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ICS (aurora) vs stock gingerbread

So besides extra apps and features... would there be any changes performance wise.
Could i expect any optimizations for filesystem (tho ginger should be ext4 already), better multitasking / cpu and ram management. Or would ICS actually use more system resources.
So if i were not to upgrade cuz its the latest and to "go with the flow" .. .what real advantages would i have on u8800 with ICS over ginger.
And yes i know the release isnt perfect yet (but lets assume the bugs were fixed).
Or its just ...for the sake of having a new version..

The battery on ICS lasts for much more time that on GB. The performance looks nice, very fast, the wifi its faster than GB. And of course, the design of ICS its amazing!

Battery? on idle/low load or ... eg when gaming (high cpu load etc)?
But is the performance overall (gaming mainly - aint gonna notice much with most apps anyways).
Also hows the ICS rooting (the aurora one) - already rooted?
Any features for the gaming side (like better opengl etc).
ofc x5 sets hardware limits (unless even ginger doesn't unlock its full potential).

I say about battery when I stay many hours with wifi on surfing, downloading, etc etc..
I didnt tested with games...
I think I have my ICS rooted, but know you ask, i will confirm that LOL

dustofdeath said:
Also hows the ICS rooting (the aurora one) - already rooted?
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It's installed on top of rooted oficial 2.3.5 so yes, ofc it is rooted

Performance is considerably better than stock 2.3, about par with MIUI 2.3. Game performance is excellent, however beware that some games may not work because they're just not compatable with ICS. There are also apps not compatable with ICS, so if there's anything you desperately want to use with ICS, check the developer's info first.

If all bugs were fixed, it'd be AMAZING! Performance is good, everything works awesomely. My only problem is the random crashes/reboots, which is, as said, a bug, so if that was fixed I'd be happy

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It's installed on top of rooted oficial 2.3.5 so yes, ofc it is rooted
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I don't think it's exactly installed on top of 2.3.5. You need to do the official upgrade first to update the file system to ext4 (I think...)

I think you have to try it to see for your self.
I was afraid that changing to ics would make my phone not as good or fast as te official... but believe me, it's like I have a completely new phone.
It's much faster in every thing and the battery lasts much more that GB.
Wireless speed is faster but ping is higher.
Go for Aurora mod and you wont regret it.
With the clockworkmod it's very easy to change back to official 2.3.5 anyway.

Performance in ICS/CM9 roms

I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
cheers

incorrect.

admanirv said:
I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
cheers
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What? ICS is more powerfull than any blur rom...

way better than GB bro

I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me

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I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me
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video playback (HW decoding) and flash player are what's holding me back.
On the rom that you tried, have you tried those functions?

Honestly, if I didn't have a lapdock I would be using jokesax build as my daily driver. It does everything I need it to do smoothly. Only problem is when you plug it in the lapdock, it's just an android tablet with no touch screen. Using that trackpad as your finger is not fun. Otherwise, the CM9 stuff is great.

Okay so the tegra drivers for ICS are present in the CM9 roms or is it some bespoke driver?
H/W decoding and camcorder are what keep me away from the ICS roms atm.
Thanks

Any custom can be good!
Correct me if Im wrong but as far as I can tell the big differences between ICS and GB are seen in stock roms.
And Custom Rom is USUALLY zipaligned, deodexed, converted to ext4.
Sometimes Developers (like notorious) build awesome mix of both, and put in they're own unique tweeks. Notorious's Neutrino 2.6 for instance runs graphics entirely from the GPU among some other tweeks, and you WILL NOT find a smoother faster rom. WILL NOT!
Now the only real ways we have to test out phones "performance" is with benchmarking apps like antutu and quandrant. But honestly their outcomes tend to vary so much, its hard to go by what they say.
But just so everyone knows, my best bechmark "score" on antutu was 7047 with cm7 oc'd to 1.45 (which is gingerbread by the way)
Ive benched every rom from all of Jokers cm9's, to every miui (GB&ICS) as well as all the CM7's and builds based off them (neutrino, morrisoftgen). Even BLUR based roms like dorians redpill and The Darkside by nottich.
All im saying is that I think both builds have the potential to be equally as powerful as the eachother.
PLEASE if Im completly wrong about ANY of this I would like to be corrected, but please make sure its with CORRECT information, lol.
Thanks!

