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I was just wondering how useful and comfortable people find the Nexus 7 when using it to read ebooks? Seeing as the device is not much more expensive than your basic Kindle it seems like a bit of a bargain considering everything else it can do.
Obviously the screen won't be as good for reading as an e-ink screen, but do people find it ok to read for long periods of time without it getting uncomfortable or getting eyestrain from a back lit screen?
I have no problem reading wth it.
More comfortable than my old nook color was...
I've not noticed any more eyestrain vs. my Nook (original version). I still use my Nook when I'm reading outside in direct sunlight, because of course nothing beats e-ink in those conditions. The N7 is only barely usable then.
Another "problem" with the N7 as an ebook reader is that it takes a bit of willpower to keep reading. Notifications pop up, and the temptation is always there to do other things. So, the Nook isolates reading, and if I _need_ to finish something, I'll use the Nook.
But if you mostly read indoors and have good willpower, then the N7 is a great device for reading. It's taken over from my iPad 3, which used to be my favorite because the text is so excellent. Of course, the N7 is so much smaller and lighter and thus more comfortable, and text is plenty sharp enough.
Great as an ebook reader. For PDF's, it's not great mainly because of screen real estate. Still usable but text is very small.
It's fantastic. I use it to read with the Kindle app daily. It is light and feels good in your hands.
No issues at all, I actually prefer it to paperbacks.
Don't own one. But I've used one for 10 min. They are really comfortable.
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Comfy!
I use it almost exclusively for all my reading and it is comfortable.
I haven't tested PDF's. But the books look great.
Plus the device is light enough that whether you are laying down or sitting up it is still comfortable to hold for a long period of time.
Used mine outside in the sunlight for 4 - 5 hours yesterday. No problem reading for long periods of time either.
My eyes needed a bit of time to adjust after, buts that's normal for me.
No problem as an ereader, I have been using a mono Kindle for over a year now and have replaced it with the Nexus, I read every night and my wife enjoys the fact that I can have my bedside light very low. I turn off all comms functions at night so I do not get disturbed by incoming email
how about magazin like pop mechanic?
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I'll echo what everyone else has said about it as an ereader. Coming from a Nook Color, which is no slouch as an ereader, it's a much better platform.
For magazines, it's not the best, primarily because the screen size just isn't big enough to properly display two pages of a magazine. It gets the job done, but not as well as a larger tablet would.
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I've not noticed any more eyestrain vs. my Nook (original version). I still use my Nook when I'm reading outside in direct sunlight, because of course nothing beats e-ink in those conditions. The N7 is only barely usable then.
Another "problem" with the N7 as an ebook reader is that it takes a bit of willpower to keep reading. Notifications pop up, and the temptation is always there to do other things. So, the Nook isolates reading, and if I _need_ to finish something, I'll use the Nook.
But if you mostly read indoors and have good willpower, then the N7 is a great device for reading. It's taken over from my iPad 3, which used to be my favorite because the text is so excellent. Of course, the N7 is so much smaller and lighter and thus more comfortable, and text is plenty sharp enough.
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Turn airplane mode on when you are reading and you won't see the notification
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Turn airplane mode on when you are reading and you won't see the notification
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For magazines, it's not the best, primarily because the screen size just isn't big enough to properly display two pages of a magazine. It gets the job done, but not as well as a larger tablet would.
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I have to admit, I use my iPad for magazines...
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It has been great on the eyes reading books indoors. I went ahead and sold my Kindle Touch this last weekend. The interface experience and processing speed on the Nexus just makes it a much better reading experience. The only advantage would be e-ink in a sunlit environment.
I read Mockingjay using Kobo reader. It was a much more enjoyable experience than reading from a paperback.
I started to read The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo in PDF format, but it didn't scale well, so I converted it to Epub format and its fine now.
I had an iPad for two years and never bothered because they're too heavy.
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where can we dl ebook for free?
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where can we dl ebook for free?
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Ofter times your local library has something setup where you can rent E-books from. Otherwise I like gutenberg dot com lots of the old books out of copyright.
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I read Mockingjay using Kobo reader. It was a much more enjoyable experience than reading from a paperback.
I started to read The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo in PDF format, but it didn't scale well, so I converted it to Epub format and its fine now.
I had an iPad for two years and never bothered because they're too heavy.
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How did you "convert it to Epub"? I have many textbooks in PDF and I can use that tool...
I'm now the proud owner of a Nook HD. It's my second android device (phone is a GS3) and my fourth device for which I have sought guidance in this incredible forum. After perusing the Nook section of this site, I felt like I needed to reflect on why I chose this device.
