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I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
gunnyman said:
I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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It is a nice device. I have not used a Kindle Fire HD so don't know how it compares.
The HD+ has a locked bootloader, so it is difficult to put ROMs on internal memory. It has a system where if you change something on /system it will reset itself back to factory settings. But the devs have done a good job of hacking it and you can have it rooted and put gapps and any app you want on internal memory.
But the biggest advantage hackerwise is it has an SD slot and can be booted from SD, completely bypassing the stock ROM. And we already have a very mature CM10 on SD.
So from a hackers view, it is super.
Sent from my HD+ running CM10 on SD with XDA Premium
gunnyman said:
I've been using the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 for about a month. I've rooted it and put Android market on it but with the locked bootloader and no SD card that's all I can do.
It's screen is great and I initially got it for the streaming Prime videos, but I've used it once.
I have a Nexus 7 and use it quite often but I've found it's too small.
I got to thinking about the Nook HD + and am wondering since the device has been out a while and has quite a few users, what the downsides of the device are.
I know it has the same screen and TI OMAP processor, but that's all I know about it.
Talke me into, or out of getting the Nook HD +
plese be honest and keep the fanboi rhetoric out of this discussion.
I'm coming at this from a hacking/installing customizations angle.
Thanks
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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Well, for one thing, the Nook HD+ is about $30 cheaper, but that won't help in your case since you already bought the KFHD9. The real advantages are:
slightly faster processor
screen is way better (that was what sold me between the KFHD, N7, and Nook HD+)
comes with an sd port which allows you to load CM10 on an sd card, stick it in the port and run CM10 without disturbing the BN stock OS.
If you want to run it using the stock OS, that is an option too using an alternative laucher.
the main disadvantages are:
the B&N marketplace is not as advanced as Amazon marketplace if you really want to use a marketplace (then again if you are invested in Amazon marketplace, you can download kindle app)
there are not as much third party accessories for it (such as skins, covers, etc)
they changed their data/charging cable so the general use Nook Color stuff is out the window.
If your interest really is running CM10 or an alternate launcher, you should read the stuff in the Nook HD android development section by verygreen and leapinlar as it is very advanced and has a lot of discussions. Leapinlar also has a post in this general section which would be a good place to start.
I was going to ask YOU if there was any real development on the KFHD9 ever since they rooted it back in November, but from your intro, I am assuming not.
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There is a CM10 coming soon thread that has been coming soon for a while now.
well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
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well for me, the disadvantages of nook hd+ are:
+lacking of light sensor
+The charging cable is unique, you can't found any replacement except from B&N store. Eventhough it look like 30pin of ipad or galaxy tab, the truth is it doesn't fit.
+speaker are not as good as KFHD.
And the biggest advantage is that it can expaned via uSD card up to 64gb, so a 32gb nook + 64gb must satisfy any demand for storage.
Moreover, by using rom from uSD, you never need to wonder about the risk that your rom may damage your nook (the worst situation is the uSD is corrupted- I never see any report about this).
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AND, if you choose the stock root option developed by leapinlar and you want to return to absolute brand new stock, it is easy to do just by following the instructions for the 8 reboot. Good to know if you wish to sell it later (although I doubt if you will).
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
gunnyman said:
Thanks for all of the input. My wife has been drooling over the kfhd since the day I got it. I just might give it to her and get the Nook for myself
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Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
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Great excuse. You really should treat her nice. I think this is a win-win situation for all.
Only suggestion I have for you if you want to get into hacking the Nook HD+ is to either do leapinlar stock root first or do verygreen's CM10 SD card install. Don't try to do both at the same time as you can get very confused very fast.
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Lol. Yes that was my problem. But I think I've got it figured out now. And loving it. I love the screen, and the speakers really aren't THAT bad, are they? Maybe I just have Lower standards than others who complain about them.
Yes, I agree, give the wife the kindle fire and get this device for yourself. The mucroSD card booting is the reason I bought it.... and the price didn't hurt either. I've got a friend at work who got the nexus 10 and he's jealous when I tell him all the cool things I'm doing with my HD+.
Sent from my Barnes & Noble Nook HD+ using Tapatalk HD
Loving the HD+. CM10 on SD card is evolving too such that much of the ROM is actually in memory now, so even faster. And CM10/10.1 is so feature loaded! And pull the SD out for a stock (or rooted sotck) experience (the reader on the HD is excellent). I've taken to using it for note taking by stylus and syncing via dropbox, its becoming an essential device for me! That said, I wish the charger/connector were uUSB, and teh dev community is working hard but is somewhat small so its not like you are going to get a lot of options. Accessorizing is a challenge too, but stuff is coming out...