CM9 anTuTu
Also, the best score on antutu ive gotten on any one of the cm9 jokersax builds with faux 1.45 oc kernel was about 6900!
So, so far Custom GB roms are best so far according to benches

I think the gb rooms perform a little bit faster...using cm9 4.0 jokersax and its laggy opening my app drawer and little laggy moments too..cm7 was a little bit faster though imo
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the ICS ROMs still aren't very good with 2D hardware acceleration. And that means 2D is still gonna be slow and jerky.

ICS
I am running with jokersax ics rom, it is great, and the performance is better than the OTA 2.3.5 from Bell.. it took a bit to get the bootloader unlocked, etc.. it seems like I flash roms daily now... Unfortunately, there are still bugs... the most utd rom does not seem to take pictures properly, causes the app to lock up, and the video cam is no usable at all.. :\ I have reverted back to the 0.3.3 rom, and it will take pictures... as far as 2d/3d games are concerned, I play world of goo, hot pursuit, angry birds space and they all run great...
Motorola has ics update in progress as we speak, and they should be rolling out in a couple months, which means any lost code or functions that are n/a now will be rippable from the official... so either way, you can use the ota now or get a taste of ICS with a few problems...
flashing only takes about 5 minutes anyhoo, so its not like you can't switch back and forth....
I find ICS to perform a little quicker, my 2 cents.

Performance
Personally I have used Jokersax's and turl's builds (using turl now, but downloading jokersax 0.4.4 now). Both have really very good performance, especially compared to stock, I would say they outperform it by a long way, but yea, 2D graphics aren't brilliant and the camera was borked (although jokersax has apparently fixed that). I would say definitely change to 4.0.4 just because it is the latest android version and everything about it is soo nice, no blur to bog it down and while I am sure that many 2.3 roms can perform better, sometimes, it is best to choose user experience.

im on turl's latest and find scrolling to be so utterly smooth on ics easily replicating the smooth scrolling experiene on iphone whereas GB always had that slight jittery scroll which always annoyed me. I use apex launcher which i find to be smoother than trebuchet and with that all in all id say performance seems smoother than back on GB

I'm using CM9 both on HPtouchpad and Atrix.
And I can say that Atrix's 2d acceleration is not perfect yet.
It is almost perfect when we scroll lists.
But not when we scroll home screen with wallpaper scroll option.
And some people will think that browser's acceleration is perfect,
but it is not yet when it comes to complex web page.
It can be even more faster. I found that when I used cm9 on hp touchpad.
(Of course, turl and jokersax are doing great job. We have to blame motorola and nvidia )

I find cm9 to work very well, although there are the browser issues mentioned elsewhere.
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GB 2.3.x vs ICS 4.0.X ?

Hello my fellow flashing friends!
Is it me or is ICS a bit overrated ? I tried several ICS roms, and apart from the buggy (video)camera still I admit it's not bad, in fact yes, it's quite good and very smooth. But can anyone give me one good reason why a good ICS rom would be BETTER than a good GB ROM ?
Except for being able to "say" that you are running the latest android version, and a few other transition effects in ICS (ok I know there's a bit more to it but you know what I mean) I don't see what would make ICS the better choice over GB.
So far GB can do everything what ICS can do afaik, in the end probably even better (especially for us DHD users). So tell me your motivations why you would run an ICS rom and not a GB one ?
There are many excellent GB roms such as ARHD, CoreDroid, Runnymede, MIUI roms, CM7, etc that in the end imo outclass the ICS ones a bit still..
The only reason I can think of I'd flash an ICS rom for some while is to have something "different" again, but in the end I seem to get back to the good ol' GB everytime..
So tell me your motivations why you'd go for ICS rom or why for GB rom!

Lol, ICS hasn't even come officially to the DHD so you can't compare official GB and ported ICS, GB is going to be extinct once ICS comes offcially
ARHD for example, is official GB and that's way more smoother and performance/batterywise. So GB for now, ICS when it comes offcially

ICS roms are fully functional on DHD already apart of videocamera ofcourse.. But ok even if we take i.e. a Galaxy Nexus then, what's better about it than the DHD with a smooth GB rom ?
It's just something I am trying to figure out.

I would say jz go for ics. If you doesn't mind the camera, or you've boot manager, you would jz go for ics sense 4 rom, den install a stock ics rom in yr sd card in case u need camera, this is what I do right now.

