and rave, but if you'd like a regulatory entity to take you seriously, it's in your best interest to put your best foot forward and proofread.
Sorry if this comes off as 'complainy', but if you're going to represent a community as a whole, i.e. xda or developers entirely, just do so gracefully.
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well, you are right. maybe i shouldnt have done it lying in bed from my phone. so do US a favor and send a better one...
when re-reading it, i noticed 1 run on sentence. could you point out the other errors for me so i can improve my writing skills...

Mistakes marked as bold, corrections in parentheses. Also, some word changes made to make it sound like an adult wrote it
I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. Formal letters to companies should begin "To Whom It May Concern: As I'm sure your (you're) aware from other devices they have released, ie (i.e.) desire (the Desire), they are not releasing (htc has not been releasing) kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire (Desire,) it has been over 3 months (since the device was released) and to my knowledge is still not released, (and, to my knowledge, the kernel remains unreleased.) however my complaint today (However, my complaint today) is about (in regards to) the htc vision (Vision), known in the usa (USA) as the G2. This product was offically (officially) released on oct. 6 2010 (Oct. 6, 2010), with no source code available. When contacted about it (contacted regarding this), they (htc) said (that) it will (would) be 90-120 days before its (the code [or source code] is made) available. Maybe (perhaps) I'm wrong (mistaken), but(,) as my interpertations of the gpl according to my interpretation of GPL,) this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely. (Horrible closing sentence and "commercially" is misspelled and I believe you meant "purposefully")
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damn, i guess thats why i was always better at math, lol. i should have re-read it before sending it half asleep, but enough with the excuses. i see your point and that does sound better, HOWEVER, guess it was good enough for them, here is their response...
*also thanks to whoever else has sent, or will be sending emails to the proper channels
"We heard you. In fact, we got the message seven times
We have already been in contact with HTC and they have heard the message
loud and clear. I have no idea when it will be fixed though
armijn"

great idea -- sent this (edited and worded in my way, dont give a **** if its grammertikally inkorrect) from 6 gmails 3 yahoos 1 hotmail, one rocketmail, an earthlink, a comcast and a tmo.mail. and my law firm email, and just for hell, I faxed off a few to HTC Tmobile and to Apache on law firm letterhead (basic courtesy of notification) that how pissed i am -- this phone should have been delivered to us with first option after initial boot
"Hello dear customer, would you like to void your warranty right now and proceed to data wipe of our clunky bloaty bull****!!!!"
arrrgh

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i'm sorry,i just had to

Wow...
That's all I really have to say about this thread...
Sent from my HTC Vision

"To whom it may pertain to...
Just purchased a HTC T-mobile G2 aka HTC Vision and have been a avid HTC supporter for quite sometime. Ever since I owned my first HTC device the codenamed blueangel. The fact that HTC would work with the developer community pulled me toward your devices. I can't believe you guys (HTC) would lock down the successor to the device that helped you start the "open" revolution. I know it was most probably T-mobile that made you do it but that is besides the point. Especially since they have blamed you in the press. You have spit it the face of the developer community and shame on you and T-mobile. This protection will be broken I have no doubt of that but the fact that HTC put it there at all is what is in question. Please don't make this a race of protection...hack...protection...hack. OPEN means we should work together not against each other. So please do the right thing and help us either root these devices or give us the kernel source to help us along. Or even better do both of the above and show you respect the dev community like we all thought you did. Below I have included the first post of a stream that will become a torrent against HTC from the XDA devs.
Thanks for your cooperation."
Message I just sent HTC with a copy of the first post here. Don't care about grammar and neither will they if they receive enough complaints. We get enough people involved in this and it gets engadget or another blogs attention then maybe they will listen. This might be our only option considering the thinktank threads have gotten kinda quiet.