I say bestow this KFHD on your wife for Valentines Day
I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
CM10 or 10.1?
I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
tigim101 said:
I just bought a 200$ barnes and noble gift card from a friend for $130 with the intention of getting a Nook, I figured by now they figured out how to put stock android on it, but didnt realize the Nook HD+ was that new. I stopped by B&N very briefly and toyed with the hd+ a bit and it was surprisingly laggy, I hope that was just the store one, but I saw a view video reviews that said that the nook is really laggy. Does CM10 fix the lag. And once CM10 is on the SD card, is it really as easy as taking out the sd card and being back at stock?
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Sounds like a good deal.
I think the update takes care of some lag issues, and you definitely won't see lag on cm10. Except perhaps when switching from Portrait to landscape but I think that's being worked on.
And yes, once you are running in cm10 all you have to do is remove the sd card, reboot and it Will boot into stock (or rooted stock, if that's what you're running) then when you're done in stock, put back in the SD card, reboot again, and magically back in cm10.
Larrondo said:
I've got my 32gb Sandisk C4 card and am ready to try CM. If CM10 is more stable, can someone explain the advantages of CM10.1? Or the differences? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I haven't actually run cm10.1 so can't speak too much on advantages/disadvantages of it, but I THINK the way it works is that cm10 is jelly Bean 4.1 and cm10.1 is jelly Bean 4.2.
If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure somebody will set me straight and we'll both learn something.
Sent using Tapatalk HD from my Barnes & Noble Nook HD+ running CM10 on SD
I'm jealous of the Fire HD's speakers, but the Nook HD+ has it beat in pretty much every other area, at least if you're not shy about rooting or banging together a CM10 SD card. And of course, for the price of a KFHD with no ads you can have a Nook HD+ and a 64GB SD card to put in it. I only noticed UI lag in the store models at Target before I got them online and updated them. As far as I can see, the first post-release update put any lag to bed, and the HD+ tested really well from the start in browser speed.
And personally, I'm a storage junkie. I have a lot of (digital) stuff, and the main point of a tablet for me is to have access to my stuff, not Amazon's or B&N's stuff. The stuff I want to view on a 9" screen takes up some space, and I would get cramped with 30-40GB available on my old Nook Color. Having 60-70GB to play with is just right. I probably would have snapped up a Nexus 7 a long time ago, or held out for a Nexus 10, if Google hadn't decided that expandable storage hurts consumers wittle bwains.
I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
gunnyman said:
I played with the nook hd + today in a store. I liked what I saw. The default interface is much less annoying than the fire.
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The less you have the more you want!
I liked Android simplicity three years ago ... now CM 10.1 nightly is not enough to me
2 things that i think are pretty important; sometimes more important than the internals, on a tablet are screen and form factor. If you are going to be holding somthing in your hand and staring at it for extended time you want that to be enjoyable. I bought the Nook HD over other 7inch tablets based mostly on the great screen resolution/ppi and how light and comforable the HD feels in the hand. I have a Samgsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, but I hadly pick it up now having the HD.
I returned my kfhd today and got a 32 GB hd + so much better. Very easy to get gapps on it. Only annoyance is the white on white but I bet that gets fixed very soon.
The white on white thing is fixed. You can install a zip on this forum to fix it
I'm rather torn between the Nook HD and the Nexus 7. The fact I get vanilla Android with the Nexus is tempting but the better screen and expandable storage (either would be mostly running without the benefit of an Internet connection) makes the Nook equally tempting in a different way. Is the display that much better than the Nexus' to the point that it justifies a device that needs unlocking in order to meet my requirements?
In terms of video playback, how powerful is the HW acceleration support for the Nook? I'd want to feed it FHD videos to take advantage of the extra resolution and I don't want it choking.
Hi,
I m thinking about picking up a HD+ for home use as the HD goes everywhere with me. Wondered if anybody had both at all? Also apart from cpu clock speed are there any other hardware differences??
dtonlinux said:
Hi,
I m thinking about picking up a HD+ for home use as the HD goes everywhere with me. Wondered if anybody had both at all? Also apart from cpu clock speed are there any other hardware differences??
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Of course I have both. I use both for developing. But other than developing I use them for different things.
The HD is super as an ereader. It is lightweight and very easy to hold for long reading sessions. It is very mobile also.
The HD+ is great for reading magazines and just general surfing. I use it as my main device since typing and other things that require a large screen are very handy.
They both operate equally fast. I personally don't notice any big speed differences. But I am not a gamer either. I would say the only things you will notice is screen size and mobility.