Bert2662 said:
I would say jz go for ics. If you doesn't mind the camera, or you've boot manager, you would jz go for ics sense 4 rom, den install a stock ics rom in yr sd card in case u need camera, this is what I do right now.
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Right now using the CM9 rom ported by jcmaddox, with blackened ice theme + htc keyboard + working camera and videocamera (but this one lags a bit in 720p), feels pretty nice. But I'm a Sense addict so from the moment a Sense 4.0 rom is available with working camera I will go for that one probably.

ICS = new, nuff said.

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ICS = new, nuff said.
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Because new is always better ? No, not quite imfo.

I'm using Primo S just now and I love it for the performance. Nenamark scores have tripled. I know benchmarks don't mean that much but games and the phone overall feels much snappier. Also, it's the first ROM that I can just leave wifi and mobile data switched on without running out of charge halfway through the day. overall, it's the best DHD Sense experience I've had so far.
Maxy
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MaxyDad said:
I'm using Primo S just now and I love it for the performance. Nenamark scores have tripled. I know benchmarks don't mean that much but games and the phone overall feels much snappier. Also, it's the first ROM that I can just leave wifi and mobile data switched on without running out of charge halfway through the day. overall, it's the best DHD Sense experience I've had so far.
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What about stock browser (by that, I mean all apps that use the stock browser core too)? I find that it's sluggish compared to GB. In fact, the reviews are in for One V's (Primo S) and they all point to a sluggish web browsing experience with some even saying it locks up for 30 seconds before catching up with processing. I do find that the stock browser in GB is faster than ICS. My wife's SGS2 on the other hand still retains the speed and smoothness of GB stock browser when the phone was upgraded to ICS. I have a feeling HTC has basically relied on AOSP for their webkit whereas Samsung's added their own hw accelerated code to speed it up.
Reason I'm rather particular about the webkit is because a lot of apps use it (e.g. Facebook app) even if you don't use the stock browser.

if you just have to flash a rom as of today... gingerbread big time!
However, many ics innovations (and honeycomb) are developers side. ics brought many new cool features for developing much better applications. And if it's true that iOS fortune is its apps quality and variety, then android is moving in the right direction, giving developers a much better, and appealing environment to work in. So in a not too far future you'll need ics as minimum requirement to run the most cool applications on your android. And they are gonna kick ass, making of your phone an awesome device. till that day you can always stick with gingerbread . do not forget that gingerbread took over froyo as most used android operating system only in december (2011) so most of apps have been developed with that in mind so far. (backward compatibility etc...)
cheers!

personally, since switching to pics from GB, I couldn't imagine running another GB from as my daily. While ICS might not do anything particularly better than GB on the DHD or Inspire, it certainly seems to do all of the things nicer. Simple little features like folders and recent apps windows may not seem that important if you haven't used them, but once you get used to the interface, ICS aosp experience blows GB's out of the water in my opinion. Now if we're talking sense or some other manufacturer overlay it may not be the same, but as far as stock goes I LOVE ics
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What about stock browser (by that, I mean all apps that use the stock browser core too)? I find that it's sluggish compared to GB. In fact, the reviews are in for One V's (Primo S) and they all point to a sluggish web browsing experience with some even saying it locks up for 30 seconds before catching up with processing. I do find that the stock browser in GB is faster than ICS. My wife's SGS2 on the other hand still retains the speed and smoothness of GB stock browser when the phone was upgraded to ICS. I have a feeling HTC has basically relied on AOSP for their webkit whereas Samsung's added their own hw accelerated code to speed it up.
Reason I'm rather particular about the webkit is because a lot of apps use it (e.g. Facebook app) even if you don't use the stock browser.
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I think you're probably right about the stock browser. It isn't quite as responsive as the GB one, but it seems to add some nice functionality. The main shortcoming for me though (and I say this quietly) is the camera, or lack thereof. Will get fixed in due course.
Overall, ICS is actually better than I expected.
Maxy
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I was an avid user of ARHD before I switched to IceColdSandwich, now I can't turn back. ICS is smoother, faster and has essentially doubled my battery usage from barely a day to two full days.
I tried the One X ports but they have a terrible battery life and lack AOKP's features. ATM I couldn't be happier with ICS.