We cannot comment on whether or not HTC has blocked any customer from rooting or hacking their phone.
Rooting the phone may open the phone up to virus attacks and other un-secure activities, as well as introduce intended functionality, and as such is very difficult for us to support.
We cannot comment on whether or not HTC, Google, or T-Mobile has blocked any customer from rooting or hacking their phone.
All three companies work very closely to bring you the best experience on the phone possible.
I do understand how important it is to be able to use your device to the best of its capabilities.
We are not withholding the kernel; we are currently working through the legal channels that we must go through to make the kernel available to you. Each product is individually under review.
When the kernel is available, you will be able to find it on developer.htc.com. I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced, and thank you for your patience in this matter.
You can contact HTC Technical Support via telephone by calling 866.449.8658 between 6AM – 1AM EST, seven days a week.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 10USCW42ENA000115.
Sincerely,
Sarah
HTC
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That was a quick generic response. boo...hiss...

My reply to HTC
I understand the position of HTC to not comment on the situation at hand even though it has already been outed in the press by T-mobile that HTC did indeed lock the phone. So either you are saying that the T-mobile press release was a hoax and HTC did nothing with write protection or HTC just want's the problem to go away. As far as not wanting us to root because of unsafe activities.... Well I don't even know where to start with that comment. We are all big boys and girls and can handle the effect of our actions. It's like saying Toyota installed a system in my car that will only let a certified technician open the hood because I may insert washer fluid into the engine instead of oil. Most companies would love it if you would void your warranty. Does it not lead to less operating cost for HTC in the long run to not support it's products because the warranties are void? You don't want me to void my warranty then do as the GPS companies do and make a disclaimer that I have to read and agree to before I go any further. Also on the subject of voiding warranties did HTC not say that G2 had 4gb's of internal storage? Yet only 1.2gb are available for use because of this lock? Back to the car analogies. If Ford says your car has 200 horse power in the brochure and (AFTER!!!!) you buy it you learn that only 50 horse power is unlocked you might be a little angry. No? I understand the position of all big companies is to play dumb until something either is forgotten or legal channels make them play smart but I do have to say that I did not expect this out of HTC. This post isn't directed at you Sarah but merely my G2 and thousands of others crippled devices. If you could pass this and my prior message to someone higher up that might at least read it and think it over it would be greatly appreciated.
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Evo ex DEV “TrevE” Hit With Cease & Desist new update CIQ has thrown in the flag :)

Evo ex DEV “TrevE” Hit With Cease & Desist new update CIQ has thrown in the flag
For a refresher, back in October a user over at the XDA forums came across a major security flaw on HTC devices which allowed for the tracking and recording of every use of your phone through certain app permissions. Since then, HTC released pressers that acknowledged the issue and that they would have fixes. Better yet, they said that no data had been stolen by any users and that HTC’s people were on the case to fix the problem. Unfortunately, nothing ever seems to end on a good note.
After his initial findings, research then led Trevor Eckhart to CarrierIQ. That company, has now issued a cease and desist to the Mr. Eckhart for the research he published on their software. CarrierIQ claims that “TrevE” reproduced copyrighted Training Material and made “false allegations” about their software’s purposes. And this is not just a slight slap on the wrist. CarrierIQ wants Mr. Eckhart to issue a formal announcement that shows that what CarrierIQ is doing is completely normal, and is in no way a vulnerability to users.
It’s almost scary to read these C&D letters as if you are the person it is addressed to. Of course, if Mr. Eckhart does not stop his research and retract all previous posts and articles showing CarrierIQ’s software at work, then there will be legal ramifications. Luckily, there is a good shot at the good guys coming out on top. Echkhart reached out to the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) for legal counsel and they feel that CarrierIQ’s claims are pretty much bologna.
We have now had a chance to review your allegations against our client, and have concluded that they are entirely baseless. Mr. Eckhart used and made available these materials in order to educate consumers and security researchers about the functionality of your software, which he believes raises substantial privacy concerns. Mr. Eckhart’s legitimate and truthful research is sheltered by both the fair use doctrine and the First Amendment.
I have felt that Eckhart’s research was for the greater good of the consumer and was most definitely just a,”Hey, watch out for this type of thing,” then an actual attack on CarrierIQ. I could be wrong, but I feel that the research done was in good heart. What do you all think? Will the first amendment save this guy from an ugly court hearing?
Source:http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/2...esist-for-researching-security-vulnerability/
*UPDATE* there is a online petition please if u support reve go sign it
http://www.change.org/petitions/your-phone-is-collecting-data-about-you
*update* Carrier IQ withdraws 'misguided' cease-and-desist letter, apologizes to security advocate TrevE by Phil Nicki
Source: http://www.androidcentral.com/carri...ogizes-security-advocate-treve?style_mobile=0