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10 on Hybrid SD
leapinlar said:
Of course I have both. I use both for developing. But other than developing I use them for different things.
The HD is super as an ereader. It is lightweight and very easy to hold for long reading sessions. It is very mobile also.
The HD+ is great for reading magazines and just general surfing. I use it as my main device since typing and other things that require a large screen are very handy.
They both operate equally fast. I personally don't notice any big speed differences. But I am not a gamer either. I would say the only things you will notice is screen size and mobility.
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10 on Hybrid SD
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Thank you for replying, I should also take the opportunity to thanks for all you work on removing the limits of this piece of hardware I am tempted by the larger one too, I don't game really so it's mostly for surfing etc where at home the big screen would be nice.
leapinlar said:
Of course I have both. I use both for developing. But other than developing I use them for different things.
The HD is super as an ereader. It is lightweight and very easy to hold for long reading sessions. It is very mobile also.
The HD+ is great for reading magazines and just general surfing. I use it as my main device since typing and other things that require a large screen are very handy.
They both operate equally fast. I personally don't notice any big speed differences. But I am not a gamer either. I would say the only things you will notice is screen size and mobility.
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10 on Hybrid SD
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I have an HD+ now and thinking of getting an HD also. Does the HD also have the magnetic on/off switch or the screen? And how is battery life.
And of course thanks for your great contributions to this forum!
docfreed said:
I have an HD+ now and thinking of getting an HD also. Does the HD also have the magnetic on/off switch or the screen? And how is battery life.
And of course thanks for your great contributions to this forum!
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Yes, the HD has the magnetic on and off. Battery life for mine has been pretty good. I usually get a couple of days before having to charge. I'm using the CM10.1 hybrid.
How would you rate the HD for reading comics? Currently torn between a HD and HD+. My primary role for this device will be for reading comics(Marvel, DC etc). I am currently using a cheap 800 x 480 reso 7 incher to read them which I find extremely troublesome. I'm guessing 7 inch would be too small to not require zooming in even with the high resolution on the HD?
I concur with all Leapinlar said. I have one of each in my household. The HD+ is mine, so that's my primary. I do long for the HD at times when just reading, but the HD+ isn't too bad. Just have to come up with a good holding position.
Sent from my SD-Hybrid JellyBean-Flavored Nook HD+ using Tapatalk 2
Let for me was getting a case that would hold the hd+ in both landscape and portrait modes.
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The other review was for the device in general. This gets into actual performance. I prefer that over synthetic benchmarks and not knowing what weight their parameters used to create a score. Real deal works for me
Video playback (Great): 4470 is robust for video support. As good as my Tegra 3 tabs. (Excite 7.7 & TF300)
Flash performance (Great): Creating a boot image and flashing the Rev3 zip enabled unknown source installs. Flash 11.1 works so good, it makes you wonder why Adobe caved on HTML 5. The 4470 handles Flash well.
Audio playback (Good): The audio playback is impacted due to low gain output. This was corrected by using Volume+ and adjusting the headset and also the speaker output. It now sounds as good as my other tabs.
Books & comics (Great): As good as my iPad4
Gaming (Great):
N64oid = A little faster than my Tegra 3 tabs
ePSX = Ditto
MAME4reloaded = Ditto
GTA & Vice City = Both play as good as my other tabs.
Modern Warfare 3 = Ditto
NOVA 3 = Ditto
Asphalt 7 = Ditto
Blitz Brigade = Ditto (BTW, please get this game!) Online play quality was fine.
House of the Dead = Ditto
I tested other games and same result- The Nook HD+ is as good as my other tablets, but a little faster with CPU hungry game emulators. Considering the pixels the 4470 gpu has to push is twice the other devices, that is IMO pretty good. I was surprised to notice the right corner got real warm, but not BAKING like the A500 would (I returned that due to heat and awful wifi range). I expected that due to the size and pixels being pushed it would get real hot.
Battery life is as good as my other tablets (good). As mentioned in the other review though, the battery bleed rate while in sleep mode is far and away the best of any Android device I have used. No comparison- just one percentage point over each night. The only tablet that trumps it I have used is the iPad 4, which use one point over several days.
The Nook HD+ is now my favorite tablet that I have used. I consider it to some degree, equal to my much higher cost iPad 4 (128gb). Considering what I paid for the iPad, I kind of feel sick..... Overall though, my iPad 4 is still the best- Faster with apps and amazing battery life. When considering cost though, the Nook HD+ even at $300 would be a great buy. Simply put, the Nook HD+ with Google Play and the few noted mods kicks some serious booty! :victory:
Huh? I had a Nexus 7 and have an iPad 4. My Nook HD+ is no where remotely comparable to those two tablets in performance. Are you running a stock Nook HD+ or is this with some custom ROM?