1. I need to read more...again. I used to read all of the time. I'm a high school English teacher, so I have a passion for reading. However, like so many of my teenage students, I am easily distracted. I thought that I would read on my iPad, but that didn't happen since there are so many great games out for tablets. As a father of a 3-year old, my time and energy has seemed to be more prone to go to a mindless video game for a few minutes of gameplay rather than delve deep into a classic from one of my favorite authors. So, I'm hoping my Nook HD is the answer I need for this. Since it is smaller, maybe I'll have it along with my more often so I can read more often. Also, since B&N doesn't seem to have any intention of competing with iOS on the scale of game offerings, I won't be tempted to play N.O.V.A. or Modern Combat over reading Eliot.
2. 7" seems to really be the perfect size for a reading tablet. Sorry HD+ owners, you're not going to like this point. If that HD+ is your first tablet, I hope you will at least heed or remember my thoughts here. My iPad (or any 10" screen) is too big to read on enjoyably. I've had an iPad for almost 2 years and I have spent many hours reading on it. It's an amazing device for things like producing writing, annotating essays, playing games, or watching movies, but the size of the blessed thing is just not ideal for reading*. Think about it, why are most paperbacks around 6-8" tall? I think it's because you naturally read faster and more easily when your eyes don't have to travel too far up an down the pages. A 7" tablet has the same effect. After reading on my HD for a while today, I can honestly say that the reading experience seems easier and more natural. Plus, being able to hold it with one hand makes it more convenient as well.
*I also looked at a couple magazines on my Nook HD and I will say the 10" screens are more suited for that. Looking at Entertainment Weekly caused some eyestrain. I suppose that's one reason B&N invented Article View.
So, that's my spiel. Feel free to concur or show obloquy as desired.
I got the HD because:
1) It had faster benchmarks than the Nexus 7
2) It had a better resolution and an overall better screen than the Nexus 7
3) It was rootable
4) I originally paid $180, but then returned it and got it for $149 at Staples
5) Nexus 7 16GB was not available anywhere.
Overall, I am very happy with the little tablet. I got my wife the HD+ at Staples for $199. She's not so happy with it, so I'll have two tablets and she'll end up getting the iPad Mini when the retina version comes out since her first gen iPad is getting outdated. Both the HD and HD+ were rooted but updated to 2.0.5, but Play still works. I was able to sideload Chrome since Play shows it incompatible. I also have them both booting to CM10 which has been pretty stable so far.
I agree about the 7" size. I have a 10" android tablet for playing games and surfing the web. I got the HD for reading. I rooted it to put other reading apps on it and so it can be more of an all-around device when necessary.
I get the HD+ for the size and resolution. I use the size for reading manga, smaller would just make it not very readable. Also I already have a Note II which is 5.5inches. So getting HD is kinda redundant. Also I found that using the HD+ connecting to my notebook using iDisplay to show my pictures when I'm working on them is quite useful.
Obviously 7inch and 9inch are aim at different type of consumers.
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I get the HD+ for the size and resolution. I use the size for reading manga, smaller would just make it not very readable. Also I already have a Note II which is 5.5inches. So getting HD is kinda redundant. Also I found that using the HD+ connecting to my notebook using iDisplay to show my pictures when I'm working on them is quite useful.
Obviously 7inch and 9inch are aim at different type of consumers.
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Those are good points. Like I said in my op, magazines are a bit small on the HD, so I'm sure the HD+ is better for anything illustrated.
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The HD+ gives a quite nice two-column reading experience in landscape. I would have stuck with something smaller if comic books and magazines were lower on my priority list, but my old Nook Color always felt a bit cramped for those. I've honestly been on a comic book and audio book jag ever since I got the HD+ and not reading much in the way of straight text.
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Good idea. Title changed to help that type of buyer searching.
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Even if the title weren't change it just mean people would look at the remarks and can tell, that maybe there is something they want to do and HD isn't good at but HD+ does better. It's no confusing at all. Reasons to buy alone isn't very informative w/o reasons not to buy. Information is information, period.
I went from Sony Reader to Kindle 3 to Nook Tablet to Nook HD+.
Nook Tablet is perfect size for reading books and bringing along with me--I agree with you there.
I read lots of magazines in PDF format. That's the main reason I went with the bigger HD+. I've grown accustomed to the size now and like the bigger screen.
Hardback books are about the size of the HD+, and I have always liked Hardback covers over paperbacks. So my yin to your yang.
However I have yet to use this thing for anything but video and some light music.
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Has anyone here tried the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 also?