ICS is great but then there are a few limitation when you try to get ICS on our phone. ICS is fast, smooth and even better with battery but then a GB ROM would probably give you more functional phone.
Basically depends upon whether you can live without those few features. I f you can ICS should be the way to go. There's a slight catch though DHD isnt really the latest of all devices, so devs would concentrate on the development of ROMs for the new devices. (Lord and Twisted both have moved out DHD ICS development scene but there are still a few great devs working), so regular updates would come less often.
and GB is mature and stable (with almost no updates required).

Yeah the stability is a big issue for me as well, my GPS was working perfectly til I switched over to Ice Cold Sandwich on my DHD.
Although I was able to fix it using a patch, I find GB roms have less problems in the internal side of things...
No doubt ICS feels nicer to have on your phone though
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Google Chrome support, folders, smoother, optimized, easier to use. Nuff said

Not to forget HID Support with BT and with Sense

I find that ICS has more to offer feature wise, however I am new to this and haven't had the chance to test many GB ROMs.
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Because new is always better ? No, not quite imfo.
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gimme one reason to choose GB over ICS when sense 4 is fully ported to DHD...

Ics has a lot of new features and is worth it. But i don't see why you made this thread if your shooting down peoples opinions on the matter
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[Q] ICS vs GB for HD2

I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?

g0ldb3rg said:
I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?
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GB is more stable and faster for day-to-day usage, BUT has fewer features, an uglier UI and no HWA (making gaming and web browsing comparatively awful).
ICS has HWA so is best for gaming and web browsing and is still reasonably stable and smooth. I personally would go for ICS because it's just nicer to use, but it's all a matter of opinion and nobody can really tell you which to choose.

Nigeldg said:
GB is more stable and faster for day-to-day usage, BUT has fewer features, an uglier UI and no HWA (making gaming and web browsing comparatively awful).
ICS has HWA so is best for gaming and web browsing and is still reasonably stable and smooth. I personally would go for ICS because it's just nicer to use, but it's all a matter of opinion and nobody can really tell you which to choose.
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That's what i was missing, HWA. I didn't know GB had no HWA. That really helped, thanks a bunch

g0ldb3rg said:
I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?
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Ive used both ICS and GB. Let me tell you, GB seems to be alot better than ICS for day to day use. The 2D games run fine on GB. And the web browsing, although not BLAZING fast like on ICS, is really tolerable. GB on my specific phone seems alot stable than ICS, faster too. Ive been using Typhoon's rom for the past 2 months and its working GREAT so far.
But if the HD2 is your secondary phone, no need to go for GB. Just use ICS
Cheers

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Ive used both ICS and GB. Let me tell you, GB seems to be alot better than ICS for day to day use. The 2D games run fine on GB. And the web browsing, although not BLAZING fast like on ICS, is really tolerable. GB on my specific phone seems alot stable than ICS, faster too. Ive been using Typhoon's rom for the past 2 months and its working GREAT so far.
But if the HD2 is your secondary phone, no need to go for GB. Just use ICS
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I can confirm that. Above all, the data connection is a very little bit more stable under GB. With some effort, but definitely worth to try DataOnExt variants under ICS or JB! If you have time to do that, you can rise your system partition to about 400MBs and have enough space and power to switch to your HD2 as primary phone!
I'm running tytungs NexusHD2-JellyBean-CM10 V1.4a and it works like a charm!
Greetings

I have been using both ICS and GB and to my experience I think GB feels a lot faster and more stable.
Loading a couple of hundreds of SMS messages in ICS for the first time takes ages (while in GB is considerably faster), frequent freezes forcing to take battery out, etc.
On the other hand ICS has more features (HWA, Sound Profiles, Lock Screen Widgets, Quick Settings in Notification, better screen resolution) and I think has better in-call quality than GB.
A word of warning though. The stability and responsiveness depend on the chosen ROM. I personally prefer tytung's ROMS and I usually opt-out for NAND installations (although I have also tried NativeSD version of Jelly Bean with class 10 MicroSD card).
Hope I helped.

GB feels alot faster faster then ICS. and if you dont like the look of GB, try MIUI imo its the best combo for smoothness and stable as stock GB and it looks nice and stylish

Why not keep ingerbread?