I think the Nook HD+ is an okay tablet for $180. But I find... mine at least... to be a bit slow.
2.1 stock. There is no magic bullet for the chipset. I find all Tegra 3 devices to perform similarly. The stock N7 is no better for games or emulators than any other I have tried, which is a lot.
I did not compare performance with the iPad and clearly state the iPad is faster than Android tablets.
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I stand corrected. I see what you mean now. While the Nook does install and update apps far faster than any device I have owned and games tested play fine and emulators fast- the file system for actually starting apps seems slower. Especially large data apps. Not sure how I did not pick up on this before. I did not notice until I went below 3Gb and the device got VERY slow. Even after freeing more storage games load up slow and the UI like you said is slower. My focus was on game and Flash performance, so overlooked everything else. Still a great device for smaller data games, Flash web and video. Just big games seem a file access issue.
Did nova 3 have effects like on ios devices? Nook hd + is a good gaming tablet?
NOVA 3 plays smooth on the HD+. I have most recent CM 10.1 update and new gsx drivers Verygreen posted.
All games now work that I posted did not in the past. Also, the only game that loads slow is Asphalt 7 and turns out the most recent update is slow loading on all Android devices I have tested. I have it on the iPad as well, but loads much quicker on that.
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Huh? I had a Nexus 7 and have an iPad 4. My Nook HD+ is no where remotely comparable to those two tablets in performance. Are you running a stock Nook HD+ or is this with some custom ROM?
I think the Nook HD+ is an okay tablet for $180. But I find... mine at least... to be a bit slow.
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It's really getting there now. Use the latest carbon build and UI performance is not quite so sucky... Although much better without a high res wallpaper right now. It certainly gets used a lot more than my N7. The web browsing performance is very similar, but the big screen is much better.
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Hey,
Been looking into buying a tablet and the rcent price drop is making the Nook HD+ an attactive option. I want a stock android experience though, particularly looking for the functionality of multiple user accounts and HDMI outputing to a monitor. My big concern with the Nook is that it's not going to provide a fast, stable android experience (running from SD card must slow performance?).
I'm weighing this against the Sony Experia Z tablet, which is roughly twice the price... take away the great screen / price and I'm wondering if the Nook has anything else going for it? Thoughts?
My usage is mainly going to be watching Netflix, internet, using Evernote and other writing related apps (hence need to output to monitor for lengthy work / use a bluetooth keyboard). I'd have picked the Google Nexus 7 but no HDMI output kills it off, and the Nexus 10 doesn't seem to be widely available in the UK (I prefer to buy from places with exteneded warranties and the Nexus 10 only seems to be selling directly from Google).
Thanks.
Snoogy said:
Hey,
Been looking into buying a tablet and the rcent price drop is making the Nook HD+ an attactive option. I want a stock android experience though, particularly looking for the functionality of multiple user accounts and HDMI outputing to a monitor. My big concern with the Nook is that it's not going to provide a fast, stable android experience (running from SD card must slow performance?).
My usage is mainly going to be watching Netflix, internet, using Evernote and other writing related apps (hence need to output to monitor for lengthy work / use a bluetooth keyboard).
Thanks.
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I am running CM10.1 on emmc and it is fast and 99% stable(no reboots so far but has some minor technical issues like random screen flickering in settings screen which does not always happen.) I would not pay full price for the device. However, if you can get it for around $145 to $179 USD it is hard to beat for the 1920x1280 display and reasonable amount of horsepower. I think for movies and simple apps--reading, writing and web browsing it's perfect. For gaming it is okay but still lag behind Nexus 7. HDMI is available but you need to buy a specialized adapter so it will add to your costs. I tried the CM10 and CM10.1 on an SD card as proof of concept but the web browsing performance sucked....
I did Vellamo HTML5 benchmark with CM10.1 on emmc and scored very impressive score of 1861.
I think I'll use Nexus 7 for my gaming needs (when it's not occupied by my kids) and Nook HD+ for web, movies, and books.
I have a free Kindle Fire HD for HDMI output...(when kids not using it...) The KFHD HDMI cable is cheaper..
But it's much harder to get "stock Android experience" with Kindle Fire HD.
Hope the above info helps.
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I am running CM10.1 on emmc and it is fast and 99% stable(no reboots so far but has some minor technical issues like random screen flickering in settings screen which does not always happen.) I would not pay full price for the device. However, if you can get it for around $145 to $179 USD it is hard to beat for the 1920x1280 display and reasonable amount of horsepower. I think for movies and simple apps--reading, writing and web browsing it's perfect. For gaming it is okay but still lag behind Nexus 7. HDMI is available but you need to buy a specialized adapter so it will add to your costs. I tried the CM10 and CM10.1 on an SD card as proof of concept but the web browsing performance sucked....