I'm on the fence between a Kindle Fire HD 8.9 and a Nook HD+. I wasn't sure if I wanted a 7" or 9" at first but I think I need a 9" because I mostly will want to use it to look at PDF tech manuals and CAD schematic drawings when I'm on the go crawling around in areas where it is inconvenient to carry a laptop. Aside from that, its nice to have something to use on the plane or sitting around at the airport.
The main differences I see are:
Kindle: thinner (barely), has mimo wifi (don't know if its a real diff), camera (already have a phone camera), micro usb (don't have to buy proprietary connectors), ambient light sensor (might save some batt)
Nook: lighter (not by much), higher ppi (barely), external storage (although I'm not sure if I really need it)
Price is about the same if I look on ebay. Software is the same if I put on CM10, although I'm not sure if the kindle is as far along.
For me, seems like the biggest diff is the micro usb vs the external storage, and maybe the weight, hard to know how important 2.4oz is. I suspect that the external storage won't really be needed so if the weight isnt a big diff, I think I may lean towards the kindle.
I'd be interested in any other important differences people have noticed.
There is more difference between the Nook HD and Nexus 7 than some people think. The Nook HD provides the main essentials like good screen etc but has very limited sensors.
The nexus 7 is like a phone and has a full collection of sensors like an ambient light sensor, gyroscope, GPS, compass, proximity sensor, camera + more.
These sensors can be useful in some circumstances. Gyro is good for games and alot better than an accelerometer
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There is more difference between the Nook HD and Nexus 7 than some people think. The Nook HD provides the main essentials like good screen etc but has very limited sensors.
The nexus 7 is like a phone and has a full collection of sensors like an ambient light sensor, gyroscope, GPS, compass, proximity sensor, camera + more.
These sensors can be useful in some circumstances. Gyro is good for games and alot better than an accelerometer
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Yes, if you only have one tablet/smartphone device the choice is harder. However, I have a smartphone and a 10" android tablet. I wanted a light reader with added functionality. I fell in love with the nook HD screen as I am a screen-o-phile and can't go back to TN displays with poor color representation. The Nook HD has fantastic colors as well as a good resolution. Images just pop. I think it has over 90% adobe RGB gamut which is better than the nexus 7 (86% if I recall correctly) along with a better resolution.
Now resolution is not everything. The next gen ipad certainly has a ridiculous resolution that requires an overpowered GPU for most purposes ... that is all purposes except reading where every bit of resolution helps to discern text. Likewise, the extra bit of resolution on the Nook HD really makes it a good reader.
The Nook HD is also very light and has removable storage which is a HUGE plus for me. All the major tablet/phone manufacturers charge like 100-200 bucks more for pennies worth of Nand. 720p screens require at least 32gb to enjoy videos and media at that resolution IMO.
Overall, I am very happy with my purchase. B&N produced a quality product at a good price. They did shortchange in certain areas (no camera, no sensors), but I don't care about camera as almost all of them suck anyways in 7" tablets (especially the front ones) and the sensors are kind of a pain but I already have a smartphone so what do I care?
The Nook HD is a fantastic reader and secondary tablet. Hopefully with some more work on CM10/10.1, it will be a better primary one too.
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720p screens require at least 32gb to enjoy videos and media at that resolution IMO.
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
a 720p video file certainly isnt 32gb. maybe 1gb per movie depending on quality
It may take more memory to play it but the memory has nothing to do with the 32gb storage.
As for sensors, I dont care about the camera. GPS would be nice but the kindle doesnt have it either.
I don't see the use of a proximity sensor. The gyro is needed for some games. and the light sensor is somewhat important to output the right amount of brightness.
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
a 720p video file certainly isnt 32gb. maybe 1gb per movie depending on quality
It may take more memory to play it but the memory has nothing to do with the 32gb storage.
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A decently compressed feature-length 720p movie will range from 1.5-4GB depending on encoding, and a straight rip without decent compression might run 6-8GB or more. If you want to have more than one such movie on your tablet and maybe a couple of TV episodes as well as other media (magazines, PDFs, comics) it piles up fast. I don't even watch many videos on my tablet, and getting by on less than 32GB for what is essentially a media portal would be a pain.
Most 720p movies I've watched are in the 1-1.5 range. Beyond that I havent noticed alot of difference but maybe that's just me. Regardless, I don't see myself watching alot of movies on this and I wouldn't need to store more than one or two at a time. My primary purpose would be using it when it is inconvenient to carry my laptop like when I'm out in the field and need to pull up a pdf manual and/or cad drawings. This does not require much storage space.
