Hi. I know that it is a noob question, but I am wondering why JB builds are so laggy. They should be smooth. I don't mean performance, because that one is great, but overall interface is "heavy" and laggy. Eg. statusbar line (this one we slide up and down), switching windows etc. Scrolling is great so why these stuff aren't so? And MIUI Jellybean: I know MIUI as the smoothiest roms, but JB edition is a nightmare. I understand that these are early builds, but not so early :/
Did you tried the NativeSD releases or the NAND ones? Which class does your SD Card have?
I've tried both of them. My SDs are 4class and 2class, which 2class (about 18MB/s read in Low Level Benchmark in Flash Memory Toolkit, and about 1.5ms access time) is better than 4class, I think 4c is just dead. And transffers and I/O is perfect, but animations are sharp, like the GPU was weak, but it shouldn't be SO weak...
LordYuuki said:
Did you tried the NativeSD releases or the NAND ones? Which class does your SD Card have?
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I agree with him, and it's not a matter of NativeSD or NAND. Jelly Bean just doesn't feel as smooth as Ice Cream Sandwich, even though it has hardware acceleration. That's why I'm sticking to ICS atm.
i really dont know what yall use your phones for but i use the roms in my sig
and they are smooth and fast for my everyday use
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i really dont know what yall use your phones for but i use the roms in my sig
and they are smooth and fast for my everyday use
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These ones are really smooth... Thanks!
Well admittedly I only have experience with one JB ROM on my HD2 (the one in my signature), doesn't feel laggy at all to me, in fact it's pretty zippy, and consistently so. I have OS on NAND and programs on ext (class 10 SD card). It's a rather mature version. I read that MIUI is also no slouch. Could you possibly have had a faulty install?
I have the some problem with the lag. I use kovjanos' PA ROM with the pure PA framework. Everything is smooth and fast except for the window and framework animations. When I open an app the opening animation lags and if I pull down the notification drawer, it seems like the drag bar "stays behind my finger" so it follows my movement really slow. The usual display-off animation doesn't work either. I tried different 4.1.2 ROMs and had the same thing everywhere, no matter NAND, NativeSD, or DataOnExt.
I tried the evervolv 4.2.1 as well and it works perfectly, all animations are smooth without any lag.
I think it might depend on whether the ROM is compiled from source and with which device tree, or whether it is ported from an other device and which ROM was used as a base.
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Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!
Try Darkstone's SD-RAM build, it's really fast ...
I do know 2-3 SD-Roms which are very fast, but i want to get rid of WinMo, so i need another solution
SD-Roms are still "Workarounds till NAND"
Please post in the right section.
Darkstone's build seems to be the fastest at the moment, closely followed by Markinux's builds. MDJ's gingerbread builds are getting there. I find if I set the governor to OnDemand and OC to 1300MHZ, most NAND builds become as fast, if not faster than my benchmark Desire HD.
I was skeptical about NAND at first, I thought "what's the point"
BUT, all I can now is WOW! WOW!
NAND is 4 million times faster, smoother a a lot more than SD builds
matt
infernalshade said:
Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!
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Joined in 2008, 269 posts, yet you clearly post a question in the developers section, ignoring the Android question section
BTW, it depends if you want a sense build, non-sense, gingerbread, desire, desireHD etc etc. Each has it's positives and negatives. The slowest of the lot are the DesireHD builds.
Thx for your answers!
Sry for wrong-Posting the Thread, well i'm a little bit tired
Well... I do not need Sense, and i do not need Gingerbread, all i want is a fast Android build
infernalshade said:
Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!
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Your given example NAND is experiment, testing NAND, Can't compare to the rest.
So is there no NAND availible for daily use?
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Try Darkstone's SD-RAM build, it's really fast ...
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I think you mean, stupid fast, I was using this before I went NAND, this was definitely faster than NAND builds.
This ROM is also stable enough for everyday use. If you are using Sd though, just install-backup-change-restore, is easy with titanium backup, just try a few ROMS until you find the one you like.
But i think NAND Roms do have a better battery life, right?
I've been using my NAND build on a regular basis since it came out. Haven't been back to WinMo since NAND was first offered. For me the fastest NAND ROMs are TyTung which I would rank as best as far as speed but its completely Stock. I've also tried cmylxgo and his is pretty speedy as time goes by...I'm actually using that one right now and its been running for 4 days with no issues. Got like 60+ apps installed and using ADW Launcher with a theme and loving this build. Might go back to Gingerbread tho after another week cause I have a problem staying on one ROM too long lol...