So he finds a big security flaw that exposes every HTC phone and they wanted him not to say anything bull**** HTC

Reminds me of Sony BMG and their distribution of XCP and MediaMax rootkits they distributed on millions CDs in 2005 and wanted everything hush..hush..made excuses and so on.
Just part of the reason they paid a heavy price recently.

I back trev 1000%. These big companies thought they could be dirty and get away with it. I believe they knew what they were doing and did it on purpose thinking that the normal dumb user would never find out about it. So when someone brighter than them figures it out and releases it for the masses to read and see for themselves they get all worried and try to use scare tactics to cover up their illegal activity. If you ask me i believe trev should go to court and expose them for the crooks they r.

We may have to start taking up a legal fee fund for Trevor. Go Trev go!
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I have felt that Eckhart’s research was for the greater good of the consumer and was most definitely just a,”Hey, watch out for this type of thing,” then an actual attack on CarrierIQ. I could be wrong, but I feel that the research done was in good heart. What do you all think? Will the first amendment save this guy from an ugly court hearing?
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I agree, I feel his research has been for the greater good and education of
the end users of these products, and not just the HTC users. I assume that
this kind of software is on every smartphone, regardless of manufacturer or
operating system.
I don't even directly blame CarrierIQ for their spyware. I blame the carriers
themselves. They're just providing a service that the carriers all want, and
the carriers are basically bullying the manufacturers into installing this crap
into the devices. I don't think any of the manufacturers would willingly spend
their time and resources to install, configure, test, and debug these types of
applications and services if the carriers didn't 'require' it in the first place.
Not saying that any of the above are really innocent, but, blame should start
at the source. CarrierIQ's business model and product would definitely be
different if the carriers didn't create the demand in the first place.
I'll support TrevE any way I can.

The first amendment is quite limited by other laws that cover it. Imagine a mess of papers on a desk, the desk is the first amendment, which is obvious to anyone that is in the room, but each paper obscures the desk more and more, making it harder to clarify what the desk really looks like.... Sure there is the desk, black and white, but this "desk" is on the WORLD WIDE WEB, which, consequentially can make this a very, very controversial case.. As for CarrierIQ.... that was also found on my old Samsung Epic 4G and there have been roms that disable it since early this year out for it... There was even a huge post explaining what CarrierIQ is... so when I saw it here on the EVO 4G forums, I wasn't surprised. However, this lawsuit does surprise a lot... The "Ex DEV" as you say could come up on top... if he has enough funding, because he is RIGHT to do what he did... but whether its legal or not... thats another question. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's right.

looks like CIQ is trying to say there not any harm to our phones bull**** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofHr8Lv5cNk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

auau465121 said:
looks like CIQ is trying to say there not any harm to our phones bull**** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofHr8Lv5cNk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Lmfao comments r disabled for the video. Go figure they don't want to be called out even more

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Lmfao comments r disabled for the video. Go figure they don't want to be called out even more
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Yeah they were smart about that cause I was definitely going to let them have it
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auau465121 said:
Yeah they were smart about that cause I was definitely going to let them have it
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Yeah me too. Little ****s

The **** there doing to him is making them seem even more shady. They want him to stop because he prob hasn't even scratched the surface. I hope he uncovers the real story behind their bull****. I'm sending them a nice message rite now.

Watched the video and eye movement alone told me alot
Article on what it alledgedly does and collection process

devnulldroid said:
Watched the video and eye movement alone told me alot
Article on what it alledgedly does and collection process
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I watched the video and I agree with you, the eye contact made it seem like they're full of it!
They should of hired Tom Hanks or something, maybe I would of believed them..haha
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I'm all for that, wondering the same thing myself.
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We may have to start taking up a legal fee fund for Trevor. Go Trev go!
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online petition please go sign and support treve

Signed away. Ive talked to Trev a couple of times. Sux what is going on!!! Wish I was lawyer and help him and give full support.