It does sound like the trade is between the piece of mind of being able to upgrade storage and having a couple more sensors + the convenience of a microUSB.
i agree that 7" is a darn good size for reading and on hand holding, but i occasionally do things other than reading and 7" kinda limited me. i upgraded my galaxy tab 8.9 to this device. i do have a 10.1 galaxy note but do find that one too big for reading most of the times. it's not heavy, just awkward holding with one hand while laying down reading.
The 7" form factor is great, but even as much as I like expandable storage and getting every last possible pixel per inch, the Nook HD just doesn't stand up to the Nexus 7 in that market. The 32GB N7 is at least adequate in storage, and only $20 more than a 16GB Nook HD. The PPI difference is not that major, they're about the same weight with equally generic design, but the N7 has considerably more powerful innards, a full sensor array, and it's already a Nexus device: no hacking required. You'd have to really, really like the Nook HD display and see limited functionality as a positive thing--I could maybe see it if you were buying with young children in mind.
The HD+, on the other hand, has only one competitor within 30-40% of the asking price, and that one (the Kindle 8.9") is still asking more for less. Like the Nook Color when that device came out, the HD+ is the best screen for the money right now and also happens to have a distinctive design, not just because there's a hole in it but because it has a unified aesthetic other than "fat black bezel."
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The 7" form factor is great, but even as much as I like expandable storage and getting every last possible pixel per inch, the Nook HD just doesn't stand up to the Nexus 7 in that market. The 32GB N7 is at least adequate in storage, and only $20 more than a 16GB Nook HD. The PPI difference is not that major, they're about the same weight with equally generic design, but the N7 has considerably more powerful innards, a full sensor array, and it's already a Nexus device: no hacking required. You'd have to really, really like the Nook HD display and see limited functionality as a positive thing--I could maybe see it if you were buying with young children in mind.
The HD+, on the other hand, has only one competitor within 30-40% of the asking price, and that one (the Kindle 8.9") is still asking more for less. Like the Nook Color when that device came out, the HD+ is the best screen for the money right now and also happens to have a distinctive design, not just because there's a hole in it but because it has a unified aesthetic other than "fat black bezel."
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This had way top many overgeneralizations for me to ignore. For one, the storage difference is significant. For the same price I can get a nook HD with a 64gb micro SD card as a 32gb nexus.
The PPI difference is still significant. I compared both devices directly and the nook HD had better color accuracy and sharper text. 900p is actually over 25% more pixels than 800p. It is a huge difference for reading and text-based media consumption.
Weight is also very important for me at this form factor and given my usage patterns. The nook HD is the lightest device in its class and feels even lighter than my phone. I feel weight definitely matters especially for a device meant to be held and used as a replacement novel unlike say an iPad which can reasonably be expected to be laid down or held upright by a case instead.
Powerful is relative. The tegra 3 GPU is seriously underwhelming to adreno and mali. I know, I own a transformer infinity. For most virtually every process the nook HD is just as smooth as the nexus 7 which is all that really matters, not epeen statements about power. Devices need only be powerful enough for their intended use.
Nexus devices are definitely nice but so is cynmogen mod. Nook HD definitely takes more work to enjoy. Sensors are also irrelevant if you use them. How man people do you know actually use the cameras on their tablet for example. How about GPS? Having the option is definitely nice but irrelevant in most cases to the vast majority of people.
Its ironic that you mention the hd+ as being better. I found using it underwhelming. After having owned the infinity, I know how hard it is for current gen tech to power full HD displays. The nook HD+ was very slow at loading PDFs in store and kind of clunky in terms of performance. Understandable as even my infinity lags with an over clocked tegra 3. A nook HD was however completely smooth for me.
To each his own, but I think the nook HD is a much better device for me than a nexus 7. Even if I didn't ave a larger tablet, I would have gotten a nook.
In my opinion tablets are all about screen first, practicality second, and smoothness second. The nook HD does a better job at being a media consumption device than the nexus 7 across many metrics.
I need opinions on which tablet to buy. I want one with external card option so I've narrowed it down to these 2. The nook HD sounded impressive with a faster processor and higher resolution. Then I heard it stutters in games and some apps and it actually runs slower and less smooth then the galaxy tab 2 and also the speakers suck. I also like it has a regular OS. So is the Nook HD still slower with recent updates. Does it run any better with Cm10.1 running from a card instead of the proprietary Nook interface? Will movies look good on the galaxy tab 2 even though it's not HD? Most of the movies I watch will probably not be HD anyway but some games will be. TIA.
nobody knows of any stuttering or slowness issues? Or if it does does it run smoother with cm10?