Haven't tried MDJ ROM but Im using his kernel and no data issues and market downloads are insane...may try his GB build out...
Also heard DarkStone build is crazy fast which is a plus too...
Have been using my HD2 1024 for past 3 days and love it. ATM have miui but its okay, dont like interface much. Tho I must say, every nand rom was laggy for me for first 5 minutes for sure. Then once you set it up, fix things up, do few restarts, the phone gets super fast. Like really fast. Unless you have ****ty laggy hd rom.
atm trying darkside rom
i am using mdj revolution hd sd version for over a month now.daily usage that is.i have a great battery life and its fast.i think its one of the best sd version.like the animations,recommend it.
Just installed darkside 5 mins ago. No lag at all so far.
:O Got rating of 4000 WTF :O
Thats on darkside nand rom
Hm...It seems everyone prefers another Build (and technique)
I've tried to setup setCPU on my current build... looks smoother till now, maybe i dont need to update that fast... maybe i'll wait for "the ultimate super fast and stable NAND ROM"
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:O Got rating of 4000 WTF :O
Thats on darkside nand rom
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#1
Thats not darkside, it's Darkstone1337.
#2
The build is called SuperNAND.
#3
It's an amazing testiment to the advancement of NAND/RAM developments by Darkstone1337, but not stable enough (yet) for daily use.
#4
To the original poster [infernalshade], I would recomend reading some posts 1st
That's where you're going to find the most indepth information on what's working & what's not in a certain build. Before you post, search search seach & search again. Most times it just takes some quick skimming thru all the pages to get the jist of things.
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Try it out. Sometimes stuff just works better on different phones, call it 'The Ghost In The Machine" or whatever. Besides that, who cares what anyone says if it doesn't suit you and your end needs
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Happy Flashing !
infernalshade said:
Hi there,
Currently i'm using a SD-Android of MDJ.
Because of laggy animations i would like to update my current Build.
I've read through several NAND-Threads and nearly everyone says "fast fast fast".
This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777 NAND looks very interesting, but after looking the Youtube-Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ab0ztDxibo ) there i'm a little bit confused... The UI looks nice, but it's lagging as hell there! - OK, it's not like "Ok, i started the app, now i can make a coffee", but the animations arent smooth... There are SD-ROMS availible which are smoother!
Is this behavior normal?
Is there any fast Android ROM, SD, NAND, RAM, etc?!
The only thing i want is a Build, which is:
- nearly stable
- fast
- small (to maximise user storage, but i dont need that much, just a few apps and Mails!)
- without "Not working in this build"-Parts
Greetz and thx for helping!
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Most of the ROMs I've used are faster than SD builds. The Gingerbread ROMs are fast. The Gauner DesireHD is as fast as the SD builds of the same version of Android. But it does require getting through setup and a few reboots thereafter to smooth out to WP7 smoothness. However, every DesireHD ROM I've tried boots up super slow. That is where the SD builds excel above the ROMs.
its cm7.theres no stable build for cm7. its still laggy and buggy. cm6 will be less laggy and glitchy
What is the best NativeSD android rom I can use for games ? Currently I'm with Dorimanx high end rom, android 2.3.7 but performance is not good. NFS Most wanted lags badly.
There is no "best rom". And personally I didn't see any difference between NativeSD and NAND. So basically, use any HWA enabled ROM and you should be good to go.
Any ICS or JB rom because of hardware acceleration.
I recommend tytung's cm9 rom, you will gain much in gaming performance, but don't expect any miracles in really demanding games such as new NFS.
nontryer said:
Any ICS or JB rom because of hardware acceleration.
I recommend tytung's cm9 rom, you will gain much in gaming performance, but don't expect any miracles in really demanding games such as new NFS.
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Is this the correct rom you were referring to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1681906 ? I installed the rom but overall performance - swyping through menus, launching apps and etc. seems slower than dormanx gingerbread. Is this common with ICS roms ? I still haven't tried games.
EmZvr said:
Is this the correct rom you were referring to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1681906 ? I installed the rom but overall performance - swyping through menus, launching apps and etc. seems slower than dormanx gingerbread. Is this common with ICS roms ? I still haven't tried games.
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He means this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860
EmZvr said:
Is this the correct rom you were referring to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1681906 ? I installed the rom but overall performance - swyping through menus, launching apps and etc. seems slower than dormanx gingerbread. Is this common with ICS roms ? I still haven't tried games.