OTA IP and other info is 204.235.122.129 along with More info

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auau465121 said:
online petition please go sign and support treve
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URL?
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It's in the first post labeled update
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[IMPORTANT] Make Samsung release "Exynos" sources!

This thread is the equivalent on the SIII and SII Forums and not my idea. AntonLiv92 and scarface1991 started the thread to inform people where they can write personal concerns to Samsung, so they will release the source code and proper documentation for Exynos based devices and as you probably all know our Note is based on Samsung`s Exynos 4210 processor.
So as you know the Galaxy Note contains the Exynos 4 chip, which Samsung doesn't provide any up2date documentation of. What they release is kernel source, and a few parts of the platform source that aren't actually modified or really critical. In short, everything in the Platform tarball is stuff that is already in AOSP, and the AOSP version works fine. So our goal is to convince Samsung to release the documentation and sources for the Exynos chip that the developers need so much.
* You are welcome to join the "Polite request to Samsung to release Exynos source code" FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode
Write a request to Samsung asking them to provide proper documentation for the Exynos SoC:
https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos
https://twitter.com/samsungmobile
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile
https://plus.google.com/+SamsungMobile
It is also highly recommended to create inquiry in the OSRC:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
Hope it works! :fingers-crossed:
The Thread in the Forums will inform you people where to contact Samsung, so that we get their attention or as codeworkx said:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something
If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.
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So our goal is to get Samsung`s attention by writing as many concerns as possible of missing source code to Samsung. Of course it`s also important what you write, so it`s not just a big noob campaign asking for the Source Code. Codeworkx made a list of what is needed:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
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and Entropy512 tweeted to Samsung exynos about:
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos You have been discussing this for over a year with no results... TI and Qualcomm are setting the standard, you are failing.
@Entropy512
@SamsungExynos For more specifics on my last tweet: TI has omapzoom, Qualcomm has CodeAurora, you have nothing.
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There are other signs that this might go somewhere, since this concern is reported now on several popular Android-blogs like Androidcentral and sites like XDA Developers, which will lead to even bigger popularity on this issue.
They also contacted the CM team:
Originally Posted by codeworkx
Seems you got korea's attention because of the "flooding" the community is currently doing via opensource.samsung.com. twitter, facebook and so on. They contacted us and we told them again what the community wants to have.
You know that bad press for samsung is our most effective weapon to make things changing.
So if you want to make samsung to continue paying attention, you know what to do...
Fight till you got what you want to have.
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In the Media:
On xda-developers.com
On pocketnow.com
On androidcentral.com
On androidnext.de (Translated vesrion here)
I thought that this thread might me a good idea, since we have one of the biggest userbases on the Android-platform.
Now you guys know what to do

Nice. Tomorrow I'll hit them with everything I've got.
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Beretta93 said:
Nice. Tomorrow I'll hit them with everything I've got.
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Awesome.. Let's do it! The more we do the better.. Btw samsungexynos is really getting it from the community via twitter and facebook.
And @Entropy512 has written lots of strong tweets to them.. Let's support our devs more!
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Good initiative
I am in

This thread deserves a little bump.
C'mon people, take part in this, it is of vital importance.:good:

Great work
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chasmodo said:
This thread deserves a little bump.
C'mon people, take part in this, it is of vital importance.:good:
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Totally! Lets do this! If we want future builds of android , aosp and cm support.. lets get together..

Stand your ground and fight!

Did yesterday and today, let's keep'em on fire.