Haven't seen any real lag issues on mine with stock or 10.1 run from the card (this does depend on the card). I wouldn't know if it runs slower then a Galaxy Tab 2 as I don't have one to compare to.
I personally made the decision to buy the Nook HD because of the screen resolution and the sdcard slot and I have not regretted the choice.
Thanks for the info. Looks like Im getting the Nook HD. The reviews that said it lagged a little in games were when it first launched. Possibly updates have corrected those issues.
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Haven't seen any real lag issues on mine with stock or 10.1 run from the card (this does depend on the card). I wouldn't know if it runs slower then a Galaxy Tab 2 as I don't have one to compare to.
I personally made the decision to buy the Nook HD because of the screen resolution and the sdcard slot and I have not regretted the choice.
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Mine runs smoothly on cm10
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So ist CM10 or CM 10.1 stable on the Nook HD+`? I'm a bit worried because of the small community
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So ist CM10 or CM 10.1 stable on the Nook HD+`? I'm a bit worried because of the small community
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On the HD+, there is only one preliminary build of CM10.1. The CM10 build comes out regularly with improvements. I use CM10 as my daily driver, but it is still beta. So I guess it depends on your definition of stable.
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Okay thanks for your response! Actually I don't care of it's CM10 or CM10.1 but my decision about buying the nook hd depends on the fact if there is any stable version ! I guess I will just go for it - why not
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I need opinions on which tablet to buy. I want one with external card option so I've narrowed it down to these 2. The nook HD sounded impressive with a faster processor and higher resolution. Then I heard it stutters in games and some apps and it actually runs slower and less smooth then the galaxy tab 2 and also the speakers suck. I also like it has a regular OS. So is the Nook HD still slower with recent updates. Does it run any better with Cm10.1 running from a card instead of the proprietary Nook interface? Will movies look good on the galaxy tab 2 even though it's not HD? Most of the movies I watch will probably not be HD anyway but some games will be. TIA.
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nobody knows of any stuttering or slowness issues? Or if it does does it run smoother with cm10?
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Okay thanks for your response! Actually I don't care of it's CM10 or CM10.1 but my decision about buying the nook hd depends on the fact if there is any stable version ! I guess I will just go for it - why not
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Initial reviews complained about stuttering. There is no way that the nook hd would stutter more than the galaxy tab 2 though. The galaxy 2 uses an omap processor a generation older that tops out at 1ghz. Maybe the nook hd+ as it has a very high-res screen that draws a lot of processing power. I got the nook HD because of the screen, the lightness, and it benchmarks about even with the Tegra 3 inside the nexus 7 (faster GPU for 3d, slightly slower for everything else). If someone were to unlock and overclock to 1.5 ghz, it would probably be faster but no real point in that. Very happy with the thing. Color accuracy is fantastic.
I'm having no issues with bokbokan latest build of 10.2 on my HD. I'm sure others here will build on leapinlar, bokbokan and verygreen's work - thanks to all you guys for your great work so far.
I would recommend the HD - great screen and snappy performance - even in the stock B&N rom which some people complained of as being laggy. I haven't experienced that. Battery life is excellent too.
Hey,
Been looking into buying a tablet and the rcent price drop is making the Nook HD+ an attactive option. I want a stock android experience though, particularly looking for the functionality of multiple user accounts and HDMI outputing to a monitor. My big concern with the Nook is that it's not going to provide a fast, stable android experience (running from SD card must slow performance?).
I'm weighing this against the Sony Experia Z tablet, which is roughly twice the price... take away the great screen / price and I'm wondering if the Nook has anything else going for it? Thoughts?
My usage is mainly going to be watching Netflix, internet, using Evernote and other writing related apps (hence need to output to monitor for lengthy work / use a bluetooth keyboard). I'd have picked the Google Nexus 7 but no HDMI output kills it off, and the Nexus 10 doesn't seem to be widely available in the UK (I prefer to buy from places with exteneded warranties and the Nexus 10 only seems to be selling directly from Google).
Thanks.
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Hey,
Been looking into buying a tablet and the rcent price drop is making the Nook HD+ an attactive option. I want a stock android experience though, particularly looking for the functionality of multiple user accounts and HDMI outputing to a monitor. My big concern with the Nook is that it's not going to provide a fast, stable android experience (running from SD card must slow performance?).
My usage is mainly going to be watching Netflix, internet, using Evernote and other writing related apps (hence need to output to monitor for lengthy work / use a bluetooth keyboard).
Thanks.