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Marvlesz above me has pointed you to the right direction.
As for the ROM you installed, i don't know, never tried it. You could try both of them to see which one fits you better.
Overall performance between GB and ICS should be pretty close, maybe a bit better on GB builds because it's less resource hungry, but on ICS you get some nice stuff like much better gaming performance, smoother web browsing + more.
Installed it. NFS Most Wanted works full speed now or at least a lot better than gingerbread. But again overall performance is not so good. More waiting for menus to show. Not so fluid. Dormanx rom is more fluid and faster with immediate loadings of every app. isn't it there a similar rom to dorimanx with hwa
There is no HWA on Gingerbread, we are very sorry for your disappointment. However, you may like to have a look at our selection of new devices, which have the fluidity of Gingerbread AND the performance of ICS/Jb.
^That's a joke.
Oh well, no games for me then I'm sure I wouldn't play them anyway but I like everything to work properly on my phone. I reverted back to dorimanx rom, thanks for the advices.
I will look at your selection of new devices probably when Ubuntu for phones is out :
Yeah, I personally also find ICS and above slower for everyday use than GB but I just love web browsing with HWA and the Holo UI of JB (not to mention Google Now) so I don't think I'm going to go back to GB any time soon.
Hey XDA,
Alright first things first, this ISNT a ' which rom is the best ' thread.
I wanna know which android version is more stable for everyday use. I know some people say gingerbread is the fastest and absolute best BUT i want to know which out of Jelly Bean and Ice Cream Sandwich is better. Is Jelly Bean fast? Bugfree? Comparable to GB on the HD2?
Thanks in advance
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i want to know which out of Jelly Bean and Ice Cream Sandwich is better.
Is Jelly Bean fast? Bugfree?
Comparable to GB on the HD2?
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In my opinion, ICS is as smooth as Android can be on our old HD2, it is also fast. But sometimes it just hangs, like, when doing heavy stuff it can freeze (obviously).
On the other hand, jelly bean varies depending on which ROM and which version (still, based on my opinion).
As for version 4.1, it wasn't as smooth as ICS used to be (for me), it was fast, but not smooth, and yes, we do have HWA on JB and ICS.
For version 4.2, I had two experiences (which I couldn't find a reasonable explanation for).
I tried two ROMs: tytung's NexusHD2 and seaman2k's SeaJB.
I had an opposite experience from both. tytung's was fast, but not smooth, whereas seaman's was smooth but not fast. I know that that might not make much sense, so let me explain.
On seaman's, pulling down the notification's bar seems smooth and fluid, but on tytung's it kind of stutters and lags. But on tytung's, apps performance and launching speed was fast, on seaman's it was relatively slower.
I think the difference is because that seaman's is a port, while tytung's is built from source.
If you want to know whether a version is bugfree or not, just check some of the roms available. Roms with the same version are likely to have the same problem (if any). ICS and JB 4.1 are bug free as far as I know, but JB 4.2 has some issues with the camera (although I faced non, since I use a 3rd party cam app, and I don't record videos).
On GB, you might get the smooth and responsiveness, your device will also be stable (i.e. no sudden hangs or freezes like in ICS or JB) but since GB doesn't have HWA, it won't perform as good as in JB or ICS. I mean web browsing, running apps and playing games.
This was all based on my opinion. Feel free to do your own research.
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Thanks man for very details. I tried many roms before. I'm using JB 4.2.2 now but still want to come back GB. With clean rom everything is smooth, fast until install some apps.
Do you try MIUI? It's very good but get heavy battery drain with my phone & don't have soft button. I love MIUI theme, icons, call recorder, file manager, ...
This is my opinion.
Thanks.
Sorry for asking the same things over and over again, but I went through lots of rom's and still have no idea. I got 16 gb class 4 sd card. Which of available roms will be best with performance, look, gaming etc ?
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Sorry for asking the same things over and over again, but I went through lots of rom's and still have no idea. I got 16 gb class 4 sd card. Which of available roms will be best with performance, look, gaming etc ?
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There is no 'best ROM' or 'best OS', different people like different things. In terms of gaming and browser performance though, ICS and above is far superior to GB as it has HWA. Try some ROMs out and find one you like.
Yeah, but I meant for example: is pixeldroid going to work on class 4 card with cronmod like paranoidandroid fully installed on NAND ? I tested lot of roms on DataonExt but it was laggy, on paranoid ICS I have decent performance, but in some games artifacts and other laggy stuff.