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...to add to the above, the build quality is good, appears to be similar to my nook color which has held up very well. The stock rom is usable now that gApps and the play store is on it. The stock rom also has very good battery standby, like in the multiple days range. The negatives are no cameras or GPS but I've never really seen the utility in those if you already have a smart phone. The other negative is that stock rom is pretty customized towards being an E-reader and media consumption device with the B&N store baked into the UI. The big + is the uSD slot for expansion and the ability to boot off it & install CM
I have just got my second Nook HD+ 32GB from Game in the UK for £130 Used with 12 months warranty ( if they last that long Game that is )
Great tablet scores just over 3000 in quadrant the nexus 7 32gb is around 3600.
I have the Google Play store update and I have installed the Free version of the Apex Launcher, that makes it look like stock Android.
Only returned my Brand new one as had charging problem.
its not the fastest at loading web pages but it does work and I feel the screen size @ 9" is very good at Full HD res.
Around 28 GB left on the storage. but MicroSD slot so films etc can go on that. As it still will not allow apps to SD.
Some Popular Games do not install.
But for Web browsering its great and in the UK its only £189 at PC World with a £20 store credit
Games look great films do to.
I have used the N2A and I found it very buggy and slow, I installed in onto a Sd card make and speed they said and it kept slowing right down and hanging for a while.
Just install Apex and you should find it like most other Android Tablets.
CEX in the UK do the 32gb version around 120-145 still with 12 months warranty plus you can trade in too.
For the Money its a Very good by. The closest to it brand new for the money here is a Galaxy tab 2 7, which only has 4gb free memory. to what I payed for it used
Thanks for the info. So, in short, running Android from SD card won't provide smooth performance but installing to emmc (which will void warranty) turns it into a fine android tablet... alternatively, use a launcher app to make the stock rom look more android like (but some apps won't work with the nook os).
Went in store to look at one yesterday and the screen was great, but looking at the 10.1 inch tablets I think I'm going to get one of them instead. Either the Asus Memo Pad, Galaxy Note or Sony Experia. The Asus and Samsung screens are not as sharp but I didn't find the lower pixels per inch to be as obvious as I expected.
Still, the Nook price still makes it a really strong consideration...!
Now nook has google play and chrome etc in lastest update it is a andriod tablet, the nook default front end not good. But with apex it seem to work better.
I have had a number of tablets and not all of them can install all apps etc from google play.
I had the tegra 3 based memo 10.1 and the screen is only same res as the nexus 7 and its slower for some strange reason. Mine went back as it would not charge while turned off. As the makers said it should.
But the Nook hd + needs to be on while charging lol.
Like I said the 9" is a nice size to hold and its not that heavy.
But if you want to play high end games then get tegra 3 based tablet.
You cannot go wrong for the money.
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Also gta 3 and vice city do install
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I have a review channel on youtube under atc9000 I can do a nook hd+ review in the next few days if that helps you ?
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Now nook has google play and chrome etc in lastest update it is a andriod tablet, the nook default front end not good. But with apex it seem to work better.
But if you want to play high end games then get tegra 3 based tablet.
You cannot go wrong for the money.
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I tried a different launcher with stock which helped a bit but still a few annoying things -- library syncing message while playing game, no standard 3 buttons,...,etc. Also system settings are very limited. CM10.1 RC1 and RC2 both ran very well on emmc...for warranty, it is good to have a backup to restore to stock if needed, or an image of stock rom will do.
Gaming performance - per Epic Citadel 3D benchmark it's about 20% FPS reduction from Nexus 7. But to be fair, Nexus 7 has a much lower resolution so it's not completely apple to apple comparison. Unfortunately the FPS is even worse if you lower the resolution on Nook HD+.
So gaming experience is definitely better on N7.
For web browsing I used Vellamo HTML5 benchmark. Stock has almost identical performance as Nexus 7. But with CM10.1, surprisingly out performed Nexus 7 stock by about 40%. Web browsing with CM10.1 works really well actually.
Finally, the deciding factor---#1 is the price. #2, I checked a few 10" tablets at Best Buy including iPad and Transformer Infinity, they are nice but noticeably heavier than Nook HD+. For the primary purpose I want to use a 10" tablet for---web, reading, movies, and light gaming, it is the right one for the right price. So it really depends on the use cases.