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I am running CM10.1 on emmc and it is fast and 99% stable(no reboots so far but has some minor technical issues like random screen flickering in settings screen which does not always happen.) I would not pay full price for the device. However, if you can get it for around $145 to $179 USD it is hard to beat for the 1920x1280 display and reasonable amount of horsepower. I think for movies and simple apps--reading, writing and web browsing it's perfect. For gaming it is okay but still lag behind Nexus 7. HDMI is available but you need to buy a specialized adapter so it will add to your costs. I tried the CM10 and CM10.1 on an SD card as proof of concept but the web browsing performance sucked....
I did Vellamo HTML5 benchmark with CM10.1 on emmc and scored very impressive score of 1861.
I think I'll use Nexus 7 for my gaming needs (when it's not occupied by my kids) and Nook HD+ for web, movies, and books.
I have a free Kindle Fire HD for HDMI output...(when kids not using it...) The KFHD HDMI cable is cheaper..
But it's much harder to get "stock Android experience" with Kindle Fire HD.
Hope the above info helps.
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I am running CM10.1 on emmc and it is fast and 99% stable(no reboots so far but has some minor technical issues like random screen flickering in settings screen which does not always happen.) I would not pay full price for the device. However, if you can get it for around $145 to $179 USD it is hard to beat for the 1920x1280 display and reasonable amount of horsepower. I think for movies and simple apps--reading, writing and web browsing it's perfect. For gaming it is okay but still lag behind Nexus 7. HDMI is available but you need to buy a specialized adapter so it will add to your costs. I tried the CM10 and CM10.1 on an SD card as proof of concept but the web browsing performance sucked....
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...to add to the above, the build quality is good, appears to be similar to my nook color which has held up very well. The stock rom is usable now that gApps and the play store is on it. The stock rom also has very good battery standby, like in the multiple days range. The negatives are no cameras or GPS but I've never really seen the utility in those if you already have a smart phone. The other negative is that stock rom is pretty customized towards being an E-reader and media consumption device with the B&N store baked into the UI. The big + is the uSD slot for expansion and the ability to boot off it & install CM
I have just got my second Nook HD+ 32GB from Game in the UK for £130 Used with 12 months warranty ( if they last that long Game that is )
Great tablet scores just over 3000 in quadrant the nexus 7 32gb is around 3600.
I have the Google Play store update and I have installed the Free version of the Apex Launcher, that makes it look like stock Android.
Only returned my Brand new one as had charging problem.
its not the fastest at loading web pages but it does work and I feel the screen size @ 9" is very good at Full HD res.
Around 28 GB left on the storage. but MicroSD slot so films etc can go on that. As it still will not allow apps to SD.
Some Popular Games do not install.
But for Web browsering its great and in the UK its only £189 at PC World with a £20 store credit
Games look great films do to.
I have used the N2A and I found it very buggy and slow, I installed in onto a Sd card make and speed they said and it kept slowing right down and hanging for a while.
Just install Apex and you should find it like most other Android Tablets.
CEX in the UK do the 32gb version around 120-145 still with 12 months warranty plus you can trade in too.
For the Money its a Very good by. The closest to it brand new for the money here is a Galaxy tab 2 7, which only has 4gb free memory. to what I payed for it used
Thanks for the info. So, in short, running Android from SD card won't provide smooth performance but installing to emmc (which will void warranty) turns it into a fine android tablet... alternatively, use a launcher app to make the stock rom look more android like (but some apps won't work with the nook os).
Went in store to look at one yesterday and the screen was great, but looking at the 10.1 inch tablets I think I'm going to get one of them instead. Either the Asus Memo Pad, Galaxy Note or Sony Experia. The Asus and Samsung screens are not as sharp but I didn't find the lower pixels per inch to be as obvious as I expected.
Still, the Nook price still makes it a really strong consideration...!
Now nook has google play and chrome etc in lastest update it is a andriod tablet, the nook default front end not good. But with apex it seem to work better.
I have had a number of tablets and not all of them can install all apps etc from google play.
I had the tegra 3 based memo 10.1 and the screen is only same res as the nexus 7 and its slower for some strange reason. Mine went back as it would not charge while turned off. As the makers said it should.
But the Nook hd + needs to be on while charging lol.
Like I said the 9" is a nice size to hold and its not that heavy.
But if you want to play high end games then get tegra 3 based tablet.
You cannot go wrong for the money.
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Also gta 3 and vice city do install
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I have a review channel on youtube under atc9000 I can do a nook hd+ review in the next few days if that helps you ?
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Now nook has google play and chrome etc in lastest update it is a andriod tablet, the nook default front end not good. But with apex it seem to work better.
But if you want to play high end games then get tegra 3 based tablet.
You cannot go wrong for the money.