Great! :good:
Thread in the SII section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
Thread in the SIII section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
I really like how popular this thing gets. Let`s do this people, let`s make this as popular as we can. Great developers like codeworkx and Entropy512 tried it more than once to ask politely for this and Samsung did nothing. They wouldn`t even listen about the serious hard brick kernel bug and they still bringing out unsafe kernels. Now it`s our turn to make them to listen.
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Just send this letter to: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry
Dear Samsung,
without a doubt you build the best phones on the market and I really enjoy using the Galaxy SII I9100 but there is a problem. A lot of people like to use mods like the popular CyanogenMod on your flagship
devices. Without the source code and proper documentation great developers like codeworkx who is a device maintainer for Samsung phones at XDA-Developers.com start to turn their back on Samsung
phones like the Galaxy SIII because they are based on the Exynos processor due to the fact that there is a lack of source code and proper documentation. Since developers are the lifeblood of Android it`s
not a good sign to see them leave to other companies who provide proper source code and documentation. Qualcomm and Texas Instruments understand that and they released their source code and
developers are using it to do great things.
With this letter I ask you to release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 and in the best case it should include the following:
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
Thank you for your great phones and I really hope that you will release the above stated things.
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ahalford said:
Did yesterday and today, let's keep'em on fire.
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Awesome!
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I'm in ,let the games begin.....

Of course I'm in. But do they really care about a handful (thousands) of geeks, flashing custom ROMs, compared to millions of sales ?
I hope they'll do.
Cheers, Markus

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Thanks mate!
Yes that is there automated response. Community members are messaging them on that site, and twitter constantly..

Done.
Come on ppl. Be a sport.

Dear Samsung,
This is another request for the release of the source code and proper documentation for the Exynos processors that are currently powering your high end devices. As many of your clients, I choose my smartphones on the basis of their popularity among the developers community, as they have been able to provide high end support for a long time and keep them running smoothly with
the most up-to-date software.
This support does not cost you anything, as you are not paying high skilled programmers to work countless hours on fine tuning and further improving your products. I personally think you are getting a great deal, for little effort on your side.
In order for this to be able to continue and further improve, I would kindly request (as many have already done) if you could speed up your promises and finally release:
Originally Posted by codeworkx:
- git repos
- commit history
- release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
- up2date reference code for their video interfaces
- up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
- up2date reference audio hal
- up2date reference hardwarecomposer
- patches needed for android framework (platform support)
- gralloc if possible
- maybe hdmi?
- maybe fmradio?
I hope you will not make the same mistake as other manufacturers, that turned their back on the developers community and their sales results suffered as a result of doing that. And as a currently satisfied customer of a Galaxy Note (GT-N7000) I am looking forward to the JB (Android 4.1) update .
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This is my post on their Facebook page, lets hope they'll do something about it .
Thank you for letting me know about this initiative.

Johev, well said--> quote: "I hope you will not make the same mistake as other manufacturers, that turned their back on the developers community and their sales results suffered as a result of doing that."
They do not want sales suffered as HTC, so maybe we will success.

Great Idea!
Did my bit!

Also made a twitter account just to tweet to them
Will do this again tommorow
GG...
Also wrote on their fb wall
Hope theyll listen? *fingers crossed*
Hi androidindian, do you mind if i copy your thread to Note 2 forum? ill give you credit fully...
I just want to spread the wprd but im not very good with my words
Hope you wont mind
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[warning] do not use bule's rom(s)

Hello XDA,
UPDATE: According to @tripper22's post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69081495&postcount=24
The email app keylogger was found in this rom. http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&sh...ost&p=52869559 The authors are nofearnohappy , LazyC0DEr , Anomalchik and bule according to that post. The rom with the email keylogger has been identified. It does't mean all of Bules roms have keylogger.
This is a warning that should prevent you all from getting hijacked.
As mentioned by @emlo16 already it seems like Bule has malware in his ROMs.
Post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65684676&postcount=59
Another one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65685494&postcount=62
Screenshot of Google telling me someone knows my password:
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(It's German but based on the symbols (..) you might recognize what is shown)
For myself I have been hijacked while using his ROM and while using his Email app which was a BULE build.
Details to the attackers:
IP Adress: 240e:cc:b:7d2a:24c5:9fab:90a6:3008
Country: CHINA (CN)
Adress: 100 Xian Dao, Tongwei Xian, Dingxi Shi, Gansu Sheng, China
Next day someone tried to access my Google account again.
IP Adress: 39.177.140.63
AGAIN a Chinese adress. Seems like my data got sold.
What I recommend to everyone who used a ROM from BULE:
1) Change ALL of your passwords
2) Enable Two-step verification if possible
3) Share this thread to possible users who use a build from Bule too or warn them.
I hope I was able to help a few of you all. This is just a part that I and others have discovered, there might be even more. Bule could for example also easily sell the data or your IMEI to replica producers.
Keep care of yourself

Thank you for warning everyone Now please @eagleeyetom or other mods pin this thread and everyone reports posts/threads with his roms to mod to delete.