One difference using CM10.1 with Nook HD+ vs CM10.1 on a phone is that Nook HD+ has much less functionalities therefore easier to run a custom rom with. On a phone there are so many more functionalities and usually there is always a feature or two that you need to give up or may have issues when running a custom rom. (FM radio, Wi-Fi calling...,etc.)
Of course, that's also thanks to verygreen and other xda developers who did a tremendous job porting CM10.1 to Nook HD+.
Nook HD+ overall rocks for the price. I use it more now than my way more expensive iPad 4.....
Plays all of my media as good as my other tablets, Flash plays great and ditto for most games, beyond a few like Asphalt 7 and NFSMW that load unusually super slow (makes no sense, since no others tested seem to be as bad).
Plays all my emulators better than my other tablets and blue tooth gamepads work great as well. IMO, even at $300 this is a better buy than the TF700.
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Nook HD+ overall rocks for the price. I use it more now than my way more expensive iPad 4.....
Plays all my emulators better than my other tablets and blue tooth gamepads work great as well. IMO, even at $300 this is a better buy than the TF700.
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tf700 has stronger cpus but it's plagued by poor io. Xda members have reported Nook HD+ having as much as 3x better ios(on emmc) than tf700...Nook HD+ still has minor glitches once in a while(likely hardware related) but can be fixed by turning off and turning on the display.
But I agree it's better than tf700 because tf700 is somewhat buggy to the same extent. And the price is less than half of tf700.
There is just one thing other than the CPU that the tf700 is much better than Nook....that's the availability of official updates.
(less camera and gps which I don't need)
Asus is providing software updates much more often than B&N for sure and will likely continue to do so.
That's another good reason to use CM10.1 because stock almost has 0 possibility of getting even 4.1 update...
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Hey,
Been looking into buying a tablet and the rcent price drop is making the Nook HD+ an attactive option. I want a stock android experience though, particularly looking for the functionality of multiple user accounts and HDMI outputing to a monitor.... My usage is mainly going to be watching Netflix....
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I'm not quite clear from your post if you want HDMI output for watching Netflix. If so, the video out is great, but, at least running CM10.1 on emmc, there is no audio out on the HDMI. So if you want to watch movies on your home theater system, the only sound you'll get is from the tiny nook speaker. That'll probably get cleared up as the Devs have time to figure it out, but, if you're still considering the nook, I wanted to point that out, since I hadn't seen in mentioned in any of the other replies.
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tf700 has stronger cpus but it's plagued by poor io. Xda members have reported Nook HD+ having as much as 3x better ios(on emmc) than tf700...Nook HD+ still has minor glitches once in a while(likely hardware related) but can be fixed by turning off and turning on the display.
But I agree it's better than tf700 because tf700 is somewhat buggy to the same extent. And the price is less than half of tf700.
There is just one thing other than the CPU that the tf700 is much better than Nook....that's the availability of official updates.
(less camera and gps which I don't need)
Asus is providing software updates much more often than B&N for sure and will likely continue to do so.
That's another good reason to use CM10.1 because stock almost has 0 possibility of getting even 4.1 update...
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TF300 has the same issue, though not as burdened due to half the pixels for the GPU to push. I always thought it was the Tegra 3, but the Excite 7.7 has a Tegra 3 and is not laggy like the TF300 and is very fast. There is a Quake emulator called "Quake Touch" that was released and is great, BTW. The Open GL game plays perfectly & fast on the Excite, S3 and HD+, but is SLOOOOW on the TF300.
There is also a new app called Quake 2 Touch which is also great and works fine on the TF300 as well. The issue though is how the data is pulled for Quake 1. Very old school in that is pulls data bits and pieces. This would stick out on a device with i/o issues.
The HD+ plus though is not out of the woods, since the game loads up in two seconds or less on the Excite and S3, but a little slower on the TF300 and a LOT slower on the HD+. The slow file load issues like Quake 2, Asphalt 7 and NFSMW make no apparent sense. None the less, Quake 1 and 2 play better on the HD+ than the TF300.
First of all, Very and Leap- you two rock something fierce!
I did a review before of the HD+ with 2.1. I gave it a good review, but three things slowly eroded my opinion after time and I returned it.
1- Intermittent stutter that seemed to correlate with on the fly data loads and library sync. This stood out with games.
2- Games loading slow and some REAL sloooooow
3- Accumulative lag. Over a few days, the device got real slow and cache cleaning and restarts were hit and miss to fix it.
Best Buy had it on sale for $20 less this time ($180), so based on folks opinion of CM 10.1, I thought I would test it out again- due to the price and sweet display.
Where 2.1 was a big improvement over 2.0, the improvement from 2.1 to CM 10.1 is fluken' huge!