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I tried a different launcher with stock which helped a bit but still a few annoying things -- library syncing message while playing game, no standard 3 buttons,...,etc. Also system settings are very limited. CM10.1 RC1 and RC2 both ran very well on emmc...for warranty, it is good to have a backup to restore to stock if needed, or an image of stock rom will do.
Gaming performance - per Epic Citadel 3D benchmark it's about 20% FPS reduction from Nexus 7. But to be fair, Nexus 7 has a much lower resolution so it's not completely apple to apple comparison. Unfortunately the FPS is even worse if you lower the resolution on Nook HD+.
So gaming experience is definitely better on N7.
For web browsing I used Vellamo HTML5 benchmark. Stock has almost identical performance as Nexus 7. But with CM10.1, surprisingly out performed Nexus 7 stock by about 40%. Web browsing with CM10.1 works really well actually.
Finally, the deciding factor---#1 is the price. #2, I checked a few 10" tablets at Best Buy including iPad and Transformer Infinity, they are nice but noticeably heavier than Nook HD+. For the primary purpose I want to use a 10" tablet for---web, reading, movies, and light gaming, it is the right one for the right price. So it really depends on the use cases.
One difference using CM10.1 with Nook HD+ vs CM10.1 on a phone is that Nook HD+ has much less functionalities therefore easier to run a custom rom with. On a phone there are so many more functionalities and usually there is always a feature or two that you need to give up or may have issues when running a custom rom. (FM radio, Wi-Fi calling...,etc.)
Of course, that's also thanks to verygreen and other xda developers who did a tremendous job porting CM10.1 to Nook HD+.
Nook HD+ overall rocks for the price. I use it more now than my way more expensive iPad 4.....
Plays all of my media as good as my other tablets, Flash plays great and ditto for most games, beyond a few like Asphalt 7 and NFSMW that load unusually super slow (makes no sense, since no others tested seem to be as bad).
Plays all my emulators better than my other tablets and blue tooth gamepads work great as well. IMO, even at $300 this is a better buy than the TF700.
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Nook HD+ overall rocks for the price. I use it more now than my way more expensive iPad 4.....
Plays all my emulators better than my other tablets and blue tooth gamepads work great as well. IMO, even at $300 this is a better buy than the TF700.
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tf700 has stronger cpus but it's plagued by poor io. Xda members have reported Nook HD+ having as much as 3x better ios(on emmc) than tf700...Nook HD+ still has minor glitches once in a while(likely hardware related) but can be fixed by turning off and turning on the display.
But I agree it's better than tf700 because tf700 is somewhat buggy to the same extent. And the price is less than half of tf700.
There is just one thing other than the CPU that the tf700 is much better than Nook....that's the availability of official updates.
(less camera and gps which I don't need)
Asus is providing software updates much more often than B&N for sure and will likely continue to do so.
That's another good reason to use CM10.1 because stock almost has 0 possibility of getting even 4.1 update...
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Hey,
Been looking into buying a tablet and the rcent price drop is making the Nook HD+ an attactive option. I want a stock android experience though, particularly looking for the functionality of multiple user accounts and HDMI outputing to a monitor.... My usage is mainly going to be watching Netflix....
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I'm not quite clear from your post if you want HDMI output for watching Netflix. If so, the video out is great, but, at least running CM10.1 on emmc, there is no audio out on the HDMI. So if you want to watch movies on your home theater system, the only sound you'll get is from the tiny nook speaker. That'll probably get cleared up as the Devs have time to figure it out, but, if you're still considering the nook, I wanted to point that out, since I hadn't seen in mentioned in any of the other replies.
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tf700 has stronger cpus but it's plagued by poor io. Xda members have reported Nook HD+ having as much as 3x better ios(on emmc) than tf700...Nook HD+ still has minor glitches once in a while(likely hardware related) but can be fixed by turning off and turning on the display.
But I agree it's better than tf700 because tf700 is somewhat buggy to the same extent. And the price is less than half of tf700.
There is just one thing other than the CPU that the tf700 is much better than Nook....that's the availability of official updates.
(less camera and gps which I don't need)
Asus is providing software updates much more often than B&N for sure and will likely continue to do so.
That's another good reason to use CM10.1 because stock almost has 0 possibility of getting even 4.1 update...
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TF300 has the same issue, though not as burdened due to half the pixels for the GPU to push. I always thought it was the Tegra 3, but the Excite 7.7 has a Tegra 3 and is not laggy like the TF300 and is very fast. There is a Quake emulator called "Quake Touch" that was released and is great, BTW. The Open GL game plays perfectly & fast on the Excite, S3 and HD+, but is SLOOOOW on the TF300.