Jawor245 said:
Thank you for warning everyone Now please @eagleeyetom or other mods pin this thread and everyone reports posts/threads with his roms to mod to delete.
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I won't pin this thread for now, but I'll bump it with my post. It's a well-known fact that some ROMs are fishy at the least. I strongly advise users to think before installing everything. This thread should serve a nice warning role.

Thanks for the notice. I an having issues with Daniel ROM and was going to flash Bule CM. Will look for another safe ROM.

My two cents: once you clean off chinese bloatware (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68603820&postcount=16) and check (and eventually delete) for malicious ckservice.apk (http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-2/help/ckservice-apk-malicious-baidu-app-t3325081), Bule's ROMs are ok for safe use: you can monitor 'weird' movements through Wakelock Detector (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uzumapps.wakelockdetector) as well through Amplify (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ryansteckler.nlpunbounce) and Disable Service app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice).
I don't use Email apk, actually it's frozen - I use gmail (with two-step verification).
I'm on Bule's CM 12.1 - 8th August 2016 and after 'the purge' it works perfectly and 'clean', as far as I can check.

I have been using Bule's roms for awhile now. I uninstall all the Chinese apps. I don't use the email app. Like @oldslowdiver I use the gmail app. I scan my phones with an antivirus after every install. Nothing has ever come up with any of Bule's roms and I have tried Mokee, SudaMod, Blisspop and CM. I am currently using CM and it works great. Maybe something is being done before it gets upped to a mirror? I upload exactly what I download of course. A lot of people use his roms. He's supposed to be a respected developer that has done a lot for the RN2. Why would he ruin his reputation by including a malicious app? It just doesn't make sense.
I am no expert. But a lot of people use his roms. If his roms were truly malicious you would be hearing about this kind of thing over and over again, and I am paranoid enough about these kinds of things to begin with.

tripper22 said:
I have been using Bule's roms for awhile now. I uninstall all the Chinese apps. I don't use the email app. Like @oldslowdiver I use the gmail app. I scan my phones with an antivirus after every install. Nothing has ever come up with any of Bule's roms and I have tried Mokee, SudaMod, Blisspop and CM. I am currently using CM and it works great. Maybe something is being done before it gets upped to a mirror? I upload exactly what I download of course. A lot of people use his roms. He's supposed to be a respected developer that has done a lot for the RN2. Why would he ruin his reputation by including a malicious app? It just doesn't make sense.
I am no expert. But a lot of people use his roms. If his roms were truly malicious you would be hearing about this kind of thing over and over again, and I am paranoid enough about these kinds of things to begin with.
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A better question would be: Why would he do that much work without getting something back? You can easily go ahead and gain trust of people, collect positive reputation and just go ahead and ruin everything.

StrangerRandomA said:
A better question would be: Why would he do that much work without getting something back? You can easily go ahead and gain trust of people, collect positive reputation and just go ahead and ruin everything.
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Perhaps he's been hacked?

oldslowdiver said:
My two cents: once you clean off chinese bloatware (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68603820&postcount=16) and check (and eventually delete) for malicious ckservice.apk (http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-2/help/ckservice-apk-malicious-baidu-app-t3325081), Bule's ROMs are ok for safe use: you can monitor 'weird' movements through Wakelock Detector (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uzumapps.wakelockdetector) as well through Amplify (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ryansteckler.nlpunbounce) and Disable Service app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice).
I don't use Email apk, actually it's frozen - I use gmail (with two-step verification).
I'm on Bule's CM 12.1 - 8th August 2016 and after 'the purge' it works perfectly and 'clean', as far as I can check.
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This. With a clean on first boot deleting a few apks before going online the rom works perfect.