1- The intermittent stutter is gone along with library sync is gone.
2- Games load a LOT faster. I would not have thought the stock rom would be what was slowing it down, but I tested fresh installs two times with the same sloooow results with 2.1.
3- So far, the accumulated lag has not showed up.
4- Overall device is faster
I also added the "full screen" app to get rid of the navigation bar when I want. More just to test it out, but nice to have an iPad like full display view
Jeepers, it is wild how it is so easy to flash the device with 10.1 and equally wild to have the results of 10.1 with this hardware for the price. Superb so far
Of course, with anything in life comes the negatives:
1- exFAT worked with 2.1, but does not with CM 10.1. I had to transfer, format and recopy back to the sd card with FAT32. I wish there was a simple install fix using the boot card like the unknown sources fix for stock 2.1.
2- Buggy Blitz does not work. I love that game Ditto for Shine Runner. Same company.
3- I have had one instance so far where the device had charged and there was a flashing green light. The device would not wake up with neither home or power button. I had to hold the power down for a while and repeat that a few times. It would get stuck on the spinning boot-up ring. It would freeze up after after "several" seconds. Seems to be working now, but this never happened with stock 2.1 and used the device for a month. Fluke?
4- Quake 3 keeps expecting to see "sdcard" rather than "sdcard0". Touch Quake 1, 2 and Quake Arena mods work fine though. These are examples of games that loaded SLOW with stock 2.1, but are near instant with CM 10.1.
5- The CM 10.1 launcher was jittery and slow. I tried to get used to it, but went back to Nova, which is smooth and fast.
Folks, Nook HD+ plus CM 10.1 equals insane value for the price!
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1- exFAT worked with 2.1, but does not with CM 10.1. I had to transfer, format and recopy back to the sd card with FAT32. I wish there was a simple install fix using the boot card like the unknown sources fix for stock 2.1.
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there's 3rd party zip you can flash that restores it somewhat..
I also plan to look into this eventually and use texera fat module from the stock rom.
2- Buggy Blitz does not work. I love that game
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That seems to be their bug related to new sgx drivers. Same crash happens on Kindle fire, for example. Nothing I can presently do about it.
3- I have had one instance so far where the device had charged and there was a flashing green light. The device would not wake up with neither home or power button. I had to hold the power down for a while and repeat that a few times. It would get stuck on the spinning boot-up ring. It would freeze up after after "several" seconds. Seems to be working now, but this never happened with stock 2.1 and used the device for a month. Fluke?
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Not sore about not waking up - never saw that. But rare boot problems will be fixed in next release. (esp. those that produce garbage on screen).
Folks, Nook HD+ plus CM 10.1 equals insane value for the price!
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Still no camera, so it cannot serve as full TP replacement
No problem on the games not working, since works on my Excite 7.7 and S3!
Exfat and NTFS would be nice, down the road!
Thanks!
I think B&N could have done much better with this hardware if they hired someone like verygreen in the first place...
I still don't think this is a very good gaming device, though, especially for 3D.
But the screen is amazing and got me really spoiled. Now I look at Nexus 7 and feel the display is too cheap and low in quality. Comparing it with the TP in my opinion is a bit of an apple to orange comparison as it is mainly a media consumption device while TP's display quality is even worse than Nexus 7.
Someone was complaining the Nook being slow and laggy vs a $499 Galaxy Note 10.1 with 2GB ram, quad core and much lower resolution. That is just unfair. But I guess people are entitled to their opinions.
Honestly I would not have bought this without seeing the CM10 and CM10.1 ports in progress. B&N really owes verygreen a commission. I like this combo so much that I hardly touch my Nexus 7 now.
BTW, donation sent.
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Comparing it with the TP in my opinion is a bit of an apple to orange comparison as it is mainly a media consumption device while TP's display quality is even worse than Nexus 7.
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While I somewhat agree here, in reality I distributed Touchpads to my relative and they use them for things like Skype.
Nook, having no camera, cannot replace them and would be useless for such purposes.
I agree that the Nook has deficiencies (proprietary ports are a downer). When it comes to cheap toys we pick our poison, eg Nexus w/ no SD slot. If I want a cam or HDMI, there are a flood of cheap 7" tabs that have both, but none of them has a really great 1080p screen in an IMO perfect size and weight for one-handed use. I don't see any tablet with comparable display quality under $400.
Display quality aside, as a reader my preference is for a 4:3 aspect, since I use the tab mostly in portrait mode. But outside of the iPads, most Android tabs hewed to 16:10, which makes the display smaller than their diagonal size would indicate. The HD+ is the only one to eschew the norm in going with 3:2. That's actually better than 4:3, because the present Android UI takes off a couple slices at top and bottom, so the remaining space comes out pretty close to 4:3.