Try sense 4.0, its really smooth, but dont use 4.1 still very alpha
Hi everyone, as a mod-addicted user i like to flash all kind of roms, even the strangest ones. recently i fuond that our Nexus S is going to die, cause of old hardware and new softwares require lot more RAM and GPUs. I'm currently using a 4.2.2 ROM, and i'm having a very good time, but don't you think that on old GB roms everything was more smooth and fast, with the best performances and apps were faster than now? I know that is because all was old, and NS was developed under that artictecture, but i have a question to you: why do we all want the newest rom, with the newest things that use a lot of battery/ram/gpu, instead of keeping GB roms that were a lot smoother and fast? GB roms are as secure as JB ones, and a lot of apps run well on both OS.
This post is not a critic, and i'm sorry for the mistakes, i'm not english.
its an old system, it looks outdated and browsing experience and overal smoothness is much worse than JB...simple as that. GB has better memory management yes, sometimes my phone struggles with lack of ram on JB, but its still worth over GB for the reasons i stated i think...
Well, i personally like CM7 more than CM10 because it feels to me much more customizable than CM10. The themes look way better (especially Cyanbread) and it is also faster. To conclude, i prefer GB over JB.
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Well, i personally like CM7 more than CM10 because it feels to me much more customizable than CM10. The themes look way better (especially Cyanbread) and it is also faster. To conclude, i prefer GB over JB.
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Agreed CM7 was a true upgrade over stock...the ustom lookscreens are just a example but now it seames that CM only has powerwidgets over the stock and a fiew tweaks nothing else, it's to bad really but we kinda have to live with it, thank God we have the best and most balanced single core in the Android world!
Just try a good 4.2.2 rom and you will see the difference...try slim bean build 6 or jellyshot latest build
migueldbr said:
Just try a good 4.2.2 rom and you will see the difference...try slim bean build 6 or jellyshot latest build
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they are really good, but for me the ui sounds and incall sounds are always to low in 4.2 roms, they are considerably louder in roms up to and including 4.1.2, for me CM10, or hellyBean 4.1, or bb6 are enough, i miss the quick toogles and thats abou it, wel maybe the lookscren bold writing
migueldbr said:
its an old system, it looks outdated and browsing experience and overal smoothness is much worse than JB...simple as that. GB has better memory management yes, sometimes my phone struggles with lack of ram on JB, but its still worth over GB for the reasons i stated i think...
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It can be old as you want, but a lot of smartphones are now using it. I prefer JB for the examples you gave, but we are talking about android: you can customize all you want, and gb can become JB with some graphical hacks
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It can be old as you want, but a lot of smartphones are now using it. I prefer JB for the examples you gave, but we are talking about android: you can customize all you want, and gb can become JB with some graphical hacks
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its not the same...there are some really good mods but involve changing systemui and other stuff and sometimes create more problems. Anyway, there are no mods for gb to have JB smoothness. A good solution for JB when it comes to lack of RAM is to use a high bigmem kernel and greenify. Its awesome, does not let apps that you dont need start up unless you manually start them(leaving free ram to apps that matter).
I really see no advantadge in going back to GB imo...You just have to know how to tweak JB to get the most of it.
yeah a lot of devices are using GB, but i bet most of them are not by choice of the user
2.3.x Roms still very good, and loved many of them. When moving to JB there are lots of under the hood changes and many optimizations which make things better. As well as many media improvements. Which allows better apps and better user experience, once I learned all the new features of 4.1 I just couldn't go back to 2.3. I have found that 4.2 Roms preform better than their 4.1 predecessors on my i9020T as well as the many UI improvements. Yes memory is an issue, but I turn on a 1GB swapfile when I'm using memory intensive apps then turn it off when done so I don't wear out storage and it helps greatly.
In the last days of using my Nexus S i got rid of the sudden reboots which i had with all custom roms more or less and with the stock ICS and JB roms too. I think my Nexus was a weak build who barely matched the quality requirements. So i looked out for some older roms and found Oxygen 2.3.7 with great reputation.
Flashed that and: wow. I had a amazingly fast and stable cellphone again. No comparison to any ICS or JB build. I will never go back to a newer rom, as long as stability and quickness are asked.
My regards
Personally, i find 4.1.2 roms very smoother than 4.2.x, and i tried maybe a lot of them. Except some widgets and UI improvements (little), i will continue using 4.1.2 roms with better battery life and the smoothest velocity