DarthJabba9 said:
Perhaps he's been hacked?
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So the guy who hacked Bule had access to my phone. Seems quite serious.
It was an email build with a custom version from Bule and it was his ROM without any modifications.
Although based on this acknowledge I do not trust him anymore and I just wanted to share my thoughts and the based off others.
"Just clean it" does not mean the ROM is fully cleaned.

StrangerRandomA said:
A better question would be: Why would he do that much work without getting something back? You can easily go ahead and gain trust of people, collect positive reputation and just go ahead and ruin everything.
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You could ask the same question of any hardworking developer. There are many in this forum.
No one else has reported what you have reported. Like I said in my previous post. If Bule was truly a malicious developer trying to steal everybody's Gmail password, everyone else including me would have many warnings from Google. This would be BIG news in this forum.

tripper22 said:
You could ask the same question of any hardworking developer. There are many in this forum.
No one else has reported what you have reported. Like I said in my previous post. If Bule was truly a malicious developer trying to steal everybody's Gmail password, everyone else including me would have many warnings from Google. This would be BIG news in this forum.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65684676&postcount=59
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65685494&postcount=62
Indeed nobody reported it yet.
A few reasons could be that the ROM is pretty new and (probably) hasn't been discovered.
But I do not want to spread **** against a developer, as mentioned already, I want to warn other users with the experience I HAD with the new Marshmallow Build and the custom email version Bule offered.

StrangerRandomA said:
So the guy who hacked Bule had access to my phone. Seems quite serious.
It was an email build with a custom version from Bule and it was his ROM without any modifications.
Although based on this acknowledge I do not trust him anymore and I just wanted to share my thoughts and the based off others.
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That's fine, and you are absolutely right to share your experience. But unless you compare a checksum of what you have with that inside the ROM, you can never be sure that there has been no interception. Anything is possible in this techie world.

DarthJabba9 said:
That's fine, and you are absolutely right to share your experience. But unless you compare a checksum of what you have with that inside the ROM, you can never be sure that there has been no interception. Anything is possible in this techie world.
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I'd like to decompile the Email app from Bule if someone sends me a ROM link (Please a mirror f. E. mega.co.nz) via Pm.

StrangerRandomA said:
I'd like to decompile the Email app from Bule if someone sends me a ROM link (Please a mirror f. E. mega.co.nz) via Pm.
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Maybe someone else wants to help out. I do not have those skills.
Lollipop
http://forum.xda-developers.com/red...les-current-lollipop-5-1-1-roms-2016-t3457758
Marshmallow
https://mega.nz/#!KgZmEQ7A!qaPxpU6qqe3bGqdryWTS2kXJsCP8X1h1pQHkZBbNjJ8
Marshmallow Update
https://mega.nz/#!qwowyaJS!3HoILZBGmToV1P7ug1Wumjs0kjQSTU5gg6T4BW3sHFA

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im not sure, but someone has been success with this hoax issues

pian31 said:
im not sure, but someone has been success with this hoax issues
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If you mean this is fake test it by your own. Maybe he noticed that a few people detected that he hijacks accounts and stopped doing it or whoever it was but there are facts that Bule or other people who uploaded Bule's ROMs infected it with Malware.

StrangerRandomA said:
If you mean this is fake test it by your own. Maybe he noticed that a few people detected that he hijacks accounts and stopped doing it or whoever it was but there are facts that Bule or other people who uploaded Bule's ROMs infected it with Malware.
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A few people? Who? It's just you so far. Where are these provable facts? To make it a fact you have to provide evidence that proves your assertion. The fact that you were contacted by Google doesn't prove anything. There are many reasons why that could happen. I have been watching to see if anyone claims what you have claimed using Bule's rom. So far nothing.
Did you examine the email app? Have you found anything malicious?

tripper22 said:
A few people? Who? It's just you so far. Where are these provable facts? To make it a fact you have to provide evidence that proves your assertion. The fact that you were contacted by Google doesn't prove anything. There are many reasons why that could happen. I have been watching to see if anyone claims what you have claimed using Bule's rom. So far nothing.
Did you examine the email app? Have you found anything malicious?
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Kindly recheck the first post and I'm currently downloading the ROM.