Using the dpi calculator here,
http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
The 9" HD+ screen has a portrait width of 4.99". The 8.9" KF HD's is 4.72", or 0.27" smaller and not just 0.1" shorter diagonal. For tablet display size, every fraction of an inch is a big deal when you're squeezing a whole web page into portrait.
Some other display portrait widths, which I view as the tablet's true size measurement:
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iPad Mini 4.71"
Nexus 7 3.71"
Galaxy Note 8 4.24"
Nexus 10 5.3"
iPad 5.82"
Oh yeah, e.mote: Thanks for the "dummies" thread!
True on the lack of camera, but I got it for books, comics (more than books) and games (mainly emulators). There are a few games that my Excite 7.7 plays smoother, but most play the same and game emulators like MAME and N64 are faster on the Nook HD+. Also, CM 10.1 closed the gap on the 3D games that are smoother on the Excite 7.7. GTA is a good example. It plays smooth now, where with 2.1, it did not. Asphalt 7 though is an example that plays smoother on the Excite. Asphalt 7 though is now very playable on the Nook HD+. The TF700 also struggles with some 3D games, BTW.
For game emulators. this thing rocks. $180 for a great display and plays emulators better than any other Android I have used- including the S4 and its quad Qualcomm. Bluetooth game pads work fine and no response lag noted so far and fits the iCade
Sad that we get the stock firmware we get when folks here do a better job for user experience. I appreciate the Nook was designed to be mainly a reader, but their premise was also part of their undoing and the convention of poor stock firmware goes way beyond the Nook.
>Thanks for the "dummies" thread!
I actually wrote that for myself, since I have a stack of HD+'s here that I'm retrofitting to pass along to the family. Credit where it is due, it's all a rehash of what leapinlar has written, but just a bit more digestible. And of course to verygreen that made this all possible.
Glad to hear Nook is good for games. I'm not a gamer, but other peeps in the household would be appreciative. Any good guides for emulators you can point to? How about some strategy/tactical games? I liked Call of Cthulhu and Rebuild.
BTW, little known factoid: The Nook's serial # is printed on the inside of the SD slot's rubber flap. I found that out when returning a HD+ for uneven backlighting.
>I appreciate the Nook was designed to be mainly a reader, but their premise was also part of their undoing and the convention of poor stock firmware goes way beyond the Nook.
I view it as a good-thing-bad-thing situation. If B&N had made a great Android tab, it wouldn't be holding a firesale to clear out the Nooks, and we wouldn't be here yakking away. So yes, I'm kinda glad the HD's didn't sell well (until now).
Very ironic.
As far as emulator guides, there is a very good one over at Phandroid forums. It is in the Android game forum.
This tablet is an old school gaming, comic reading, web and Flash slinging bargain.
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Very ironic.
As far as emulator guides, there is a very good one over at Phandroid forums. It is in the Android game forum.
This tablet is an old school gaming, comic reading, web and Flash slinging bargain.
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Totally agree. What controller do you use for the emu, though?
I found it extremely difficult to trigger complex moves (in games that require those) using just touch control..... I'm sure it would not be an issue for games that do not require those.
I use a generic Android controller from Gamestop, two Nyko Android pads and iCade. All work fine.
I found another game that worked with 2.1 but not with CM. NBA 2013. Another of my favorites. What are the odds of that? It loads to the point of showing the team logos at start up and then crashes.
Also, most games like NFSMW that took a long time to load up with 2 .1 now load fast like other tablets. The only exception found so far is Asphalt 7. It still loads crazy slow. About two minutes or more per track. Should take about ten seconds. The London level just took over two minutes. Almost three.
The game plays good though. Much smoother (no stutter) than 2.1, but that is the case for all games so far. Odd how Asphalt 7 seems the only slow load hold out. I have tested a ton. A7 appears to be an anomaly.
CM 10.1 BTW also confirms to me the main stutter was not the gpu, but the stock rom. As per Anandtech, the 4470 is still a capable chipset.
I also compared A7 on the GS3. They appear to play very similarly as far as smoothness. GS3 might be a tad smoother, but does not stand out. The GS3 plays all of my games smooth, but the Nook smacks it down as far as MAME. 4470 appears to be a great emulator chipset.
I figured out why a few games do not work. Quake 3 need the files on the SD card and looks like NBA 2013 is trying to run the game from there too. It installs to internal, but installs a directory also in the SD with no files. I am going to move it to the SD and see what happens.
Update. Looks like ports like Quake 3 work fine, but commercial games do not work when moving the files.