Hi everyone, as a mod-addicted user i like to flash all kind of roms, even the strangest ones. recently i fuond that our Nexus S is going to die, cause of old hardware and new softwares require lot more RAM and GPUs. I'm currently using a 4.2.2 ROM, and i'm having a very good time, but don't you think that on old GB roms everything was more smooth and fast, with the best performances and apps were faster than now? I know that is because all was old, and NS was developed under that artictecture, but i have a question to you: why do we all want the newest rom, with the newest things that use a lot of battery/ram/gpu, instead of keeping GB roms that were a lot smoother and fast? GB roms are as secure as JB ones, and a lot of apps run well on both OS.
This post is not a critic, and i'm sorry for the mistakes, i'm not english.

its an old system, it looks outdated and browsing experience and overal smoothness is much worse than JB...simple as that. GB has better memory management yes, sometimes my phone struggles with lack of ram on JB, but its still worth over GB for the reasons i stated i think...

Well, i personally like CM7 more than CM10 because it feels to me much more customizable than CM10. The themes look way better (especially Cyanbread) and it is also faster. To conclude, i prefer GB over JB.
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daniel98 said:
Well, i personally like CM7 more than CM10 because it feels to me much more customizable than CM10. The themes look way better (especially Cyanbread) and it is also faster. To conclude, i prefer GB over JB.
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Agreed CM7 was a true upgrade over stock...the ustom lookscreens are just a example but now it seames that CM only has powerwidgets over the stock and a fiew tweaks nothing else, it's to bad really but we kinda have to live with it, thank God we have the best and most balanced single core in the Android world!

Just try a good 4.2.2 rom and you will see the difference...try slim bean build 6 or jellyshot latest build

migueldbr said:
Just try a good 4.2.2 rom and you will see the difference...try slim bean build 6 or jellyshot latest build
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they are really good, but for me the ui sounds and incall sounds are always to low in 4.2 roms, they are considerably louder in roms up to and including 4.1.2, for me CM10, or hellyBean 4.1, or bb6 are enough, i miss the quick toogles and thats abou it, wel maybe the lookscren bold writing

migueldbr said:
its an old system, it looks outdated and browsing experience and overal smoothness is much worse than JB...simple as that. GB has better memory management yes, sometimes my phone struggles with lack of ram on JB, but its still worth over GB for the reasons i stated i think...
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It can be old as you want, but a lot of smartphones are now using it. I prefer JB for the examples you gave, but we are talking about android: you can customize all you want, and gb can become JB with some graphical hacks

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It can be old as you want, but a lot of smartphones are now using it. I prefer JB for the examples you gave, but we are talking about android: you can customize all you want, and gb can become JB with some graphical hacks
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its not the same...there are some really good mods but involve changing systemui and other stuff and sometimes create more problems. Anyway, there are no mods for gb to have JB smoothness. A good solution for JB when it comes to lack of RAM is to use a high bigmem kernel and greenify. Its awesome, does not let apps that you dont need start up unless you manually start them(leaving free ram to apps that matter).
I really see no advantadge in going back to GB imo...You just have to know how to tweak JB to get the most of it.
yeah a lot of devices are using GB, but i bet most of them are not by choice of the user

2.3.x Roms still very good, and loved many of them. When moving to JB there are lots of under the hood changes and many optimizations which make things better. As well as many media improvements. Which allows better apps and better user experience, once I learned all the new features of 4.1 I just couldn't go back to 2.3. I have found that 4.2 Roms preform better than their 4.1 predecessors on my i9020T as well as the many UI improvements. Yes memory is an issue, but I turn on a 1GB swapfile when I'm using memory intensive apps then turn it off when done so I don't wear out storage and it helps greatly.

In the last days of using my Nexus S i got rid of the sudden reboots which i had with all custom roms more or less and with the stock ICS and JB roms too. I think my Nexus was a weak build who barely matched the quality requirements. So i looked out for some older roms and found Oxygen 2.3.7 with great reputation.
Flashed that and: wow. I had a amazingly fast and stable cellphone again. No comparison to any ICS or JB build. I will never go back to a newer rom, as long as stability and quickness are asked.
My regards

Personally, i find 4.1.2 roms very smoother than 4.2.x, and i tried maybe a lot of them. Except some widgets and UI improvements (little), i will continue using 4.1.2 roms with better battery life and the smoothest velocity