There is also a new app called Quake 2 Touch which is also great and works fine on the TF300 as well. The issue though is how the data is pulled for Quake 1. Very old school in that is pulls data bits and pieces. This would stick out on a device with i/o issues.
The HD+ plus though is not out of the woods, since the game loads up in two seconds or less on the Excite and S3, but a little slower on the TF300 and a LOT slower on the HD+. The slow file load issues like Quake 2, Asphalt 7 and NFSMW make no apparent sense. None the less, Quake 1 and 2 play better on the HD+ than the TF300.
Ok so I have a nexus 7 and 10 that I dont really use for reading possibly due to the weight not sure. I just got a nook with glow light as a gift and I can exchange it for the better nook hd one. I don't really need another tablet but would like a dependable comfortable reader. I've held both the nook HD and HD+ and the weight isn't the liightest but seems lighter than the nexus 7. Given what I've said which one would you guys recommend I get as a primary reader? Thanks hope someone reads this soon as I'm at the store now and can't decide lol.
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Ok so I have a nexus 7 and 10 that I dont really use for reading possibly due to the weight not sure. I just got a nook with glow light as a gift and I can exchange it for the better nook hd one. I don't really need another tablet but would like a dependable comfortable reader. I've held both the nook HD and HD+ and the weight isn't the liightest but seems lighter than the nexus 7. Given what I've said which one would you guys recommend I get as a primary reader? Thanks hope someone reads this soon as I'm at the store now and can't decide lol.
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I have both the HD and the HD+. I use my HD as my ereader. It is light and easy to hold.
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.
Keep the e-reader, its much lighter and you will notice the difference when reading. The light is also more useful if you're trying not to disturb a partner sleeping vs a glarey backlit display of the hd+
I second this. The e-ink readers are much more comfortable to hold than a tablet. The only time I use a tablet for reading is when sitting at a desk or table where I don't hold the device. If I'm reading in bed or in a recliner or couch, I use the e-ink Nook.
My wife has the Nook e-reader that was out just before the glow light model was introduced. It seems like it has trouble with many of the graphics in the newer e-books that my HD+ displays with no issue. Is this a problem generic to all of the B&N e-ink tablets? To keep this OT, I ask because my question is in line with the OP. Would a Nook HD be a better reader at this point as a result?
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Ok so I have a nexus 7 and 10 that I dont really use for reading possibly due to the weight not sure. I just got a nook with glow light as a gift and I can exchange it for the better nook hd one. I don't really need another tablet but would like a dependable comfortable reader. I've held both the nook HD and HD+ and the weight isn't the liightest but seems lighter than the nexus 7. Given what I've said which one would you guys recommend I get as a primary reader? Thanks hope someone reads this soon as I'm at the store now and can't decide lol.
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I am interested in how you would rate the Nexus 10 against the Nook HD. With the latest round of price cuts I am considering a HD instead of getting a Nexus 10. Can you give me some insight about the differences and which is better is certain aspects?
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I am interested in how you would rate the Nexus 10 against the Nook HD. With the latest round of price cuts I am considering a HD instead of getting a Nexus 10. Can you give me some insight about the differences and which is better is certain aspects?
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Well I tried the nook hd and the nook with glow light and returned them both for b&n store credit. Being that I already had tablets the nook hd felt redundant to me, I would much rather just buy the new nexus 7 for that. The nook glow light well I just couldnt get used to the e-ink style of reading. I'm currently charging my nexus 10 up to do some reading on. I'm holding off on the nexus 7 for future tablet releases. The spec comparisons are out there and unless youre going to use them for hardcore gaming I dont think all that matters too much. In the end its up the person and what they prefer so I wont tell you what to buy. But in the end I returned both nooks and am sticking with the nexus 10 for now
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Well I tried the nook hd and the nook with glow light and returned them both for b&n store credit. Being that I already had tablets the nook hd felt redundant to me, I would much rather just buy the new nexus 7 for that. The nook glow light well I just couldnt get used to the e-ink style of reading. I'm currently charging my nexus 10 up to do some reading on. I'm holding off on the nexus 7 for future tablet releases. The spec comparisons are out there and unless youre going to use them for hardcore gaming I dont think all that matters too much. In the end its up the person and what they prefer so I wont tell you what to buy. But in the end I returned both nooks and am sticking with the nexus 10 for now
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Thanks for the answer. Considering you kept the Nexus and returned the Nooks answered my question. Like I said I was leaning toward the Nook since the price cut. I went out and tried both again, today, and even with the lower price, I think I am buying the Nexus10.